OPTIONS (not cars) we wanna see in S3

[BlakjeKaas]

What do you guys would like to see in S3.
Like:working Wipers, Rain, Radio, Gear shift changes visible in cockpit (man shifts with hand), visible Odometer (that's the thing which measures the kilometres or miles you have driven right?), Damage (like NON bending but breaking glass :P, losing parts etc.), I want to see axles :P, suspension, No head through metal option, window opening, airco :P, airbags (VERY annoying :P)

p.s. if the first 2 things are implented, that's enough 4 me :D.

Good Luck Developers!

[mrodgers]

yes, yes, no, no, yes, yes, yes, yes, is that airconditioning? Why?, no.

[the_angry_angel]

Good Luck Developers! :Looking_a Perhaps that should be good luck BlakjeKaas with a thread like this?

To be honest, yes and yes, but they've come up before, and like the rest are just natural progressions for the sim.

[Shotglass]

if lfs ever gets good enough to simulate dirt carried onto the track by cars that went off and rejoined the race id like to have a pitspotter telling me roughly where on the track ill have to watch out for dirt (same for oil etc)

[Hyperactive]

Radio? Uhm, no.

[modenaf1]

Honestly, radio and airconditioning is neat, and it makes this sim more of a sim, but I think there are other nasty un-simlike (almost needforspeed like)things about the game which need to be fixed. It all deals with the so called "controller assists."

I think these should be dumped, as well as the automatic shifting.

Can't accelerate properly in a car? Tough, you need traction control. Want to drive a racecar in real life that doesn't have TC? Tough.

Can't accelerate in LFS? You should need traction controll to help you too. Want to drive the GTR's or the F08 or probably the XR GTI or UF1000? tough noogies.


Can't shift your own gears in real life? You gotta find a car available with an automatic.

Can't shift in LFS? You should have to do the same. A real automatic that upshifts when you lift off and has the torque converter effect as well.

I think ABS should also be offered, but I have gone over this too much already, just click the link in my sig and read that thread.





Any other things for S3? I would love to see weather, rain, snow (that would make it great for snow rallies, what about a frozen lake for frozen lake autoX's?), icing. I think there should be temperature affecting performance, tires, freezing of rain, etc. Maybe defrost and heater controls could come into play once it gets fancy? Wipers? Windsheild washer jets? Dirty spray from other cars?

How about mud sprayed up from other cars and your own car on a rally course?



Also, damage, but I already know the devs are improving this. (I'm pretty sure anyway).


Oh, and BRAKE TEMPERATURES ( affecting brake wear and brake fade!)and WEAR! Definitely.

Sometimes if you get them really got, they can even heat up the wheel and affect tire pressures as well?

Night racing?

[modenaf1]

Argh! I just typed out my thoughts on the clutch in LFS and how I thought it could get better and this damn quick reply greyed it out as I was typing, and when I was done it was like "please click on the damn thing from another post AGAIN" so I clicked it and it wiped out what I typed. Oh well..Vbulletin..heh...figures.

[wheel4hummer]

On a more serious note, I would like adjustment of AA/AF.

[MoonForce]

kay, lets roll :thumb:

first, i think most peopz cherish lfs for being most real simulation of real racing... so why not to go next step of it, make it more realistic.
that means to me:


* i start my suggestions with an "every player account", also for demo users, so that these crasher bastards will have a special nick like in s2 and so they easy can be prooved of being guilty (with replays f.ex.) and BANNED on LIFETIME (couz they will have to register with full name and adress)

* more complex damage
(if i crash the wall with 200km/h the car must be splittet into 100 parts or must be that destroyed u cant go ahead with racing. i would like this very much also f.ex. in a 30lap race. makes very exciting NOT to touch the wall or drife safely to survive. also would be cool to have some carparts on track when crashed which disapper within 30secs. thing is peopz know if they buy lfs that they want to buy a SIMULATION and not arcade and a simulation has to be most realistic as it can be)

* in general more reality gaming like no arcade autoshift, better a version like reallife with kickdown and stuff, think next step guys...

* a pitspotter and/or radio (turn on/off option)
(very usefull to get information bout tires and fuel and possible danger on track via voice, so u just need to listen and not read stuff on screen while trying to race best laps :) )

* some racemanager controls
(i would combine the functions like the tools lfs lapper and racemanager already have into new server systems in s3. additional some more race control options for host of server maybe more punishment styles or more easy to use interface.)

* some safetycar would be funny that races like slow AI till the crashed car (thats out of funtion) is cleaned from track maybe via crane :D


* car sounds could be better esp the tyre sounds, not THAT much realistic, but i am optimistic for the future... :smileypul

* i dont care the minimal menus in lfs, i like em :thumbsup: i dont want that much animation and stuff like in gtr or dtm racer :) easy and fast - GOOD BOY LFS!


