iTCC - Round 2 - Pre-Race Discussion

[J@tko]

Fern Bay Gold Reversed - 17 laps per race.

Best Track in LFS + Best Car in LFS (IMHO of course :P)

Got a set which feels brilliant, can drive the wheels off of it and it thanks me for it - it does seem to be a bit slow though :(

4 Weeks till go - your thoughts? :)

[dekojester]

Are you all gonna mess it into Turn 1 ?

If you do, please do it spectacularly so I can go apeshite and have a heart attack on-air.

:D

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[boothy]

If I said even more carnage would I be being a bit harsh on you lot? :tilt:

But yes its a tricky track that should provide more passing oportunities than Westhill, but also there's recipes for disaster everywhere! :D

[Mp3 Astra]

Fern Bay Gold? You guys can't keep it on the track at WE1, which is about 50 metres wide; what the hell are you going to do at a track that's about 50cm wide? :razz:

[Fastwalker]

Fern Bay Gold? You guys can't keep it on the track at WE1, which is about 50 metres wide; what the hell are you going to do at a track that's about 50cm wide? :razz:

actually close racing is easier on fe3r
mostly because its slower an u dont rely as much on downforce as on we1 :)

[Mp3 Astra]

actually close racing is easier on fe3r
mostly because its slower an u dont rely as much on downforce as on we1 :)

I joke, of course. It should be a very very exciting event.

[Rudy van Buren]

i did some laps here yesterday already, and i think we can expect SC every 2 laps here :\

the car flips so damn easy in last chicane we might should say if your on your roof just spec and not brake up the fight at the front :shrug:

2 SC in a race was already anoying dont wanto think about more tbh :schwitz:

[[UKR] Race King]

i did some laps here yesterday already, and i think we can expect SC every 2 laps here :\

the car flips so damn easy in last chicane we might should say if your on your roof just spec and not brake up the fight at the front :shrug:

2 SC in a race was already annoying don't wanto think about more tbh :schwitz:-1

Yes this might benefit the leaders, but what will say the drives who are 30 sec or a lap behind?

Rudy you have to stop thinking only about your self.:shrug:

You know there are another 20 cars on the grid and not just top 3.

No offense mate.

[Rudy van Buren]

well i didnt even mean it in the way you subscribe it,

i just mean the fact that crashing or flipping here is so easy that it would end up in endless SC not more then that :shrug:

And in the end we ( or most of us ) all prefer racing instead of driving behind a SC although if you crash it might be a advantage to get back in toutch with the field :shy:

i should not have said that 'fight at the front' becaus ofcourse its the same for the fights in the back or midfield or wherever. :)

[Mp3 Astra]

It's fairly easy to not flip at those corners. As long as you've done a couple of practice races and done some passing there shouldn't really be a problem.

[Rudy van Buren]

It's fairly easy to not flip at those corners. As long as you've done a couple of practice races and done some passing there shouldn't really be a problem.


haha funny guy :D that last chicane is a bitch if you take it on the limit :nod:

anyway will see what happens :razz:

[DeadWolfBones]

A big part of racing is not always taking things on the limit when it's not safe to do so--i.e., being a smart driver. :)

[J@tko]

I've yet to roll it at the final chicane during practice. I find its dead easy just to smash over the first kerb then basically drive around the second one :shrug:

And Mike, thanks for the sig :D

[Dennis93]

yea last chicane, without exessive cutting on the first kink, its impossible to hit the killer curb, sadly.

[dekojester]

So, having a look at the Reserve List for Round 2 so far, it looks like it will be an intense Reserve Shootout here. And with the tight Fern Bay Gold track, seems to me that getting a clean lap will be extremely critical.

Qualifying for the race itself likely will have the same issues...fast drivers may end up starting well down the order if they are unable to get a good, clean fast lap down in the 15 minutes.

And from my view, the race can be clean and SC free if drivers respect the danger points on the track and don't push to the limit when they aren't reasonably able to...back off if you need to to get through safely. Finishing high will be a priority for some low on the points table, so I would expect to see them fighting hard to keep in the top 15...will be interesting to see how they handle themselves in the races. Of course, there will be 15 people trying to usurp some people from the top 15, so they have more to fight for. If I were in the top 3 or four in the points tables, I'd focus on a decent points finish to keep myself away from the back half of the top 15. But that's just me, and my observations as a commentator.

See you all in a couple weeks for the racing !

:D

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[Dennis93]

wauw, thats gonna take a while to shoot out with all these ppl :D

Exciting aswell, i told the rest of the #1 and #2 Renesis team to sign up asap.

[Dizzydarryn]

Bring on the shootout... i got lots to make up for...

