©®© demo server

[o000o]

Thx for providing the server but you got to admin it or allow banning, the wrecking mod you have is just useless, in fact the wreckers are having fun with it.

It's the most unruly server in the demo list. :thumb:

[mkinnov8]

The CRC Demo Server is regularly admined, but will never allow Banning and Kicking, as this is against CRC Guidelines.

We do not have a Wreaking Mod on, the current Insim Application we are using does require some tweaking and this will be done as soon as possible, 8 times of of 10 it does its job to defuse any situations.

As for being unruly, its one of the most popular, its hard to get in there sometimes, but when admined, which is most of the time (but we do have lives too), there is some great racing there.

www.cleanracersclub.org is the website if there is a problem with anything, a post there will ensure a faster admin responce.

Thanks, cya on the track.

[robt]

You must have caught a bad moment mate. ive been in tons of demo servers in the last year, its the cleanest one ive found. Yes u DO get wreckers, but they are dealt with imeadiately if there is an admin there. And as mkinnov8 said, if there is a problem go to the CRC website and hopefully an admin will get to the server to help asap.

[Christofire]

I've only been on the CRC server a couple of times as it's been anything but clean racing.

Tonight there were at least two wreckers on when I tried it. :shrug:

[Bluestream]

I raced it on a couple of times to, a wrecker all of the times, one came back all the time. Once when I was in the lead your wrecking mod even made me a wrecker and pitted me, because he was standing in the first corner and was blocking me. :/

Imo Fusion is the cleanest server by far

[mkinnov8]

Once again, its not a wreaking mod, it will be tested and it will be sorted out, we cant be there to admin all the time, but i would say 14-18 hours a day there is someone there who is an admin.

Different things for different people, as it always was and always will be, if you like other servers more, no problem, it will give others a chance to get in and try it for themselves.

[filur]

That wrecker detection will never work, it's a really good idea but it just won't ever work.

Measuring angle of a rapidly occuring spin has, when you think about it, very little to do with the wrecking.

[mkinnov8]

Read my previous two posts, thanks for the support :thumbsup:

[filur]

Sorry for semi-spamming, i did read your previous posts, most of the thread infact, thus figuring out which insim app you're running, and, sadly, it will never work :shrug:

[B2B@300]

Perhaps it might be a better option to only have the sever public when there is an admin around, for the rest of the time put it private with info on your main website. I think you did it that way in the past... certainly would limit the majority of muppets :)

When it is not admined the CRC logo or perhaps the fact that they can see there is no voting, just attracts the wrecker types :p

I've raced there with an admin and its good, also been on without and it's unbearable :shrug: another option I guess would be to allow voting when there's no admin present, but if that doesn't fit with the CRC rules it's probably best to make it private or take it down when not admined. That way when people see it in the public list they know there is an admin on site and can go there with confidence :tilt:

[mkinnov8]

To be totally honest with you, its one or two in each server when not admined who will want to cause trouble.

If the mod used on there works or not, without being rude, there are pleanty of servers that dont currently run it, weather it works or not is an opinion.

Justing a short test tonight, it seems to be working better.

I understand about the name attracting them etc, thats to be expected, we knew that when placing a server in the demo servers. As previously said, its not admined for around 4-6 hours a day, voting for kick / ban although effective in terms of getting rid of people, its not good at calming an atmosphere.

Now it will pitlane you if there is a big (fast) crash.

Hey think of it this way, we are promoting clean racing, dont wanna be pitlaned, dont hit each other, or try another server :thumb:

[o000o]

dont wanna be pitlaned, dont hit each other, or try another server

Hmmm, I don't think you are coming across at all well. As the expected users of your server that you put up and are paying for, we are giving you feedback but you don't like what you're hearing. You don't seem to understand that the pitlane mod doesn't know who causes the crash so the wreckers are side swiping on the straight causing a heavy spin into the wall so the mod puts you into the pitlane, a double result for them.
It looks like you are saying "our server is fine, go race on another server", which is what the good drivers are doing leaving the wreckers to rule your server.

It's not my problem, it's the ©®© reputation that's going down the pan, I'd ditch the pitlane mod and use the baseball bat to the head mod instead.