* more special tracks, cars, conditions(rain, snow, nightrace), dynamic weather,... lots of things possible, but lfs guys are not a 200 guy production team lol :shrug: but i will let me suprise :thumb:

thats the things i would like to see... and i personally think thats enuff. better few things more but they are very pro then , THAN loads of things that are buggy and useless... :scratchch :D in trance we trust guys

and guys never forget, if u race a racecar, u race a racecar and not a automatic shifting brake assisting undestuctable gamecar




KEEP ON RACING - LFS RULEZ

[BlakjeKaas]

Gear shift changes visible in cockpit (man shifts with hand)

I meant that, if you shift, it's visible in cockpit...
so not auto shifting...

kay, lets roll :thumb:
* more complex damage
(if i crash the wall with 200km/h the car must be splittet into 100 parts or must be that destroyed u cant go ahead with racing. i would like this very much also f.ex. in a 30lap race. makes very exciting NOT to touch the wall or drife safely to survive. also would be cool to have some carparts on track when crashed which disapper within 30secs. thing is peopz know if they buy lfs that they want to buy a SIMULATION and not arcade and a simulation has to be most realistic as it can be)


why in 30 sec...?
only if it's on places where it's not on the track they could disappear, but not if they are on the track,
oh, and if somebody got kicked/banned/going into pit, his parts must disappear too.

[Hyperactive]

Maybe the parts could disappear when there are no one to see it. So it feels more like there was someone who went and cleaned the track. Or have the parts to be there until to the end of the race rather than just sudden disappearance. M'kay?

[BlakjeKaas]

that's ok! :D

[MoonForce]

sure its better that parts are cleaned from track i think (i mean big parts :) like front bumper or whatever) ... like in real life, when guys from track clean parts of your car from track within some seconds ...

[Bigboosta]

I would like to see more tyre smoke, so when you are really smoking around, drifting, burnouts etc you get a massive hazy cloud of smoke rather than just a pissy little bit by the tyres.

[Cpl.Anger]

Private Messaging :thumb:

[Greboth]

I agree to the things stated above, they all would b good (apart from the radio and the air bags etc)

Especially liking the idea of parts falling off the car:thumb:

[Kostek]

- in-game private messaging
- an option for not downloading helmet skins
- server option to force no brake help and no throttle help
- disable brake and throttle help in hotlapping
-- maybe even disable automatic gearbox in hotlapping
- ban hybrid tyres from road tracks

In fact I'd love to see theese in S2 final.

As for S3:
- weather! (both fixed and dynamic)

Things mentioned before, like more complex damage, parts falling off, coplex brakes simulation, etc are just a matter of time, and IMO will be implemented.


But, for god's sake, dont tell me about radio, airbags and air conditioning.:pillepall Someone's going to suggest visual tuning in a minute... lol

[RevMonkey]

visual tuning! half in jest though.

just wheels. because the same car with the same rim gets boring...

but everything everyone else said here is same for me.


one thing i would LOVE to see is the unforseeable damages. in a race, if you abuse your gearbox, it'll fail. hell, sometimes it just fails because it does. i'd love to see that happen in this game. over rev a little too much, you get a piston through the head. i'd love to see fuel air mixture adjustment, clutch feather, clutch wear, all that good stuff...

[KeiichiRX7]

SURROUND SOUND

being able to hear where cars are in relation to you will make teh FOV problems a little less of a problem. Especially true on the oval, where you have cars racing just inches from each other.

[george_tsiros]

SURROUND SOUND

being able to hear where cars are in relation to you will make teh FOV problems a little less of a problem. Especially true on the oval, where you have cars racing just inches from each other.

Funny you should mention that, i got out of bed just to post this. I have a 6 speaker setup here with so much unused potential.

Having surround sound would be oh so great.

[inCogNito]

The most important option i want to see i a mandantory cockpit view option!

I know, many people are afraid of the topic and it usually ends in endless discussions.
But it's not about realism, it just about fairness!
I had a league race yesterday, and i flipped in my LX6. The windscreen was totally damaged and i could'nt see shit. The suspension was totally fine.
I had to pit because of the reduced sight.
Another driver had almost the same kind of accident. He is a between the tires driver, and could just proceed as if nothing had happened.

I don't think this option should be used on public servers, because it's not necessery there. But for serious league racing it is.
And i even think you should be able to lock any view. If there is a league where the most drivers and admins want to use helicopter view, they should be able to do so.
(so don't make this a CV vs. other views argument, it's just about same conditions for all drivers)

[Monkay]

HUGE BODY KITS, BIG ASS WINGS AND FAT CHROME!!!! YAYAYAYAYA

lol jk :P tho, being able to share dds file threw the NFS downloading thing(like for the skins) would be cool :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[MoonForce]

The most important option i want to see i a mandantory cockpit view option!

I know, many people are afraid of the topic and it usually ends in endless discussions.
But it's not about realism, it just about fairness!
I had a league race yesterday, and i flipped in my LX6. The windscreen was totally damaged and i could'nt see shit. The suspension was totally fine.
I had to pit because of the reduced sight.
Another driver had almost the same kind of accident. He is a between the tires driver, and could just proceed as if nothing had happened.

