I have lost my passion for LFS

[Pabs(Sco)]

Well after a break of several months I have tried to come back to race, but still there alot of idiots out there and gettig a good clean race can take several attempts to start.

I hope to be back at some point, but I dont see it in the near future.
So until my passion returns I'll see you later.

[FPVaaron]

How could such a thing like this happen?

[B2B@300]

How could such a thing like this happen?

It has happened to a number of people I know :( I fear it is quite normal :shrug:

I think it's dificult for like minded racers to link up sometimes, and can be very frustrating trying to get a good race in a server full of over zelous racers that keep driving beyond their limits :x It is a real pleasure though racing against individuals that while they race fast and agrressive they remain curteous and considerate of their fellow races and remain within there driving abilities, unfortunately that doesn't happen on every excursion into LFS :D

I feel there is a need for something in between league races and public races... Sad to hear another good racer going by the way side :Looking_a

[Blackout]

Puplic servers :schwitz:

Hmm, we should get option to have servers where at the start nobody had acces. There should be list where people allowed to join would be, names could be taken for leagues or from single events and people who are know to race clean would get there. In system like this no random noob or wrecker could join and clean people would have a good place to race on the server list. Private servers and passwords are too complicated and hard way to get people race. You would see this kind of server on the list and it would be quaranteed clean.


Oooor another option is to have ADMINS on the puplic servers. I think I have seen admin on a puplic server on S2 once, there was 3 of them actually but they were only testing new options wich came in a patch.

[SamH]

Not everyone can have and maintain a passion for LFS, or for many things for that matter. It's not different in online racing sims from any other aspect of life. Time passes, and life is peppered with both significant and insignificant things. All those things affect your ability to focus your interests and attentions. Some things stick and some things slip. That's life.:shrug:

Pabs, I hope that whatever happens to you in the future - whether it includes a return to LFS or not - is positive and to your benefit :)

[GianniC]

Hmm, we should get option to have servers where at the start nobody had acces.

The training in sp doesn't really work I think, a lot of people do few lessons and then just go online.. With all known accidents.
Since the LFS Credits are been put aside, a new evalution system of the racer would be a good idea. Don't really know right away how to put that up, with points, scores, just the amount of time you race..dno...
That's the devs job!

Good luck in future Pabs, hope to see you soon @ track :D :thumb:

[B2B@300]

Puplic servers :schwitz:

:rofl: puplic as in public servers are full of young pups :D you did that on purpose didn't you! LOL I've got a puppy at the moment and she's an absolute terror! :D

[mrbogeyman]

Well after a break of several months I have tried to come back to race, but still there alot of idiots out there and gettig a good clean race can take several attempts to start.

I hope to be back at some point, but I dont see it in the near future.
So until my passion returns I'll see you later.

Do your team mates not provide close and clean racing?

I can sypathise with your reasoning here though. If i had to search for a server of my liking, only to find it was half full of people who havent quite grasped the concept of clean racing, I would also get very frustrated.

I suppose one of the main reasons LFS has such longevity for me is the fact that I can pretty much always goto one of our team servers and at least have control over what goes on.

Take last night for example, there was alot of good racing with Tristan, Clownpaint, Fordy and quite a few others at the front of the pack on our team server. But there was still alot of noobs on. I know these people need to learn, and until it proves a problem we can all race togther. However, even these races can turn messy unfortunately.

The reason I am surprised that you get frustrated is that I thought you would get clean races with your team mates. This is guaranteed for myself and our team every Friday when we have private practice/races, often with invited guests. e.g. last friday we had TBO4 at FE Gold, and there were no accidents at all during the 1st lap :tilt: and ive got the replay to prove it. I suppose it is all down to being able to race with people you can trust, and those people knowing that races arent won on lap1.

I suggest trying to get your team more active and organising events, or at least joining someone else's event.

[Micha]

If you want to have clean, long and exciting races u have to come to Team [PiRa]! Keep it clean, keep it PiRa!

www.pimba-racing.de and race for your life!

[Dragger]

since i broke my steering wheel my passion has not been the same.

doesnt stop me though! lol

[cmckowen]

Everytime i join servers where i find clean fast racing il add the racers who i see as great people to fight with, therefore using my buddies list more as a good race search.

[th84]

sad to hear that pabs!! hope to see you back real soon!! i recall some very good racing with you! cya soon i hope :)

[Mogar]

since i broke my steering wheel my passion has not been the same.

doesnt stop me though! lol


I broke two microsoft steering wheels driving on LFS.... (actually on the second the cable that connects the wheel with the base got worn and is with bad contacts due too much use, and in the first, the pcb burned).

