Learning to drive with MOMO wheel [Archive]

_@lex

12th March 2009, 18:06

Hello! I hope there isn't such a theme around here:) At least, I didn't find it.
I've bought MOMO wheel a week ago, and it's my very first computer wheel.
I'm racing FBM at Blackwood, and I'm doing around 1.19.00. With keyboard I was 1.15.00 and even less. I can't drive now:( Everything that worked very well with KB makes me spin and slip now. How do I learn to drive? By the way, in other sims and arcades I experience the same problems...
Thanks for paying attention!

S14 DRIFT

12th March 2009, 18:07

Just be smooth with your movements. Post a replay of yourself driving so we can help out in a more informed way. :D

LaimisD1

12th March 2009, 18:42

i have MOMO and i suggest to use Force Feedback and after about 2-3 weeks you'll be quicker than with a keyboard, don't stop trying you just got to start feeling the wheel(use FF). It takes time to use pedals properly and it would be good if you post a replay o your driving, then i could point out the points you need improving...

EliteAti

12th March 2009, 19:07

yeah, i've improved my BL1 pb over a second from 1.14.6 something to 1.13x and getting better all the time, you'll get used to the Wheel. :)

Kristjan.J

12th March 2009, 21:04

It was just the same for me, it took me long time to get the hang of the wheel.

JackSun

12th March 2009, 21:33

Can I also suggest you try using the 4 key to put the racing line on the track. I know you may think this is for beginners and I know the suggested line and braking zones aren't perfect but it helped me when I went to wheel. If you haven't used this before just remember Red area = Braking zone Orange/Lt. Green = No throttle or partial throttle Solid Green = Full Throttle.

sk8line69

12th March 2009, 22:29

_@lex

13th March 2009, 05:39

i usually ignore the colors and just try to hit the right line.
the colors just look nice to me;)
This line makes me crazy:shrug: I just can't stick to it in some corners (in 3 turn, for example).
I'm very grateful to all of you, who spent their time for such a newbie like me.
I'm planning on making practice session today, so I'll post replays a bit later.
Thanks again.
P.S. Sorry for my English. As you may have already noticed I'm from Ukraine, and I didn't have much practice in this language.:schwitz:

O.Varela

13th March 2009, 06:18

Also you need to have a properly configuration on the logitech profiler. I have a MOMO too, my config in profiler is this.

Wheel
Sensitivity: 15%
Dead Zone: 0%
Range: 100%

Acelerator and Brake
Sensitivity: 5%
Dead Zone: 0%
Range: 100%

Global Configuration
Global Intensity: 100%
The rest is in 0%

Pedals with separated axis on profiler, and LFS.

The FF in LFS, it depends on your taste, try diferent FF intensity :thumb:

_@lex

13th March 2009, 06:56

OK, here's a quickly recorded KB replay. I should say it's rather good than ordinary, especially considering some of my mistakes and good summary lap time. 80081
Here's replay with the wheel. Notice how I'm almoust get spinned in T1 - that happens often.
80080
And finally - full wheel replay. The driving is very good, as for me. I've set wheel PB here.
80079

_@lex

13th March 2009, 07:00

Dmt

13th March 2009, 07:42

Well.. watched your replay and as far I know I had the same problem when I got my wheel.. It took me week or so to get used to it.. so its very normal.

Maybe try to watch WR replay.. it might help you because you dont feel where is the right place to make a turn. :shrug:

_@lex

13th March 2009, 07:50

It took me week or so to get used to it.. so its very normal.

I'm already racing a week.

Maybe try to watch WR replay..
I did. I can't understand it. When I try to repeat I just get spinned. The only thing i realized is he never turns a wheel for big angles, but he slips in some corners...:shrug:

My main problem for now is I'm not consistent. I can't just drive lap by lap with nearly equal times, like I can with KB.

Dmt

13th March 2009, 07:53

Oh, and learning wheel can be hard on fbm.. well it was for me.

One guy suggested me to race XFG@BL1 till I get .33
Well I did that and I was much beter. :shrug:

Try it out :thumb:

Shadowww

13th March 2009, 09:45

I'm already racing a week.Это нормально - когда я купил себе руль, я тоже привыкал около недели.
Рекомендую тебе тренироватся на XFG или XRG а не на FBM, к ним легче привыкнуть.
Такж попробуй пройти все демо-тренировки (в главном меню пункт Trainings) на уровне Pro.

Hope your Russian is better than English :)

_@lex

13th March 2009, 10:46

Hope your Russian is better than English :)
Believe me it is:)
Shadowww, Dmt - I'll follow your advice, thank you!:thumb:

Well, I did some improvements, and I'm finally under 1.17.0 and under 0.56 after sector two. But I'm still up to second slower in sector 1 than with KB. The worst is I don't understand where exactly I'm loosing time, considering I have the same speed after S-shaped turn:
80086

Dmt

13th March 2009, 11:21

:really: Your racing line sucks.. you lose so much time.. now just practise.. you wont get fast with few hours..

_@lex

13th March 2009, 11:42

:really: Your racing line sucks.. you lose so much time.. now just practise.. you wont get fast with few hours..
Thanks for support:D I know i won't get fast even in 1 week, so I'll just practice.
P.S. I'd like to put WR's raceline on track instead of built-in...

_@lex

13th March 2009, 11:43

And thanks to O.Varela - I feel better with lower wheel sensitivity:thumb:

Dmt

13th March 2009, 11:53

Thanks for support:D I know i won't get fast even in 1 week, so I'll just practice.
P.S. I'd like to put WR's raceline on track instead of built-in...

Why? You cant even race standart race line...

_@lex

13th March 2009, 12:05

Why? You cant even race standart race line...
True, but standart seems... uhm... strange in some places.

easyed

13th March 2009, 13:05

Well, here is my 0.2 hryvnia (2 cents US) -

I drove with a controller for years (big caluses on my thumbs - I looked deformed) and when I switched to a wheel it took me 3 months to get back close to my controller pace ......

Like you, I already knew the racing lines, so obviously the slower times with the wheel were because I couldn't "control the controller" (wheel) - not because I was a noob that didn't "know". You just need to learn the "feel" with the different kind of controller .....

To get that "feel" of the wheel and pedals, what worked for me was to drive quite a few different cars and NOT worry too much about lap times ..... just have fun, "toss" the car around, play with the lines, do things like it was "Bump and Jump". Maybe even battle with the AI in races.

For example, when learning with the wheel, you brake and just don't "feel" the car's deceleration. You brake, you look and then have to think: "Am I slowing? How much am I slowing? Am I slow enough now to start turn?" Your mind is relying on more than the visual (I see I am slowing down) - you need to learn that feel with the wheel almost as if you had never driven with some other controller. Same applies to the steering and gas.

IOW, you already know how to drive - you need to learn the new feel so that you sense the changes in the car's behavior more accurately and without having to "think".

Stick to it - you will get there. And the experience of immersion is so much better once you are comfortable with the wheel.

Mille Sabords

13th March 2009, 13:39

I switched from mouse to G25 months ago, after gazillon years of mousing in LFS (at least 2 years demo before S2, but not continuous).

I have yet to beat my mouse pbs in the slower cars... I am now coming close to them but still missing a few 10ths here and there.

So 5 months, and not quite there yet :) talk about a slow learner! I'm sure you can do better ;)

On the other hand I do not race that much - maybe 2 hours a week.

_@lex

13th March 2009, 14:46

just have fun, "toss" the car around, play with the lines, do things like it was "Bump and Jump".
Thanks for advice and for spending your time to write such a long post.
Really, it's not so hard to drive, let's say, 100 laps a week, and it helps. But It's difficult to make yourself experiment on the track, search and test another approaches and so on. I think, this way one can lern quicker and more effective than by simple driving lap by lap.

P.S. BTW, 2 cents equals to 0.17 hryvna:) The worldwide crisis shows itself, in summer it was 0.1, so everything that is priced in dollars became much more expensive. I hope, those of you who live in western Europe or across the ocean do not suffer so much as we do here from the crisis.

easyed

13th March 2009, 15:23

My retirement account is worth about half what it was a year ago and I'm 59 :shrug:

My superfluous verbiage is habitual ... I'm in therapy for it, really :nod:

Thanks for taking the time to read it :thumb:

Shadowww

13th March 2009, 15:24

P.S. BTW, 2 cents equals to 0.17 hryvna:) The worldwide crisis shows itself, in summer it was 0.1, so everything that is priced in dollars became much more expensive. I hope, those of you who live in western Europe or across the ocean do not suffer so much as we do here from the crisis.In Latvia dollar was ~0.48 in summer, now it's ~0.56 :(

Edit: ~0.56 was week ago, now it's 0.549 :)

_@lex

13th March 2009, 16:26

My retirement account is worth about half what it was a year ago and I'm 59
So there's not much difference between situation here in Ukraine and the rest of the world:( I hope things will get better, but it may take years...

My scholarship was >$100, now it's <$70 (And it didn't change in national currency).

My superfluous verbiage is habitual ... I'm in therapy for it, really

Continue then, looking forward to your next replies! Thanks for spending time.

Can someone post his replay for me to watch and learn?