I don't think this option should be used on public servers, because it's not necessery there. But for serious league racing it is.
And i even think you should be able to lock any view. If there is a league where the most drivers and admins want to use helicopter view, they should be able to do so.
(so don't make this a CV vs. other views argument, it's just about same conditions for all drivers)

good idea. just with some "race controll" hoster he could watch who could not be able to normally go ahead with race and force him to pit, anyway idea is ok :)

personally i would like more realism than fairness, means if u crash u r out, like in real life... ;) just my personal position :D

[netsior]

Just two things:

1- a little aplication to help make setups, like Setup Analyser but integrated in the game

2- a real race start, not blocked, if you start before the green light you will have a drive through penalty

[B2B@300]

Just two things:

1- a little aplication to help make setups, like Setup Analyser but integrated in the game

2- a real race start, not blocked, if you start before the green light you will have a drive through penalty

Both have been mentioned several times before :tilt: but they are good ideas :smileypul

[jtr99]

Can I get a drinks holder in the FXO?

[Sternendaal]

HUGE BODY KITS, BIG ASS WINGS AND FAT CHROME!!!! YAYAYAYAYA

lol jk :P tho, being able to share dds file threw the NFS downloading thing(like for the skins) would be cool :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Or just buy NFS,then you're done.

[Monkay]

lol i was kidding :P NFS kinda sucks now anyways. totally lost focus. But I onestly think being able to have a custom car is really Cool I hate having the same old banger as the other guy, Like to overhear"Man you see monkay the other day? 'Ya he added a nice lip to his bumper' Kicked all tho's peoples ass' too!! I LOVE MONKAY!!!" ok, little over board but you get my drift. Being diffrent is good. :D

[mr grady]

The most important option i want to see i a mandantory cockpit view option!


I agree 100%

Some folks want to have their cake and eat it. They buy a racing "sim" because they want realism, but drive as if their head is between the front wheels or they are several feet above the back of the car!:pillepall

Im also with ModenaF1 on the topic of Tc and driver aids. There should be an option to turn these off if a private server requires it.

rant over,:x have a nice day!:D

[Lible]

1. With keyboard, it's almost impossible to drive incar, my view of choice is that 3-4 metres behind the car for keyboard.
2. Bad computers have alot better fps when driving "head between wheels"!

[mrodgers]

Some folks want to have their cake and eat it. They buy a racing "sim" because they want realism, but drive as if their head is between the front wheels or they are several feet above the back of the car!:pillepall
It's called, Frame Rate. Wheels view can be the difference between playing the game and just watching a slideshow of racing.


*Oops, didn't see that last post. He said the same thing.

[Ben-Pepito]

I like msot of the ideas posted, so i'm not going to suggest anything more.

[Chonder]

I don't know is this already said somwhere, but automatic transmission is not like in real car, it just shifts like manual. There should be P R N D 3 2 1 (maby depending the car)
And night track would be cool

[Eldanor]

Maybe some have been said, even in this thread, but these are what I would want:

- GPL/GTL style Pitboard (I like to drive with shift+f)
- Flag messages active in shift+f, or better, race marshals waving them
- Flase starts
- Brake fade & engine Temp

And I think this things should not wait until S3, some S2 patches would be great :)

[marsden1002]

Honestly, radio and airconditioning is neat, and it makes this sim more of a sim, but I think there are other nasty un-simlike (almost needforspeed like)things about the game which need to be fixed. It all deals with the so called "controller assists."

I think these should be dumped, as well as the automatic shifting.

Can't accelerate properly in a car? Tough, you need traction control. Want to drive a racecar in real life that doesn't have TC? Tough.

Can't accelerate in LFS? You should need traction controll to help you too. Want to drive the GTR's or the F08 or probably the XR GTI or UF1000? tough noogies.


Can't shift your own gears in real life? You gotta find a car available with an automatic.

Can't shift in LFS? You should have to do the same. A real automatic that upshifts when you lift off and has the torque converter effect as well.

I think ABS should also be offered, but I have gone over this too much already, just click the link in my sig and read that thread.





Any other things for S3? I would love to see weather, rain, snow (that would make it great for snow rallies, what about a frozen lake for frozen lake autoX's?), icing. I think there should be temperature affecting performance, tires, freezing of rain, etc. Maybe defrost and heater controls could come into play once it gets fancy? Wipers? Windsheild washer jets? Dirty spray from other cars?

How about mud sprayed up from other cars and your own car on a rally course?



Also, damage, but I already know the devs are improving this. (I'm pretty sure anyway).


Oh, and BRAKE TEMPERATURES ( affecting brake wear and brake fade!)and WEAR! Definitely.

Sometimes if you get them really got, they can even heat up the wheel and affect tire pressures as well?

Night racing?

i Agree. I think fully auto box would be good. We could then generate more servers ie auto only, and i think, would be good, as no game to my knoledge has a fully auto box with downshifts

[evenprime]

I want to have the ability to view a larger area when using the autocross editor. There ought to be an overhead view from a vantage point that is at least 215 meters above the ground.

[NickBW]

1)Make the autocross editor a lot easier to use and view as mentioned afew times above.
2)weather, different levels of rain, snow, and ice(mm rally!)
3)fix lowspeed traction issues
4)put the CD player faceplate back in the car. I feel like I have been jacked. :(

[george_tsiros]

4)put the CD player faceplate back in the car. I feel like I have been jacked. :(

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!!! lol

[boosterfire]

IMHO, all that was said is pointless cause we can't want anything from S3 as S2 isn't even out, yet. I mean... you guys don't even know what will be in S2 Full and you all start to talk about "omg! what will be S3 cars?? F50 I bet!!" or "hey what you think will be S3 options? I'd like contact with E.T's, personally." It's uselss to talk about something we don't know anything about, not even if it will really come on... one day, maybe before 2010 :x

[r4ptor]

I would like to see LfS move up to the next level.

