2hr Test/Qualifying Event: Race Discussion & Penalties

[DeadWolfBones]

Qualifying Replay (http://files.filefront.com/BL1+qual+30M+23R+28Qmpr/;13157312;/fileinfo.html)

Race Replay (http://files.filefront.com/BL1+race+10L+2R+25Fmpr/;13157310;/fileinfo.html)

[BenjiMC]

Attached are the qualifying results.
http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=77039&stc=1&d=1233427066

04 and 10 will recieve a DT for chat.
25 Will recieve a DT for cutting the pit exit.

These will be assessed at the race start by these teams starting at the back.

[J@tko]

Car Numbers: 19+20
Lap/Time: Lap 10 (we think); 12:50
Description of incident with link to video or mprEdited (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34419) replay download:
Car that is 3 laps behind rams into the #20 at T1. Causes damage. Replay coming at end of stint.


:thumb:

[Diego_Argentina]

Car Numbers: 01+03
Lap/Time: Lap 18 (we think)
Description of incident: push from behind in the last corner. Losing 20 positions and causing damage.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

Sorry, but where can I contact the race admins?

[boothy]

Read the rules? http://www.lfsigtc.net/rules/rules.html#p

[foofighter]

well, just had a disconnect... my first one since a long time. looks loke we lost nearly a lap. though, it was a lot of fun ;)

[GabbO]

Hi guys!
Just got out of the car, was a great race.
Sadly some drivers did not understand what endurance means and drive really agressive (even tough its only 2 hours), but nevertheless... Besides some unnecessary contacts was a really fair and packing race, good duels.

EDIT:
a shame andre, i saw it.. you didn't deserved it, drove a good race (as far i heard :) )

[Dragonmen]

this is funny race! :D

soooo funny! :thumb:

Come on let see how will they go under SC again! :tilt:

[Mp3 Astra]

What did I miss?

[DeadWolfBones]

Penalties will not be assigned due to protests during this race, but will be factored into our decisions regarding which teams get in. So if you have a complaint still make it.

[Dragonmen]

What did I miss?


So many funny moments :D

I have to watch the race with mpr later...
To name some (and I did miss the start, there have to be more):
- SC funny period, but generally good behavior
- F1RST having 2 cars on track at same time due disconnection
- so many blue flag passes and not so easy passes
- crashing in pit by unknown author :tilt:
...etc...

[Dragonmen]

looks like some people do not know when is the race finish in enduro racing? :scratchch

[SasekPL]

What can i say?
Race very unfortunate for our team. Guru climb up to 5th place then lead for 2 laps, when drivers get to pits. And then was my turn. Drive well on 5th place. And then what happened? My internet connection gone wild. 3 DC on 28 laps... I am very unhappy about this...
BTW. It was fun racing with you, thanks!

[Easy_Mike]

will full replay be official thru forum somewere?

[GuRu_PL]

Race very unfortunate for our team. Guru climb up to 5th place then lead for 2 laps, when drivers get to pits.



4th place, not 5th ^^ after my pitstop, you was on 4th position :) For me race was very good but after my pit, Sasek`s turn wasnt the same good as my...So, Cya next year in test race :)

[niall09]

looks like some people do not know when is the race finish in enduro racing? :scratchch

Ya, I saw that at the end, I was lmao :D

[J@tko]

Wow, what an excellent race (ish)

Timo - many thanks for bringing us from the brink of NDR epic failure to gain a pretty damn respectable position :thumb:

I hope my constant ramblings over vent were helpful :)

And I hope you weren't too shocked when I told you I'd actually already worked out fuel levels :D

The race for us was not bad. Thilo got a solid start but had some issues with a spin and some contact, I then went to dinner so Timo took the reins, apparently Yann had some issues so could only do a short stint :(

Then our man Timo got in the car, was consistently quick (ish :P) as well as staying out of trouble. Overtook lots of cars, came into the pits for the stop and overtook yet more cars :)

AND overtook the #31 with one lap to go - great stuff mate :thumb:

Many thanks to all the members of SDF for the setup work, to the admins for putting it on, but GTFO to deko for not causing an SC when we wanted it :tilt:

We very much hope to see you all again at some point in the IGTC series

J@tko
Team Liver Sausage.