I was already loosing interest on LFS due to the bugs, and now, I have another reason to not driving on LFS.


But I have to admit that I got too much addicted on LFS...

[KurtG85]

When im on a new track/car where i dont know braking points/turn in points or basically when I am not 'perfect' on it yet, i allways drop to back at the start. More servers should make this 'message' appear to all who come in. And threaten banning immediately if they obviously are not capable of driving the track cleanly because of lack of experience in the same message.

[farcar]

I was already loosing interest on LFS due to the bugs, and now, I have another reason to not driving on LFS.

If only you could find a reason not to releatedly post your thoughts on how much you dislike the game :D

On Topic - being an 'teamless' Aussie (and probs not as hardcore as most of you) I find it hard to find a race at all! I probably spend more time on the demo servers than on S2 public servers.
I'd rather race a decent sized field, and avoid a few n00bs and wreckers, than race against no-one.

Here's looking forward to S2 final's release to regenerate some interest
Also, I'm secretly hoping for a TBO renaissance to fill up the S2 servers in the near future. :)

[szyszek]

I recently found two things:

1. I've definitely "lost my passion" for this forum. Every second new thread is either about progress reports, (or the recent "lfs dev team" one which I won't even bother opening), and then the other threads go somewhere along the lines of: "Do midgets/military people play LFS?". :Looking_a

2. I kind of changed the "way" I play LFS. I focus on league races. That gives me the motivation to really train on a certain combo, as well as race with a group of people I know, and enjoy. That means I pretty much gave up joining random servers, and racing with random people.

Mind you, I still have a bloody good time playing LFS :thumb:
Cheers!

[danowat]

I lost my passion toward the end of last year, its just burn out, it happens in many things in life, and you will get the passion back one day.

As Szyszek says for his point no2, thats pretty much all I do, practice, or race a certain combo on a certain server, I rarely join random servers.

Also, I have noticed that alot of people can't differentiate between a bad driver, and them being in the wrong line etc, I have lost count of the amount of times someone has bitched and moaned at me for being a bad driver, when it was a racing incident, or , I had the line in the corner, and they turn in on you, or they have the wrong line completely.

Dan,

[Fetzo]

i can understand him.

i am racing not very often, because i have little time and i am often too tired. but when i want to race online, i see that most servers have track/car combos that i really don't like. i don't like the slicks and how they heaten up. i especially don't like formula cars and the oval.

so, i browse through the server list and find some interesting combos with racers on the server. guess what? password protected. it seems that if some ppl want to try something different they have to protect themselves. tough luck for me!

when i found a public server i haven't had problems with wreckers at all. but 75% of the times i want to race, the only interesting ones are closed.

most of the public streetcar servers are driftserver (>_<), the only rx server i often find is a stuntserver (wahhhhh!!!).

if you aren't that involved in the community it's difficult to find some nice races.

[felplacerad]

I recently found two things:

1. I've definitely "lost my passion" for this forum. Every second new thread is either about progress reports, (or the recent "lfs dev team" one which I won't even bother opening), and then the other threads go somewhere along the lines of: "Do midgets/military people play LFS?". :Looking_a

2. I kind of changed the "way" I play LFS. I focus on league races. That gives me the motivation to really train on a certain combo, as well as race with a group of people I know, and enjoy. That means I pretty much gave up joining random servers, and racing with random people.

Mind you, I still have a bloody good time playing LFS :thumb:
Cheers!

The same goes for me in every aspect.

[V3NOMOUS]

Damn that sucks... I haven't played for a few days and I though I lost it but months man that can screw the driving cells right up Hope 2 see u back on the Race track wit ur car in High gear..... :S since I can't tho :thumb:

[mrodgers]

Over here in the US, it's still that dang AS National in the GTR's. I said on the server recently, I have over 1000 laps there now. Someone said, "dang dude, aren't you tired of it here?" Er, yea, but I don't have much of a choice when other servers all they do is run hour long qualifying with 1 or 2 other connections. AS Nat is still the only one you can get it on with 15 or so other cars.

FOX at KY Nat. or Westhill pops up now and then, but not very often. I end up every few weeks, jumping over to the demo servers and end up having some really good racing there.

[B2B@300]

I end up every few weeks, jumping over to the demo servers and end up having some really good racing there.