We all agree on the fact that LfS tries to be a simulator - even if people just join for fun (doing other stuff than racing) it's still realistic - we don't have tons of options to degrade this level of realism.

But one major thing is lacking - consecvenses - I know the lack of consecvenses are one of the elements that makes computergames so popular, but I think something should be worked out as an option that can be switched on or off by the server admins.

I haven't been racing online for that long - maybe a year and a half or even two, but I noticed from the very beginning that lots of people are too willing to sabortage someones else game to theire own benefit - ramming beeing one of them.

I must admit I dont see this happening much in LfS, but it does occur - but at the same time I think most, or atleast some of them ,(in LfS), are just unaware about the racing rules.

Even though it doesn't occur as much as in some other racing games, it still occurs so often that I'm now beginning to back off entering turns - by that I mean back off when I'm at the racing line, while an opponent is way off the line and even behind me, but somehow people think the one who first reaches the corner has the right to do the move.

Thats not how it's supposed to be :(

This, amongst others, kind of behavior takes the fun out of a simulator - I know I can join leagues, but I don't always want that - leagues aren't the same as FFA games.

So I think LfS should have a licensing system - not software licensing ;) but driver/racing licenses - the concept could be similar to the current "Training" in LfS - But instead of unlocking the next vehicle, your result would (also) affect wich servers you can joing. As I mentioned - this should be an option, so server admins can decide for themselfs wether or not the server should dissalow players without the proper license.

The driver school should put theory into practical traing, where it covers the most important issues regarding racing - ie. cutting corners, racing lines, overtaking etc.

The goal isn't to breed the perfect racedriver, but to make the users more aware about the rules and how to behave.

The same is true for real life racing - you have to have license to prove you are of no danger to others and yourself - beside stating that you can actually compete or atleast drive in that class :)

Main reason for this is - exept that LfS is a simulator - that new gamers will show up every day (or something like that :) ), and they will have to spend some time online before they know how to properly behave on the tracks (I'm ofcourse only talking about gamers that don't know much about racing rules).

I don't know.. maybe I'm getting too serious about this - but the fact is that whenever a driver hits me, it really bothers me - I can somewhat deal with inexperinced drivers, as I can stay behind them in the beginning to avoid the typical start crashses etc, but experinced drivers (I would call them hotlappers) do it too - they tick me way more off.

I have more ideas on this, but I think I should stop now :)

[mikespeed95]

I agree 100%

Some folks want to have their cake and eat it. They buy a racing "sim" because they want realism, but drive as if their head is between the front wheels or they are several feet above the back of the car!:pillepall


I was just browsing this thread and saw this post and had to chime in.

Reality:
Racing a car, you have 5 feet by 2-3 feet of glass in front of you, with 2-3 inches of pillar, 2-3 inches of front downbar obstructing your veiw on drivers side. everything you see is track.

PC Sim:
you have a 17'' monitor your looking thru, and you are2-3' away from it. everything you see is the wall behind the computer, the poster behind it, the cd's on the shelf, the phone, the liscence plate frame, the krystal burger box, your keyboard, mouse, modem, empty cup of milk, cell phone, some change, and roughly a square foot of what your trygin to focus on. now take that small space of view and add in 30% of it being taken away by a dashboard you cant see/read anyways. that is not realism. if you have a projector on your wall with a bucket/wheel and air shocks moving it that is realism. but for the average gamer putting a dash and crap in front of you is a handicap. you already lost the feel, the noise, the air, the...everything about being in a car, dont take away the small amount of the one form of feedback you get which is sight by putting a stupid dashboard in the way of your already limited sight.

.02

my suggestions

couple drift cars with more steering angle, street tires, and ranging power levels, and more adjustable suspension.

maybe make some add ons like different wheels, a couple different body parts and smoe other ricer stuff so people can customize their cars. yes that stuff is gay in real life but im one of those people (as well as a lot of my freinds) who enjoy making our stuff look different and tacky since it is the internet and you'd never do it in real life. adds some fun and variation, and allows some creativity.

other than that ive been playing hte game for 3 days now, like it a lot. pretty realistic im just not able to figure out a couple things. but these are the things i would like to see improved, however after briefly skirmishing around this board i realize as someone who primarily plays this game to drift online with freinds i am the minority. but if these changes are simple to make it would help cater to the drifter crowd. mainly the more steering angle/suspension tuning.

[r4ptor]

Another suggestion: Clearing the track/leaving to pit

One of the areas in LfS I find very arcadish is the possibility to clear the track at once - and ultimatly rejoin the race - something bad happends... "oh, whatever.. i'll just shift+s and rejoin".

I wont focus on rejoining, but instead talk a bit about the leaving part.

Crashing is a part of racing. So clearing should also be part of it. I dislike the idea of crashing and within milliseconds or so you just hit shift+s and dissapear into the blue.