[GreyBull [CHA]]

The race for us was not bad. Thilo got a solid start but had some issues with a spin and some contact, I then went to dinner so Timo took the reins, apparently Yann had some issues so could only do a short stint :(
.

Yes, I had massive issues with my controler.:( It made me crash, so then I decided to give the car to Timo.

[indie]

Hey

It was a nice race, i like the start procedure and the SC, very well accomplished.
The race started not so good for us, but with ease and a steady pace we were able to gain a few positions from our qualifying position.
It's good to be back in competition :tilt:

[nesrulz]

Great stint for me, and good race for SERT! :nod:

Grats to the winners! :thumb:

[NelsonGPV]

Good race in general for the Team, However we found some cars under blue flag who lead us to loose important seconds.

We look forward to be part of the season.
:thumb:

[J@tko]

Oh yes Mr Ward and Mr O'Keefe - I see you've been calculating your driver distance very well :smileypul

[kaynd]

looks like some people do not know when is the race finish in enduro racing? :scratchch

Looks like people do mistakes and get confused when they do not read carefully messages that state.
"Stop at T1 when you finish" and "Don’t do any extra laps."
After that it takes just some team mates saying through the “team radio” that you have to stop etc etc…
All this combined with the fact that the cars that where in front of me stopped, made me want to stop and think about it.:tilt: But I didn’t check the drivers list fast enough… 10second later I disappeared from the track and got the “did not finish” message.

Well it might sound funny but that doesn’t mean I don’t know when a racing event like that ends.

[BenjiMC]

will full replay be official thru forum somewere?
uploading right now.

[luki97]

What can i say?
Race very unfortunate for our team. Guru climb up to 5th place then lead for 2 laps, when drivers get to pits. And then was my turn. Drive well on 5th place. And then what happened? My internet connection gone wild. 3 DC on 28 laps... I am very unhappy about this...
BTW. It was fun racing with you, thanks!


Yeah, thats very unfortunate for us... but dont worry Sas sometimes that happens:thumb:.

So, Cya next year in test race :)

I have a quiet hope we will see in this year in next race:nod:.

[Gil07]

If you don't get in, you'll be put on the waiting list, which means you still have a pretty good chance to drive (if you're high up that list) ;)

[niels1]

Although RSR had some problems during race with disconnects I do like to thank the organizers. From what I have seen, didnt raced myself due to real life commitmend it was overall very clean and very well organised.

On behave of the drivers from RSR Thanks guys :thumb:

And if we make it or not into the series we learned a lot. Already made a new checklist. :)

[Isehwurscht]

Nice Race but with some Chaos in the first rounds and with the SC.
On the Startlap i was hit some times from behind and when the green flag was rising i got ah full impakt from behind. So i cant drive my pace.
After my Pitstopin begins the next SC vases and the Chaos continue.
Some Driver overtock in SC Time.....

On the end of my stint i can drive my Race times and Pirringer thakes the car.

After all of that i hope our Team is in.
Hope we See us again!

@Edit:
Now watch the Replay
So its me that hit someone and get into the wall because of ah lag or ah bug.
Sorry for that!!

[XmaX]

For our 1 Race in the Team was it funny, too. But in the start Dennis had 2 DC's :( So we "started" at the last place. In my turn i had a nice fight with A.Rouque (When i writed wrong, sorry), maybe not hard for him but i liked it (Sorry that i shoot you bit out).
I hope we are qualificated but i dont think so :(
Thanks for the Race, Max and rJ Team :) Greetings from Germany

P.S. Some of you give "fast-drving" lessons for free :P :P ?

[BenjiMC]

Added replays to the first post.

[jwardy]

Oh yes Mr Ward and Mr O'Keefe - I see you've been calculating your driver distance very well :smileypul
We had other issues , i got back from work late and jumped into the car on a sprint setup and did the full hour , and my team mate couldent drive it soo i swapped back after he did his 25 % race distance :thumb:

[Dragonmen]

Looks like people do mistakes ...

I was not talking about GVR only, there were others, don't worry.