Should be a ripper

[Dennis93]

Some help for those who wants it, did i pretty decent lap with my little weight penalty, 0.20 off my pb.

[Hypothraxer]

Can anyone post their split times? I have a slight suspicion that I'm losing a boatload of time in the last turn (and in the first chicane). Mine are:

27.90 - 1:01.84 - 1:20.98

Still got at least a second to go I guess - else I won't see the race :)

Edit: Bleh - posted one second too late I guess ;) Although I can't open that file - LFS says it was made with a later version.

[J@tko]

I've got 27.64, 1.01.64, 1.20.59 as my pb.

Rudy's getting low 27s, mid 1.00s and mid 1.19s , so you're not so far off the pace. :thumbsup:

[Dennis93]

it's in my replay :)

[Fastwalker]

1:19.36 so far here
happy i dont have much weight penalty :p

[Hypothraxer]

Rudy's getting low 27s, mid 1.00s and mid 1.19s , so you're not so far off the pace. :thumbsup:

Doesn't help me much :) Losing ~0.7s to the best just in Split 1 is rather frustrating (especially since it's similar to Westhill. There I lost 0.7s just in T1 ;) ).

it's in my replay :)

Again: I can't play it because I'm not using Test patches :)

[Fastwalker]

his splits were 27.4x and 1:00.68
1:19.30 laptime

[Hypothraxer]

Sounds promising - I'm losing 0.5s per sector. Now I just need to find a way to drive faster :b

[Rudy van Buren]

I've got 27.64, 1.01.64, 1.20.59 as my pb.

Rudy's getting low 27s, mid 1.00s and mid 1.19s , so you're not so far off the pace.

its already into low 19's ;)

dont forget i got 34kg :schwitz:

[Hypothraxer]

Right - I found the reason why I was so slow. I was driving with 43 kg of ballast.....

[Dennis93]

Right - I found the reason why I was so slow. I was driving with 43 kg of ballast.....

/facepalm

[Rudy van Buren]

Letting the tires last 17 laps is such a big problem for me :D

130oC in lap ~5 :D

[Fastwalker]

hmm they get 125-130 after 7 or 8 laps here, and pretty much stay like that untill lap 17

doing mid-low 1:19's every lap

[Rudy van Buren]

Wish i could balast is killor here in quali its 'oke' but in race it cost so much time doing low 20's :shrug:

[Dennis93]

Wish i could balast is killor here in quali its 'oke' but in race it cost so much time doing low 20's :shrug:

havnt made a Quali set yet, so..... 18.1 for me now :P

[Kid222]

Is any difference between proper and 32% restricted setup? (not including tyres)

I cant get under 1:20. :shrug:

[Dennis93]

Is any difference between proper and 32% restricted setup? (not including tyres)

I cant get under 1:20. :shrug:

well alittle less df about -2 on both front and rear
i think 14/1-2 is ok, and suspension is alittle higher for me.

[Hypothraxer]

havnt made a Quali set yet, so..... 18.1 for me now :P

1:18.1? Dear god - and I thought I was closing in :/ My best (without ballast) is 1:19.68

[boothy]

1:18.1? Dear god - and I thought I was closing in :/ My best (without ballast) is 1:19.68

His online PB is a 19.1 so maybe (hopefully!) it was a typo :scratchch

[Fastwalker]

1:18.1 is impossible i think lol
unless im missing something

pole will be high (maybe mid) 1:18 imo

[Dennis93]

no, i did a 18.5 offline, and believe it or not, but i did it, and havent done the combo since :x

[Thunderhead]

no, i did a 18.5 offline, and believe it or not, but i did it, and havent done the combo since :x


So we can count on 1:17:7xx and faster from the top guns? OK.

[Hypothraxer]

So we can count on 1:17:7xx and faster from the top guns? OK.

Please no :b 1:18.5 already sounds like from outer space. I'd be glad if I reach low 1:19s.

[Dennis93]

sorry thunderhead, but i am a top gun.. duuh



sarcasm

[Fastwalker]

hmm ok i just bought a g25 :p
ive never ever driven with a wheel yet tho, so theres a good chance im gonna suck next race :)

will be training my ass of this week tho

[Hypothraxer]

If anyone of the fast guys could give me a hint why I'm losing ~1 second I'd appreciate it very much:

http://n.ethz.ch/~dnovak/download/1%5ec19.62.spr

(Major culprits are the turn before the bridge and the last turn before the start-finish line. But I can't imagine that I lose 0.5s each there).

[anttt69]

Would any nice person care to share there setup, i'm stuck @ 1.20 with no chance of lasting 17 laps.

[rc10racer]

Dam i forgot about this series, still stuck in the 1.20s :shy:.

EDIT: this is why

[hyntty]

I don't think I'll be arsed to show up sunday. I've got exams going on so I'll rather focus on them. Secondly I'm not particularly interested in driving for 17th position on track.

[Thunderhead]

I wont be racing on sunday.:(

[Tomhah]

I can't drive this race =/ I really want, but I can't. See you at round three :)

[Gil07]

I won't be making the shootout either, sorry :(

[anttt69]

Sad to see all of these drop outs but it it does mean more chance for the rest of us to make it into the main event :).

Just to confirm the shootout is a hot lapping knockout comp right? Based on one flying lap. Then the top 15 go into the main event.

[Joe_Keaveney]

Sad to see all of these drop outs but it it does mean more chance for the rest of us to make it into the main event :).

Just to confirm the shootout is a hot lapping knockout comp right? Based on one flying lap. Then the top 15 go into the main event.

There are 2 Shootouts. You will be in one of them.

The shootout is 20 minutes long. In that 20 minutes you do as many laps as you see fit. After both shootouts have finished, I combine the results from both shootouts and the top 15 from the combined list go through to the race meeting itself.

I hope this hasn't come across as terse, I just wanted to clarify the situation for you. I think this is written in the rules anyway, but if you need clarity then the passage above should provide it. Please let me know if you're happy with the explanation as I don't want anyone to not know what is going on :D

[anttt69]

I think its the way you write things Joe, you've gone to the trouble of explaining but you still have not made it clear that it is 20mins of hot lapping & your fastest lap will count. The shootout could be a 20min race for all we know.

I admire your enthusiasm but you seem to rush yourself when replying to queries. here too (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=52919&page=2)

Keep up the good work this is proving to be a very popular championship.

[Dennis93]

anyone comming for some practise tonight? could be nice to see wich pace people are up to and, how/if they can improve :)

[DeadWolfBones]

I think its the way you write things Joe, you've gone to the trouble of explaining but you still have not made it clear that it is 20mins of hot lapping & your fastest lap will count. The shootout could be a 20min race for all we know.

I admire your enthusiasm but you seem to rush yourself when replying to queries. here too (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=52919&page=2)

Keep up the good work this is proving to be a very popular championship.


He made it plenty clear.

The shootout is 20 minutes long. In that 20 minutes you do as many laps as you see fit.

I've never heard of a race where you do "as many laps as you see fit." :tilt:

It's a normal 20min qual session. The results from the two 20min sessions will be combined and the top 15 from the combined list go through to race.

[Joe_Keaveney]

Have posted this in the sign-ups thread also:

'Just to re-iterate this point in the rules to new drivers for Round 2 of the iTCC.

At the second and each subsequent round of the championship, any driver entering the championship for the first time that season will have a 'new-entrant' ballast of 30 Kgs for that round.

You are not required to carry ballast for your Shooutout Session, but you ARE required to carry the 30 Kgs of ballast if you are new to the iTCC for Round 2 and have qualified from the Shootouts to the Main Event. There IS a software checker on the server that WILL auto-spec/auto-pit you if you try to break this rule.

Cheers

Joe Keaveney'

[J@tko]

I probably won't be there Sunday, and I certainly won't be if I can't get my laptop to boot :(

[anttt69]

He made it plenty clear.

How is "20 minute shootout" clear? What kind of shootout is it? Whats the format? In order for it be clear you must define "shootout".
He never mentions qualifying, fastest laps, or hotlapping so it is far from 'Clear'.

[Rudy van Buren]

1.18.8 offline with 34kg :D (19.1 online atm )

[Hypothraxer]

I'm going to cry in a corner now.

[Klouczech]

Im not going to cry because qualification is not so important here....
Rudy are you going over or behing the second hip in the last chicane?

[Hypothraxer]

I have to qualify through the shootout though - so my tears are justified!

[Joe_Keaveney]

TO clarify a point under discussion recently,

Drivers who have not competed in QUALIFYING OR THE RACES of a previous round of the iTCC


will carry 'new-entrant' ballast (30Kgs) in qualifying and the races of the Round in which they are competing if they make it through the Reserve Shootout of that round.

I believe this clarifies the issue. This position is in keeping with the spirit of the ballast rules.

Cheers

Joe Keaveney

[racer hero]

TO clarify a point under discussion recently,

Drivers who have not competed in QUALIFYING OR THE RACES of a previous round of the iTCC


will carry 'new-entrant' ballast (30Kgs) in qualifying and the races of the Round in which they are competing if they make it through the Reserve Shootout of that round.
I believe this clarifies the issue. This position is in keeping with the spirit of the ballast rules.

Cheers


Joe Keaveney

So if I competed in the reserve shootout for round 1, I still have to carry new entrant ballast? Even though I am proved to be slower because I didn't make it into race 1?