I would rather see this happening after... say 10 or 15 seconds before the car dissapears - no matter how early you pushed, you just have to wait and the racers still driving have to avoid you.

After the given time the car could dissapear like now, or.. better yet - the game uses this time to push the car away from the track, and then removes it entirely.

Please, don't mistake me for beeing a stunt car racer - I'm not - I just think being a racer also involves unforseen situations and the skill to avoid these.

Ultimatly there shouldn't be any crashes at all - but nobody is perfect.

[duke_toaster]

I disagree with all those who have posted against the current auto gearboxes. I myself am a reasonably new LFS driver (who got in to LFS after seeing it on RSC, where the GeneRally forums are located), and I hotlap on my own for practice using an auto.

A dyno feature would be helpful for drag setups.

[BlakjeKaas]

IMHO, all that was said is pointless cause we can't want anything from S3 as S2 isn't even out, yet. I mean... you guys don't even know what will be in S2 Full and you all start to talk about "omg! what will be S3 cars?? F50 I bet!!" or "hey what you think will be S3 options? I'd like contact with E.T's, personally." It's uselss to talk about something we don't know anything about, not even if it will really come on... one day, maybe before 2010 :x

ok, just pretend, the title says: OPTIONS (not cars) we wanna see in S2 FULL
ok? :D

[hideaki-san]

Nurburgring please! :D

http://nurburgring.org.uk/satellite_pic_named.jpg

[Hankstar]

my suggestions

couple drift cars with more steering angle, street tires, and ranging power levels, and more adjustable suspension.

maybe make some add ons like different wheels, a couple different body parts and smoe other ricer stuff so people can customize their cars. yes that stuff is gay in real life but im one of those people (as well as a lot of my freinds) who enjoy making our stuff look different and tacky since it is the internet and you'd never do it in real life. adds some fun and variation, and allows some creativity.

other than that ive been playing hte game for 3 days now, like it a lot. pretty realistic im just not able to figure out a couple things. but these are the things i would like to see improved, however after briefly skirmishing around this board i realize as someone who primarily plays this game to drift online with freinds i am the minority. but if these changes are simple to make it would help cater to the drifter crowd. mainly the more steering angle/suspension tuning.

Both the steering angle suggestion and the ones about car mods and kits have been suggested already and pretty much shot down by the majority of people around here. Most LFS'ers don't have a problem with drifters/ricers/tuners in general, but from what I've read I think they (including me) think LFS's focus should stay on realistic racing, without catering to a small minority. S2 cars drift pretty well, even though the max steering lock has been reduced from the S1 days to something more realistic (with regard to an un-modded street car). I must admit it was very easy to drift S1 cars and requires a bit more practice to drift S2 cars. But I usually only drift if I get a corner wrong, so it doesn't hurt me that much :)

Check here for more improvement suggestions: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=2626

@ hideaki-san - I hear you! I'd love to see Nurby (among other legendary tracks) in LFS but it doesn't look likely, due to licensing costs and all that guff. However, if a track making tool were to be released somewhere in the future (post S3), then there would be nothing stopping someone from putting one together - I don't think you can charge game developers licensing fees for 3rd-party user-created addons...if you can, then Sierra/Papyrus (makers of GPL) are in deep trouble...

[StanleyCarter]

...... it would help cater to the drifter crowd. mainly the more steering angle/suspension tuning.

The more "realistic" steering angle is working fine and there are players that can drift with very high angles with the right setups, and not losing much speed as well.

There's already a big "drifter's crowd" in LFS, you should buy S2 where you get to see the real drifters with real drifting, not in demo. :)

[deggis]

Nurburgring please! :D

http://nurburgring.org.uk/satellite_pic_named.jpg
http://torttu.net/temp/lfs/lfs_nurburgring.jpg

:scratchch :tilt:

[RMX]

Remove all views except cockpit when racing.

[duke_toaster]

Remove all views except cockpit when racing.

Nope, sorry. It causes frame rate problems for some people.

[tristancliffe]

Add OPTION to FORCE cockpit view on a server. If your (directed at no one) PC can't handle the realism then race on a different server or upgrade. Simple.

[sgt.flippy]

So the people saying there is such a framerate drop when you drive with interior, do they have all graphic settings, on 16 bit with a 800x600 resolution? Get to ebay, find a cheap graphics card or memory or whatever, and there you go, you can play with the dashboard on. If you got enough money to buy LFS, you will find a better graphics card on ebay for that same amount of money. Get priorities. I assembled my computer to have a fast pc, good graphics, and that's it, I didn't go for a flatscreen or a dvd burner... priorities. Now I can play LFS on full settings inside, with only (oh god only) 30 fps (you really don't need more imho), I never played a game with a higher framerate than 60-70, and I think it's smooth enough, I read somewhere your eyes can't even keep up with those 100fps', so I ask why?

[deggis]

Add OPTION to FORCE cockpit view on a server. If your (directed at no one) PC can't handle the realism then race on a different server or upgrade. Simple.
Forcing only one view sucks. Some people just favours the bumper cam for example. The view is very important thing which affects the gameplay more than anything. For example I couldn't drive Richard Burns Rally from the default cockpit view (because the default views really sucked, it was more like windscreen view not cockpit view) before the Camera Hack program which made it possible to create a personal view.