I think you did a very good job in FZR (although you do not race it in MoE) :thumb:

My compliments go to #02 Estonian Endurance Racers and #23 Telmex-VTR-PER for a great result and great fight to the finish. I'm impressed, keep on!

Not to mention all teams that I expected to do well, I would just like to add that #01 Brazilian Racers Team did very well to! #29 Swedish Close Combat Squad with 3 stint / 2 stop showing their drivers was also pretty good. The result is not important but showing that you have capable drivers and understand the rules, that, by my opinion, you did show.

Good race for SERT (congrats :thumbsup:), but on the other hand not so good for SerbianRacers, and they were close in qual... I've expected them both high but don't know what happened.
Looking for mpr, because I've missed start :shrug:

Maybe some teams took this qual race for granted, not doing their best, which is shame...

I had my 9 teams in my head that I thought will be accepted, but after this race the list is changed.

[[DR]Fogo]

Car Numbers: 01+03
Lap/Time: Lap 18 (we think)
Description of incident: push from behind in the last corner. Losing 20 positions and causing damage.


Hello, fellow
look my replay and you will see not hear ringing, you hear there was only one lag.
look at the camera with sand on top

Replay :
http://rapidshare.com/files/192218440/01_03_clean.rar.html

[Gil07]

I saw that one live, looked like an unlucky laghit :(

[foofighter]

Car Numbers: 07 + 15
Lap/Time: Lap 18 / chicane
Description: Replay attached

[Kirill.D]

Hey !

02 Estonian Endurance Racers want's to thank all for a good and fair race. Thank You to Dragonmen for kind words.

We'll hope to see You all in league !


Best Regards, Kirill.D.
Estonian Endurance Racers leader

[Easy_Mike]

............#29 Swedish Close Combat Squad with 3 stint / 2 stop showing their drivers was also pretty good. The result is not important but showing that you have capable drivers and understand the rules, that, by my opinion, you did show.

............

small correction my friend. #29 Swedish Close Combat Squad did 4 stint / 3 stop. the only team with 4 drivers in the race i think.
I still as a team manager take this as a good thing.to get feedback in the forum.

we also did misstakes but manly small, the biggest problem was to qalculate (speeling?) fuel etc.

had great fun and like to drive som more.:thumb:

[Dragonmen]

small correction my friend. #29 Swedish Close Combat Squad did 4 stint / 3 stop. the only team with 4 drivers in the race i think.
I still as a team manager take this as a good thing.to get feedback in the forum.

we also did misstakes but manly small, the biggest problem was to qalculate (speeling?) fuel etc.

had great fun and like to drive som more.:thumb:

The word you are trying to find is calculate :tilt:

even more impressive if you did it with 4 drivers! :thumb:

@ #02 EER > you are on my new list, but I'm not organizer of this series so that does not count :shrug: I would like to see you in league.

[Tomhah]

Phew, Im glad I didnt do any mistakes today :)
Adelin Demetrius was supposed to drive the second stint but he had problem with his wheel (the PC. His wheel "disconnected" from the PC every lap), so I had drive, and I was coming from the H2H series with the UF1, so it was very difficult. UF1 to FZR is not easy, trust me :) But I did okey, I didnt hit anyone and I let everyone a lot of space when I had blue flag etc, and that was our/my goal too. To just finish the race without causing any problems and following the rules. I finished the race 12th which isnt that bad :)

[AleBerB]

Fogo;1060212']Hello, fellow
look my replay and you will see not hear ringing, you hear there was only one lag.
look at the camera with sand on top

Replay :
http://rapidshare.com/files/192218440/01_03_clean.rar.html

if indeed it was lag, thanks for the replay Fogo and withdrew the objection
:thumb:

[JBiturbo]

Hello racers, im not the team leader, but i will speak in the name of KARMA RACING team.

Yesterday's race was very unfortunate for us. Our first driver , Rui Gonçalves , had major problems with his internet connection. And then our stand-by driver, Hugo Marques, also had connection problems too... It was very unlucky, cause this rarely happens!

Anyways, both our drivers complained about bad behavior from some pilots...we are not pointing fingers to anyone, but it seems there was litle mutual respect in-track....no fairplay....