Are you serious?! :scratchch :D :razz: :tilt:

[mrodgers]

Are you serious?! :scratchch :D :razz: :tilt:
Well..... There was this one guy named Oz..... :D

[Hyperactive]

Over here in the US, it's still that dang AS National in the GTR's.
...
...
FOX at KY Nat. or Westhill pops up now and then, but not very often. I end up every few weeks, jumping over to the demo servers and end up having some really good racing there.
Have you tried joining to empty server and setting the track to something else? I have also over 1000 laps in AS nat with the GTRs and I have decided not to drive it anymore. I have couple of times joined to an empty server and changed the track to AS4R or something little different and sometimes people join, sometimes not. But I bet there are others that are sick of that combo too ;) And FOX at Ky nat is nice combo, I like it a lot...

[Pabs(Sco)]

Thanks for the comments guys..

this is definately not a "I am going for good".

n1Racing is very quiet at the moment and has been for some time. I found a new game to play which is taking up most of my free time (Eve-Online). But I am sure I will reduce my gameplay on that at some point.

hopefully the rest of the n1 members will come back, I would hate to see n1Racing die...our Team Manger is away on Army duties and for the rest I dont really know. A few may have moved to other teams, our forums have been dead lately.

I even tried to become a member of the OLFSL crew to keep me in the game, but with RL commitments on a Sunday I was missing most of the races.


I really love driving sims...infact I can not even driver anyother since I played LFS so I am sure my passion will return...possibly within the new F1 season.


And as Arnie syas...."I'll be back!"

[the_angry_angel]

For some time I've not raced competitively, only every now and then for fun. Since the silence I've become less interested in actual racing - athough I love the LFS community, I couldnt bear to leave :) So I totally understand your point Pabs :)

I found a new game to play which is taking up most of my free time (Eve-Online). But I am sure I will reduce my gameplay on that at some point.Drop by Gallente space and say "hi" Pabs :D You can find me with the char "theangryangel" (bloodly lack of _ support....*grumble*). My current home is Masalle, Claulenne and Reblier to be exact :D Although I'll probably be whizzing around a lot mining / rat hunting my arse off whilst I wait for my Megathron. If you need a coupla mil or so for starting out give me a shout, I've only got 88mil or so left, but there will always be some to spare for a fellow LFS'er / IRC'er / coder / whatever :)

[mrodgers]

Have you tried joining to empty server and setting the track to something else? I have also over 1000 laps in AS nat with the GTRs and I have decided not to drive it anymore. I have couple of times joined to an empty server and changed the track to AS4R or something little different and sometimes people join, sometimes not. But I bet there are others that are sick of that combo too ;) And FOX at Ky nat is nice combo, I like it a lot...
Been there, done that. Problem is, there is only a handful of people on in the US times. You have 13 servers with connections, 3 or 4 of them someone is just connected but AFK to keep the server up on the list if you have "no empty servers" selected. 3 or 4 are 400+ pings for my dialup. 3 or 4 have 1 or 2 connections just hotlapping; you can connect and vote or ask to race all night and never get a response. Then the final server is AS Nat. I jump on an empty server set to what I want and I just hotlap around for 2 hrs before bed without seeing anyone else.

On a good note, I just got a buddy of mine from work give me a phone call asking why his new wheel isn't working. I've been trying to get him to download LFS for months and months now. He finally did after months of telling me he was going to "this weekend". So, at least in demo, we have 1 more to get hooked in the US :D . Now I have to get him racing and convince him to buy a license.

[Mrs FienDi]

I even tried to become a member of the OLFSL crew to keep me in the game
And you're still one of us! :thumb:

Really sad to see you go.. :( I hope you'll come back one day.

I suggest you report these idiots to someone, for example OLFSL Admins want to know if someone is deliberately wrecking others on OLFSL servers (we can't do anything on other servers). We had these idiots some time ago, I asked people to send me replays and names (license name as well if possible). I never had to actually do anything besides that, it stopped. I know who these people were, and I had proof, but they started behaving well when they found out I'd ban every one of them.

So, if you see bad behaviour or something like that on our servers, please tell me about it so I can fix it. It kills the fun if there's even one of these imbeciles online.

Atm I'm not aware of any misbehaviour on OLFSL servers, so it seems to work. Try it! :thumb:

--
Mrs FienDi
The Original LFS League Admin

[danowat]

Thanks for the comments guys..

this is definately not a "I am going for good".

n1Racing is very quiet at the moment and has been for some time. I found a new game to play which is taking up most of my free time (Eve-Online). But I am sure I will reduce my gameplay on that at some point.

hopefully the rest of the n1 members will come back, I would hate to see n1Racing die...our Team Manger is away on Army duties and for the rest I dont really know. A few may have moved to other teams, our forums have been dead lately.

