Range Rover [Archive] - Live for Speed

Furiously-Fast

14th March 2009, 11:27

Vogue? C'mon. That's just a bit too... luxury for racing. If there just had to be a RR, let it be more like this Bad boy.:smileypul
http://www.supercars.net/gallery/119513/1034/473140.jpg

Jeep

Lol, For some reason, I saw that coming. I'm guessing that is the best SUV in the world? :x

bbman

14th March 2009, 12:00

:doh: range rover vogue lol

if there would be a SUV in lfs than it should a sporty one like the BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne, Range rover sport, Mercedes ML 530 AMG or the Jeep SRT8.

A sporty SUV is quite an oxymoron, especially those you posted... If you want a powerful, offroad-capable car do it right: Mercedes G... Or the Bowler or various american dirt racing cars/trucks...

piggy501

14th March 2009, 12:21

:doh: range rover vogue lol

if there would be a SUV in lfs than it should a sporty one like the BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne, Range rover sport, Mercedes ML 530 AMG or the

They're all for the school run. Get this: http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/1995-land-rover-defender-130-station-wagon-353.jpg

Or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfcQ-7hIuOQ (Old Top Gear FTW!!!! :thumbsup::thumb::):D:tilt::nod::razz:)

BigPeBe

14th March 2009, 12:39

What. Why. SUVs are one of the most useless cars ever. And they don't suit for racing.

obsolum

14th March 2009, 12:52

:doh: range rover vogue lol

if there would be a SUV in lfs than it should a sporty one like the BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne, Range rover sport, Mercedes ML 530 AMG or the Jeep SRT8.
If you're gonna list a BMW X-series, take the X6. Definitely sportier than the X5. Although I can see some people might argue if that qualifies as an SUV :shrug:

As for whether there should be off road kind of cars in LFS or not, I'm not sure... :scratchch My first thought would be "no", as they're obviously not cars designed to be raced on asphalt tracks. However, iRacing has got the whatyamacallit... Chevy Impala? Or something similar, a heavy pickup. Basically, if it drives you can race it. So why not? However, those kind of cars should only be added when S2 is final, IMO.

Luke.S

14th March 2009, 15:38

Toyota Hilux Diesel

G!NhO

14th March 2009, 15:54

If you're gonna list a BMW X-series, take the X6. Definitely sportier than the X5. Although I can see some people might argue if that qualifies as an SUV :shrug:

yeah true but the ones i listed are more equal i think :)

@FF no i dont think its the best but i like it the most and it actually isnt that bad on the track, but it does have faster acceleration than the others.

Furiously-Fast

14th March 2009, 15:59

Toyota Hilux Diesel

Oh come on. LFS isn't Burnout. it may only have bouncy barriers, trampiline tyrewalls, cars that can fly in the.... oh wait, I think you may be on to something. :x

EDIT:
@ Ginho: I think that Jeeps are good on the track too. What's better, it that they are GREAT off road, and very reliable. Or are they? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf8DLd696cM&feature=channel_page)

amp88

14th March 2009, 16:15

A sporty SUV is quite an oxymoron

I have an episode of evo car magazine in which they lapped a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S as quickly as a BMW M3 around a test track. I'd say that's sporty...

As for quick BMW SUVs, surely you can't top the BMW X5 LM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtuVxi6hMqI).

On topic I don't really see the point in SUVs in LFS.

G!NhO

14th March 2009, 16:42

@ Ginho: I think that Jeeps are good on the track too. What's better, it that they are GREAT off road, and very reliable. Or are they? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf8DLd696cM&feature=channel_page)

well i actually convessed that Jeeps are as reliable as a turd, but that doesnt stop me from loving them. :)

that video is just stupid, the car was completely stuck and they just pulled it out a 40mph so ANY car will break its front axle in that situation.
Also that mud was very deep and hard at some points so it was ineviteble to damage your car by towing it out in such a moronic way. :thumb:

EDIT: for the ones that wanna drive SUV's in a racing game, look at this. :) >>> 4X4 Off Road Racing - rFactor (http://www.rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=4X4%20Off%20Road%20Racing)

