XRT vs FZ5 in a drift comparison

[k31s0]

(Hi happy new year 1st of all). My name is kelso and I posted XRT vs FZ5 to find out why majority of people use XRT and a handfull of people use FZ5 when it comes to drifting. For 1.I dont know how you guys drift the XRT because I find the FZ5 to have more stability going sideways and keeping sideways. The only prob i have with it is the tires they burn out to quick lol but what I dont understand is i can drift the FZ5 like a pro but doing donuts with my set is a challenge but i'm learning it and getting better at donuts and circling around objects :thumb:. With the XRT its opposite i can donut and circle objects out of this world but when it comes to drifting I just dont feel the excitement. Not saying the XRT is a bad car jus making a point.

[ColeusRattus]

I think it's because the XRT looks more like a "drift car" (Mitsubishi Starion) and has an FR layout, while the FZ5 is RR (or MR, not that sure about it without checking)

[J@tko]

i think it's because the xrt looks more like a "drift car" (mitsubishi starion) and has an fr layout, while the fz5 is rr (or mr, not that sure about it without checking)
rr :)

[asbjoern]

xrt all the way:nod:

[Luke.S]

The FZ5 has too much POWRRRR and kills its tyres quite quickly

[SidiousX]

F08 noobs

[k31s0]

lol i dont find the FZ5 to have too much power. it has not enough for me but yeh i'll agree that tires have no chance.

[Furiously-Fast]

F08 noobs

Damn, he said drifting, not donuts.:razz:

[Matrixi]

The FZ5 has too much POWRRRR and kills its tyres quite quickly
It doesn't have too much power, the LFS tires simply melt way too fast.

[Töki (HUN)]

FZ5 powah! I love drifting with "red" tyres. :shy:

[el pibe]

RB4 POWA !!!!! it kills them both ! ....... :hidesbehi

[masternick]

there are afew tracks/corners where the FZ5 will drift better just because it has more power to spin the wheels, if the Xrt had the same power good chance you wouldnt see many ppl using the FZ5 because it doesnt handle as good as the Xrt

[.dot]

Hmm,

I think, FZ5 doesn't have to much power. It depends on somebody's style. If you like speed drift, it is a perfect car as regards his power. In my opinion FZ5 gives you a little fun..:thumb: Xrt is specially for speed drift and majority of people use it to drive I think, because All of us begin a "LFS Carrier" on Demo where XRT is crucial car. People used to drive XRT and when they buy a licence, still drive use XRT.:thumb: and for that reason I think minority of people use FZ5 (regardless of power).

[danthebangerboy]

I personally cant get on with the fz5's handling at all, si o would choose the XRT over the FZ5 any day.


Hmm,



I think, FZ5 doesn't have to much power. It depends on somebody's style. If you like speed drift, it is a perfect car as regards his power. In my opinion FZ5 gives you a little fun.. Xrt is specially for speed drift and majority of people use it to drive I think, because All of us begin a "LFS Carrier" on Demo where XRT is crucial car. People used to drive XRT and when they buy a licence, still drive use XRT. and for that reason I think minority of people use FZ5 (regardless of power).

@.dot

Without trying to sound rude or anything, how do you know how the FZ5, or the XRT handle personally?? as neither are available in LFS demo. :shrug:

Im not suggesting anything bad, im just wondering thats all.

[.dot]

I personally cant get on with the fz5's handling at all, si o would choose the XRT over the FZ5 any day.




@.dot

Without trying to sound rude or anything, how do you know how the FZ5, or the XRT handle personally?? as neither are available in LFS demo. :shrug:

Im not suggesting anything bad, im just wondering thats all.

Both of them are available in LFS OLD DEMO - version X.
I've played on old demo version 0.5x used to XRT.
My friend has got a license and I usually go to his house and play with him, so i know something about FZ5:thumb:

[zeugnimod]

Both of them are available in LFS OLD DEMO - version X.

The FZ5 isn't. ;)

[.dot]

The FZ5 isn't. ;)

Yes it is, if you buy a licence :) it isnt' available if you don't have an licence but you can see it :):tilt:

[Töki (HUN)]

Yes it is, if you buy a licence :) it isnt' available if you don't have an licence but you can see it :):tilt:

But if you buy it, it's no longer demo.