As for now you can't even do that forcing in LFS properly. You can make a cockpit view with custom view... but how does the game know that?

And I use the default cockpit view in LFS. Only with customized FOV and g force simulation settings.

[hideaki-san]

Looks easy except for the upside down portion!

http://torttu.net/temp/lfs/lfs_nurburgring.jpg

:scratchch :tilt:

[modenaf1]

- in-game private messaging
- an option for not downloading helmet skins
- server option to force no brake help and no throttle help
- disable brake and throttle help in hotlapping
-- maybe even disable automatic gearbox in hotlapping
- ban hybrid tyres from road tracks

In fact I'd love to see theese in S2 final.

As for S3:
- weather! (both fixed and dynamic)

Things mentioned before, like more complex damage, parts falling off, coplex brakes simulation, etc are just a matter of time, and IMO will be implemented.


But, for god's sake, dont tell me about radio, airbags and air conditioning.:pillepall Someone's going to suggest visual tuning in a minute... lol

-PM's, nice idea

-server option to force no brake help or throttle help? How about remove them completely and give us real ABS and Traction Control systems. It doesn't seem fair that someone can have "brake help", "throttle help", and "automatic gear changing" on the F08 or GTR's!!!!!

Instead I would love to see realistic ABS, realistic traction control, and REALISTIC automatic transmissions. Then the removal of all these assist bullshit things. Of course only these features would be implemented on the appropriate cars and the user should be able to turn them off when he or she desires.

Also, servers then should have the ability to not allow ABS, TC, and automatic transmissions if they want to see some real skill.


-why ban hybrid tires from road tracks? It really doesn't matter IMO. If someone is dumb enough to use hybrid or knobbly tires on a road track, I think it is their own fault.


I wouldn't mind seeing these in the S2 final either.

I think S3 should have weather, all different types and completely customizable almost like in Flight Simulator 2004, but maybe not quite as advanced. The cars should have user adjustable windsheild wipers too. I think all types of weather, so people can have rainy autocrosses, snow rallies, heck if you can set the temperature you might be able to have a "frozen lake" autocross on the skidpad or something. The ability to adjust the amount too, if you want your snowy rally to be in TONS of snow, or your autocross to have a ton of water on the ground, etc. In other words, the ability to adjust the rate at which precipitation falls, and that affects the accumulation on the ground.

I would love to see brake fade as well. My Sentra has rotors that don't even fill the 12 inch wheels, they aren't vented either and it has drums in the rear. Trust me, I know brake fade. lol.

[Rappa Z]

I have seen uneatalbe lap times from people like me on autocross layouts. I found out you can just memorize the checkpoints and only go through those gates. I think more checkpoints should be allowed so people like me can't skip. I highly suggest this to stop people like me from getting 41's on a 1:20 course. If you wanna set times like me contact me.:)

[Hyperactive]

One little thing I noticed from a racing movie not so long ago: In the racing cars the hood is usually "attached" to the car by using those "pins". These pins are already in LFS but there is that little thing that is still missing: The pins allow the hood to move and shake in higher speeds and it looks so kewl!

Check this vid: http://www.renaudkuppens.be/video/vertigo_onboard_imola_FIA_GT_HQ.wmv.

So I want shaky bonnets in LFS :D

[modenaf1]

I have seen uneatalbe lap times from people like me on autocross layouts. I found out you can just memorize the checkpoints and only go through those gates. I think more checkpoints should be allowed so people like me can't skip. I highly suggest this to stop people like me from getting 41's on a 1:20 course. If you wanna set times like me contact me.:)

You dirty little.... :P :) :D

j/k

I agree, maybe make it so you can make EVERY gate a checkpoint and make it so you can't plow straight along side a slalom. All could be done if you had many more checkpoints.

[modenaf1]

One little thing I noticed from a racing movie not so long ago: In the racing cars the hood is usually "attached" to the car by using those "pins". These pins are already in LFS but there is that little thing that is still missing: The pins allow the hood to move and shake in higher speeds and it looks so kewl!

Check this vid: http://www.renaudkuppens.be/video/vertigo_onboard_imola_FIA_GT_HQ.wmv.

So I want shaky bonnets in LFS :D

Maybe exhaust pipes too :D Although, not too too much, in some versions of Need For Speed you rev it up and think the damn exhaust is going to fling off and total out some poor SOB's parked car.

[BlakjeKaas]

^^ agree, just like in Juiced :D

[brilliantblackattack]

how about a drift tire... authorized for drifting only (longer life)

[BlakjeKaas]

how about those tyres that give colored smoke as in Top Gear :P

[Hankstar]

Drift tyre? I think there's more chance of there being a fluffy dice addon...

[nfsjunkie91]

* more complex damage
(if i crash the wall with 200km/h the car must be splittet into 100 parts or must be that destroyed u cant go ahead with racing. i would like this very much also f.ex. in a 30lap race. makes very exciting NOT to touch the wall or drife safely to survive. also would be cool to have some carparts on track when crashed which disapper within 30secs. thing is peopz know if they buy lfs that they want to buy a SIMULATION and not arcade and a simulation has to be most realistic as it can be)


And of course, it should also affect aerodynamics of the vehicle.