Luke.S

14th March 2009, 17:02

Proof Jeeps are crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0j_dUNHUYE (Jeep pwned by kia)

teedot

14th March 2009, 17:03

what a stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid idea

G!NhO

14th March 2009, 17:04

Proof Jeeps are crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0j_dUNHUYE (Jeep pwned by kia)

:doh:

well lets not start about Kia's, they are just from a completely different league.

btw thats like the only video about a Kia pwning a Jeep and the Kia had a longer run.

beefyman666

14th March 2009, 18:02

Hi, i think we should have a Land Rover - Range rover vogue 4.4L V8
That would make this game cool.

Did your daddy just buy a Range Rover by any chance? :scratchch

G!NhO

14th March 2009, 18:02

Did your daddy just buy a Range Rover by any chance? :scratchch

lol

99% chance your right :D

Chrisuu01

14th March 2009, 18:11

And why the hell would I want a range rover to drive over my aponents??

boosterfire

14th March 2009, 19:24

You have GOT to be kidding. Seriously. NO WAY. :really:

boothy

14th March 2009, 20:33

Yes of course it should be in the game, eventually when LFS is finished, when a tow rope function is implemented. It would be perfect for getting cars out of the gravel, taking them back to the pits etc.

Only problem is that it would be a cruiser's dream, imagine a South City morning cruise with all the Chelsea tractors...

Inouva

15th March 2009, 00:20

Hi, i think we should have a Land Rover - Range rover vogue 4.4L V8
That would make this game cool.

Come on 4 years in the LFS comunity and you even post in the Correct thread...?

scania

15th March 2009, 01:47

Oh come on. LFS isn't Burnout. it may only have bouncy barriers, trampiline tyrewalls, cars that can fly in the.... oh wait, I think you may be on to something. :x

EDIT:
@ Ginho: I think that Jeeps are good on the track too. What's better, it that they are GREAT off road, and very reliable. Or are they? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf8DLd696cM&feature=channel_page)
I don't think LFS wil stay
it is a racing simaulator will keep evolution forever

Chrisuu01

15th March 2009, 11:06

Come on 4 years in the LFS comunity and you even post in the Correct thread...?

I think he enjoys beighn a dumbass from time to time

sam93

15th March 2009, 11:15

Post in the correct section.

Why the Range Rover Vogue, at least suggest the Bowler Nemesis.

LFSn00b

15th March 2009, 11:28

Did your daddy just buy a Range Rover by any chance? :scratchchI fail to see the overclocking thread for the Range Rover then

Bandit77

15th March 2009, 13:32

deiwisxxx

15th March 2009, 16:52

bannanas another shity treat

piggy501

15th March 2009, 19:36

ahuuu...

did the track have a 5 mile straight, 2 corners and speedbumps?

And the M3 stopped for a picnic.

Luke.S

15th March 2009, 20:03

And then the M3 driver went to bed and woke up again to finish his lap?

Inouva

16th March 2009, 11:49

i think he enjoys beighn a dumbass from time to time

i fail to see the overclocking thread for the range rover then

lmao

GothaR_SVK

17th March 2009, 08:36

I have an episode of evo car magazine in which they lapped a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S as quickly as a BMW M3 around a test track. I'd say that's sporty...

As for quick BMW SUVs, surely you can't top the BMW X5 LM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtuVxi6hMqI).

On topic I don't really see the point in SUVs in LFS.
Link or not true! :)

Dajmin

17th March 2009, 09:57

Proper off-road vehicles? Yes.
Fake off-road SUVs? Hell no.

I still hate SUVs with the burning passion of a thousand suns. Off-roading with low-profile tyres is a great idea, no really. And if you're not off-roading, why do you need such a beast of a car? Get a people-carrier if you need to carry people, that's where the name comes from.

G!NhO

17th March 2009, 10:58

Get a people-carrier if you need to carry people, that's where the name comes from.

Maybe some people (like my dad) need to pull heavy stuff, like a horsetrailer or a Boat that weighs 1800kg. Can you pull that with a small and underpowered people-carrier...........answer is NO.
So some people dont use SUV's for offroading but they do really need them. ;)

Dajmin

17th March 2009, 11:25

Maybe some people (like my dad) need to pull heavy stuff, like a horsetrailer or a Boat that weighs 1800kg. Can you pull that with a small and underpowered people-carrier...........answer is NO.
So some people dont use SUV's for offroading but they do really need them. ;)
People who tow heavy stuff get allowed, although how much better an SUV is for that than a standard Land Rover is another matter :) And I stand by the fact that off-roading in low-pro tyres is stupid :p

G!NhO

17th March 2009, 11:37

People who tow heavy stuff get allowed, although how much better an SUV is for that than a standard Land Rover is another matter :) And I stand by the fact that off-roading in low-pro tyres is stupid :p

well a standard Land Rover (TD5?) cant pull sh!t.
I know someone that has a fully upgraded Jeep Wrangler, they put it on a trailer behind a Land Rover TD5 and went to the ardenne in Belgium for some offroading, the Land Rover had a very hard time pulling the car up some hills on the road, they were driving 20kmh because the Land Rover wasnt strong enough to pull the Jeep.

My dad once had to pull a Aggregate(?) which weighed 3000kg, he was the only one with a car that was able to pull it. The car was Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9l V8.

Dajmin

17th March 2009, 11:43

Well y'see I don't know that the mid-90s models of Grand Cherokee count as SUVs, I'd have called them proper off-road 4x4s since they have rugged tyres and big bodies and sit feet off the ground.
The newer models, on the other hand, have more sporty tyres and lowered suspension, which doesn't really say "I churn through 3 feet of mud without thinking" as much as "I run 6 kids to football practice" :)

G!NhO

17th March 2009, 11:55

true, the one my dad has now does have street tyres. look.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff267/ginho8/jeep.jpg

The older one did have bigger offroad tyres and more ground clearence. :)

The newest GC has even less ground clearence and it doesnt have a solid front axle which makes it worse offroad. :p

james12s

17th March 2009, 15:31

well a standard Land Rover (TD5?) cant pull sh!t.
I know someone that has a fully upgraded Jeep Wrangler, they put it on a trailer behind a Land Rover TD5 and went to the ardenne in Belgium for some offroading, the Land Rover had a very hard time pulling the car up some hills on the road, they were driving 20kmh because the Land Rover wasnt strong enough to pull the Jeep.

My dad once had to pull a Aggregate(?) which weighed 3000kg, he was the only one with a car that was able to pull it. The car was Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9l V8.
well tbh comparing a2.5litre diesel to a 5.9litre v8 is a bit stupid, of coirse the v8 is gonna have more power but it isnt just power thats makes a good tow car. as for the td5 a little tweeking can make it an extremly capable tow car

G!NhO

17th March 2009, 15:39

well tbh comparing a2.5litre diesel to a 5.9litre v8 is a bit stupid, of coirse the v8 is gonna have more power but it isnt just power thats makes a good tow car. as for the td5 a little tweeking can make it an extremly capable tow car

He was talking about a standard Land Rover for towing stuff and i gave an example. :shrug:

Ok, now my dad has a 4.7l v8 and it does the job fine too, the 4.0l straight 6 did the job fine too.
The Land Rover is a great offroader but its not powerfull.

james12s

17th March 2009, 16:00

i do see your point, some people like them as tow cars some dont and the td5 engine is one that not everyone likes but others love. for me the best towing land rovers have to be v8's weather it be a defender, discovery or range rover

harjun

17th March 2009, 18:09

lol

99% chance your right :D
yes you are.

harjun

17th March 2009, 18:10

yes you are right.
My dad bought a V8 4.4 BMW engine range rover.
Its for towing my brothers race car though.

mcintyrej

17th March 2009, 18:12

yes you are right.
My dad bought a V8 4.4 BMW engine range rover.
Its for towing my brothers race car though.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/416209349_147e4b05da.jpg

harjun

17th March 2009, 18:13

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/416209349_147e4b05da.jpg
you are most welcome.

james12s

17th March 2009, 18:19

now thats what i call a tow car lol range rover v8 = heaven lol

athough this could arguably be better: http://www.lro.com/news.php?sid=231&page=1 lol

S14 DRIFT

17th March 2009, 18:47

yes you are right.
My dad bought a V8 4.4 BMW engine range rover.
Its for towing my brothers race car though.