I even tried to become a member of the OLFSL crew to keep me in the game, but with RL commitments on a Sunday I was missing most of the races.


I really love driving sims...infact I can not even driver anyother since I played LFS so I am sure my passion will return...possibly within the new F1 season.


And as Arnie syas...."I'll be back!"

I'm still alive and racing Pabs, have been posting on the forum, but no response, tried to drum up the ranks last week, but everyone was a little lackadaisical, TBH, looks like I am one of the only active members for n1 :shrug:
I had a little spell off before christmas, but my hunger has returned, still not any faster though :thumb:

Dan,

[Cue-Ball]

Been there, done that. Problem is, there is only a handful of people on in the US times. You have 13 servers with connections, 3 or 4 of them someone is just connected but AFK to keep the server up on the list if you have "no empty servers" selected. 3 or 4 are 400+ pings for my dialup. 3 or 4 have 1 or 2 connections just hotlapping; you can connect and vote or ask to race all night and never get a response. Then the final server is AS Nat. I jump on an empty server set to what I want and I just hotlap around for 2 hrs before bed without seeing anyone else.
I feel your pain, man. I'm one of the other few US racers and the LFS servers are pretty much deserted whenever I have the chance to play. Luckily I have two friends that are licensed and we manage to get together about once a month for racing (usually on Sundays around 3:00 PST). We were playing about once a week for a while, but other things took priority. Hopefully we can get back into the groove before spring comes along and forces us to go outside for yard work. :)

Maybe we can get a thread going somewhere for US based racers?

[theblackrabbi]

I think I found the solution..........

First go download a copy of Rfactor.

Then play that game for 10 minutes to an hour, whatever makes you makes you hate it more......

Then go back and play Live for Speed, it's that easy!



I just tried that and it works. That game is so bad, when I come back to Live for Speed the physics and FF just blows my mind.........not saying I was bored of this game after 5 months of playing on my free time, but man after trying something else you really do appreciate the work that was put into making a real driving simulator.

[deggis]

Over here in the US, it's still that dang AS National in the GTR's. I said on the server recently, I have over 1000 laps there now. Someone said, "dang dude, aren't you tired of it here?" Er, yea, but I don't have much of a choice when other servers all they do is run hour long qualifying with 1 or 2 other connections. AS Nat is still the only one you can get it on with 15 or so other cars.
I thought yankees don't play anything else than FO8 and Oval. :) Sometimes when I end up on demo servers I usually quit within 5 minutes. It's just horror.

[mrodgers]

I thought yankees don't play anything else than FO8 and Oval. :) Sometimes when I end up on demo servers I usually quit within 5 minutes. It's just horror.
Nope, if I want oval racing, I'll load up the sim that was built on oval racing, Nascar Racing 2003. Until LFS car setups have weight bias and staggar, it is lousy at oval racing. A floor-it-until-you-reach-max-speed-then-leave-it-floored oval isn't all that exciting anyways. Give me a half mile oval over a speedway anyday! :D :D

[B2B@300]

Sometimes when I end up on demo servers I usually quit within 5 minutes. It's just horror.

Yep you are right demo certainly can be a horror :x but it still can give some very good racing if you bump into the right people :D Fusion svr is normally pretty good and CRC have a server up at the moment, both have admins and normally can get some good races there when it is admined :) I have some replays from demo some of which represent the worst of LFS and some the best of LFS :D

[steve]

Wow I played LFS the other day for the 1st time in like 5 months, then i had to quit, couldnt take it no more. Crappy FF (cant feel understeer and other effects) and the RWD bug where cars spin out way to easy.. especially with slicks. Back to GTL I go :D

[deggis]

Wow I played LFS the other day for the 1st time in like 5 months, then i had to quit, couldnt take it no more. Crappy FF (cant feel understeer and other effects) and the RWD bug where cars spin out way to easy.. especially with slicks. Back to GTL I go :D
And with GTL's tin can FF you can feel everything the car does? Gimme a break.

[farcar]

Wow I played LFS the other day for the 1st time in like 5 months, then i had to quit, couldnt take it no more. Crappy FF (cant feel understeer and other effects) and the RWD bug where cars spin out way to easy.. especially with slicks. Back to GTL I go :D

I loved the graphics engine in GTL, but 2 things made me uninstall / return it:

* The 'not quite right but can't put my finger on it' physics.
* STARFORCE!

Get this sh!t off my machine. NOW!

