Display Map Improvment [Archive]

madmak

22nd February 2006, 09:20

On the small map we can see our car and our oponents cars. There is also visible who is faster and who is behind. My improvment suggestion is to mark drivers who has more then 1 lap diffrence from us. It is important during long races to know if somebody behind, after overtaking us, will be infront or still behind.

bobvanvliet

22nd February 2006, 10:16

I think it would be more convenient and less of a clutter to mark this next to the positions list, so just a bracket with +1 or -2 or something next to the names.

Cheers,

Edit: I fully agree that we need to know who's how many laps in front/behind, though! Nothing worse than doing a splash and dash and then finding out that was your last lap and you were actually 2 laps down in stead of 1 :D

sgt.flippy

22nd February 2006, 12:04

I personally don't use the map, I have nothing on my screen really, now and then when I want to know I'll check how many laps left. But I do think instead of split times, there should be a "live" reading on who's in front of you, and behind you. It's always nice to know how much someone is in front of you and behind you, not only when you just passed a split. And if someone is a lap ahead, the reading you get from the car behind you changes color or something, or says +1.

AndroidXP

22nd February 2006, 12:43

But I do think instead of split times, there should be a "live" reading on who's in front of you, and behind you. It's always nice to know how much someone is in front of you and behind you, not only when you just passed a split.And how do you think should that be done? Hundreds of pseudo checkpoints all over the map? :confused:

filur

22nd February 2006, 14:24

There are already hundreds of pseudo-checkpoints, called nodes :)

Edit: sgt.flippy's idea would be simple to do thru insim :)

Gentlefoot

22nd February 2006, 14:48

And eveytime you and the driver behind you passes a split it tells you the gap in seconds next to the name in the race positions list.

BlakjeKaas

22nd February 2006, 14:53

i already suggested something like this, it's a dead topic now... :P
But it would be nice if it's implented, cause you see a red (orange) dot behind ya and you think ok, I have 2 watch out, but then he is a lap behind you, iTS so frustrating sometimes

Gentlefoot

22nd February 2006, 14:56

Just keep your eye on the splits and you'll know exactly how much of a lead you have. You don't need the map.

bobvanvliet

22nd February 2006, 15:06

But when others are more than one split in front or behind you, you no longer get split times. I for one would like to know if I'm one or two laps in front/behind...

But as I said, I would rather see this next to the positions list, along with an indication of pitstops (none, 1x, 2x, ...)

BlakjeKaas

22nd February 2006, 15:12

I agree with bob

madmak

22nd February 2006, 15:16

What do you think about that? See attachment.

Pablo.CZ

22nd February 2006, 15:30

I think it would be more convenient and less of a clutter to mark this next to the positions list, so just a bracket with +1 or -2 or something next to the names.
I agree with you. It will be better to improve positions list than overfill minimap with informations. I use minimap only to avoid a crash during pit out.

AndroidXP

22nd February 2006, 18:22

What do you think about that? See attachment.Too small to read during race, IMO. :magnify:

Lible

22nd February 2006, 18:50

But I do think instead of split times, there should be a "live" reading on who's in front of you, and behind you. It's always nice to know how much someone is in front of you and behind you, not only when you just passed a split. And if someone is a lap ahead, the reading you get from the car behind you changes color or something, or says +1.

Unrealistic, isn't it, Scawen hasn't got that much money to buy engineers :D

NaBUru38

22nd February 2006, 18:51

How many colours/shapes do we need?

-> Green: you
-> Yellow: Cars in your lap and close to you (+- one split) - Try to overtake them and not get overtaken
-> Orange: Cars in front of you (many splits in front of you) - Let them pass
-> Blue: Cars behind you (many splits behind you) - They should let you pass

-> Triangles: they are racing normally
-> Squares: they are too slow (specially if they are in front of you)
-> Circles: they are going much faster than you (even if you are in front of them)

What do you think?

Forbin

22nd February 2006, 19:27

First 4 are good. The last 3, you're starting to get into the realm of too much information making it unrealistic.

Chaos

22nd February 2006, 20:00

Yup, the first 4 sound good... :thumb:

NaBUru38

23rd February 2006, 00:00

But it's important to know if someone is stopped! You can switch camera in straight (an empty one ;-) and check if the driver is writing, trying to rejoin the race or just waiting for you to crash him.

And sometimes you don't know if the car behind you is coming closer or not. A little circle would be helpful and fps-friendly.
(as I have a 15 inches screen, I use 90º FOV; therefore I use the outside view, or I wouln'd see anything to the sides. And that's why I don't have any mirror... it woulnd't be that unrealistic)

wheel4hummer

23rd February 2006, 00:16

I don't even use the map.

Forbin

23rd February 2006, 00:32

That's what yellow flags are for.

sgt.flippy

23rd February 2006, 06:44

^^ And I usually use a completely emtpy screen, no laptimes, no laps, nothing, I mapped a key on my wheel to put everything back, to have a quick look. And when everything is off... I don't see a yellow "flag". So I hope there'll be officials waving flags, not just the writing, so I can still see the flags without everything on my screen.

BlakjeKaas

23rd February 2006, 06:49

Cool, so you drive it like a sim :).
I would have done it too, if they had flags, position and lap times in cockpit.
Nevermind, if they do, inside isnt 'simmy' anymore

Blowtus

23rd February 2006, 10:16

I think the original suggestion is the most useful of all in this thread. Even if it's unrelated to dicing for position, it's still very handy to know how hard to push.

PLAYLIFE

28th February 2006, 18:36

Yisc[NL]

9th January 2007, 08:37

Just a bump of this topic.
I really like to have an option to see which car is 1 or more laps behind on the map. I'm struggeling in races to see which car i'm racing and which I can let go.

Second thing is to remove the big warnings as Blue flag, Yellow flag, PB for ....
Put this kind of information somewhere on the side/top/bottom of the sceen, instead of the middle in a kingsize font. It would be perfect to have marshalls waving flags, but that might be to much to ask.

sgt.flippy

9th January 2007, 09:03

Cars in front of you are yellow, cars behind are orange...

And on the second suggestion, I want the opposit. I want a clear shift+f screen, but still get the laptimes/splits and flags on my screen.

Yisc[NL]

9th January 2007, 09:23

Cars in front of you are yellow, cars behind are orange...

I know, but you can't see the difference of a car direct behind you, or 1 or more laps behind you. I think those cars should have another color, so you know you can let them overtake you, without consequences.

Blowtus

9th January 2007, 09:45

yes. cars should only go orange when they are a lap down, turning orange on the same lap is pointless, imho.

Davo

9th January 2007, 10:37

Cars in front of you are yellow, cars behind are orange...

And on the second suggestion, I want the opposit. I want a clear shift+f screen, but still get the laptimes/splits and flags on my screen.
This option is available, it's under flag option in the MISC menu.

PLAYLIFE

9th January 2007, 11:23

yes. cars should only go orange when they are a lap down, turning orange on the same lap is pointless, imho.

And how would you then differentiate the guys who are under a lap behind and the guys who are coming to lap you.

Seriously, I've seen so many differnet ides for the color coding, we even had a thread on it in the test patch forum, but all ides presented were either not well thought trough or consisted of 10 different colors...:scratchch

Blowtus

9th January 2007, 12:45

The huge 'blue flag' isn't enough? Fair point though.

Yisc[NL]

9th January 2007, 14:03

And how would you then differentiate the guys who are under a lap behind and the guys who are coming to lap you.

Seriously, I've seen so many differnet ides for the color coding, we even had a thread on it in the test patch forum, but all ides presented were either not well thought trough or consisted of 10 different colors...:scratchch

I think it's very simple:

Cars in front = Yellow
Cars behind (same lap) = Orange
Cars behind (1 or more lap down) = Red (or another color)
Own car = Green
Car AI = Blue+Yellow/Orange/Red (according to the situation)

So, 5 colors and everything is clear when you take a quick look at the map.
In the current situation, you have to look on the map and on the stats with the positions. It would be very nice to see someone coming and know you don't have to push to the max to keep ahead of this person.

Linsen

9th January 2007, 16:49

Don't know if it's possible with the current system, but a little number on the orange cars indicating how many laps they are behind would be nice (0=same lap, 1=one lap, etc.). Same would go for the cars in front of you, although I think it's not really important.

sgt.flippy

9th January 2007, 18:07

This option is available, it's under flag option in the MISC menu.
Thanks, I said this before somewhere but nobody told me then :thumb:

sp3tt3rpik

12th January 2007, 16:34