Gradually Decreasing FPS

[JO53PHS]

I've noticed that as time has gone by, my FPS in LFS has gradually decreased. I'm almost presenting you with a timeline of worsening FPS (:tilt:):

When I first started playing, I got anything between 90 and 200 FPS, then I discovered Antialiasing and got about 60 - 70 FPS (obviously, AA will lower the FPS). Now, my FPS is down to about 30, or 50 at best.

One thing I have noticed is that all the LFS patches that are supposed to be more efficient and increase FPS seem to actually have slightly decreased my FPS.

I have defragmented my HDD (If that actually makes any difference), and it was 30% fragmented when I did it (I assume that's bad?), and after the defrag it was still 23% fragmented (that still seems bad...). My HDD is fairly full, but again, I dunno if that makes an awful lot of difference (130GB used of 170GB)

Maybe it's just because my computer's getting more knackered as the days go on (although it's only 1.5 years old :shrug:).

My PC specs:

Intel Core 2 Due T7300, 2.00 GHz
2GB RAM
Nvidia Geforce 8400M GT

Any suggestions as to how I could get better performance? Thanks :shy:

[Senninha25]

I have the same problem as you, my FPS has hit rock-bottom and I'm not using any hi-res textures at all. Problem might be the memory, but I didn't put anything new in the computer (except a new hard drive and the LFS test patches).

[james12s]

the only thing i can think of is it is something to do with page file size etc, but thats only a guess really

as for the defrag, do it once more and see if it drops any more

[Inouva]

I've noticed that as time has gone by, my FPS in LFS has gradually decreased. I'm almost presenting you with a timeline of worsening FPS (:tilt:):

When I first started playing, I got anything between 90 and 200 FPS, then I discovered Antialiasing and got about 60 - 70 FPS (obviously, AA will lower the FPS). Now, my FPS is down to about 30, or 50 at best.

One thing I have noticed is that all the LFS patches that are supposed to be more efficient and increase FPS seem to actually have slightly decreased my FPS.

I have defragmented my HDD (If that actually makes any difference), and it was 30% fragmented when I did it (I assume that's bad?), and after the defrag it was still 23% fragmented (that still seems bad...). My HDD is fairly full, but again, I dunno if that makes an awful lot of difference (130GB used of 170GB)

Maybe it's just because my computer's getting more knackered as the days go on (although it's only 1.5 years old :shrug:).

My PC specs:

Intel Core 2 Due T7300, 2.00 GHz
2GB RAM
Nvidia Geforce 8400M GT

Any suggestions as to how I could get better performance? Thanks :shy:


Hi-res skin , or Textures decrease fps

[danthebangerboy]

Mine did exactly the same, so after some advice, i completely deleted LFS, Re-downloaded and installed a fresh copy of LFS, and my fps is back to how it always was.

[Flame CZE]

Just disable AA and FPS will increase.

[S14 DRIFT]

Guessing you're running Windows. The only OS that I know of that has the uncanny abilty to gradually slow your PC down with shit. Try disk cleanup, de-frag, cleaning of temporary files, etc.

Check your CPU cooler isn't clogged with dust which increases temperatures and reduces speed.

[Mysho]

I've noticed that as time has gone by, my FPS in
One thing I have noticed is that all the LFS patches that are supposed to be more efficient and increase FPS seem to actually have slightly decreased my FPS.

Yea, the main purpose is to do this, but remember - in recent patches there were also some graphical updates, mainly South City and Blackwood, so it also can be this. However I think, there must be something wrong with PC, because this big decreasion of FPS isn't usual.
So, maybe you just used some textures which also lowered your FPS, or something like this. I can understand this, but there are so many things which could do it. I personally haven't noticed any fps decreacions, but the thruth is I've never measured it. I'd suggest to scan your PC and make sure you have not any bad stuff in there. Your PC specs definitely aren't that bad, for 30 fps...

[NiTRo_SvK]

Agree with Mysho, and as time goes by, and your last windows installation is getting older, you're installing a lot new things (browser updates, new photoshop for example or anything else), your OS is getting slower and slower, I think this can affect it.

[Stang70Fastback]

Agree with Mysho, and as time goes by, and your last windows installation is getting older, you're installing a lot new things (browser updates, new photoshop for example or anything else), your OS is getting slower and slower, I think this can affect it.

Yea but, to my knowledge, that doesn't really affect gaming performance that much. Lots of pieces of files all over the place DO hugely affect boot times and loading times for games/programs, but they shouldn't have any affect on the ability of the CPU/GPU to render a game.

UNLESS all those programs you've installed/uninstalled have left all kinds of processes running that still start when you boot and are eating away at your CPU and RAM. How many processes are running when you do Ctrl+Alt+Del and bring up the task manager?