Well, the merging of those two problems made our pilots decide to finish the race earlier.

I know this may cause our team not to be picked, and if thats the case, no hard feelings ;) , but our team is recent, and we have been training alot! We are getting better by the day, and we already proved we take this serious :thumb: Its was a shame what happened, but there was nothing we could do...:shrug:

[NelsonGPV]

My compliments go to #02 Estonian Endurance Racers and #23 Telmex-VTR-PER for a great result and great fight to the finish. I'm impressed, keep on!


Thanks dude, last laps, kept us holding our breath several times.
:thumb:

[GabbO]

My compliments go to #02 Estonian Endurance Racers and #23 Telmex-VTR-PER for a great result and great fight to the finish. I'm impressed, keep on!

Yes, it was a great fight, we were for 40 minutes chasing Ferrari and Fredrikkson, but couldn't get close enough due our 2nd driver struggled with the damage recieved from another car. We hoped you may have a little conflict so we can still get you :x :shy:

About the disconnects: there were far too many in this event, so it looked like a general problem for the day.. Very sad, as this race was important for so many people.

[Fuse5]

About the disconnects: there were far too many in this event, so it looked like a general problem for the day.. Very sad, as this race was important for so many people.

And as stated already, the results of this race, and the exact positions won't immediately decide if you get in or not.

[GabbO]

I'm aware of that. That's just a statement

[foofighter]

Hey Gabbo! Nice to see you racing GTR's!

I think there are a lot more teams who deserved a slot then those 9 who will be taken. Well, we hope at least that we gain a good position on the waiting list :nod:

[GabbO]

Well, who said i only race big SS cars? :scratchch
Anyways, good to see you again

[J@tko]

OK This is SDF Race Report Version 2 :tilt:

Practice:
We didn't really do that much practice together as a team, due to a number of factors including not really having a server to practice on until a week before the event. Luckily the team were very self-motivated and without much prompting from me were happy to do some practice and get the set up to standard. Luckily the set we had was very good and in particular was kind on its tyres, which is vital around Blackwood as the tyres can take a bit of a pounding sometimes. Timo had got himself an excellent quali set and was comfortable with it :)

Qualifying:
Qualifying went very well for us. If you take into account the (in)balancing of the cars, Timo got the 8th fastest time. He got a new pb, and we started 15th, right in the middle of the pack, which we were all very happy with. We were also in a close bunch of 6 cars who were seperated by just 0.1 seconds.

Race:
The start went well for us. We got past 2 cars before T1 (well the other T1 :P) Thilo then had a couple of incidents, but otherwise had a good solid stint - just the way you want to start an endurance race. He then handed over to Yann, who could only do 6 laps as his mouse was messing up. By this time I was still having dinner (:hide:) but Timo got into the car and set off trying to make up for all the lost time. We seemed to be constantly overtaking the #3,#4 and #9 (Timo says sorry for the contact when he overtook you - I put that on IRC but I doubt any of you were there) and "That damned pink car" who we must have overtaken about 75 times during the race :D
And to top it all off we overtook the #31 car for 17th/19th (depending on whether you believe me or the tracker :P) place on the one but last lap :)

My thanks to all my team - I hope I was useful to you on vent, to the admins and all the peeps like that, maybe see you again.

Also I'd like to say how much I enjoyed last night - probably my second best LFS Experience (after the iTCC test race - but you'd do well to beat that!) and I'll certainly be doing some more team management in the future :thumbsup:

J@tko

[Mp3 Astra]

By this time I was still having dinner (:hide:)

WHY?!?!? It's always about freaking dinner with you... What the hell do you eat to make yourself miss out on so many events? It'd better be lovingly cooked scallops with caviar followed by roasted King Penguin with a whiskey sauce and peas grown by the Prince of Wales. Crikey mate, just ask your family to put it in the oven on low heat so you can eat it later.