Cool!

Not.

G!NhO

17th March 2009, 18:51

Land ROver + BMW engine is a FAIL

james12s

17th March 2009, 19:09

lol yh maybe, the bmw diesel they put in the p38 (second gen) range rover was a total fail but its not too bad when its a v8

harjun

17th March 2009, 19:24

Land ROver + BMW engine is a FAIL
coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?
Are you like stupid or something.
The X5 v8 is the same as in a Range rover. And the early Range rover vogues had BMW engines, which proved to be way more reliable than the vogues with the Jaguar engines a few years later.
And if you wanted a sporty car you wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a range rover for that price anyway.
And plus, people dont realise how good the range rover is as a tow car, theres actually a video of it easily towing a jumbo jet. Most farmers have vogues, and the car is used for Towing or image, not a Sporty car.
The supercharged sport is only 1 second faster than the non supercharged one from 0-60...
Get over it

At least James knows something.
When you are towing a 850kg trailer plus a 1.2 Tonne race car to germany and back, you want a good ride with no worries, and for it to be comfortable.
it only does 15mpg though lol!

dougie-lampkin

17th March 2009, 19:34

Most farmers have vogues, and the car is used for Towing or image, not a Sporty car.

Wait...wut? I've never ever seen a farmer with any form of range rover. Landies yes, but not the fancy pants version. We use a hilux on the farm, and I bet it would tow 3 times more than your range rover :shrug: (While also doing at least twice your MPG)

Also, you don't need a range rover to pull a car and trailer. God, if it's on road the whole way I bet my Yaris would pull it :scratchch

james12s

17th March 2009, 19:41

lol 15mpg aint that bad when doing all that, weve got a 3.9v8 discovery 1 and when my dad was using that for work(on site it support for the nhs) he was getting 15mpg(the highest we got it was 19 on the london to brighton run) if he was lucky but luckily the milage payment covered it, hes now using an audi a6 avant 1.8 that does 30 odd

edit: oh and dougie towing things isnt just about power etc the vehicle you are using has to weigh enough and if you get trailer snaking on you the heavier the tow vehicle the less you are to crash, the basic laws of phisics dictate that

piggy501

17th March 2009, 19:53

coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?
Are you like stupid or something.

Emmm your question mark is in the wrong place and G!NhO isn't that dumb AFAIK.

The X5 v8 is the same as in a Range rover. And the early Range rover vogues had BMW engines, which proved to be way more reliable than the vogues with the Jaguar engines a few years later.

BMW engine in Range Rover = fail. No matter what way you look at it, the standard engine is fine and dandy for most jobs, and I think that it would be fine pulling a racing car.

And if you wanted a sporty car you wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a range rover for that price anyway.

You can talk.

Most farmers have vogues

What farmers do you know, ones that you have donated to or have won the lottery?!?! Most I know drive Land Rover Defenders, Hiluxes or something similair.

At least James knows something.

News to me :P

When you are towing a 850kg trailer plus a 1.2 Tonne race car to germany and back, you want a good ride with no worries, and for it to be comfortable.
it only does 15mpg though lol!

Ermmm... I think you would find there are many cars that can do this, cheaper and using less fuel.

Luke.S

17th March 2009, 21:06

They drive the old model of the range rover vouge. That is the Range Rover Vogue SEhttp://imcdb.org/images/046/027.jpg

S14 DRIFT

17th March 2009, 21:16

coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?

It is, much more sporty than any other soft-roader in it's class, apart from perhaps the Cayenne. Then again, I'd rather have the X5. The Cayenne is uglier than a baboons bottom.

Most farmers have vogues, and the car is used for Towing or image, not a Sporty car.

Last time I checked they either had tractors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jag7oTemldY) or Defenders. The only RR Vouges they've had before are the older ones as Luke.S cunningly pointed out! (damn beaten :()

The supercharged sport is only 1 second faster than the non supercharged one from 0-60...