[steve]

And with GTL's tin can FF you can feel everything the car does? Gimme a break.

yep can feel everything :thumb:

[Gabkicks]

Wow I played LFS the other day for the 1st time in like 5 months, then i had to quit, couldnt take it no more. Crappy FF (cant feel understeer and other effects) and the RWD bug where cars spin out way to easy.. especially with slicks. Back to GTL I go :D

that is strange... i think the force feedback in GTL is crappy.:pillepall
I feel like comparing lfs's force feedback to gtl is like comparing chocolate to sh*t. if we both supposedly want more realism how can this be?

[steve]

maybe you didnt have reverse effects enabled in the options? if you dont and have a momo the steering is really heavy and all over.

[danowat]

I got my first FF wheel on Monday, a DFP, and I was expecting, from all the comments on here, that the FF in LFS would be "streets" ahead of GTL.
Boy, they are wrong, as the other poster says, the first thing I notice is that GTL has the light wheel feeling when understeering, and LFS doesnt.
How the FF in LFS is streets ahead I dont know, but I dont believe it is.

Dan,

[mrodgers]

In LFS, my steering gets light when I understeer, countersteers automatically when the tail gets loose, gives a bit of a jolt when I hit bumps, etc. Yea, the bumps and stuff isn't real strong and hard to feel, but what matters is there. I feel the way the car is acting. In GTL, aside from that wonderful graphics engine running 10-15 FPS at low resolution, directX 7 and all game options at minimum, the FF just feels like effects. It doesn't tell me a thing what the car is doing. It does tell me what the car has done. The front end slides, then the wheel goes light, after the fact. Unlike in LFS where the wheel goes light WHEN the front end slides.

[tristancliffe]

I agree with Mike. My LFS FFB tells me everything I need to know about the car, whilst GTR, GTL and rFactor have poor canned effects that might play 'oversteer' (actually, there isn't on for oversteer, or anything to do with the back of the car) or 'understeer', but they aren't real time, so bear little resemblance to what your car is actually doing.

[danowat]

Regardless of those "facts" LFS, as my hardware is currently setup, which I am prepared to say could be wrong, doesnt do what a REAL car does in regards to understeer feedback.
Whether or not it "tells" you what its doing, or if ISI effects are "canned" is incidental, its still not realistic whichever way you slice it.

Dan,

[tristancliffe]

With current FFB technology it couldn't be 'realistic' even if you made a sim soley for FFB testing... But I personally feel LFS gets closest to reality bearing in mind the limitations of hardware and sim-racing in general.

[danowat]

Of course not, there are 1001 different reasons that it will never give a 100% true representation, but I believe, especially in FWD cars like the FXO, that something as fundemental as FFB behavior during understeer needs to be improved.
Is the FFB in LFS good?, of course, could it be better? again of course.

Dan,

[ajp71]

I would have said N2003 has better FF, LFS is good until you start understeering (I prefer it to oversteer) and then it just doesn't feel right.

[mrodgers]

I don't agree that NR2003 has better FF than LFS, but I do agree that NR2003 has better FF "effects" than all the others disregarding LFS. LFS is the only one giving true feedback (maybe RBR, not sure, never tried it). Other sims have "effects" meaning, the car does this, SO the FF does this. Where in LFS it is the car FF does this BECAUSE the car does this. It is a direct link rather than an "effect" calculated after the fact.

If you cannot feel the suttle FF of driving in LFS, then you simply have too much force and the wheel is covering it up. Too many run with 100% win / 100% LFS forces, so could you tell me the last time you NEEDED both hands on the wheel to turn the sucker?

Another thing with LFS is, with my Momo, there seems to be a lag in FF. It happens to me mostly with a loose rear end (oversteer, can't get over the American terminology) where I can't feel the countersteering forcefeedback until it's too late. A long time ago, someone mentioned the same with his DFP (BMX232, or something was his name). He suggested some different settings in the windows gaming options and it completely fixed it for me. Some others liked it as well, but then most also argued with BMX232 about it. What I run is as follows:

Overall Force strength: 60%
Spring force: 138% <--- this is what gets rid of the force lag for me
damper: 0%
centering spring unchecked and 0%
force in LFS I adjust between usually 35% to 50%

LFS feels absolutely real to me. I feel the forces unloading when the front end give way and get the countersteer force when I loose the back end. Any other sim I've had or tried, if there is understeering "effect" it just turned the forces off. That is not what happens in real life. You do not lose the force in the wheel, it will, I'll say, fluctuate as the front end grip fluctuates. This is what I feel in LFS, where all other sims just reduce the force to nothing. That is where you get that the wheel "gets light" when understeering and isn't true to real life.