[piggy501]

I use a laptop.

Specs
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHZ
2.00GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600
Windows Vista Home Premium
110GB HDD (28GB free)

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These specs get me around 100fps, but not on fully high quality. I have AA off, it doesn't enhance my experience so much that I become a champion, even if it does get jaggier. Try toning down your settings and sacrificing visual for performance, its better :)

Or get the Best of Both Worlds (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UPfw7bHqQrY&feature=related) and settle somewhere in the middle.

[NiTRo_SvK]

Yea but, to my knowledge, that doesn't really affect gaming performance that much. Lots of pieces of files all over the place DO hugely affect boot times and loading times for games/programs, but they shouldn't have any affect on the ability of the CPU/GPU to render a game.
Yeah, that's true.

UNLESS all those programs you've installed/uninstalled have left all kinds of processes running that still start when you boot and are eating away at your CPU and RAM. How many processes are running when you do Ctrl+Alt+Del and bring up the task manager?
And this is how I meant it. :D

[JO53PHS]

How many processes are running when you do Ctrl+Alt+Del and bring up the task manager?

90 Processes. CPU usage is about 5%, and about 15 - 20% when LFS is running :shrug:

I use a laptop.

Specs

These specs get me around 100fps, but not on fully high quality. I have AA off, it doesn't enhance my experience so much that I become a champion, even if it does get jaggier. Try toning down your settings and sacrificing visual for performance, its better :)

Or get the Best of Both Worlds (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UPfw7bHqQrY&feature=related) and settle somewhere in the middle.

Now that I've been using AA for ages, LFS actually looks completely different, as well as a pixelated mess when I turn AA off. And also it's a hassle to turn it back on when doing screenshots / skin previews. :shrug:

Oh noes... not Hannah Montana :schwitz::razz:

Btw, How much of an effect does disk fragmentation have? And is 23% fragmented bad? :scratchch

[DrDrug]

I use a laptop, too, but my fps is 8-30 usually, which is kinda strange.

Specs:
AMD Turion 64 X2 TL56, 1.80GHz
2GB Ram
Windows Vista Home Premium
ATI Radeon Xpress 1200, 128MB
92GB HDD, 38GB free

Fresh downloaded LFS. I think these specs atleast are supposed to give me a smooth run. :shrug:

[DarkTimes]

edit: irrelevant.

[S14 DRIFT]

lololol I have 60ish. Damn those PC's bought from PC world. The only things left on it are the HD and one of the DVD drives. I've changed everything but all the shit still remains! :(

If you get a propper PC from a decent place you don't get all the 'freeware' bundle packages, such as 1 months free <antivirus>, stupid programs you'll never use and the like. Should all be classed as adware and spyware tbh.

[piggy501]

Oh noes... not Hannah Montana :schwitz::razz:


So am I the only one that finds Hannah Montana hot?

[S14 DRIFT]

You find Miley Cyrus hot? She's the biggest underage pornstar in the world. Pictures of her damn near butt naked in a shower aged 15, and from what I hear she's been aproached by the Playboy dude. Last time I checked she was going out with a 22 year old. That's just damn wrong. Girl has talent, I'll reluctantly say that, but she's nothing but a disney channel pimp-cum-slut. And all these damn teenage girls look up to her. Younger than that, even. 8 and 9 year olds! What kind of influence is that on such young minds? No wonder we have so many sluttish 14 year olds who look, act and dress like they're twice their age and looking to get laid. </rant> :hide:

[piggy501]

Who is Miley Cyrus? I'm on about Hannah Montana?

[JO53PHS]

Actually, looking at the names of some of the processes, I'm wondering if they're needed at all

Some useless sounding ones:


Symantec Service Framework
Creative Media Explorer Detector
Creative MediaSource Detector
Creative Sync Manager
iTunesHelper Module (stupid brother and his iPod Touch)
VAIO Update (why? I'm not installing any updates)
VAIO Camera Utility Server

[S14 DRIFT]

Who is Miley Cyrus? I'm on about Hannah Montana?

Miley Cyrus is her real name. Hannah Montana is like her stage name.

[piggy501]

But they look totally different?!

[S14 DRIFT]

Unless my sources are mis-informed (Which is some dude's Youtube videos!)

From some random Disney website

Disney fansite dedicated to talented actress and singer Miley Cyrus aka Hannah Montana

[zeugnimod]

Actually, looking at the names of some of the processes, I'm wondering if they're needed at all

Some useless sounding ones:


Symantec Service Framework
Creative Media Explorer Detector
Creative MediaSource Detector
Creative Sync Manager
iTunesHelper Module (stupid brother and his iPod Touch)
VAIO Update (why? I'm not installing any updates)
VAIO Camera Utility Server


Maybe you have some of these in Autostart?