[hideaki-san]

It is possible now, on the hardware news, physx PPU announcements were all over the place today:

http://physx.ageia.com/footage.html

And of course, it should also affect aerodynamics of the vehicle.

[bubbles]

This game is alridy very good but I would like to see:
Brake pads wearing out.
Engine overheating depending on weather, oil cooler kit etc.
Wear LSD's by drifting too much, racing etc.
Clutch slep.
Brake gearbox because of bad shifting/not using hell+toe etc.
And lastly tuning the ecu of the engine according to the tracks

[sgt.flippy]

I want the fluffy dice thingy. Would add a real nice touch in the GTR's

When you're bored with racing you can play with the fluffy dice, and I want pink ones (are there any other?)

[Rappa Z]

I need the hood fallin' off, no wheels, no spoilers, no bumpers, and a safety crew on the track.

[Primoz]

You'd like or you need? Because I can't see what is the urgency for you to request this things.

[Rappa Z]

I want/need better damage

[PerG]

Better damage model should be super but not for weaker PC's. But i really want rainy races :Looking_a

[keiran]

I hope LFS' weather will have an option to be controlled by LFSW and LFSW will have a weather report for a few days in advance. Also to make the report wrong sometimes to add to the unpredictable of real life weather :D Another thing in the weather department I'd like to see is the track conditions not reseting during the day i.e public races with restarts.

Keiran

[tristancliffe]

People want rain, but they sulk if wind is used? I think all servers should have wind enabled personally. Once people can cope with that THEN they can ask for more variable weather...

[BlakjeKaas]

well with rain you do need wipers... ( BIIGG HINT!!!)

[Primoz]

Trsiatn is it harder to drive in the wind?

[tristancliffe]

Well, your speed at the end of straights varies, so sometimes your faster(have to brake earlier), sometimes your slower (have to brake later), and the wind varies so one person might get a boost down the straight and you, a few seconds later, might not get as much.

It basically calls for a more adaptive drive, which a lot of people can't do having memorised fixed braking points.

Not sure if the wind effects downforce cars more, with a tail wind reducing downforce etc, but I doubt it at the moment. Maybe (and it's a huge maybe) the aero patch will do something to it in this regard.

[DeXteRrBDN]

Not sure if the wind effects downforce cars more, with a tail wind reducing downforce etc, but I doubt it at the moment.

I race with wind in the LFS-Spain leagues and I can tell you wind EFFECTS downforce cars. For example, FO8 is quite impossible to drive with hard wind (+40 kph). So you can loose all your downforce in a corner and have a big crash.


Definetly, wind IS USED! Maybe not on regular servers, but in league servers as LFS-Spain leagues. Same for different skies.


I want rain as all people want, I will definetly use it!!! :hyper:

[peejayh]

Surely if someone wants something mandatory then, by definition, it is not an option...or is he joking?
Anyway I would be sorry to see auto gearshift done away with on hotlaps.
That is a real backward step for me.
I would really like the ability to retain best laps and the dates when they were made on any track I went to.
This is something that so many car racing composers ignore these days but for me, (yes I know it's an online simulator,..etc..etc..) .but I do a fair bit of single player action and hot laps and would really appreciate it.

[DratsaB]

I would love to see full clutch support, with stalls, grinding etc. maybe FF Shifter built into the sim with clutch support. would be sweet. I guess this could be possible for S2 though. :tilt:

[AlfaLover]

I race with wind in the LFS-Spain leagues and I can tell you wind EFFECTS downforce cars. For example, FO8 is quite impossible to drive with hard wind (+40 kph). So you can loose all your downforce in a corner and have a big crash.


Definetly, wind IS USED! Maybe not on regular servers, but in league servers as LFS-Spain leagues. Same for different skies.


I want rain as all people want, I will definetly use it!!! :hyper:

Yes is fantastic, only great drivers can adapt to winds and day hour change
I LOVE lfs-spain league.:D

I want rain!!:schwitz: , and full cluth with FF shifter support (can be the surprise) :shrug:

[cannonfodder]

People want rain, but they sulk if wind is used? I think all servers should have wind enabled personally. Once people can cope with that THEN they can ask for more variable weather...
I agree. As much as I want it, I don't see it being used much outside of leagues and drift servers(to lessen grip and keep the tires cooler). With rain it'll be the same situation as when people are too focused on their hotlaps and pbs to allow wind. Even some leagues now don't like using wind.

[Rappa Z]

weather should be forcasted for an entire day. No changing of the weather by admins. Just plain rain for a day. No weather change at restarts. This beats my idea for setting the weather change for a certain lap by a long shot.:)

[R1K89]

What do you guys would like to see in S3.
Like:working Wipers, Rain, Radio, Gear shift changes visible in cockpit (man shifts with hand), visible Odometer (that's the thing which measures the kilometres or miles you have driven right?), Damage (like NON bending but breaking glass :P, losing parts etc.), I want to see axles :P, suspension, No head through metal option, window opening, airco :P, airbags (VERY annoying :P)

p.s. if the first 2 things are implented, that's enough 4 me :D.