[Joe_Keaveney]

So if I competed in the reserve shootout for round 1, I still have to carry new entrant ballast? Even though I am proved to be slower because I didn't make it into race 1?

Correct, Kenneth. The ballast system is designed so new entrants to the races (i.e. qualifying & races) are not running at an advantage to others. I agree that in the early rounds the system may be weighted heavily against new entrants, but it favours them towards the end of the championship.

We'll be looking at how to improve this for next season. (Please don't use this thread to discuss said improvements, I'll make a seperate thread soon)

Good luck in the Shootout by the way, mate! You were in a class of your own yesterday in the FOXs, if you drive like that today 30 Kgs won't be too much of a problem to you anyway. :thumb:

Cheers

Joe

[J@tko]

Hmm, I actually might make it now :tilt:

Laptop's working, I just need to get through the shootout :schwitz:

[TFalke55]

Hmm, I actually might make it now :tilt:

Laptop's working, I just need to get through the shootout :schwitz:

at least someone of NDR

I won't make it due to personal and privat commitments :( I'm sorry

[anttt69]

what about the lap of aston does that count as qualifying?

[boothy]

Given this is Fern Bay Gold Reversed I somehow don't think so... :really:

[Mp3 Astra]

what about the lap of aston does that count as qualifying?

I think Ken's question combined with Joe's answer made that fairly clear. Just drive, dude, and don't get hung up on all the pedanticness of the rules!

[anttt69]

a simple yes or no would have done :shrug:.

I dont really see why new drivers should be penalised? It seems like you are just protecting the round one drivers. Even if we did get through we still have to carry 30kg's in the race why? It seems a little unfair tbh.

Any particular reason for this rule?

[dekojester]

a simple yes or no would have done :shrug:.

I dont really see why new drivers should be penalised? It seems like you are just protecting the round one drivers. Even if we did get through we still have to carry 30kg's in the race why? It seems a little unfair tbh.

Any particular reason for this rule?

Mostly to prevent someone who didn't know about the series but say, sees a broadcast and says, "This is cool ! I'ma race !" and to stop this person pwnting everyone who's been in it in previous round should the newcomer be an alien.

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[travyd]

because at the end of the season, the championship leader could be carrying alot of ballast because of their points score, so to make it that new comers don't just blitz the field because they don't have any points (therefore no ballast) is a tad unfair on those who have been in the championship for the majority of the season.

[Kid222]

I still suck @ 1:20,5.:schwitz:

Could any good soul send me setup for this?:shy:

[CSF]

Mostly to prevent someone who didn't know about the series but say, sees a broadcast and says, "This is cool ! I'ma race !" and to stop this person pwnting everyone who's been in it in previous round should the newcomer be an alien.

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In that case then there is no point in the shootout, as it is very likely that "new" drivers will plod around at the back, and be put back in the shootout for the next race... :shrug: I also don't see why this was not put in for Round 1 in that case, given those that did the test race were protected anyway, and those in the shootout were "new"...

[Hypothraxer]

I'm not sure if everyone understands it correctly:

In the shootout you're not carrying any ballast.

If were not competing in the race / qualification in the last event you are required to carry 30 kg of ballast if you make it past the shootout and into the race / qualification.

If you participated in the race in the last event but did not make it into the top 15 thus having to do the shootout you are not required to carry ballast in the next race / qualification if you manage to get into the race again via the shootout.

[J@tko]

Just did a 1.20.1. :really: - 0.5 better than my previous pb.

Whoever it was, I was joking when I said about installing an extra turbo :schwitz:

[Mischief007]

I'm not sure if everyone understands it correctly:

In the shootout you're not carrying any ballast.

If were not competing in the race / qualification in the last event you are required to carry 30 kg of ballast if you make it past the shootout and into the race / qualification.

If you participated in the race in the last event but did not make it into the top 15 thus having to do the shootout you are not required to carry ballast in the next race / qualification if you manage to get into the race again via the shootout.

That answered my question. Thanks

Just did a 1.20.1. :really: - 0.5 better than my previous pb.

Whoever it was, I was joking when I said about installing an extra turbo :schwitz:

Pfft...

[audimasta]

When do the locked drivers have to be on the server?

[Joe_Keaveney]

When do the locked drivers have to be on the server?

17:30 GMT onwards :)

:thumb:

joe keaveney

[pacesetter]

Just drove the track and car combo, turn 1 is gonna be a cracker! :schwitz: God help the pole sitter, :D

[J@tko]

I'll be there any minute - my LFS is cocking up and not letting me in :schwitz:

[Bee]

Sorry haven't been able to join up, 20 minute journey ended up being an hour and a half thanks to snow. I'll be there for Round 3. :)