[J@tko]

WHY?!?!? It's always about freaking dinner with you... What the hell do you eat to make yourself miss out on so many events? It'd better be lovingly cooked scallops with caviar followed by roasted King Penguin with a whiskey sauce and peas grown by the Prince of Wales. Crikey mate, just ask your family to put it in the oven on low heat so you can eat it later.
Yes it was lovely thank you :D

At least I'm not as bad as Michael... :tilt:

[TFalke55]

WHY?!?!? It's always about freaking dinner with you... What the hell do you eat to make yourself miss out on so many events? It'd better be lovingly cooked scallops with caviar followed by roasted King Penguin with a whiskey sauce and peas grown by the Prince of Wales. Crikey mate, just ask your family to put it in the oven on low heat so you can eat it later.

:D sounds like british food to me

[racer hero]

Oh yes Mr Ward and Mr O'Keefe - I see you've been calculating your driver distance very well :smileypul

I drove an hour and 30 minutes and Tommy did 30 minutes when he was done at H2H..

[J@tko]

I drove an hour and 30 minutes and Tommy did 30 minutes when he was done at H2H..
TBH I was actually referring to the tracker (http://www.mastersofendurance.eu/tracker/?page=tracker)and the 75% rule :smileypul

Also interesting how the tracker seems to think we're the only car in the 3rd sector at the moment :tilt:

EDIT: Can we have extra brownie points for being the first team ever to have a driver compete in an endurance race wearing a tuxedo? :D

[DJOLE 011]

only to be seen how should not be driving
car # 09 L. Junior under the blue flag in accident with car # 22 G. Djordjevic on 3 place in lap 54 (99) sector 3 :( ...

download (http://rapidshare.com/files/192472678/IGTC-sudar-u_99.mpr.html)

[Booschie]

A piece from #25 Advanced Drivers now :)

We practiced moderately hard for the event, at least so we think. We had a diversified roster with each driver having the upper hand over the other two in some aspect and our race set was great as well. We want to thank the ZION and Lublin-Muroc teams for joint practice :fence: Below follows our story.

On race day, so soon as we illegally went into posession of the server password, we were able to join the event in which we had high hopes. As it turned out later, our hopes were far too high :) Zamer qualified very well, in 7th position, though he had hoped for a better time (like many others). Our frustration started with a drive-through for cutting the pit exit lines during quali. We can't deny our fault, but we don't understand why we were the only one of a few teams doing this that got a penalty. We just don't like the inconsistency and a really low low cut-detection threshold, but there's nothing we can do – we cut and we're punished and nobody said that everyone must be punished – only those caught.

OK, Dominik is on the grid with some really low number of fps (first time with so many cars ahead) and as the cars begin to roll, he encounters some problems with evaluating distance and speed of the cars ahead, knocking a few in the back – sorry guys, this was the matter of fps, not our driver's bad intentions or clumsiness. All of a sudden, we realize we still have the R2s on (the DT made our brains fade) and so we pit and join the rear end.

The race is constantly giving us more reasons for frustration. Cars at the back of the grid lose control every now and then, making us lose these few places that Dominik made up the laps before. Due to this, we are experiencing multiple deja vu-s, swapping places with „that damn orange FXR” ;). Zamer also spins one car in chicane 1, but this is again due to low fps – big sorry to the RSR team :schwitz:

On lap 26, Zamer's G25 decides to give the shifter some holiday treatment as he tries to slide into T1. A safety car follows and this is it for us. :ambulance Congratulations to all those who finished! :checkered

At least we will be remembered as "that damned pink car", so, in some way, our race was a marketing success :)

[XmaX]

Question: How much teams can qualificate ?

Max

[J@tko]

Question: How much teams can qualificate ?

Max
I think it's 9 Teams from this qualification race. The rest go in order on the Waiting List :thumb:

(And if there's any truly hopeless teams then they don't go on the list at all :))

[srdjanmilasinovic]

I just want to say, GREAT work ADMIN's and great RACE for all teams.

It's not easy job to pick 9 teams for IGTC. Teams I wish you a lot a luck to enter in IGTC.


See you at track!