[Jakg]

lololol I have 60ish. Damn those PC's bought from PC world. The only things left on it are the HD and one of the DVD drives. I've changed everything but all the shit still remains! :(

If you get a propper PC from a decent place you don't get all the 'freeware' bundle packages, such as 1 months free <antivirus>, stupid programs you'll never use and the like. Should all be classed as adware and spyware tbh.

Yes, you do - my HP laptop (from laptopsdirect) came full of all sorts of shit.

I would always try tweaking services on Vista - i.e. "Tablet PC Input Service" is useless unless you have a touch-screen, and uses 100MB of RAM!

[piggy501]

Damn. I like Hannah's hair. Turns out it's just a wig. Oh well.

[JO53PHS]

I thought I'd also say that 54% (1.09GB) of the memory is being used atm :shrug:

[S14 DRIFT]

You should spend a weekend just cleaning all the shit off your PC, get a couple of programs (I can't recommend any, but mostly it's just a matter of un-installing things you don't want). Hopefully that'll give you some positive results :)

[JO53PHS]

I do try to keep minimal amounts of shit, but when I go through all my shit, I find that most of it is good shit :D

Hmm... Maybe I've finally found a use for my 6 unused Blu Ray discs! :tilt:

EDIT: I've managed to gain about 2FPS by closing VAIO Update, BBC Iplayer download manager, and Creative Sync Manager, all of which were in the system tray, running sneakily :P

[DarkTimes]

edit: irrelevant.

[JO53PHS]

Well I'm on Vista, and I'd assume it uses a few more processes :shrug:

[swisscosmo]

i've had this problem and whe the new patch came out a few patches back Scawen said it would increase my FPS it did a little then i maxed all the graphics out and it acually gave me even more FPS up to about 30 then it went down very quick to 20FPS and i am always averaging 20FPS

[JO53PHS]

I think the only way it will ever get any better is if I Format C: and reinstall windoze.. because nothing else (not even turning off AA) works :shrug:

[need]

Vista shouldn't be running any more than 40-60, and that's without messing around with the services.msc
Mine currently runs with 57, and that's with me allowing things to run which don't really need to be running.

[danthebangerboy]

Yeah, i love the services.msc! :D Im on XP sp3 and had about 65 processes running on mine when i got it. I now have 34 processes running, that also includes antivirus and firewall running as well. It is true what they say, every process is using just that bit more of your resources. Plus vista is from what i am told, very demanding, and particularly memory hungry as well.
I set my dads pc up from this page,

http://www.techtalkz.com/windows-vista/6595-how-make-vista-start-run-shutdown-faster.html

Be sure to also check the link on there to blackvipers service configurations, It helped me with dads pc SO much.

I also removed the highly crap and PC crippling Norton Antivrus, Disabled the windoze firewall, and installed for him, AVG 8.0 Antivirus, Zonealarm Firewall, Ccleaner, JKDefrag, Lavasoft Adaware SE and Advanced Windowscare V2.

Despite installing 7 new programs, All of which are completely free by the way, his machine runs at least 30% quicker than it ever did before.

I can only assume that a PC that is running faster and with less processes can only help with the FPS issue.

[boothy]

Ditch the task manager, get Process Explorer (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx), gives you more information and graphs, and showing you all of the processes - start killing some off to see what happens, and whats using resources. :)

[JO53PHS]

If not, then go to Start > Run > "msconfig" > Startup


Is that all of the crap that runs at startup? :scratchch

[need]

Yep, all the non-windows stuff anyway.
Check it through for the things you don't want to start automatically each time you start the computer, and un-tick them.
Depending on what you have installed, there might be some that you do want to leave ticked.

[Mikko1]

my fps does like 4-30 huh?:shrug::doh:
and all setups is minimum:schwitz:

and online is all says "ur lagg" and then "you lag 60..."

[JO53PHS]

Some things

1) A new problem (or maybe just a three-off?). A windoze display driver (same one) has randomly stopped working (causing a screen blackout) three times today. I dunno if it's just random or a sign that my PC is dieing :schwitz:

2) I discovered Windoze ReadyBoost. Basically its something that uses a USB stick a bit like RAM... I think. Is that worth a try? :P

[Senninha25]

2) I discovered Windoze ReadyBoost. Basically its something that uses a USB stick a bit like RAM... I think. Is that worth a try? :P
small bump.

I recommend you to look at some opinions in forums about that product and use it if they're positive (don't forget to recommend it here, though:))

[JO53PHS]

I tried it with my USB stick and it made no difference at all :shrug:

[Stefani24]

Strangely, my fps have increased with the last patches, i think i got now steady 20-30 fps even with some cars round me.

Just the autox layouts give me 2-10 fps.