[B2B@300]

I understand about the name attracting them etc

Well think like a wrecker for a moment, they want to create as much trouble as possible and cause the most disruption... so if thats your goal would you go for the run of the mill server that is just full of newbies that can't stay on the track anyway :x or would you go for people trying to have a clean race :shrug: A wrecker would get far more satisfaction out of wrecking a quality race than just adding to an already shit race :schwitz:I wasn't meaning the CRC name as such but any server that makes a stand and tries to maintain clean racing will automatically become a major target of serrious wreckers :( and my experience is the only effective way to curb their concentrated attacks is to maintain a server with admin or be on a server with voting that has several other clean races on at the same time so it can be kept clean. Otherwise wreckers being serrious about wrecking will find away to stuff everyones night - even if it is just spamming and being a general pain.

I think what you are trying to do is commendable, all I was suggesting is possible ways to make it a haven for clean racing even without an admin present, sure it might limit people from connecting when an admin is not there but the people that do know about it will frequent it and this will make it a better environment to introduce new LFS drivers to LFS, which is a great goal. Because at the moment unless your already are a pretty good driver there just isn't many choices in demo for introducing people to LFS in a quality environment. I wasn't in anyway saying it was a waste of time but more discussing ways to make it better :scratchch

At the end of the day maintaining a server with clean racing in demo is a huge ask :) but if you create an environment where experienced guys interact with newbies it may become more "self" maintained, which makes it easier for you as well as a better service to LFS all around. And to be really honest with you, and I am not trying to be rude, I have no need wahtsoever to go onto the CRC server, but I do like to hang with newbies at times to encourage and teach them what little I know when I find some that are wanting and willing to learn, I find this quite rewarding :) so the suggestions I bring to the table have nothing to do with me personally wanting a clean race.

Here's an idea I will throw at you which you can do with it as you want, what about having set times for training sessions on the server, one on one (i.e. an experienced driver with a newbie preferably on something like teamspeak) and then with those same new guys direct them to your website and then when training is not happening and the server is being admined keep it public for any other newbies that might venture along, but when its not admined have it private but issue the password for it to promising young drivers and other trusted drivers.

voting for kick / ban although effective in terms of getting rid of people, its not good at calming an atmosphere.

My experience is quite different from that. If votes and bans are carried out by mature and trusted people they have a far more positive effect than negative. The only time it becomes an issue that creates a bad atmosphere is when the power is abused.

[tristancliffe]

Learn from Netkar - no multiplayer in the demo :up:

[B2B@300]

Learn from Netkar - no multiplayer in the demo :up:

yes but multiplayer is one of LFS's greatest features and to not allow prospective buyers to get a taste of it wouldn't do LFS any good IMO

[NotAnIllusion]

If votes and bans are carried out by mature and trusted people
Problem is that that scenario is not very likely.
1) Either everyone or no-one can vote
2a) If votes are done only by mature and trusted people, that means
-There are no undesireables on the server
-Why are they voting then?
2b) If they're not, there can be false voting

But yes, I agree that having voting enabled is more beneficial to the atmosphere. :p

One can't control who joins a public server and hence who will abuse the power. I think a more realistic situation would be to enable voting and let users express their mentality, and have an admin weed out the idiots. After all, the amount of time the CRC public demo server has an admin in it is substantial when compared to many other demo servers.

I find servers with voting disabled frequently have a bad atmosphere or simply aren't any good because there is no way to get rid of hazardous drivers. Even with an admin around s/he cannot be watching everyone. Personally I prefer enabling voting (where it can be disabled by an admin if too many gits show up at once, so that the admin can kick them and then put the "self-moderating" feature back on).

[mkinnov8]

For the record I totally understand all the view points placed here, although as Ive said before, a quicker responce can be found at our own website.

The CRC and its servers have been discussed here at the Official Forums many times before, we are aware that there are those who think the CRC is not needed and neither are its servers, but there are those that feel it is needed.

We simply try to provide a clean, safe atmosphere for new people, and old alike to race in. If someone doesnt like what we do, we are simply saying that there Are other servers that dont operate the way we do, give others a chance at Clean Racing, the way we do it.

98% of people who have experiences on the CRC Demo server find it refreshing to have a server where there is an admin present for 75% of the day, most people are there to enjoy clean racing.

We are not out to take over the world, thats not what we are about, but that doesnt mean that we should stop existing because there are those who dont feel the CRC are needed. (referring to an incident on a server yesterday, nothing more).

People dont like the CRC or its beliefs, fine, thats your choice, we hope you enjoy your LFS experience and if you change your mind, we will always be here for anyone who is serious about Clean Online Racing.

Last time im going to talk about the LFS Mod thats running there...

Its not a Wreaker mod, Pitlane mod, or anything its been refered to as here, its an addon (unnofficial) for LFS S2 Alpha and Demo servers that provides onscreen output about PB's Split times, and other things.

The part of it that pits people is controlled by a setting, this has been testing a little bit and we have found that it is now running better, this still needs to be tweaked. And it will in time.

If a racer if not going to brake for turn one and hits another car, they will be sent to the pitlane, if there is a problem and an admin is present, it can be saved and looked into. If not and both cars involed are sent to the pits, this is good as it clears the track of any broken cars that (frequently) like to get in the way of faster cars trying to overtake.

To sum up, different from what people here like to think and say, we do like recieving your feedback, good and bad, although the CRC Website is the right place to do it if you want a faster reply.

I do understand all the points raised here and we will look into making the server private when not admined. But if it is, how many new people who want to "pick up and play" are going to see the server in the list, think thats private and I dont have the password, how are they going to know to visit the website to get a password..?

But thank you all for your feedback, the CRC will continue to run Demo Servers and events, we will continue testing the unnofficial addon, as we belive it does a good job 9 out of 10 times.

Cya you all on the track!

[garph]

The fact is people want to wreck in the demo and your not going to be able to stop them all the time, I've seen people race really fast and clean for ages but then just wreck because they know they can :shrug: and this make it very difficult to spot the idiots.

I've seen a few people mention the Fusion server I'll have to check it out and see what they do.

gAg|CRC admin

[filur]

Its not a Wreaker mod, Pitlane mod, or anything its been refered to as here

It's an insim application, people often refer to insim app's as "mods", and the developer of this application himself calls it a "mod".

[mkinnov8]

My focus was on the work Wrecker! Thanks for that.

[o000o]

I've just been on and 4 out of 5 races I started I was hit on the first lap and put into the pits.

Nice try but I can guarantee that you will ditch the pitlane mod.

[SamH]

Demo servers are plagued with wreckers. It's an inevitability. Clean racers, long-term, are I think most likely to upgrade to S2 and leave the demo servers never to return. Dirty racers will never upgrade to S2 because their interest is incompatible with S2 philosophy.

This distillery effect results in demo servers having a significantly higher number of wreckers over time. Wreckers are, to LFS, what I'd consider to be the equivalent of the sludge at the bottom of the fuel tank of a car that's done 100K miles.

Before entering demo servers, you are presented with a screen that bears this out. It's well-written and self-explanatory. Demo servers are what they are, and if you're looking for a more assured GOOD racing environment, the best thing anyone can suggest is to go buy an S2 licence.

If you want clean racing to be your experience of LFS in the vast majority of the laps you drive, this is the ONLY path to choose. If you don't choose it, let's be honest, you can ONLY expect to get exactly what you pay for. If you pay nothing and STILL have a good online racing experience on demo servers, then you've successfully got MORE than you paid for. A plus.

I spend as much time as I can, admining on our demo servers. The rest of the time, they have to manage themselves. They seem to do okay from what I can tell, but obviously what goes on when I'm not there I'll never know for sure. When I am there, I have 2 objectives in mind: protect racers from wreckers, and promote S2 to the clean drivers.

I know our servers will never be free of wreckers, but they're not too prevalent if you issue big bans when you catch them. I'd happily ban a wrecker for life, if I could count as high as the number of days a ban like that needs as a parameter. Anyone capable of malicious wrecking is not a true LFSer and will never be welcome on our servers. As the consumer world moves more towards fixed IPs and longer-lease dynIPs (thanks to the increasing number of multiple-PC homes, and resulting popularity of routers), I predict our servers will become PROPORTIONALLY cleaner and cleaner as time goes on.

Edit: I forgot to state the thing I originally hit Post to say, and that is that I fully support CRC's motives and I'm delighted to see a CRC demo server in the list. It's important that enthusiastic, clean demo racers are always made aware that there is an alternative to being wrecked, and that there exists a community of like-minded, clean racing sim fans.

[filur]

I've just been on and 4 out of 5 races I started I was hit on the first lap and put into the pits.

Nice try but I can guarantee that you will ditch the pitlane mod.

I read that the server is only un-admin'ed about 4-6 hours each day, wouldn't it be so much better to just lock the server with a password when it's not admin'ed?

admin joins empty locked server, types "/pass" to remove password
admin leaves server full of clean racers, types "/pass randompassword" to lock the server, while letting the racers finish their sessions.

Edit: i also fully support the CRC's ideas etc, but the wrecker detection part of this insim app is more a comedy thing in practise, and in theory it just doesn't work.

[robt]

sorry to hear that oOOOo. i was in the server admining up until around an hour after u came in, i think u must just pick the wrong times! (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=39383)

[WGooden]

Seriously, why isn't the server private with the admin password given to those who join the club. That's how it was back before s2 came out, which worked fine. You could generally always be sure that the races would be clean, and no idiots would join in the middle of the race. Of course the pw might be leaked to some wreckers, then it would need to be changed every once in a while. Wouldn't this encourage people more people to join your club also..

[garph]

I think making the server private would stop too many people from using it, they either would never see it or just wouldn't bother to join the CRC. Keeping it public would give the maximum amount of people a chance to use it. But I do like the idea of giving the admin password out to all members, that would work really well.

I was on the server last night for a few hours and it was great racing, just like the old demo. And oOOOo what times are you going in, you seem to be missing the good racing and clashing with the muppets all the time.

I think the CRC demo server has been great and I've probably raced more there than S2 servers in the past few weeks, hence me getting into the 1:32's, which is nice. And it's not really about getting more people to join the CRC it's more about trying to give people a good experience of LFS.

[o000o]

I'm not having a rant about this, I too want the crc demo server to work, this is why I posted in the first place. The point I am trying to put across is that the pitlane thingy is a pain in the ass. I can handle the wreckers in other servers but the pitlane thing is being exploited and is a beacon to wreckers.

Try going in the server undercover when no admin is on and see what happens.

First lap, made it round the corner, through the chicaine and clear into 2nd place, the 1st place racer is on the left hand grass and rejoins the track and bashes into me, not hard or out of malice.....BINGO!!! I'm in the pits, 1st place racer is still out there, my race is over.

Draughting someone down the straight, they slam on the brakes, I'm in the pits.

First corner, get shunted from behind and hit someone, I'm in the pits.

Lose it anywhere, hit the barrier, I'm in the pits.

Wrecker waiting on the inside of a corner behind the tyres, drives onto the track when I apex, I'm in the pits.

I'm having a week off work and returned to LFS after a break so my driving is very rusty and laptimes are 1:34-35 with the occasional dip into the 1:33s. The crc and ccuk servers have racers with similar laptimes so it makes for some good racing but any door handling into corners causes instant pitlane.

I am a curtious racer and was attracted to the crc server for some civility and I admire your efforts, I am simply trying to let you know that as a user, the pitlane thing causes more problems that it solves and is driving the good but clumsy racers away. Please take into consideration what filur, NotAnIllusion, B2B@300, Bluestream, Christofire and I have said in this thread.

[tristancliffe]

I don't know this 'anti-wrecker app' but it sounds bloomin' awful...

[robt]

Try going in the server undercover when no admin is on and see what happens.

I do and its always fine.
yes the pitlane thing has problems, but i kind of know what these are.
Think of it this way, if nobody reaserches and tests it, how will it get developed?

but as we say when we are in server, if there is trouble go to www.cleanracersclub.org and tell us so in the shoutbox or in a post on the forum, and we will sort it out.

[filur]

I don't know this 'anti-wrecker app' but it sounds bloomin' awful...

It simply looks at how much the angle/heading of your car is changing during a set amount of time / cycles, and think's you've
crashed/wrecked if a threshold is reached (mkinnov8 talks of tweaking, threshold is the tweakable part).

Thing is, wrecking can happen without spins, spins can happen without wrecking, there's no way ever to find a good threshold.
I've been wrecked and spun a thousand times in demo and when i wanted to go to pits i pressed my go-to-pits button, most
times you're perfectly able to rejoin a race, safely even.

Shouldn't a CRC server promote (new?) racers to learn things, for example, re-joining a race safely?
There just isn't any way of detecting "wreckage", there's no way of even in the most obvious crashes to by using insim telling
who's to blame, and this system is excellent for sending innocent racers to the pits, probably getting their race ruined even
more then just being off track a bit / spun whatever.

Someone should comment my fine idea about temporary password'ing :)

Edit:
Think of it this way, if nobody reaserches and tests it, how will it get developed?

If you read the insim documentation and think about what kind of information you can actually retrieve from lfs, it's
really not very hard to realize this thing will not work.

[garph]

Draughting someone down the straight, they slam on the brakes, I'm in the pits.

First corner, get shunted from behind and hit someone, I'm in the pits.

Lose it anywhere, hit the barrier, I'm in the pits.

Wrecker waiting on the inside of a corner behind the tyres, drives onto the track when I apex, I'm in the pits.

.....good racing but any door handling into corners causes instant pitlane.


Dude I understand your frustration and we are listening I promise but all those things would have meant you'd probably have to pit anyway and a wrecker took you out as well!

You have to get hit pretty hard for it to trigger and to say any door handling causes it to pit you is a massive over statement, I raced last night and didn’t have a problem and I’ve seen people do 360’s and be ok.

But I know it does tend to pit the victim and not the problem causer. But it’s being tweaked and if in the end it really doesn’t work then it will be binned, but just give it some time please and see how it goes.

Let us know when your around racing and we’ll join you to prove it’s not all bad.

:thumb:

[garph]

Someone should comment my fine idea about temporary password'ing :)


The server really is admined a lot so it might not be too bad, but I just don't like the idea of passwording it.

[o000o]

Just left the server after many good races, some without admin there, the pitlane thing seems to have been toned down a lot, I only knew it was there when the odd racer got pitlaned.

It was fun, thx for listening. :)

[mkinnov8]

Just to let you know, the LFS Lapper InSim Application has been turned off for the moment, When its back on It will not have the "Pitlane" code turned on, so it will simply display PB's to drivers on the track.

I feel the way and circumstances in which it was switched off are wrong and that the application wasnt given a fair amount of time to be tried on the CRC server.

I have seen it working fine of other servers.

For the record, I wasnt Not listening earlier, I have some knowledge in the area and perhaps a little trust that I might have actually known what I was doing.

Thank you all for the OPINIONS expressed here.

[o000o]

Ok, you win, I'll go and race somewhere else and not bother your server again. I cannot see your logic at all over not allowing kicking or banning votes when there is no admin about and I can't be arsed to leave the game and go to your website everytime some retard starts wrecking.
Odd how last night was the only time I went in using the o000o name and admin arrived and kicked anyone messing about, but going undercover I never saw admin at all, ever. Maybe I am unlucky.

This afternoon (4-6pm), here are the last four replays:

mpr1 is obvious
mpr2 nicivsvi on his lap 3 takes out the leader
mpr3 nicivsvi all the time
mpr4 nicivsvi is joined by mark in their wrecking spree

Just watch as the good racers join then leave due to your non kick/ban policy and the once good reputation of the crc is trashed.

pfft

[mkinnov8]

Excuse me?

My reply was to inform everyone that YOU had won and the LFS Lapper Add On was removed. If it was to be restarted again the part that sends people to the pits would be removed.

I didnt win anything, nor did I come here to win, nor can I be on the server, nor should I be expected to all the time.

For your interest, there is CURRENTLY a poll ongoing on the CRC Website, to decide on a plan of action for allowing voting on the server. There was NO NEED for that previous post.

[Christofire]

mkinnov8,

As a server admin in a different game, please let me pass my thoughts on to you.

Your posts in this thread haven't come across as open and receptive. You seem to be very sure in the course you/CRC is taking, and are dismissive of any ideas that the contributors have offered. For the vast majority, the posts in this thread have offered constructive criticsm.

The problem in admining any game server is to keep the playing field as level as possible, and the atmosphere true to the spirit of the game. For my admin work there is also a voting system. The way we work it is that any team member can immediately vote off a rogue player, and we ask anyone that joins not to vote while there are team members present. When there is no-one to control the game, the players police themselves.

In any other demo server I've played on, the voting system is abused less often than wreckers cause a server to empty. As much as I appreciate your efforts to run a clean server, I will be using other server as I will not play on a server where I cannot do anything about a wrecker.

I have to either wait for the wrecker to get bored and leave, go and find another server, or quit out, start a web browser, find your website, report the problem and wait for someone to show up. I wouldn't expect you to get a lot of demo players to do that, and as much as you may have your website displayed in the server, I don't know what the address is.

We are trying to help, but we cannot help if you will not listen. If you cannot take constructive criticsm then I would recommend you don't bother with a demo server at all.

[SamH]

WTF? :pillepall

CRC have listened and acted accordingly. The add-on is gone. What's with the ongoing criticism??

o000o and Christofire, listen for goodness' sake. It's done. Finished. Kaput. THE ADD-ON IS GONE.

As for not listening to constructive criticism, if you'd kindly read this thread to its conclusion, you will see plainly that there's absolutely no basis for levelling that complaint.

[Christofire]

I'm not complaining about anything, I was only trying to help by giving you a viewpoint from a normal demo player (the target audience for your demo server?) who understands the pressures of being a server admin, and the difficulty of balancing the enforcement of rules and general fun.

I'll again echo a sentiment put in most of the criticsising posts - I'm grateful for you guys putting the server up, and your efforts to promote clean racing. I was only trying to help. :( Criticism isn't a bad thing - if people didn't tell you what they thought was wrong then it wouldn't give you a chance to make your server better, and it would not be popular. I will leave this topic to yourselves from now on.

Oh, and if you'd read my post fully you'd see that I was talking about the lack of voting. :thumb: :pillepall

[Serpentine]

...Oh, and if you'd read my post fully you'd see that I was talking about the lack of voting. :thumb: :pillepall


And if you'd read Stoney's (mkinnov8) post fully you'd have seen that he had instigated a poll on the CRC website.

Not only is he listening to constructive criticism, he's also soliciting the community's opinion of what to do about it.

Serp.

[o000o]

yeah, a vote is whats needed to find out if what people are saying is the right thing top do. *rolls eyes*

Nice try Christofire but consider yourself scolded. I didn't expect aggression when I started this, but now I'm chuckling as it feels like I'm in an episode of Faulty towers.


Oh, and if you'd read my post fully you'd see that I was talking about the lack of voting.

Me too in post #35, for some odd reason any talk of this is met by "we removed the pitlane thing already, go away".

I've moved on and don't care, I'm only posting this for my own amusement.

[Serpentine]

Aggression? Good grief! Where did you get that from?

What's wrong with polling people's opinion? Some in this thread suggested passwording the server, some (including yourself) advocate implementing voting. Only a few people posted in this thread - a poll will elicit a wider view.

Is it because your option wasn't instantly accepted you go all sarcastic?

Now it's my turn to roll my eyes! :rolleyes2

Serp.

[mkinnov8]

Thank you guys for the Support, to say we havent listened is er well...

You can now vote to kick and ban on the server when there is no admin.
The "Pit Mod" no longer sends people to the pits.

We are polling our community on the next course of action.

Are you angry because it wasnt done in the first place, or because we didnt just fall over, either way, there server is there to be used, its still admined almost around the clock and lastly, bring your ideas to the CRC Website, let the others comment too.

Cya on the track! (in the CRC Server or not)

[IDUI]

My appologies if this has been already stated, as I don't have time to read the entire thread. The Fusion server has one thing unique to other demo servers: no joining during race. This could potentially be boring the wreckers. On the other hand it coud simply be that the server is so popular it's hard to connect and so the wreckers don't find their way in that often. Still the no join during race could be contibuting to curbing wrecking behavior. :shrug:

[mkinnov8]

Hi,

Its not unique, but its not a well used feature, I must say Fusion is getting a lot of good stuff written about it, I can never get in there!.

No Midrace Join is the next thing we are looking at :thumb:

Thanks for the suggestion. :)

[Gentlefoot]

I visited this server for the first time on Saturday. There were no admins there but the racing wasn't too much worse than S2 servers. No deliberate wrecking going on.

On one occasion a car was left on the racing line after an accident. When I came round for another lap and he was still there I stopped and pushed him onto the side of the track, started a vote and he was banned. No problem there.

Didn't notice the anti-wrecker insim app. No problems with that either from my poiint-of-view. Didn't even know it was there.

Also, you have to remember some people on demo don't know what buttons to press to pit and stuff. I was specatating when I saw a guy stranded on the straight. I asked him to move off the racing line and he did. I could see his car was broken and he was trying to move so I sent him a message saying 'SHIFT-S'. He pitted straight away. Clearly he was new to the game and was experimenting but nothing deliberate I don't think. I was very sad to see him get banned a coupe of races later. Didn't see what happened but I doubt he would have deserved a ban.

All in all I had a fun time in there. Well done CRC!