[[SWE]RE]

My friend has got a license and I usually go to his house and play with him, so i know something about FZ5:thumb:

What's your friend's nickname? :]

OnT: I personally prefer XRT when drifting. Not quite sure why, but I never really liked the FZ5 when it comes to drifting. It goes sideways way too easy imo, since it's overpowered. It's easier to get closer twins with the XRT also, but I'm sure others would say that about the FZ5 too. It all comes down to how much practise you put down in each car I guess. :shrug:

[nisskid]

FZ5 is like American drift, bigger power, bigger smoke, faster speeds, but clumsy agility, and sloppy transitions.

XRT is like Japanese drift, less power, less smoke, but easier to throw around, sharp transitions, and generally more precise.

people forget that drift is not powersliding, a strong drifting technique will allow u to drift a car with less than 100hp, watch a FZ5 drifter try and drift a XRG. drift is about weight transference and balance, not just putting ur foot down and power-oversteering. an XRT has superior balance and agility, therefore its a superior car for drift. and by drift i mean proper drift, not the americanised shit.

[Mackie The Staggie]

Everyone is forgetting the RAC. Easiest car to get sidewards.......


...then backwards........forwards again.....sidewards......backwards....then sometimes upside down :(

[danthebangerboy]

I usually go to his house and play with him,


Must...resist....bad....joke:x

Anyway, I find the FZ5 a bit big and clumsy to drive, plus i don't find it that consistant handling wise, as the rear tyres do seem to overheat quite quickly as already mentioned, in comparsion to the XRT, so i can do the same corner at the same speeds and the car will do something totally different to the lap before, which isn't ideal.

I will happily throw the XRT around without the fear of it sliding out due to rear tyres being on fire. Plus i am more aware of the car in general when using the XRT, as i am alot more confident when overtaking mid corner, going for gaps that are only just big enough, etc.. without it resulting in unnessecary contact.

[.dot]

RE;1042043']What's your friend's nickname? :]


His nickname: SuT
:thumb:

[Töki (HUN)]

His nickname: SuT
:thumb:

He (http://www.lfsforum.net/member.php?u=190193) has a nice avatar.

[J@tko]

Everyone is forgetting the RAC. Easiest car to get sidewards.......


...then backwards........forwards again.....sidewards......backwards....then sometimes upside down :(
Indeed - basically everywhere apart from the way you want to go :tilt:

[k31s0]

so its safe to say reason being people use the xrt and people use the fz5 is because of there insurance with the car going sideways. ( how the car feels sideways to them?)

[el pibe]

so its safe to say reason being people use the xrt and people use the fz5 is because of there insurance with the car going sideways. ( how the car feels sideways to them?)

I love both of them . but they have their own drawbacks .... the xrt is perfect for D0R1F70 but the FZ aswell is good !

but you wont see me in any of these 2 because:

XRT= I used to love it when it was still Demo content... but now that i have S2 i never drive it ecept in cruise because i know it already and i bought the licence in search of a new love experience....

FZ5= its a new car for me .... and i love it too , i found that love experience that i was talking about but the tire problems broke my relationship with that car

thats why at the moment im drifting the RB4 it has the advantages of both of these cars without any of the drawbacks :x ... and its more impressive doin a near 90 degrees drift with the RB4 :nod: than doin a 45 degrees drift with the other two cars.

its your choice ....:smileypul

[MAD3.0LT]

i prefer the LX6 for drifting FZ5 and XRT are just boring cars and are alot easyer to drift then RL the LX6 is alot closer to real car drifting but the power to weight dosent help much with road normals on its a handfull.


the problem with the XRT is if it had just 50 more HP it would be the best drift car in the game.

[k31s0]

lol the l6 are to easy for drifting u dont even need a drift set and plus its no a challenge to drift for 1 it as alot of steer lock so oversteer is neer impossible and its small so changing from left to right is a breeze

[Gills4life]

lol the l6 are to easy for drifting u dont even need a drift set and plus its no a challenge to drift for 1 it as alot of steer lock so oversteer is neer impossible and its small so changing from left to right is a breeze

You don't need a drift set to drift the XRT or FZ5 either. I find the lx6 is the most exciting for drifting because it looks and feels the best when it is done correctly.

