IGTC feeder discussion

[Booschie]

2 in for Serbia, and 2 in for Poland.
I guess other two Serbian teams have really good chance to enter this series, but I could not say the same for other 3 teams from Poland :shrug:


You're killing all the hope we have. Taking the lolly away from our starving eyes. Not :)

Anyway, has anyone ever considered creating a lower division of IGTC for some balance between team rotation and good level of the competition?

[Gil07]

Some kind of IGTC feeder series... Hmmm :scratchch

[TFalke55]

Some kind of IGTC feeder series... Hmmm :scratchch

TBO 3h races / NGT 3h races / LRF 3h races

:shrug:

[Gil07]

No, GTR 4h races :tilt:

Or 3h if you must...

[luki97]

I guess other two Serbian teams have really good chance to enter this series, but I could not say the same for other 3 teams from Poland :shrug:

Do not talk about something wrong if you are not sure that ;).
i have a hope some other polish teams will do positive suprise here :).

[Scott_Michaels]

I think this is the first time IGTC has ever had enough entries to contemplate a feeder series, so I doubt it's ever been discussed before ;)

[Tomhah]

It would been fun if it was like two divisjons like in football. The three/four "badest" drivers in the championship at the end of the season will be moved to the second divisjon, while the three/four best team in the second divisjon will be moved to the first divisjon. Just an idea :P

[Kirill.D]

Hint : 2 servers , lapper, website :D.

Equals : All entrants can race :D.

[BenjiMC]

Hint : 2 servers , lapper, website :D.

Equals : All entrants can race :D.
headache!

2 series wont happen, not this year anyway.

[Booschie]

It would been fun if it was like two divisjons like in football. The three/four "badest" drivers in the championship at the end of the season will be moved to the second divisjon, while the three/four best team in the second divisjon will be moved to the first divisjon. Just an idea :P

That's exactly what I'm talking about. But not the likes of GT2 class in the IGTC "B division", but equally powered cars. And a qualifying event only for the B division unless some teams withdraw. Remember this is not real life and it mostly takes only 'driving' abilities and some basic management skills to run a team more or less successfully. Therefore there's no budget restriction and more eligible teams can be found than in real life. That's why I think a multi-division IGTC is the future.

[CSF]

Some kind of IGTC feeder series... Hmmm :scratchch

Now you think its a good idea? :really:

[J@tko]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. But not the likes of GT2 class in the IGTC "B division", but equally powered cars. And a qualifying event only for the B division unless some teams withdraw. Remember this is not real life and it mostly takes only 'driving' abilities and some basic management skills to run a team more or less successfully. Therefore there's no budget restriction and more eligible teams can be found than in real life. That's why I think a multi-division IGTC is the future.
Or getting LFS to have 64 car grids - now that would be awesome :thumb: (and possibly a bit trafficy around blackwood :scratchch)

[Gil07]

Now you think its a good idea? :really:

No, not a good idea :D

But a possibilty... And never as a division B, that wouldn't work at all. 2 servers is out of question as well, because of safety cars etc. Just a completely separate series running the same combos, like LFS GT was to MoE before it died off... Anyone could organise it if they wanted, and with a bit of luck and organisating skill they might get support from the IGTC admin team...

[Dragonmen]

@LFS IGTC feeder idea>
(might be a good read for teams that are new to endurance racing)

I can tell you how AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team went from, what we think is (was) a starting position for endurance racing - LFS GT, up to elite endurance league like MoE...

We started LFS GT somewhere in the middle of season 3 (2007/2008). Back then it was some kind of feeder series for MoE with 3h races and two classes (GT1: FZR, FXR, XRR and GT2: UFR, XFR). There was a spot in GT2 so we took it... We did a really good job there, 2 wins, one 2nd and one 4th place in 4 races, althought not a really impresive oponents, but hard enough for a endurance starters. Taking 3rd overall was a very good result, my personal opinion is that we could have won our class if we have raced all races.

We kind of liked endurance racing, we like the team spirit of it.
DWB came to final thread of LFS GT Season 3, and advertised MoE and IGTC... so we saw IGTC, also around half way of the season passed... Looked like obvious next step on the road to MoE. We have asked to join, and since we were very much unknown team back then, calling upon LFS GT result helped us to get this spot (ass I see it)...
So there we were in IGTC. We had two top10 results and then series of bad luck in last 3 races...

In all this process some new team members arrived, some of them already with endurance experience.

So basically we had a ticket for MoE.

And there we are in MoE GT2 class, taking podium in our first ever MoE race... and it was 12h race!

Also a good practice was 16h race, 3 classes on 4 servers, by racing minds.

When you look at it, we came into MoE (and now again into IGTC /with very hard season ahead of as all/), in a short time... but we worked for it.

And...

that's the story... :D

[Trekkerfahrer]

watch out for end of february ;)

[DeadWolfBones]

Yes, I've been in discussions with Mr. Reetz and it looks as though we may have an official/semi-official IGTC/MoE feeder series in the near future. It's all still very much in discussion, but I think it could be a good opportunity for newer/unproven teams to prove themselves over an actual season of GTR enduro competition, before joining the big leagues. :)

[Booschie]

Yes, I've been in discussions with Mr. Reetz and it looks as though we may have an official/semi-official IGTC/MoE feeder series in the near future. It's all still very much in discussion, but I think it could be a good opportunity for newer/unproven teams to prove themselves over an actual season of GTR enduro competition, before joining the big leagues. :)

Though still rumour-ish, this is great news. Will there be an official test race for the feeder series? ;) Seriously, please consider other popular measures such as:

Limit on the minimum number of laps done on league combos
Hotlap within some percentage of a WR
CTRA licenses
Pre-qualification sessions

Even though these rules might sound cruel, they are at least clear. I hope you guys find the time and staff for the new series. Good luck!

[PMD9409]

Though still rumour-ish, this is great news. Will there be an official test race for the feeder series? ;) Seriously, please consider other popular measures such as:

Limit on the minimum number of laps done on league combos
Hotlap within some percentage of a WR
CTRA licenses
Pre-qualification sessions
Even though these rules might sound cruel, they are at least clear. I hope you guys find the time and staff for the new series. Good luck!

CTRA = :thumbsdow

[racer hero]

CTRA = :thumbsdow

Your post = :thumbsup:

[AppiePils]

Yes, I've been in discussions with Mr. Reetz and it looks as though we may have an official/semi-official IGTC/MoE feeder series in the near future. It's all still very much in discussion, but I think it could be a good opportunity for newer/unproven teams to prove themselves over an actual season of GTR enduro competition, before joining the big leagues. :)

MoE is to be determined and for now to be excluded from this IGTC thread/discussion.

[DeadWolfBones]

Pretty sure I used the conditional tense there, Apps. ;]

[Trekkerfahrer]

Though still rumour-ish, this is great news. Will there be an official test race for the feeder series? ;) Seriously, please consider other popular measures such as:

Limit on the minimum number of laps done on league combos
Hotlap within some percentage of a WR
CTRA licenses
Pre-qualification sessions

Even though these rules might sound cruel, they are at least clear. I hope you guys find the time and staff for the new series. Good luck!

before the season there HAS to be a test race to sort out problems of any kind and finding mistakes we have not seen until then.
our current idea is to exclude MoE/IGTC drivers. teams are welcome, but only a lineup not racing in both leagues. this is to give newer teams a better chance. ctra licences and the other factors you thought about are not relevant for us. except the qualification sessions if we get more application than grid places ;)
more in the next few weeks. we are currently working on website and rules ;)

[Gil07]

It would be a great way to give our less experienced drivers a chance as well :)

[Sir moi 407]

If it isn't for MOE or IGTC aliens, I'm in ;)
If I got it well, I only need to be clean and respectufull to enter in this "feeder"?
Good luck with this league anyway... You'll probably see me in this :)
PS: OH and yeah... sorry for my awfull english :(

[pacesetter]

We're interested

[racer hero]

Will people that are on the IGTC waiting list be allowed to race in this series?

[Trekkerfahrer]

If it isn't for MOE or IGTC aliens, I'm in ;)
If I got it well, I only need to be clean and respectufull to enter in this "feeder"?
Good luck with this league anyway... You'll probably see me in this :)
PS: OH and yeah... sorry for my awfull english :(

you have to be clean and respect our (soon realease) rules which are very similar to the igtc rules.


Will people that are on the IGTC waiting list be allowed to race in this series?


yes, even when your team will be accepted for igtc during the season you will be allowed to finish the gtal season

[Speedy Pro]

Christopher, is this feeder seried a team-based championship, or are privateers also allowed? TIA and looking forward to this! :thumb:

[Trekkerfahrer]

Christopher, is this feeder seried a team-based championship, or are privateers also allowed? TIA and looking forward to this! :thumb:

there will be a maximum percentage of driven distance per driver...
so its only for teams, sorry...
but you can search a team and try to take part ;)

[Sir moi 407]

Well... I've got more questions :D
Will a team be allowed to put more than one car in the gird?
Will it be only GTRs or GT2 too?

[Kirill.D]

No point of dividing grid to 2 classes. IGTC uses GTR so participators in feeder should get proper skills in this series with same cars as are used in IGTC.

Best Regards, Kirill.D.

[Tomhah]

Not if this is a feeder series to MoE too, where they drive GT2.

[Trekkerfahrer]

see what will happen ;)

[Kirill.D]

Oke, anyways, if somekind of help as admin, skinner or something like this is needed, just PM me.

I've organized lots of local Estonian leagues + now Baltic League so i think i could help out if needed ;).

Hope the best !

Best Regards, Kirill.D.

[Trekkerfahrer]

Oke, anyways, if somekind of help as admin, skinner or something like this is needed, just PM me.

I've organized lots of local Estonian leagues + now Baltic League so i think i could help out if needed ;).

Hope the best !

Best Regards, Kirill.D.

maybe i'll come back on your offer ;)

[Toddshooter]

Any news on this?

[GabbO]

Be patient, can come any time now :)

[Kirill.D]

Yes, as GabbO said, it will be soon published. At the moment we are waiting for Victor to create sub-forum for the league, after that more information will be posted.


Best Regards, Kirill.D.

[Sir moi 407]

Cool I simply love the FZR GT2 :D
The site looks cool and the schedule is nice :)
Can't wait for the 4th april :D
PS: But I don't get one thing... In the rules it doesn't say if a team can have several cars?
Because we really would like to have 2 cars...

[pacesetter]

I had a look around the website, cool calender, should be interesting, can't wait :thumb:

[Kirill.D]

As far as i know, 1 car / team. I don't think that there will be enough spaces for 2 per team anyway. We will organize test-race before the start of league and i believe that 29 places will be filled quickly.

I hope that Trekkefahrer or GabbO will comment and explain this thing more detailed :).


Best Regards, Kirill.D.

[GabbO]

@ Sir moi:

Yes, it does not say anything about it, as it isn't strictly forbidden.
But as you may already noticed, the interest is really big, and it's unlikely that we could allow any team to enter with two cars. It's a matter of fairness to the others....

[Speedy Pro]

Perhaps I'm going blind, but is there a link to the website anywhere? Looked all over the place and can't seem to find it. If you want to keep it private, just PM me. I'd really like to stay on top of this. :)

[Kristjan.J]

Kirill showed it to me on msn I think.

http://gtal.lightning-racing.de/

I don't think it's private though.

[Trekkerfahrer]

Perhaps I'm going blind, but is there a link to the website anywhere? Looked all over the place and can't seem to find it. If you want to keep it private, just PM me. I'd really like to stay on top of this. :)

you are not going blind ;)
can give you the link: http://gtal.lightning-racing.de/

we just have not the signup period open, so the link does not work atm ;)

@ Kristjan: two idiots, one mindgoing :D

[Kristjan.J]

@ Kristjan: two idiots, one mindgoing :D

Nothing to do about it. :shrug: :D

[PMD9409]

WTF, you guys have a better schedule than IGTC/MoE! :razz:

No fair, you give the new-comers more fun. :tilt:

[Trekkerfahrer]

http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=246

go here for more information and i will ask DWB to close this thread now ;)