I've never driven on a track, but I have logged many many miles of VERY hard driving on the street "racing" with my college buddies in front wheel drive cars. I know what it feels like. I also drive the rwd truck VERY hard both on the street and in the snow, so I know what oversteer feels like. It all DEFINITELY does NOT feel like driving a GTL car. So far, GTL is the WORST force feedback I have felt in a sim. Though I have to say, LFS, NR2003, and GTL are the only "sims" I have tried. The next closest thing I've used is NFS5 (Porsche Unleashed) which isn't a sim at all, merely a game.

[MR_B]

I end up every few weeks, jumping over to the demo servers and end up having some really good racing there.

Speaking of which, the Clean racers club started a demo server up there.

Myself, (R4R Kringle88) usually admins it for a few hours, I have admined it for over 5 hours once! (Bugger that you're thinking) But it was great, great to get some good, clean, close racing going on in a somewhat, dangerous enviroment.

If you lose your faith in LFS, go away for a bit by all means, but do come back! :thumb:

[steve]

In LFS, my steering gets light when I understeer, countersteers automatically when the tail gets loose, gives a bit of a jolt when I hit bumps, etc. Yea, the bumps and stuff isn't real strong and hard to feel, but what matters is there. I feel the way the car is acting. In GTL, aside from that wonderful graphics engine running 10-15 FPS at low resolution, directX 7 and all game options at minimum, the FF just feels like effects. It doesn't tell me a thing what the car is doing. It does tell me what the car has done. The front end slides, then the wheel goes light, after the fact. Unlike in LFS where the wheel goes light WHEN the front end slides.

Try using a RWD car and not a FWD car.

[mrodgers]

Speaking of which, the Clean racers club started a demo server up there.

Myself, (R4R Kringle88) usually admins it for a few hours, I have admined it for over 5 hours once! (Bugger that you're thinking) But it was great, great to get some good, clean, close racing going on in a somewhat, dangerous enviroment.

If you lose your faith in LFS, go away for a bit by all means, but do come back! :thumb:
Yup, that's where I was. Not sure if it was you I saw, but I did see a couple of you R4R guys admin'ing. They left and everyone behaved for a few hours. One guy got on and was wrecking at the end of the night (for me) and I couldn't do anything about it (I know it is limited who has the demo admin password). You can see CRC in my sig there. I'm not very active, but have been a member since the rebirth during the S2 demo days as well as S2 licensed. Though I'm not very active, I do like all the guys in CRC and I hope I represent myself on the servers well enough that others may see CRC in my nick and come check it out.

The one guy who was doing the wrecking ran off when after a while, everyone else went after him. Guess he didn't have as much fun sitting on his roof, while everyone else in the race drove on by than he did sitting on the front stretch waiting to hit the racers head on.

*EDIT: Ok, LOL, CRC isn't in my Sig here, but it is in my nick online.

[deggis]

yep can feel everything :thumb:
You just think you can feel everything because you can feel MORE effects than in LFS. Too bad that all those canned effects has nothing to do with the car. :)

But I do agree that in LFS you can't feel the bumps.

I don't agree that NR2003 has better FF than LFS, but I do agree that NR2003 has better FF "effects" than all the others disregarding LFS. LFS is the only one giving true feedback (maybe RBR, not sure, never tried it).
RBR has really good, maybe even better FF than LFS. Actually it's hard to compare just because RBR simulates very different kind of cars than LFS. But compared to LFS's FF on rallycross tracks with e.g. RB4 I think RBR is much more advanced... of course LFS isn't concentrated on rallycross so it's not a fair compare.

I got my first FF wheel on Monday, a DFP, and I was expecting, from all the comments on here, that the FF in LFS would be "streets" ahead of GTL.
Boy, they are wrong, as the other poster says, the first thing I notice is that GTL has the light wheel feeling when understeering, and LFS doesnt.
How the FF in LFS is streets ahead I dont know, but I dont believe it is.

Dan,
Just curious that are you sure you're using the right settings? Because you said you just got your wheel. :) LFS doesn't produce Damper and Spring Effects so you should set those to 0% at Logitech Profiler settings. It feels much more better without those.

[tristancliffe]

Can't feel bumps in LFS throught the FFB? Tell that to my porr wrists. and thats with only 50% windows strength and 40% LFS.