[K. Tsuchiya]

The thing I found to be very true with drifting in general is the harder it is to control a car sideways the less that people will choose a car that is more likely to spin. Given the choice would you use a Nissan 240SX (Silvia) on coil overs and bald rear tires, or would you take a late 80's Porsche 911 on the same tire setup and suspension? Of course the 911 is a faster car by all respects but when looked at from the perspective of control, most would choose the FR over the RR platform for the simple fact it's alot more stable in the 50/50 blanced FR rather than a 40/60 RR.

I see more FR platforms drifting than any other for the simple fact it is more stable to the masses than an all wheel drive or rear engine rear drive.

The LX6 is god when it comes to drifting though. No control what so ever unless you are skilled with a light rear end car.

Having driven AND drifted with a 91 Miata, 87 MR2, 82 Supra, etc., I have to say that the FR platform with a 50/50 balance is the best choice for getting it sideways. The further the driver and weight gets out back the less control an average driver has.


Hands down, it's the ease of use that makes the XRT the car of choice of drifters. The FZ5 drivers are very respectable for choosing a platform that is harder to handle, but, has more reward. Even more reward to drift with the LX6 as it is even harder to handle than the FZ when it comes to drifting/hotlapping.

My 2 pennies, nothing more. Kinda lost my point somewhere there, but oh well, I think it's somewhere in there, take my words how you will.



Ben




ps. my username gives me zero qualification on the track as a drifter, it's just real life experience/observation talking here.

[drift_apprentice]

FZ5 is like American drift, bigger power, bigger smoke, faster speeds, but clumsy agility, and sloppy transitions.

XRT is like Japanese drift, less power, less smoke, but easier to throw around, sharp transitions, and generally more precise.

people forget that drift is not powersliding, a strong drifting technique will allow u to drift a car with less than 100hp, watch a FZ5 drifter try and drift a XRG. drift is about weight transference and balance, not just putting ur foot down and power-oversteering. an XRT has superior balance and agility, therefore its a superior car for drift. and by drift i mean proper drift, not the americanised shit.


:smileypul Yes, i completely agree there.

Most ppl use XRT because they are:

1. Lighter, better weight distribution, hence better balanced, like S14, s15 in real life, so when u doing switch backs, hairpins and donuts/polka, u wont lose it as easily as Fz5.

2. Once u have a good XRT drift set, u can do all the drift maneouvers with ease and u wont lose the angle and smoothness, while still create as much smoke as FZ5.

3. The looks maybe too, many of us have Silvia or FC or Skyline skins for XRT, the iconic looks for drift machines. U cant do that with a FZ5 which looks like a Ferrari.


Fz5 on the other hand:

1. Powerful and torquy, easy to do power overs, aka. power slides, BUT, drifting is not just power slides, because that's just the EXIT part, there's also the ENTRY part too. A drift is not a good one, if u grip upon entry and only power over upon exit....

2. Very heavy on the rear end, that will cause a lot of over steer from the start without trying. For u, it is good, only when tyres r fresh. But since it's rear end heavy, rear tyres will be gone in no time and soon u will spin out.

3. Being rear end heavy also means lack of balanced weight, that means when doing a switch back, u cant swing as aggressively, otherwise u will easily risk a spin out.

4. Longer wheel base, good for fast sweepers, combined with higher power, it is a really good machine at WE rev. BUT, again, it is a hindrance when it comes to tighter corners, especially linked corners, eg. FE green rev.

5. FZ5 Sounds mad tho. I tuned my sound and it sounds like a MEAN V8! thats about it all. hehe.

If u wanna drift in a XRT as well as FZ5, i suggest tune ur XRT set, put in more over steer, but dont sacrifice too much for stability.

[k31s0]

oversteer the fz5 has just as much understeer lol that why to me is well balanced but honestly bewteen u n me i cant remeber the last time i spun out with the fz5 ( not saying that i'm ultra great, just saying i found my centre for drfting)but i find due to its heaviness u can carry the slide further rather than the the xrt its too twitchy in my opinion and seeing as 3.6 F 6 which produces a good set more than the xrt's 2.0 Tc ( turbo charge not traction control) inline 4 i would say that the time between pedal to the floor n response is faster .

[pako_customize]

aaaaaa lol:shrug: