Test Patch Z8 - online compatible (no VW)

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST

NOTE : THE VW SCIROCCO IS NOT INCLUDED


Hello Racers, here is a new Test Patch : Z8.

It is fully online compatible with version Z.
You can view hotlap replays made in version Z.

ABS brakes have been added to 5 cars (as a setup option) so for now you cannot upload hotlaps made in Z8.

Please keep a backup of your LFS.exe from version Z so you can go back to Z if there are any problems.


Changes in TEST PATCH Z8 :

ATTEMPTED FIX : Flickering shadow outline on some graphics drivers

KNOWN ISSUES :

LX4 number plate goes through spare tyre
Flickering wheel colour when changing rim colour

CAN'T REPRODUCE :

Mouse steering only full lock after SHIFT+F4

Changes in TEST PATCH Z7 :

InSim : Traction Control and ABS are now reported in IS_NPL packet
FIX : Setup related multiplayer OOS bugs affecting test patch users

Changes in TEST PATCH Z6 :

ABS brakes removed from XF GTI
FIX : Crash in D3D8.dll (related to shadows)

Changes in TEST PATCH Z5 :

New language included : Español Latino (still need to add a flag)
FIX : Crash on closing LFS from multiplayer while tyres displayed
FIX : Shadow stretching bug on some graphics cards

Changes in TEST PATCH Z4 :

FIX : Polygon errors seen on some graphics cards
FIX : It was impossible to join an online race with a demo car

Changes in TEST PATCH Z3 :

Updated wheels on Formula BMW
Implemented ABS brakes in XFG / XRG / RB4 / FXO / XRT / FZ5
Improved wheel drawing system including rotating brake discs
Improved shadows - sharper and ambient shadow effect now included
InSim : New packets to start / search replays and take screenshots
FIX : Player name was wrong in entry screen on entry or after replay
FIX : Added checks to prevent guests joining with no user name or ID
FIX : OOS starting race after joining autocross host in entry screen


DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Z to Z8 (Version Z must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Z_TO_Z8.exe (1.6 MB)

DEDICATED HOST Z8 (non-graphical version for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Z8.zip (1.6 MB)

[snowinddd]

thank you:)

[Takumi_lfs]

I just saw the Z6 and then poof Z7?

[BastianB]

I just saw the Z6 and then poof Z7?
lol +1 good work devs kepp on!

[[RF]-art555]

Dear Devs,
Since FBM got new wheels, maybe updating the car selection screen is needed as you can see the old rims on the pic?

[tristancliffe]

Despite fear of irony, why not only post in these threads if you have a bug/problem/question. No need for 'thank you' or 'wow, amazing, great work mate' posts. They just make it harder (and take longer) for Scawen to find the bug reports or for other people to see if their bug has been posted before.

[_rod_]

Just got the mouse full lock, will try to reproduce it

[amp88]

ATTEMPTED FIX : Flickering shadow outline on some graphics drivers


Sadly I'm having the exact same problem with Z7 as I was having previously. I'll attach another video but it's the same problem.

ATi Radeon HD3870X2 card.
Catalyst 8.12 drivers.

edit: Attached video.

[_rod_]

Ok still cant find a way to reproduce it, but both times i was swithicn from full screnn to window, them when i pressed esc to go to pits, change setup, and when i got back oin track it had full lock on... i still trying to find a way to reproduce, juts thought i post this bit of info...

edit: Both times i got it, i was on windown mode, not full scren

[Pablo.CZ]

You can view hotlap replays made in version Z.

Previous thread was closed before I included download link.

I still have problems (in Z7 too) with SPR Z replays, I get replay OOS error.
(error in 15.29s - http://rapidshare.com/files/174557964/ALeRT_Pablo_SO5_LX6_6th.zip.html)

[Fire_optikz001]

idk if this is a bug or not but this is rly buggung me the fz5 dont have sloted and drilled disk brakes while every other car does

[Scawen]

idk if this is a bug or not but this is rly buggung me the fz5 dont have sloted and drilled disk brakes while every other car doesI think only the XRT / RB4 / FXO have drilled discs. Because they are sporty / upmarket models but not TOO sporty.

Very high performance cars and racing cars do not normally use slotted discs because they can fracture (and some other reasons).

[teeembo]

Hi,

Dunno if you saw my post

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1011745#post1011745

Or maybe should go in another section (like Improvements).

Cheers.

[Scawen]

Sadly I'm having the exact same problem with Z7 as I was having previously. I'll attach another video but it's the same problem.

ATi Radeon HD3870X2 card.
Catalyst 8.12 drivers.

edit: Attached video.Please could you - and anyone else with shadow problems - try this attached exe?

It's Z8 and I just tried using a different approach for new and old cards.

I think yours is classified as "new" and will benefit from this small change.

EDIT : Fix confirmed, attached exe removed - first post now changed to Z8.

[tonyonparas]

Now fix the issues with the cars, LX4 has that numberplate bug and when u put the roof on and turn the wheel, the drivers arm comes trough the side. Also in XFG the drivers left foot is sticking trough the wheelarch. It seems like the driver has grown bigger :scratchch

[Scawen]

Now fix the issues with the carsNo, I'll do them when I feel like it.

[germanpio]

InSim : Traction Control and ABS are now reported in IS_NPL packet

Is there a plan to implement server commands which disallow the use of tc and/or abs?

[Bean0]

Is there a plan to implement server commands which disallow the use of tc and/or abs?

I think by making it detectable via InSim, Scawen is leaving that up to 3rd parties to implement...much like enforcing the restrictions.

[tonyonparas]

No, I'll do them when I feel like it.
Of course. I just ment that I think those would be the primary things to do in the next test patch.
I didn´t mean to rush you. I can see that you can get that feeling from my post. :)

[Scawen]

Is there a plan to implement server commands which disallow the use of tc and/or abs?
I don't know, I just did what I could do quickly.

I'm about to stop working for the year so I am just trying to leave you with a stable test patch.

[amp88]

Please could you - and anyone else with shadow problems - try this attached exe?

It's Z8 and I just tried using a different approach for new and old cards.

I think yours is classified as "new" and will benefit from this small change.

From a quick test that appears to have fixed the problem! :thumb:

I'll give it a more thorough test later (and hopefully others who had the problem will too), but this looks promising. Thanks.

[Furiously-Fast]

Thanks again for the great new patch! :thumb:(have to keep installing stuff!:schwitz:)

No, I'll do them when I feel like it.

Yeah, do them when you feel like it. Those are minor probs that don't bug me. Take more time into things people think they will enjoy, and make people play longer, not serious critics will get annoyed with.:nod:

[dustthatass]

The devs are quick!!!:jawdrop:

Well, thanks anyway!

[Scawen]

Of course. I just ment that I think those would be the primary things to do in the next test patch.
I didn´t mean to rush you. I can see that you can get that feeling from my post. :)Well, it just sounded like you were giving me an order, after I worked late last night and all morning.

Never mind anyway...

The LX4 fix is delayed because it creates a hotlap OOS.

[Luke.S]

Your working your ass of Scawen you deserve a brake. But January 5th back to work :P JK. Anyway Merry Christmas Scawen

[PioneerLv]

If i'm not wrong, then for me Z8 is ok. No problems with shadows so far. Thanks Scawen!

[Flame CZE]

I don't know, I just did what I could do quickly.

I'm about to stop working for the year so I am just trying to leave you with a stable test patch.
May I ask, will you release the VWS and the stop working or how?

[Luke.S]

Wait wasn't this the Z7 thread a minute ago. Lol producing test patches at the rate of 2 every 10 minutes.

[Scawen]

May I ask, will you release the VWS and the stop working or how?Err, no : http://www.lfs.net/

[Flame CZE]

Err, no : http://www.lfs.net/
It says VWS is about to be released early in 2009 and you said you will stop working for a year so if I understand correctly, the VWS will be released after 1 year?

[J@tko]

It says VWS is about to be released early in 2009 and you said you will stop working for a year so if I understand correctly, the VWS will be released after 1 year?
He's stopping work for this year, i.e 2008 :thumb:

He's not taking 2009 off :razz:

[PioneerLv]

Early in 2009 - in first months of 2009

[Bean0]

It says VWS is about to be released early in 2009 and you said you will stop working for a year so if I understand correctly, the VWS will be released after 1 year?

He is not stopping working for 1 year, just stopping work for this year :)

[PioneerLv]

Internet is so slow... :D

[Flame CZE]

He is not stopping working for 1 year, just stopping work for this year :)
Oh god, sorry to all, I just read "for a year" instead the, sorry. :spin:

[Luke.S]

It says VWS is about to be released early in 2009 and you said you will stop working for a year so if I understand correctly, the VWS will be released after 1 year?

He means he is stopping working for 2008

[EliteAti]

Very fast patch day today Scawen. =)

[feat]

Guys, could you just work till you check no mistakes or something ?
I mean, patches are coming minute by minute ..

[Gills4life]

He said he would stop working for the year and we are into the last month of the year. So he will take a well earned break for the christmas period and then start working again in 2009.

[thatguy]

This is a problem that i saw in patch Z7 i don't know if it would be any different in Z8 and I have no idea how to recreate this.

Happened to be watching someone elses tire temps when i saw this. The tire temps were flickering from orange back to the actual temps back and forth. If this is a known issue sorry.

[St4Lk3R]

This is a problem that i saw in patch Z7 i don't know if it would be any different in Z8 and I have no idea how to recreate this.

Happened to be watching someone elses tire temps when i saw this. The tire temps were flickering from orange back to the actual temps back and forth. If this is a known issue sorry.

errr... aren't the orange tyres displayed when the ABS kicks in? I can't see a bug here.

[robt]

that "orange flickering" is the ABS :thumb:
Edit: too slow

[J@tko]

I get this sound error as soon as I boot Z8 up :shrug:


Sound error (Play:B -2004287465),
and then this when I'm actually in a race:
No sound (Play:Z -2004287465)

Specs:
T570 Intel Dual Core
9500 GeForce
4GB Ram

BTW would it make a difference that I'm on battery power atm?

[robt]

tried the re-initialize sound button? (Ctrl n something, cant remember)

[J@tko]

tried the re-initialize sound button? (Ctrl n something, cant remember)
Just booted LFS up again and sound is fine :really:

I'll post again if it happens again :thumbsup:

[amp88]

Just booted LFS up again and sound is fine :really:

I'll post again if it happens again :thumbsup:

Are you running Vista? I get those errors if I disconnect my speaker plug and plug in my headset while LFS is running. I need to restart LFS to get the sound working properly again.

[J@tko]

Are you running Vista? I get those errors if I disconnect my speaker plug and plug in my headset while LFS is running. I need to restart LFS to get the sound working properly again.
Yah I am. Headset was plugged in all the time :thumbsup:

[-YR-BDINGU]

Thanks Scawen. You deffinetly deserve a nice relaxing break! Also, I have a question. Do you plan on adding more real life vehicles to LFS in the future?

[Scawen]

Guys, could you just work till you check no mistakes or something ?
I mean, patches are coming minute by minute ..Some bugs I have been dealing with are specific to individual computers.

YOU are testing it for me. What on earth do you think a "test patch" in a "Patch TEST Forum" is?

If you don't want to test, please wait for the official version. It is quite ridiculous to complain that I'm asking people to test a shadow bug that is specific to their computer and does not appear on mine. This forum is for a minority of our users who wish to test things to help me get them right.

[Flame CZE]

Scawen, when a translator made an online update to the translation, will you be noticed about it? I'm asking because Victor and you had a different answer for it and if I have to inform you about new updates or not.

[Nitrous13270]

I was driving on Blackwood Reversed with RB4 in auto gear. I was at gear 3, applied brake, and pressed shift down during midturn and somehow the car went into reverse all of a sudden, skipping 2nd, 1st, and neutral gear. I'm using a MOMO steering wheel with paddles to shift btw... not an H-Shifter.

I couldn't reproduce the bug and sadly... I don't have a replay, since LFS didn't record it.

[amp88]

Yah I am. Headset was plugged in all the time :thumbsup:

Ok, I get those errors too then. Whenever I change the configuration (either removing the speaker plug and plugging the headset in or vice versa). It's been happening for me since I got Vista, though, so it's not just specific to Z or these test patches.

I was driving on Blackwood Reversed with RB4 in auto gear. I was at gear 3, applied brake, and pressed shift down during midturn and somehow the car went into reverse all of a sudden, skipping 2nd, 1st, and neutral gear. I'm using a MOMO steering wheel with paddles to shift btw... not an H-Shifter.

Do you have the replay of it? Can you reproduce the problem (by following the same steps)?

[Nitrous13270]

Do you have the replay of it? Can you reproduce the problem (by following the same steps)?

Nope. I couldn't reproduce the problem and the game did not record at that time.

Edit: Could it be a random problem with the steering wheel's paddle though? I'm starting to suspect that its my wheel, even though its still in a very good condition.

[Scawen]

Scawen, when a translator made an online update to the translation, will you be noticed about it? I'm asking because Victor and you had a different answer for it and if I have to inform you about new updates or not.I do not get a notification. But please don't tell me if there is an update to the main LFS text or the help text. I check for any updates before a patch, though I may forget to check sometimes if I make a quick test patch.

If you update the LFS.net web page text then Victor should be notified.

[ACCAkut]

Nope. I couldn't reproduce the problem and the game did not record at that time.

Edit: Could it be a random problem with the steering wheel's paddle though? I'm starting to suspect that its my wheel, even though its still in a very good condition.

could bei a electronical problem on the wheel itself, happened to me too

[rc10racer]

Changes in TEST PATCH Z8 :

ATTEMPTED FIX : Flickering shadow outline on some graphics drivers

I can say that the Shadow flicking problem with ATI cards when playing with crossfire enabled is fixed for me with 8.12 Driver version in Z8 :thumb:.

[Shadowww]

I get this sound error as soon as I boot Z8 up :shrug:


Sound error (Play:B -2004287465),
and then this when I'm actually in a race:
No sound (Play:Z -2004287465)

Specs:
T570 Intel Dual Core
9500 GeForce
4GB Ram

BTW would it make a difference that I'm on battery power atm?
You better post name of your sound card and driver version, i don't think if processor/video/ram are needed there :nod:

[ESPAÑA[XTM]]

CAN'T REPRODUCE :

Mouse steering only full lock after SHIFT+F4

That´s happened me too :shrug:

[Töki (HUN)]

Thanks Scawen! :thumb:

[robt]

I was driving on Blackwood Reversed with RB4 in auto gear. I was at gear 3, applied brake, and pressed shift down during midturn and somehow the car went into reverse all of a sudden, skipping 2nd, 1st, and neutral gear. I'm using a MOMO steering wheel with paddles to shift btw... not an H-Shifter.

I couldn't reproduce the bug and sadly... I don't have a replay, since LFS didn't record it.
used to get that sometimes with auto gears on keys, i think its when you pres the gear down button the split second the car has been put into neutral by the auto gears. so it goes in a natural progression from N to R for gear down.

[Whiskey]

used to get that sometimes with auto gears on keys, i think its when you pres the gear down button the split second the car has been put into neutral by the auto gears. so it goes in a natural progression from N to R for gear down.

Thats the most logical explanation I've read ever. :thumb:

[R3DMAN]

not a problem but a preference..

can you change it so all the road going cars have none drilled discs and the race cars have drilled or grooved..

can i suggest these tho.. for the racing cars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/777777/harropbrakesVE004.jpg

[UnknownMaster21]

not A Problem But A Preference..

Can You Change It So All The Road Going Cars Have None Drilled Discs And The Race Cars Have Drilled Or Grooved..

Can I Suggest These Tho.. For The Racing Cars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v340/777777/harropbrakesve004.jpg



+1

EDIT: But I think RB4 GT and XR GT Turbo, also FZ50 and LX6 Should be leave those discs

RaceAbout: I dunno for that

[Whiskey]

A minor thng to fix.

In the main screen it still saying that it's Z7

[Mikko1]

Good Work Scawen

... Testing LFS :)...

Good Patch and Repairring errors on game :tilt:

[elmohellno]

what does "no VW" mean?

[Flame CZE]

what does "no VW" mean?
That there is no Volkswagen Scirocco included.

[UnknownMaster21]

That there is no Volkswagen Scirocco included.


And it will be only official patch.

[Flame CZE]

And it will be only official patch.
Nobody knows. Maybe not but it's probable.

[Scawen]

A minor thng to fix.

In the main screen it still saying that it's Z7Looks ok here - I think you must have installed it wrongly.

[Whiskey]

Looks ok here - I think you must have installed it wrongly.
Ok, for a some weird reason windows copy all files but exe (the most probable thing is a fail from my part hehe)

[PioneerLv]

No problems with version detection after installation of Z8. :thumb:

[UnknownMaster21]

Ok, for a some weird reason windows copy all files but exe (the most probable thing is a fail from my part hehe)


You have vista:

First Unzip in your desktop, then remove them into your LFS Folder

(Remember to keep backup 0.5Z)

[R3DMAN]

just to add on my previous post..

the following should have (if real cars and imo) standard solid discs

UF1
XFG
XRG
LX4
LX6
RB4
FXO
XRT
FZ50
BF1

the rest should have the racing spec ones.

just my opinion of cause.

[phoenixIlooka]

Hey I dunno where to post but I found little mistake on the LX4/LX6.

The front headlights are not fixed to the rest of the car :-)

Small bug but but somehow it bothers me ;-)

EDIT: And if you take a female driver in LX4/LX6 your ass gets contact do the ground, try it and look under the car ;-)

[R3DMAN]

lol i never noticed that before lol

[_rod_]

Juts got this while i was messing around. I left the pits, tryed to drift hitted the wall, and got this error... i was in the drivers view. Not chase when it happened

[91mason91]

Juts got this while i was messing around. I left the pits, tryed to drift hitted the wall, and got this error... i was in the drivers view. Not chase when it happened

time to update ur GFX card drivers or a GFX card altogether :thumb:

[VoiD]

TBO/KY2:

Noticed some weired crackling sound when you go near to the walls.

Happened when on Heli- and Tv-cam, but not on cockpit- or chase-view. Sounds like some faulty echo/reverb.

[TimberBunny]

It could be a clipping problem based on your speakers/computer's individual volumes, if it's not an actual LFS issue. Check your volumes and make sure they're not too high to take the additional sound volume added by the reverb/echo effect.

[VoiD]

My setup is still the same. Not even touched the volume. The only change is the upgrade from Z6 to Z8...

[branney]

I was driving on Blackwood Reversed with RB4 in auto gear. I was at gear 3, applied brake, and pressed shift down during midturn and somehow the car went into reverse all of a sudden, skipping 2nd, 1st, and neutral gear. I'm using a MOMO steering wheel with paddles to shift btw... not an H-Shifter.

since it happened when your were both cornering and braking at the same time, and it did not happen before, my hunch is it might be related to the implementation of the new ABS? (not sure how)

Robt - did this happen to you before ABS was introduced to LFS?

[robt]

happened for about 2 years now :D

[Inouva]

just to add on my previous post..

the following should have (if real cars and imo) standard solid discs

UF1
XFG
XRG
LX4
LX6
RB4
FXO
XRT
FZ50
BF1

the rest should have the racing spec ones.

just my opinion of cause.

Just is ok in the way is now

IF you dont like the new Breake disc
Donwnload another texture and replace it and done

Why so much problem for something so insignificant :shrug:

[shiny_red_cobra]

I'm surprised the GTRs aren't using the drilled disc. Why are the TBOs the only ones using the drilled disc?

[Whiskey]

I'm surprised the GTRs aren't using the drilled disc. Why are the TBOs the only ones using the drilled disc?

Scawen said that drilled disc could break on racing usage, and creamic disc or carbond disc are not drilled.

[df_limitless]

Minor cosmetic issue:

Although new indicator lights have been implemented on the speedometer for the headlights, pit lane speed limiter, traction control, etc., the virtual clocks mode does not reflect this new feature.

[mathew4445]

I am currently on Z4 and Apparently its not online compatible:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/954/64287765kd6.jpg

[mkinnov8]

Upgrade to Z8, problem solved... Sometimes previous test patches are not compatable with more up to date ones..

[mathew4445]

Upgrade to Z8, problem solved... Sometimes previous test patches are not compatable with more up to date ones..

I'm not an idiot, Please think before posting - The thread title is Test Patch Z8 - online compatible (no VW) (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1012520#post1012520). Some people only update servers for this reason.

[JasonJ]

I am currently on Z4 and Apparently its not online compatible:

I'm not an idiot, Please think before posting - The thread title is Test Patch Z8 - online compatible (no VW) (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1012520#post1012520). Some people only update servers for this reason.

Seeing that you said that you were using Z4 client, I think he made a valid comment. The Z4 client is has now been made obselete, it had bugs and also had ABS in the XFG, it was made obsoloete on purpose.

All the Z dedi servers are still compatible, it's the client Z4,5 that was made incompatible.

Hope you understand what I mean. :schwitz:

[mathew4445]

Seeing that you said that you were using Z4 client, I think he made a valid comment. The Z4 client is has now been made obselete, it had bugs and also had ABS in the XFG, it was made obsoloete on purpose.

All the Z dedi servers are still compatible, it's the client Z4,5 that was made incompatible.

Hope you understand what I mean. :schwitz:

No, You didn't make a valid comment.

How do you get its become obsolete, Z4 was compatible with a Z host.

So, if you cant work it out, Z host had no ABS, while Z4 had abs on cars, So there would be no reason why Z4 would not be compatible with Z8.

Like i said, Think before you post.

[Degats]

I assume they were made obsolete because of the OOS bug - one person with the wrong setup running Z4/5 could force several others to loose connection to the server at the same time. As this bug was fixed in a later version, it makes sense to make the old ones incompatible.
A lack of ABS in the XFG is unlikely to be the reason - you can't post hotlaps in the test versions anyway.

[mathew4445]

I assume they were made obsolete because of the OOS bug - one person with the wrong setup running Z4/5 could force several others to loose connection to the server at the same time. As this bug was fixed in a later version, it makes sense to make the old ones incompatible.
A lack of ABS in the XFG is unlikely to be the reason - you can't post hotlaps in the test versions anyway.

This is the response I was looking for. Thanks for clearing that up.

@Scawen: Would it be possible to add next to the Z4/5 info that they are obsolete? Just to avoid confusion.

[Gunn]

Like i said, Think before you post.You should take your own advice. These are test patches. The idea is to help Scawen to troubleshoot issues so that he can make a stable patch. If you aren't using the latest test patch then you can't be sure that a particular issue still exists anymore. Therefore, every time a new test patch comes out the older test patches are superceded. If you want to help with the test patches, use the latest one. It's been updated for good reasons, which should be obvious.

The responses you received were valid. People trying to help you. You were rude.

[KanseiDneova]

hmm not sure if this is a hardware or lfs problem. in cockpit view the mirrors work but viewing the mirrors from outside it is black. I have a EVGA GeForce 9800GT with the latest drivers. I have the same error in Z as well as Z8. I think the mirrors from outside worked when I had the nvidia geforce 5600. Reason I think its a bug because mirrors work just fine in interior but not outside. Though I will try a different driver later to see if it can be fixed. Anyone else with same problem?

[Specht77]

hmm not sure if this is a hardware or lfs problem. in cockpit view the mirrors work but viewing the mirrors from outside it is black. I have a EVGA GeForce 9800GT with the latest drivers. I have the same error in Z as well as Z8. I think the mirrors from outside worked when I had the nvidia geforce 5600. Reason I think its a bug because mirrors work just fine in interior but not outside. Though I will try a different driver later to see if it can be fixed. Anyone else with same problem?

that's not a problem, it's just that LFS never had mirrors in the external view...

[feat]

Some bugs I have been dealing with are specific to individual computers.

YOU are testing it for me. What on earth do you think a "test patch" in a "Patch TEST Forum" is?

If you don't want to test, please wait for the official version. It is quite ridiculous to complain that I'm asking people to test a shadow bug that is specific to their computer and does not appear on mine. This forum is for a minority of our users who wish to test things to help me get them right.

No offence, sorry.

[JEP]

I think i found a little bug in patch Z8, look at the picture and the trees:

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr110/JEPLFS/bugfoundz8.jpg

[Whiskey]

I think i found a little bug in patch Z8, look at the picture and the trees:

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr110/JEPLFS/bugfoundz8.jpg

Low resolution trees, I think is not a bug

[JEP]

Ah, forgot about it.
Sorry.

:x

[mkinnov8]

I never said nor implied you were an idiot, dont put words into my mouth.

What I was saying is that if you were on Z4 like you say, you got the message because the host you were trying to connect to (from your screenshot) was a newer host than the current version of LFS you were on. Thus, upgrading to the latest version available would remove that particualar issue.

I am not an idiot either.

EDIT: I didnt see the other replies before I posted my response, but my post stands.

[Flame CZE]

I found a little bug:..

Go with any car to any track for a race (> 1 lap)
Do a false start
Go to garage
Select another car
Press OK

It will say FALSE START and after a while you will be able to drive.

[Specht77]

I found a little bug:..

Go with any car to any track for a race (> 1 lap)
Do a false start
Go to garage
Select another car
Press OK

It will say FALSE START and after a while you will be able to drive.

it's not a bug, I think it's there on propose, then you can't cheat... like going out of pits when everybody is waiting fot the green light

[mbutcher]

I get the bug where it says: Host is LFS 0.5Z too. What's going on there?

Lampshade / mbutcher

[Karl Morytz]

I am not totally sure, but i noticed "head shake" is now smoother.
i remember a lot of small bumps, now it feels like something is missing...:schwitz:

[Fletch248]

when full patch out guys any ideas?

[Jakg]

That there is no Volkswagen Scirocco included.Volkswagen Scirocco

[Flame CZE]

Volkswagen Scirocco
I know that it's VWS but he asked why there is "no VW" and I showed it to him.

[Jakg]

I know that it's VWS but he asked why there is "no VW" and I showed it to him.Yeah but you got the reason why it's called it wrong :P

[audimasta]

sry about that, some of my friends had some fun with my account.

[Bass-Driver]

sry about that, some of my friends had some fun with my account.

Dont let your friends playing with your lfs account.:(

Because you are gone for 5 min and your friends is still behind your pc. Then they doing some stupid things with your lfs account.

And dont give your lfs account to one of your friends.

[KanseiDneova]

FXO stutters when braking with ABS on

[Inouva]

FXO stutters when braking with ABS on

All cars with abs do that in the game , all depends too how much presure you put in the break bias

[R3DMAN]

Scawen said that drilled disc could break on racing usage, and creamic disc or carbond disc are not drilled.

they could break yes or crack, but the majority of high performance cars use either drilled or groved.

i think that the race cars should use uprated discs, at the moment if i change the discs to grooved then the uf1 also gets them... whitch is abit silly

just go to google an type 'carbon ceramic racing rotors' and come back and tell me again that carbon discs are not drilled

[R3DMAN]

Just is ok in the way is now

IF you dont like the new Breake disc
Donwnload another texture and replace it and done

Why so much problem for something so insignificant :shrug:


right let me explain..

the reason discs have drilled holes in them or grooved lines is to help in cooling and brakefade, amonst other reasons..

the cars i mentioned (except bf1) in the list wouldnt have these types of discs (rotors) as standard because in an everyday situation you would never get the brakes too hot etc..

the discs are not good the way they are now...

i have replaced the drilled ones with solid ones, so now they are all the same (solid), tho i do wish to use drilled discs on the racecars, as a reality thing i would expect them to have the uprated discs.

[GeForz]

Looks like we need another spin-off thread about brake discs :D
Personally I don't care because you normally do not even see the discs while racing...

[R3DMAN]

Looks like we need another spin-off thread about brake discs :D
Personally I don't care because you normally do not even see the discs while racing...

i agree its not something that is really needed, but its just another tick in the box about things being realistic/close to real as possible.

[Flame CZE]

No dude he means stop working to the end of 2008 lol Scirocco should be about mid january from what we can gather just read the main site
If you are responding to my question, it's solved.

[steve30x]

I updated lfs TO Z8 but I still only see rims and tyres in wheel view. Their is no spokes on the wheels nor is there any brake disk.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/429/lfs20081220143824464060ie8.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220143824464060ie8.jpg)

[Flame CZE]

I updated lfs TO Z8 but I still only see rims and tyres in wheel view. Their is no spokes on the wheels nor is there any brake disk.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/429/lfs20081220143824464060ie8.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220143824464060ie8.jpg)
It has been like that since ever...

[Nadeo4441]

It has been like that since ever...
No, try it in Z

[steve30x]

It has been like that since ever...

No it hasnt been like that forever. I had spokes and brake disks in Z but the new patches changed that. I have been playing LFS with 4 years I should know by now.

[Flame CZE]

Tried... it looks almost the same except Z does have brake calipers and discs. Z in the left, Z8 in the right.

[wheel4hummer]

That may not be a bug, they may have intended for it to look like that.

[Bass-Driver]

I updated lfs TO Z8 but I still only see rims and tyres in wheel view. Their is no spokes on the wheels nor is there any brake disk.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/429/lfs20081220143824464060ie8.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220143824464060ie8.jpg)

same here

[steve30x]

Heres my proof. Same car , track and graphics settings

LFS S2 Z8 no spokes or disks
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5497/lfs20081220150822975936qi2.th.jpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220150822975936qi2.jpg)

LFS S2 Z spokes and brakes
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2054/lfs20081220151027296101ji2.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220151027296101ji2.jpg)

[geeman1]

It's because brake discs are now drawn differently than before, hence they cannot be seen from behind.

[steve30x]

It's because brake discs are now drawn differently than before, hence they cannot be seen from behind.

They may be drawn differently but it still doesnt mean that its not a bug. Only the developers can confirm what you have said.

[SamH]

I've always understood the wheel view to be a representative view, nothing more. It's not supposed to be realistic. Wheel-only views are NOT realistic.

What wheel view is, though, is optimal. If you're struggling for FPS, it's recommended that you use wheel view because it's optimised for a maximum FPS. Part of that optimisation is obviously reducing the amount of detail in the wheels. That would obviously include ditching full rim drawing, etc.

It doesn't look wrong at all, in fact it looks like it's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.. giving max FPS.

[steve30x]

I got full view of the rims but the spokes are missing as well as brakes and calipers.

[R3DMAN]

I updated lfs TO Z8 but I still only see rims and tyres in wheel view. Their is no spokes on the wheels nor is there any brake disk.

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/429/lfs20081220143824464060ie8.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220143824464060ie8.jpg)


same with me, i just assumed thats something to do with the new discs.

[scoobyrbac]

With the disk's missing it just look's wrong, but I guess its just one of the things we will have to get used to if it's staying that way.

[Flame CZE]

With the disk's missing it just look's wrong, but I guess its just one of the things we will have to get used to if it's staying that way.
There aren't only brake discs missing - also car body, suspension and axle missing too... I totally agree with SamH.

[scoobyrbac]

There aren't only brake discs missing - also car body, suspension and axle missing too... I totally agree with SamH.

Yeah I know, I have always used the wheel view. It's hard for me to get used to not seeing the brake disc there anymore. I guess taking anything away from the car to get more FPS for people is good.

[steve30x]

I usualy use a bonnet view because I find it to be the easiest view for me to use.

[DaniAv]

shadows on roof when in pits
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5179/dsxj3.jpg

[AndroidXP]

Will people ever stop reporting the same goddamn thing over and over?

[Homeless_Drunk]

Will people ever stop reporting the same goddamn thing over and over?

No, if forum members stopped doing that and pointing out useless things that are not bugs the forums would implode. You have been around long enough to know that. :)

[ACCAkut]

I just had two hungups on Z8 while racing on the [noobs] Destruction Derby server (32 drivers, many physic objects). Screen froze and sound looped, I had to restart via the restart button. Tried it after that with my normal Z exe and everything worked fine. Windows showed me no Error report tho:shrug:

[rockclan]

Hey Scawen!
I found a bug in LFS.

I was configuring this PC for a little lan party.
Since someone else is playing on this pc, I changed the name to her name.
Then I joined my Z2 dedicated server.
But she was in herself, and I could still join.
I have the same name and we can both be in the server.
That should not happen! :O


Screenshot to explain it.


P.S. sorry for the bad quality.
I don't have Photoshop at this PC!

[Smolar]

Z7 dedi host don't send stats to lfsworld(retrives stats like /w pb /w wr, but new pb not stored on lfsw) and sometimes peeps getting connection errors /cpw/couldn't find following position etc errors. I dunno if always in all cases but noticed that today.

[Heiko1]

Read first post then u know why :thumb:

[Smolar]

Great but they didn't have any OOS error i'm sorry and theres nothing about lfsw in 1st post. Sorry if i'm wrong.

[danthebangerboy]

I don't know if this was caused by LFS or not, but i thought i would mention it anyway. I was viewing a replay and paused it to go to the shop. On my return 10 minutes later my comp had restarted itself. As the replay was paused, i guess that it shouldnt be caining my GFX card to the point of it wanting to catch fire and therefore causing windoze to restart, but it may have done. I will sit in a replay with it paused and see if i get any errors if it does it again.

[amp88]

I don't know if this was caused by LFS or not, but i thought i would mention it anyway. I was viewing a replay and paused it to go to the shop. On my return 10 minutes later my comp had restarted itself. As the replay was paused, i guess that it shouldnt be caining my GFX card to the point of it wanting to catch fire and therefore causing windoze to restart, but it may have done. I will sit in a replay with it paused and see if i get any errors if it does it again.

You could take a look at your computer's Event Log to look for the cause of the crash. The process of finding/checking the log is different for different versions of Windows, so if you customise this search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=check+windows+event+log&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) to include your version of Windows you should get a guide on how to find it and search it.

[JasonJ]

Hey Scawen!
I found a bug in LFS.

I was configuring this PC for a little lan party.
Since someone else is playing on this pc, I changed the name to her name.
Then I joined my Z2 dedicated server.
But she was in herself, and I could still join.
I have the same name and we can both be in the server.
That should not happen! :O[snip]
With the same nicknames you can both join a dedi host. This isn't a new bug to the test patches, ie: it does this in the original Z patch. Did you both have the same S2 name, or just the nickname was the same?

[danthebangerboy]

You could take a look at your computer's Event Log to look for the cause of the crash. The process of finding/checking the log is different for different versions of Windows, so if you customise this search (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=check+windows+event+log&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) to include your version of Windows you should get a guide on how to find it and search it.

I checked out the log for system and applications and nothing unexpected, except the usual couple of fails which are useless shite i have stopped from booting with windows such as googleupdate, bonjour (itunes) service, etc. Lots of normal entries of services running within about a minute of eachother which would have been when it re-booted itself but nothing leading upto it. :shrug:

[Feffe85]

No, try it in Z

No it hasnt been like that forever. I had spokes and brake disks in Z but the new patches changed that. I have been playing LFS with 4 years I should know by now.

same here

Heres my proof. Same car , track and graphics settings

LFS S2 Z8 no spokes or disks
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/5497/lfs20081220150822975936qi2.th.jpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220150822975936qi2.jpg)

LFS S2 Z spokes and brakes
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2054/lfs20081220151027296101ji2.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lfs20081220151027296101ji2.jpg)

They may be drawn differently but it still doesnt mean that its not a bug. Only the developers can confirm what you have said.

I got full view of the rims but the spokes are missing as well as brakes and calipers.


I think its an epedemic.. NOBODY can read.. the RIMS have NEVER been seen in wheelview.. END.

I think it´s only good that the disc is gone tho, i mean.. how often do u drive ur real car and use that view + see ur brakediscs? :D

[pjuniorbra]

Hello,

Every time I'm playing online, in my folder LFS there are two setups that are not mine, appear from nowhere, fz5_after.set and fz5_before.set, delete them but is just starting to play online that appear again, my version Z8, and eliminate it, someone will help me correct it.

[steve30x]

I think its an epedemic.. NOBODY can read.. the RIMS have NEVER been seen in wheelview.. END.

I think it´s only good that the disc is gone tho, i mean.. how often do u drive ur real car and use that view + see ur brakediscs? :D

But I do see the rims. Its the spokes and disks are missing. If there was no rims then what would the tyres be attached to? (im being sarcastic BTW(you americans calling wheels rims lol))

[dougie-lampkin]

Every time I'm playing online, in my folder LFS there are two setups that are not mine, appear from nowhere, fz5_after.set and fz5_before.set, delete them but is just starting to play online that appear again, my version Z8, and eliminate it, someone will help me correct it.

Actually, I've been meaning to ask what they are too. I noticed them earlier when I was going for a quick RallyX blast in the FZ :scratchch

[Inouva]

I think its an epedemic.. NOBODY can read.. the RIMS have NEVER been seen in wheelview.. END.

I think it´s only good that the disc is gone tho, i mean.. how often do u drive ur real car and use that view + see ur brakediscs? :D


I remeber a option , You can select see the wheels and breake disc and only wheels without breake disc

But i cant find it.... , Dev remove that option?

[danthebangerboy]

Hello,

Every time I'm playing online, in my folder LFS there are two setups that are not mine, appear from nowhere, fz5_after.set and fz5_before.set, delete them but is just starting to play online that appear again, my version Z8, and eliminate it, someone will help me correct it.

I got them as well, i might try them later and see how they are

[hda]

I've just checked and I also got those two files, interesting.

[el pibe]

i was playing on CTRA and it changed the track. the server was near full and it lagged badly and it kiked me out . i try to re join and the game crashed twice when it was loading the skins.


i couldnt reproduce it.



( sry.... my english dosent suck but it isnt perfect )

[ekze]

Bug report (?)

Can't seem to see my servers at lfsworld.net, while I can join them through LFS and InSim Relay is working fine...
Server names:
Demo:
РОССИЯ A-Spec.RRT #1
РОССИЯ A-Spec.RRT #2
S2:
A-Spec.RRT Battle Zone #1
A-Spec.RRT Battle Zone #2 (pass - MOMO)

[Byku]

Lol... i've got the same problem with those FZ5 setups. :razz: What the hell is that? :D There are hybrids in the back so that means it has some connection to XFG.

[kyler]

Im wondering if this is a bug or is it just me... when im on a server and i go to change tracks i can select the main tracks but i cant see any of the sub tracks I.E. I click Fern Bay but i cant select or see any of the track like Club Gold or Black this even happens on Single Player i cant even select the weather... is this just my lfs or does everyone have the same problem?:shrug:

[Kid222]

I got those FZ5 setups too... Maybe Scawen was messing with locked setup...?:D

[Scottyj12]

I think ive found a bug.... i don't know if it been mentioned before or not.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/scottyj12/bugg.jpg

Number plate goes into the bodywork

[hda]

I think ive found a bug.... i don't know if it been mentioned before or not.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/scottyj12/bugg.jpg

Number plate goes into the bodywork
are you sure you didn't crash into something? I've just checked and it's fine

[Scottyj12]

hmmm maybe lol ... if i did my bad lol

Ill check in a min, i drove straight from the pit but yeah ill check (:

[UnknownMaster21]

I think ive found a bug.... i don't know if it been mentioned before or not.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc97/scottyj12/bugg.jpg

Number plate goes into the bodywork

I have that problem too! but with AI 10 has a that problem when start race with AI...
that´s very interesting, because it´s not always that bug online :S

[Scottyj12]

i checked on single player and there was no issues... i will keep an eye out when online at get back to you :)

No problems online either :)

[Furiously-Fast]

My FZ5 hasn't got a front number plate, so I don't have that bug. Only the LX4 one.:)

[ACCAkut]

edit. test

[Scawen]

Z7 dedi host don't send stats to lfsworld(retrives stats like /w pb /w wr, but new pb not stored on lfsw) and sometimes peeps getting connection errors /cpw/couldn't find following position etc errors. I dunno if always in all cases but noticed that today.Thanks for pointing that out - I just forgot to remove a compiler option that avoids sending statistics if a test version is used.

A quick fix needed for that one...

Hello,

Every time I'm playing online, in my folder LFS there are two setups that are not mine, appear from nowhere, fz5_after.set and fz5_before.set, delete them but is just starting to play online that appear again, my version Z8, and eliminate it, someone will help me correct it.Well spotted, these are not really FZ5 setups, they are just the setup of any car you leave the pits with.

There was an OOS bug related to setups and these were saved out for testing purposes.

[Velociround]

Wasn't these test patches supposed to work with other test patch versions (and be compatible with patch Z too)? :scratchch hm

Tried going online on patch Z6 but I can't connect to anything...
Going to try Z8 now and will edit this post.

Edit: Test Patch Z8 is working as it should (no "Wrong version" servers at all) :thumb:

[Scawen]

Previous test patches were made obsolete for online usage due to an extremely bad OOS bug that would kick all test patch users.

...and also because the XFG does not have ABS any more so this makes it fair for all. ;)

[mrfell]

Previous test patches were made obsolete for online usage due to an extremely bad OOS bug that would kick all test patch users.

...and also because the XFG does not have ABS any more so this makes it fair for all. ;)

There was me thinking you were on your Christmas Holidays!!:nod:

[Scawen]

Yes but it was worth an hour's work to fix 3 bugs.

Z9 : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=51697