With regards,
Srdjan VAMPIRE Milasinovic
Founder of SHDTeam

[evilpimp]

TBH I was actually referring to the tracker (http://www.mastersofendurance.eu/tracker/?page=tracker)and the 75% rule :smileypul

Also interesting how the tracker seems to think we're the only car in the 3rd sector at the moment :tilt:

EDIT: Can we have extra brownie points for being the first team ever to have a driver compete in an endurance race wearing a tuxedo? :D

Lol yeah 74.5%. Perfect. xD

[J@tko]

Lol yeah 74.5%. Perfect. xD
Mr Ward : 75% :tilt:

[jwardy]

mr ward : 75% :tilt:

:d

[HL_Nano]

Thank IGTC for allowing us to join in this event. We really enjoyed.

Success for all teams, just wait for the decision.



... and #9 (Timo says sorry for the contact when he overtook you - I put that on IRC but I doubt any of you were there)

J@tko



Don't worry about that :thumb:


only to be seen how should not be driving

car # 09 L. Junior under the blue flag in accident with car # 22 G. Djordjevic on 3 place in lap 54 (99) sector 3 :( ...

download (http://rapidshare.com/files/192472678/IGTC-sudar-u_99.mpr.html)

We realy sorry. Júnior has had an off track and maybe that influenced the maneuver.
Anyway sorry :(

[DJOLE 011]

We realy sorry. Júnior has had an off track and maybe that influenced the maneuver.
Anyway sorry :(

No problem. We do not complain, but only showed what happened-keep racing :shrug:

[Toddshooter]

Well RSR had an eventful race to say the least:)
After being involved in the start crash we needed to pit so Boogle could repair the car. In the pits we encountered a problem we have never seen in LFS before:( The game kept repairing and repairing and repairing the car. We finally had to instruct Boogle to disconnect and Jaybee joined up. This lost us a couple of laps:( After this the rest of the race was spent trying to gain some time back and not interfere with the racers laps up on us.
Very nice to compete in such a well organized event. And if we don't get in this year we now have a few more things on our "Race Preparation List." :thumb:

[GabbO]

[....] we encountered a problem we have never seen in LFS before:( The game kept repairing and repairing and repairing the car. [.....]

Well, this remembers me to an incident we had. We were up to pit and swap the drivers. Everything went fine, until... until the swap should happen. But nothing happened. I was still in control of the car, and drove off out spot. I already started yelling why has this to happen in such a race??? We did this hundred times before without problems. Then all the sudden near the pit exit i got kicked out of the car and i saw the car in the TV camera scracthing along the barrier. What the f***? Then the car accelerated and I realized that Trekker took it over. He was most propably smashing his wheel and swearing and got totally surprised about the sudden switch :D. We were totally fuzzy for a lap or so :shy:. Most propably this happened because someone connecting/disconnecting in the same moment.

So, is that crazy enough? :smileypul

[DeadWolfBones]

Well, this remembers me to an incident we had. We were up to pit and swap the drivers. Everything went fine, until... until the swap should happen. But nothing happened. I was still in control of the car, and drove off out spot. I already started yelling why has this to happen in such a race??? We did this hundred times before without problems. Then all the sudden near the pit exit i got kicked out of the car and i saw the car in the TV camera scracthing along the barrier. What the f***? Then the car accelerated and I realized thet Trekker took it over. He was most propably smashing his wheel and swearing and got totally surprised about the sudden switch :D. We were totally fuzzy for a lap or so :shy:. Most propably this happened because someone connecting/disconnecting in the same moment.

So, is that crazy enough? :smileypul

Yeah, I've seen this happen before as well. Very odd, and probably lag-related.

[Toddshooter]

Well, this remembers me to an incident we had. We were up to pit and swap the drivers. Everything went fine, until... until the swap should happen. But nothing happened. I was still in control of the car, and drove off out spot. I already started yelling why has this to happen in such a race??? We did this hundred times before without problems. Then all the sudden near the pit exit i got kicked out of the car and i saw the car in the TV camera scracthing along the barrier. What the f***? Then the car accelerated and I realized thet Trekker took it over. He was most propably smashing his wheel and swearing and got totally surprised about the sudden switch :D. We were totally fuzzy for a lap or so :shy:. Most propably this happened because someone connecting/disconnecting in the same moment.

So, is that crazy enough? :smileypul

Yes we have done hundreds of driver changes before and never an issue. But this damage repair hang up was a first:) Ah well you live and learn I guess.