Lateralus

13th March 2009, 16:38

Your driving was fairly good, you just need to smooth it out a little.

Turn in earlier and more gently. Try to use less steering lock. Be prepared to use opposite lock on corner exit at T1. If you smoothly turn the wheel to straight and stay on the gas to keep it slightly sideways, the FBM will turn well there and not spin.

Try to keep the wheel as straight as possible on straights. You're losing time by moving back and forth.

Here's a quick lap I just did. I ruined the last corner, but watch T1 - a bit of oversteer is easy to counter for on the exit. From there it's about straightening out the chicane as much as possible for good speed onto the backstraight.

S14 DRIFT

13th March 2009, 17:09

I'm already racing a week.

I did. I can't understand it. When I try to repeat I just get spinned. The only thing i realized is he never turns a wheel for big angles, but he slips in some corners...:shrug:

My main problem for now is I'm not consistent. I can't just drive lap by lap with nearly equal times, like I can with KB.

You should always bring yourself to the level of the WR holders by practising and going up in speed one stage at a time. If you try to get near the WR times without first learning the car and the track at those kinds of speeds you'll only crash and find it harder. Work up in small steps and always be thinking about what you're doing and how it affects the car.

_@lex

13th March 2009, 17:16

Try to use less steering lock.

Steering lock is max, 20 degrees.

Be prepared to use opposite lock on corner exit at T1.

Sorry, I don't understand this sentence:shrug: Could you say in other words?

Thanks for advices, I'll try to be more smooth and make less moves. I'm really turning too late, but I can't find points where to break:scratchch

_@lex

13th March 2009, 17:20

You should always bring yourself to the level of the WR holders by practising and going up in speed one stage at a time. If you try to get near the WR times without first learning the car and the track at those kinds of speeds you'll only crash and find it harder. Work up in small steps and always be thinking about what you're doing and how it affects the car.
So, seems like I should just practice, searching where I can improve my result bit by bit, and trying to feel the car and the track.

S14 DRIFT

13th March 2009, 17:30

Yup, exactly. :)

_@lex

13th March 2009, 17:34

So there's not much difference between situation here in Ukraine and the rest of the world
BTW, my mother's former colleague now lives in SAR, and he says crisis doesn't affect this country much, because they try to produce everything they need to reduce import. And they try to control the rotation of foreign currencies within the country and across it's borders.

Andrei221

13th March 2009, 20:18

Tips:

1. Be consistent
2. Learn the track, drive some laps slow so you can see the braking points and the lines.
3. Be gentle with the steering, don't turn a lot, just a little so it can take the turn right.
4. Don't block wheels aka control the brake pedal.
5. Use the 2 basic rules : Slow in - Fast out; Inside-Outside-Inside-Outside,etc.

John5200

13th March 2009, 21:05

:scratchch when i was a demo racer and got my g25 i made in my first 5 lap race a 1 15... Same day 1 14... Pb back there was a 1 14 5... Maybe the ffb of the g25 is too good lol

Lateralus

14th March 2009, 00:46

Steering lock is max, 20 degrees.

No, I mean in terms of driving, not in the options. Turning the wheel causes the car to become unbalanced, and scrubs off speed. The less you turn the wheel in the corners, the faster you can go.

Sorry, I don't understand this sentence:shrug: Could you say in other words?

Opposite lock means to counter a slide by steering in the other direction. Watch me take T1 in that replay. On the corner exit as I apply the throttle, the back of the car starts to slide. I counter this slide by steering left, even though the corner is a right-hander. Driving fast is about anticipation - predicting events before they happen. With practice you'll be able to feel a slide happening very early, so you'll be able to countersteer for it more quickly.

I'm really turning too late, but I can't find points where to break:scratchch

It just takes practice. Practice on a single track with a single car and do many laps in it. Learn the braking points so that you just do it without thinking.

_@lex

14th March 2009, 11:11

No, I mean in terms of driving, not in the options. Turning the wheel causes the car to become unbalanced, and scrubs off speed. The less you turn the wheel in the corners, the faster you can go.

Opposite lock means to counter a slide by steering in the other direction. Watch me take T1 in that replay. On the corner exit as I apply the throttle, the back of the car starts to slide. I counter this slide by steering left, even though the corner is a right-hander. Driving fast is about anticipation - predicting events before they happen. With practice you'll be able to feel a slide happening very early, so you'll be able to countersteer for it more quickly.

It just takes practice. Practice on a single track with a single car and do many laps in it. Learn the braking points so that you just do it without thinking.
Thanks, I understand now:)
And sorry, I'm demo, so I can't view your replay:( It's FXR, right?
That's why I only use FBM - the only fast car in demo.