[deggis]

Can't feel bumps in LFS throught the FFB? Tell that to my porr wrists. and thats with only 50% windows strength and 40% LFS.
Well enough I mean. Or then LFS tracks just aren't that bumpy than I think. :scratchch

[Gabkicks]

yeah i can feel plenty of bumps in lfs. The tracks in rbr are alot rougher than LFS. even the little rallycross track we have in lfs is pretty damn smooth. There is alot of detail in the lfs and RBR force feedback. In RBR you can feel when a wheel slips into the cracks in the ground in rbr. quite amazing. same with LFS when driving over the traintracks.

i'm interested to see how these games will feel with the speed7 force feedback wheel.

[mrodgers]

I don't feel a lot of feedback from the bumps, but I do feel some. I get more feedback from the visual g-force simulation anyways. It's not just the wheel that you get feedback from. You get feedback from every aspect you would in real life other than actual g-forces on the body. Steering wheel, visual, sound, it's all very important feedback and all blends together very nice.

With all the feedback blended together, sometimes in the heat of the moment, my mind will trick me into actually feeling the g-forces as well. A while ago, I loaded up NR2003 again to run around a bit with it. I spun out, smacked head on into the wall and thought, hmm, in LFS I would have almost thought I felt hitting the wall. But in NR2003, I don't feel that. (I'm not knocking NR2003. It is still running a close 2nd to LFS, far closer than GTL)

[RevMonkey]

as mainly a drifter, i definetely lost my passion... i quit around july when i just couldn't give a crap about this game anymore. i focused on mountain biking. but once it was off season, i started focusing more on cars, and started drifting in LFS again. now i'm back, and i am more than ready to play until june, or whenever until i get bored again.

[MyBoss]

[QUOTE=Pabs(Sco)n1Racing is very quiet at the moment and has been for some time. I found a new game to play which is taking up most of my free time[/QUOTE]



cool, whats your nick in EVE?

[holycow]

cool, whts your nick in EVE?

Sigvie, sigve, sigve.... dont u run off playing all kinds of other games now, ya hear!? :smash:

[steve]

I can only feel bumps and rumble strips with a FWD car..

[MyBoss]

Sigvie, sigve, sigve.... dont u run off playing all kinds of other games now, ya hear!? :smash:


Hey, I have played two nights in a row now (LFS), Man I wish I drove like last night in the Nations cup on AS Historic. daaaang

[André]

Well after a break of several months I have tried to come back to race, but still there alot of idiots out there and gettig a good clean race can take several attempts to start.

I hope to be back at some point, but I dont see it in the near future.
So until my passion returns I'll see you later.

Nice to see you back , join my Host when you want to have some fun as in earlier days :)

[Crazy Harry]

But be careful. André ban people who drive too fast for him. :D

[Aahz]

I can second the author of the original post :/

I've been playing LFS on and off for a couple of months now and I just hate how people are SO into trying to get that first place that they ignore everything and everyone. I mean, it's not freakin' Carmageddon!!

I admit, I'm not your superstar driver, but I manage to get O.K. times, usually within seconds of the best drivers. I still have to learn them RWD cars, but I do well in FWD's and the AWD's.

The bad thing is that there's usually no point for me to start in the top 6, because I get bullied into making mistakes and/or crashed into within the first 2 corners. I usually play nice and I drive clean, but it still somehow doesn't help from people crashing into me or the people in back taking advantage of careful driving and speeding past me. Mates, ican be agressive and cut off all your lines, but we're playing a racing sim, not midtown madness!

Sure, I make mistakes,too and I ocassionally tap people. But that happens maybe once or twice per day, as opposed to several times a race for some racers :\

/rant

N.B. I still love LFS! :D

[Mrs FienDi]

I've been playing LFS on and off for a couple of months now and I just hate how people are SO into trying to get that first place that they ignore everything and everyone. I mean, it's not freakin' Carmageddon!!
Where do you race? :Looking_a

Have you tried OLFSL? Our members fight hard as well, but IMO in a fair way. With us it's mostly about having fun..
You're welcome to join us if you're interested in racing in a league. :thumb:

--
Mrs FienDi
The Original LFS League Admin

[Aahz]

Well, so far it's been just on any random servers I can get my hands on. Since I do consider myself quite a newbie, I've been spending a lot of time on the [Noob] servers lately in which the people are at least friendly, and the fact that one is a newbie is taken lightly and in no offense.

Well, maybe they are right in being agressive with me. I am considerably slower than most LFS'ers. Could be due to the fact that am I using a joystick, or maybe because I haven't gripped the game well yet.