I'm sure the acceleration times (such as between 50 and 70mph) are much quicker. :)

Off topic - Buy a diesel one.

harjun

17th March 2009, 21:19

They drive the old model of the range rover vouge. That is the Range Rover Vogue SE
yeh they do drive that but it brakes down after 20 miles.

And also the Range rover vogue's gearbox will happily tow a jumbo jet up a hill 24/7...Most of you people are just being personal about this becuse the comment is from me...
And also 800kg + 1200KG = 2Tonnes.
What you're towing has to be above 60% (i think it's this) or what car you are in. Its legal in the U.K. and its a law.
Dont think an audi weight over 2 tonnes.

dougie-lampkin

17th March 2009, 22:51

The gearbox of any car/tractor/bicycle will pull anything for you. The clutch will give out long before the gearbox does ;)

Nobody's being personal here (at least, I'm not. I can't speak for others...), you're just being a pillock by claiming that a BMW-engined range rover is necessary to pull another car, which is complete nonsense :shrug:

Also, that's not a law. It's a guideline. It's also more around the 85% mark. What is the law though, is that the trailer's weight cannot exceed the car's manufacturer's towing limit. (And btw, the Audi doesn't need to weigh 2T in your example. It needs to weigh 1200kg :))

amp88

18th March 2009, 07:37

I have an episode of evo car magazine in which they lapped a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S as quickly as a BMW M3 around a test track. I'd say that's sporty...

ahuuu...

did the track have a 5 mile straight, 2 corners and speedbumps?

And the M3 stopped for a picnic.

And then the M3 driver went to bed and woke up again to finish his lap?

Link or not true! :)

Sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the issue. Well, it appears I was wrong. Sorry everyone. It was actually the Cayenne Turbo, not the Turbo S. The issue in question is evo 055, from May 2003. Scan attached below.

UnknownMaster21

18th March 2009, 08:48

I prefer Fiat Panda

G!NhO

18th March 2009, 09:02

coming from the person who thinks an X5 is a sporty car...?

AFAIK the X5 (X6 now) has got the best driving characteristics of all SUV's.

And i guess you havent read my earlier comments.

Bandit77

18th March 2009, 09:18

Sorry for the delay, took me a while to find the issue. Well, it appears I was wrong. Sorry everyone. It was actually the Cayenne Turbo, not the Turbo S. The issue in question is evo 055, from May 2003. Scan attached below.

it's cool that you have this piece of evidence - although I didn't doubt you were telling the truth about this tracktest. :D
it's just... waaah... it's like the topgear tracktests. I mean - how much does it really say about the car? I tell you:

ONE driver - with his his preferences and his distinctive abilities - is able to lap the cayenne as fast as he laps the M3 around ONE certain track after a couple of laps.

If you took fifty drivers and maybe ten very different tracks and the Cayenne would match the M3's performance, that'd be far more meaningful.

Dajmin

18th March 2009, 10:47

It's also possible he just jumped the Cayenne over some of those corners :)

piggy501

18th March 2009, 18:41

It's also possible he just jumped the Cayenne over some of those corners :)

Like this?

True route of Cayenne marked in red.

P5YcHoM4N

23rd March 2009, 23:56

They drive the old model of the range rover vouge. That is the Range Rover Vogue SE
That old girl was far superior to the 'fenders of the time too. Much nicer ride quality and given that Landy used the same 2.5 diesel across the range it was great for towing too. Unfortunately the manual boxes were known to be rubbish and as with all British made vehicles would rust faster than you could drive it. But when in one that still runs it is pure sex.

Just thought I'd point out that the 'fender (and from memory all Landy products) have a rated towing capacity of 3.5 metric tons and some unofficial sources have claimed much more. If your Landy had problems towing a car then it was a problem with your Landy and/or driving ability and not the vehicles lack of ability.

There is a reason why the first vehicle people in the Third World are most likely to see first is a 'fender and why ~85% of all of the 'fenders ever made are still running. They are bloody robust utilitarian vehicles.