_@lex

14th March 2009, 11:15

Tips:

1. Be consistent

Easy to say...

Such tips are easy to understand and realize, but hard to implement in practice. I know that from learning to drive real car. maybe I'm too stupid. I'll try... Thanks for advices!

Andrei221

14th March 2009, 11:42

No problem , maybe we will meet on some server so i can show you some things

_@lex

14th March 2009, 11:50

No problem , maybe we will meet on some server so i can show you some things
I'd like to... But, llike I said, I'm demo:shrug: So, it's unlikely that we'll meet untill I'll buy S2(which is unlikely, too while I'm a student).

_@lex

14th March 2009, 12:08

Happened to post this (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1102592#post1102592) today - maybe it will help with the settings side of things?
Thanks, I'll read it right now:thumb:

_@lex

15th March 2009, 09:07

What view do you usually use? I've always driven with the view from outside the car, but when I've installed the wheel, after 10 laps of spinning in every turn, I changed the view to the cockpit, and now I can do many laps without going off; but my trajectory changed dramatically. I tried to race with KB and cockpit view, I'm loosing about 1 sec. I need to search for points where to break and to turn the wheel, my previous experience doesn't work with cockpit view...:(

_@lex

15th March 2009, 12:25

Can someone please post BL1 FBM replay? I expect lap time 1.14.5 to 1.13.5 so that I can repeat in in near future:)
Thanks in advance.
Lateralus - sorry again for I can't watch your replay.

_@lex

15th March 2009, 13:12

Thanks a lot, man!
I did use google, but found nothing. Shame to say, I didn't know that's called "hotlap":shrug:
I've even added my own KB replay, so I'm now in honorable 549'th place:)
And 33'th among the racers with KB:)

_@lex

15th March 2009, 14:13

you now have a new goal to aim for, higher placing in KB rank drivers. :thumb:

No, I want higher place among wheel drivers:)
That's what I bought wheel for (and started this topic).:nod:
Thanks again for help!

_@lex

15th March 2009, 14:48

lol yes i know :smileypul i said KB because you said you uploaded a KB lap :)

Good Luck! :thumb:
But now, when I got my MOMO, I don't feel like keeping practicing with KB:scratchch

_@lex

15th March 2009, 18:08

Can anyone please post .smx file for Blackwood? I don't want to download a huge pack for all tracks via Dial-Up:(

_@lex

18th March 2009, 19:46

Hello again!
I've made some minor improvements in my driving style, and this is my typical lap for now:
80428
I would be grateful if someone will look this and give me some tips, for example where I can improve time more easily.
I'm feeling especially slow and unstable in sector 1, and last turn is quite tricky for me. I've watched many replays, and it helped but now I don't know which part of track to concentrate at.
Thanks in advance.

sil3ntwar

18th March 2009, 21:32

I remember when i first got a wheel. I dumped the wheel and just used the pedals and continued to steer with the mouse as i found it faster! :shy: After awhile i thought i better try the wheel again and i havent looked back since! It does take awhile but all you need is lots of practice. Helps when you have more cars and tracks to practice on as well :tilt:

hazaky

19th March 2009, 13:22

Still cant drive momo? Call "mom, mom, mom ... halp - halp !"

_@lex

19th March 2009, 13:51

I didn't say I can't drive.
And leave this style of conversation for talking to your family.

teedot

19th March 2009, 16:28

some of you people posting here are real dicks. give the guy a break, he's going to a wheel from a keyboard. DMT you should be ashamed of your stupid comments.. same with you Hazaky. Grow up you two muppets! :x

Byku

19th March 2009, 17:08

Hello again!...

Damn Mate... You're better than Me :D. Keep up the good work :thumb:

_@lex

20th March 2009, 05:24

Damn Mate... You're better than Me :D. Keep up the good work :thumb:
You mean my lap time? Are you driving FBM, too? Then let's train together:) Maybe, we can create a demo-server, call one of these pro-driver-guys and learn some tricks:scratchch

teedot - Thanks for support:) There are many inadequate people, sometimes it's better to just ignore them. BTW, Dmt is OK, he gave me some advices, we met online...

hazaky

20th March 2009, 07:19

same with you Hazaky. Grow up you two muppets! :x
Wait wait wait.

Dont talk like that, i didnt meant my comment as "offensive" as u maybe understood. Why should i mean something bad with it? I dont have a wheel myself - so theres no problem.

_@lex

20th March 2009, 07:38

Wait wait wait.

Dont talk like that, i didnt meant my comment as "offensive" as u maybe understood. Why should i mean something bad with it? I dont have a wheel myself - so theres no problem.
Nobody forces you to post here or read this theme. So post something meaningful or don't post at all.