[th84]

Well, so far it's been just on any random servers I can get my hands on. Since I do consider myself quite a newbie, I've been spending a lot of time on the [Noob] servers lately in which the people are at least friendly, and the fact that one is a newbie is taken lightly and in no offense.

Well, maybe they are right in being agressive with me. I am considerably slower than most LFS'ers. Could be due to the fact that am I using a joystick, or maybe because I haven't gripped the game well yet.


I had fun racing with you last night with the RAC on so long!! You are welcome back to our servers any time!!

[spyshagg]

theres a fix for that carmageddon problem in lfs....

for the following rule this would have to be splitted by servers:
-practice servers would have this option disabled.
-Cleanraces would have this option enable.

the rule would be:

1a-
Give points to player if he finishes race with very little to no damage at all.

2a-
If damage happens, make it COST points to fix the car (points that can only be won with clean races)

1b-
those who race clean lots of times will have way enough points to pay for REAL accidents (not those carmageddon accidents) that do happen sometimes.

2b-
those who never finish a race with the car intact (or finish at all), will have no cash to pay for the damage made.



:scratchch

[Hyperactive]

theres a fix for that carmageddon problem in lfs....
for the following rule this would have to be splitted by servers:
-practice servers would have this option disabled.
-Cleanraces would have this option enable.

the rule would be:
1a-
Give points to player if he finishes race with very little to no damage at all.
2a-
If damage happens, make it COST points to fix the car (points that can only be won with clean races)
1b-
those who race clean lots of times will have way enough points to pay for REAL accidents (not those carmageddon accidents) that do happen sometimes.
2b-
those who never finish a race with the car intact (or finish at all), will have no cash to pay for the damage made.
:scratchch

I would never join any practise servers because racing is much more fun. I can practise offline :)

1a: someone bumps you from behind in T1, not your fault and you lose points. Or similar...

2a: the damage usually happens to the slower racers and therefore they don't get any points and therefore they can't fix their car...

1b: it's not nearly all about you or me being a clean driver - it's about the other guys as well

2b: There is should not be any special punishment for those who do not finish the race.

[spyshagg]

1a "hole" is addressed in 1b :)

2a situation you made is not really a hole... but its addressed by the "splitted" servers. whatever the case, Practice to join cleanraces (altough im slow and i dont cause damage at all)

1b is addressed by it self... you race clean a lot, you will have points for sure. And the problem you pointed out, wont really be a problem because those others rules protect you.

2b no hole here... the "finishing races" is in context with the "without damage". so... You dont finish the race but you are clean, no harm done.

keep the rules in context and its a very possible solution to wreckers and a harmless one to noobs (go practice noob! :) )

EDIT: together with "clean finished races" points, one could also get points by every each clean minute of racing...

you see, i wont do anything to crash in real life because i dont have the money to pay for the damage.

[spyshagg]

..and yes, i still remember that racing is taking chances :)

the difference, is that in real life those chances have to be calculated! they dont give a damn about damage, but they do give a damn about the prize money at the end of the race if well classified, and with a bad calculated chance its bad press and no money for the team...

[GT Touring]

yah i don't or havent played in 2 or 3 months
i drive GTL mostly now, and i am still disastrous:pillepall... i can't win the pole in amateur mode (i did 3 times) out of 179 races?! but i have won 178 races...
but in LFS i was able to grab pole, and even against other people
i love LFS, but the single player stinks mostly adn the multiplayer well, there are never anyraces on the West coast of NorthAmerica...i have seen O ZERO Zilcho racing live...:shrug:
and i lost my love of it (conversely GTL has made me a wiz racer at 100% Ai in F1C and its mods) but alas my first love LFS is not what it was...
no live races or servers, no fun....
:(

[farcar]

yah i don't or havent played in 2 or 3 months
i drive GTL mostly now, and i am still disastrous:pillepall... i can't win the pole in amateur mode (i did 3 times) out of 179 races?! but i have won 178 races...
but in LFS i was able to grab pole, and even against other people
i love LFS, but the single player stinks mostly adn the multiplayer well, there are never anyraces on the West coast of NorthAmerica...i have seen O ZERO Zilcho racing live...:shrug:
and i lost my love of it (conversely GTL has made me a wiz racer at 100% Ai in F1C and its mods) but alas my first love LFS is not what it was...
no live races or servers, no fun....
:(

The lack of good, public online racing in certain time zones is a serious problem and it has greatly reduced the ammount of time I spend in front of LFS.
However there's no way I'll spend ny newly aquired spare gaming time playing GTL (STARFORCE!). No, the lack of online racing in LFS has renewed my passion for Rome: Total War. :D