[mkinnov8]

I was very sad to see him get banned a coupe of races later. Didn't see what happened but I doubt he would have deserved a ban.

Which is why I was relunctant to allow voting for kick and ban functions when an admin is not there, also, newer demo races dont understand what a vote is or what it does. Two admins and Myself witnessed this last night.

Yep the "wreaker mod" has been off for a while

[v4forlife]

your all stupid heads, and im gonna ban everyone!!!


j/k....tbh, my personal view is that if your fed up of wreckers, then save up and buy s2.
ive tried the demo server, but there are s2 servers with the demo setup on it, so i aint too bothered with it.

my opinion, if ya dont like it, then poo too yoo.....lol, oh, and dont get a creative zen touch mp3 player...pieces of crap.

[SamH]

my opinion, if ya dont like it, then poo too yoo.....lol, oh, and dont get a creative zen touch mp3 player...pieces of crap.

I think many of us feel a strong desire to assume the role of ambassador for LFS. We want people to like it, like we do. This is why the Demo servers are things we want to be right. They're our best means to attract new S2ers, and assure good racing for the future.

Thanks for the heads-up about the creative zen.:thumb:

[MyBoss]

Yeah, I'm not going to buy anything from creative anymore. Crap mp3 players

[biggles]

creative zen touch mp3 are great. Never had any trouble with my 40Gig. Better than the apple stuff..

[v4forlife]

correct, much better than apples crap i(mage)-pod, but the customer service is crap, when i tried to make a playlist and export it, my player disconnected and froze...everytime. and now this fiasco(see the CRC site if you want more info) with it uninstalling the firmware and now uploading new firmware, turining it into a 200 quid paperweight....pisses me off.
i think ill get a sony one...my brothers mate ahs a very good one, and actually comes WITH decent headphones.

[Jakg]

my Zen Touch works well, albeit every now and again!

[bbman]

iRiver is still the way to go if you want really good audio quality... ;)

[Gentlefoot]

Surely good audio quality mp3 player is a contradiction in terms. There's no such thing as a high quality mp3 file is there?

[MyBoss]

I can make one

[Gentlefoot]

Mp3 files use 'loss compression' though. For that reason they will always be inferior to CD and vinyl.

[mkinnov8]

LOL go learn your MPx's!

MP7 is the future :thumb:

[bbman]

Surely good audio quality mp3 player is a contradiction in terms. There's no such thing as a high quality mp3 file is there?
Nope, good quality is something even .mp3s can have... But it needs to be AT LEAST 192 kb/s... Anything under this level just sounds awful, 365 (or was it 360?) kb/s are pretty good, there isn't really much lost... If you can hear a difference at this level, hats off to you...

I prefer .ogg anyway, which is a codec the iRivers can play, and it's way ahead of .mp3s... And for all those who want lossless codec only, the H120 can handle .asf too...

What makes the iRivers so good is the signal output level, which is way better than those iPods and others...

We are a little bit far OT, aren't we? :D

[filur]

Nope, good quality is something even .mp3s can have... But it needs to be AT LEAST 192 kb/s... Anything under this level just sounds awful, 365 (or was it 360?) kb/s are pretty good, there isn't really much lost... If you can hear a difference at this level, hats off to you...

It doesn't matter which bitrate you encode an mp3 to, it's a lossy format that gets rid of audio data to save space. If you can hear it or not isn't the question.
Highest quality mp3 is still only at about ~23% of original bandwidth, needless to say some bits have gone missing.
Mp3 or one of it's lossy alternatives is basically the final resting ground for any produced audio, the lowest form of existance. Doesn't mean it can't sound great tho :)

[farcar]

For the record, I had a few great races on CRC Demo (admin'd) this arvo.
Kudos to you blokes for running a demo server that has good admins there most of the time :thumb:.

[Dizman]

Hey all, just a quick note on the Fusion server...

The server is now private and only 1.32.99 or better (some exceptions of course) racers can get the pass, we had no choice but to do this after a few morons thought it would be fun to start using our nick's and crashing on our and other servers.

If you don't already have the pass then drop us a line at our forums www.fusionracing.tk (http://www.fusionracing.tk) and give your lfsworld.net nick to us and we'll send you the pass through lfsworld.net.

We're sorry about the inconvenience but we don't have a choice at the moment until the server follows the team to s2 in the next couple of months.