Good Luck Developers!
:) It would be awesome if they would put all these things in LFS, then i would even love lfs more than i already do! (almost not possible LOL:D)
I imagine verry nice functions on the radio, selectable display color, custom playlist with Radiostations wich you ofcorse can listen true streaming:tilt:, radio text system too working, and a iPod function so you can listen to your own MP3's, adjustable volume with keyboard buttons (or other devices),Turn on/off button too, and of course that if you put it loud enough you can hear it outside the car but with less volume if you know what i mean, and of course i almost forgot : NO RADIO IN GTR's ONLY IN ROADCARS. Working wipers WITH adjustable speed (4 speeds, with keyboard buttons or other) would be nice too (with uhm don't know how to say in english, a function so it sprays soap on the window) , IF they put rain/snow/thunder ingame too :) Working window would be funny too, with a manual thing for the cheap cars (UF1,XFG,XRG,LX4/6) so you see the guy spinning that thing hard to open it(LOL:D), and electrical onces in the more expensive cars(All the other roadcars). And ofcourse no working windows in gtr's. :)

NONE of this will probally ingame i think :D :(

Well i just keep on thinking of idea's that would be awesome, sometimes they come true , you never know :shrug:

[BlakjeKaas]

Ah well, I guess there IS a bit of hope...

Because this game is still in development and because it's made by 'us' people...

They REALLY know what people want, and what is GOOD for us...
So if bodykits WOULD be in the game, the game would be crappy...

think about that! :-P


8th April 2006, 19:16
(Nice topic bumping BTW (especially because I made it :D))

[duke_toaster]

What about airbags that work in the road cars?

And also PM's and a server side no TC option. That would be fun in the BF1 with a keyboard lol.

[BlakjeKaas]

If there's a server option like non-raceprepared cars...(as in everybody same setup, fuel etc.)
Then airbags in road cars would be realistic...
Because you just take a showroom car and race with it, without changing it

[daveb948576]

airbags,
rain/wipers/lights that stay on and that you can see better with.
debries on the track from hitting gravel
a better pit stop i want to see men in the rain changing my wheels.
no joining again after shift + s during race.
snow is a must have but dry/grip in some sections of the track, i.e in the lane that gets used the most.

:thumb:

[xWolFx]

how about a drift tire... authorized for drifting only (longer life)

If only I could make room for another jaffa cake every time i saw one of these posts i would win the JCC by ALOT. There is no point in making a drift tire right now as most of the concerns are on improving the physics and other things. The majority of the community is also more for racing tire improvements then making a new one.

[BlakjeKaas]

He may be more smart now though...
(he posted that 6 moths ago :D)

[scania]

Hill Road Track

[(-Mark-)]

i would like to see the diffrent tire brands have diffrent effects, woukd go with the weather good aswell, like if its dry the Evostar tires would be better but in the wet the Cromo's would be better

[Vain]

@Mark: That's already planned and will most propably come in one of the next incompatible patches (thus not patch V, but perhaps in patch W).
Typical differences would be slightly better endurance, but worse traction. Or slightly less heat production but worse endurance. There are many things imaginable.

Vain

[BlakjeKaas]

That's nice!

will brandless will be average then?
Or the same as we have now (if there's no difference then NVM)

[AndRand]

S3 was mentioned to focus on environmental things. So these are my favorites:

not plain whether - thus it is not only dynamic (changes in time) but also changes a lot in quantity (from ie. drizzle to storm)

i hope from sim devoted devs to model proper track drying and getting filled with water locally. btw - that would also give proper gravel and sand movement as they can be treated as liquids when moving.

and i hope no spliting parts from damage as long as they wont be objects with own physiscs, like racked tires etc. cos its most annoying thing the damaged parts moving in kind of cartoon motion everytime.

@r4aptor: yeah, agreed on race behaviour but this Improvement suggestion doest not regard S3. its just: HIT THE BRAKES JUST WHEN YOU STOP SPINNING !!!

@rik89: sorry sir, i think you need nfs.

[scania]

no reset button
Stop more than 2 min(not pit stop)>>>specter
no rev track
Power Boost
short cut>>Stop go
Black Flat
Safety car
Hard Damager>>Specter
People in pit

[Rappa Z]

pit crew
no reset/no pit
an option to have cars set by classes?
admin can choose grid order
black flag.
pace car!

[BlakjeKaas]

no reset button
Stop more than 2 min(not pit stop)>>>specter (Is possible with an In-sim thing)
no rev track (just don't go to them then...)
Power Boost (no, look for the NOS threads :banana: )
short cut>>Stop go (May be possible with an In-sim thing) (not sure)
Safety car (can be done by a player)
Hard Damager>>Specter (Is possible with an In-sim thing (or atleast I saw something like that))

^^ showed in quote.

[Hughie]

Someone said about car parts left on the track that could perhaps disappear when no-one can see them? Well how about a person running onto the track to collect them? They could have ragdoll physics and everything so you could plough right into them. Would destroy a hot lap time i guess but it would be fun.

[K.David]

LOL this isn't carmageddon :D
Parts falling off should be behind nonvisible damage (oil, cooling, engine damage, etc.) on the list. These wouldn't affect performance while parts on the track would.
If there was an option where we could set if we wanted to see through the helmet's visor (literally) or not would be nice.