Corner names!

[zoxxy]

I was chatting with my friend the other day, talking about LFS. I noticed that, when I was talking about lines and stuff the corners had no names! I had too sit and try to explain to him that "the small corner after the upward chicane at the trees" etc instead of saying something like "the Abbey". Well you know what I mean. :tilt:
Also, a map collection of all the tracks, with the cornernames would be great too.

It's not too hard to implement, and it would make things a whole lot easier AND give a little more personal feeling to the tracks.

Just my 2 cents. :D

[AndroidXP]

I think the easiest way to talk about LFS corners is to use T1, T2, etc. (and maybe chicane1/2/... too). Trying to remember 100+ corner names would be insane and cause more confusion than clarification.

Also, the numbering has the advantage that you can find out the corresponding corner by "driving" on the track in your mind. If every corner had a name and you don't know it, it's very hard to identify the corner the other person was talking about.

[zoxxy]

I think the easiest way to talk about LFS corners is to use T1, T2, etc. (and maybe chicane1/2/... too). Trying to remember 100+ corner names would be insane and cause more confusion than clarification.

Also, the numbering has the advantage that you can find out the corresponding corner by "driving" on the track in your mind. If every corner had a name and you don't know it, it's very hard to identify the corner the other person was talking about.

I see what you mean, but you can still call every corner 1,2,3 etc. :scratchch

[JohnPenn]

I have my own name for the chicane on AS National, but I can't repeat it as there could be young kids viewing:D

[Vain]

Tracks like FE Black could get section names, like the Nordschleife. For so long tracks it's hard to remember wether that turn was T78 or T79... :scratchch
For those who haven't been at the Nordschleife recently: Every few kilometers you see a big green sign on the side of the road telling you in what section you are, "Flugplatz", "Fuchsröhre", "Ex-Mühle", "Adenauer Forst", etc.

That is easy to remember, because you learn the section names as you drive along the signs, and it helps to refer to specific turns ("Turn 3 of Adenauer Forst" is easier than "T65" when you've driven the track some times).

Vain

[tristancliffe]

I'm not averse to corner names, but I don't think we should just dream up pointless ones like "Senna S" or "Clarkson Chicane" as they have nothing to do with it (and their names are copyrighted probably so they couldn't be official names).

But if corners got named through the mists of time and experience then thats a good thing. We could have the Vykos Crest (just after Blackwood Esses) where he avoided a huge crash and passed 3 people in one big accidental slide (he didn't afaik but it's an example), or the Fordman Hairpin, where Fordies Sim-Racing career came to end after a tragic brake failure.

But names for names sake is silly, hard to remember and would never catch on.

[KeiichiRX7]

Im with Tristan. However, naming a corner for features that are there doesnt bother me one bit. If i remember correctly theres a big obnoxious Castrol sign at the end of the back straight on Blackwood Forward. Such a situation could easily give rise to that corner being called the "Castrol Corner":scratchch

of course such a situation would probably be more likely to arise in small racing groups.

[mrodgers]

All you have to do is start referring that corner, for example, as Castrol Corner. After a while, those who you are talking with start calling it Castrol Corner. Then the folks they say it to start and on and on. That is how stuff like this happens. Someone makes a comment on it and it starts to trickle down.

"I had some decent racing in the demo servers the other night. Even ran 2 wide with one guy the whole way down the back straight and through Castrol Corner :D ."

"What? Where are you talking about?"

"You know, Castrol Corner, at the end of the Blackwood straight where that big huge Castrol sign is."

"Ah, yea! Never really noticed that big Castrol sign!"

Now, every time that guy goes down the straight, he will notice the big Castrol sign and remember Castrol Corner.

[AndroidXP]

Now, every time that guy goes down the straight, he will notice the big Castrol sign and remember Castrol Corner.
Hey, you know the FedEx arrow?

:p

[Theafro]

It's still the RUFtweeks bridge to me! :D

and besides it's mostly rum adverts at fern bay, soon get confusing,:pillepall

i think i remember ages ago soembody naming THE chichane at AScadet/historic Lionel Ritchie but i can't remember why now:D

[KeiichiRX7]

Speaking of Castrol Corner, im relatively new to this sim and it's cars (and severely out of practice with heel/toe braking). my PC running LFS doesnt even have lan card in it so i can activate it online.

Does anyone still drive the XF GTI? about how far out do you start braking for that?

(just watch, we started calling it castrol corner and theres no castrol sign with my luck)

[mrodgers]

Does anyone still drive the XF GTI? about how far out do you start braking for that?
Lots of GTi drivers in the demo. Not so much in the licensed servers. I still enjoy a jaunt through Blackwood in the GTi, especially if I can come to demo and convince others to buy S2 or to join the "racing" crowd and keep them from wrecking.

(just watch, we started calling it castrol corner and theres no castrol sign with my luck)
Nah, what will happen is, everyone will call it castrol corner for months, then Eric will released updated graphics with the next physics patch, and he will have removed the Castrol sign for something else :Looking_a .

[Hatemaker]

Yes, I think that's what will happen.

Oh, and to comment about the signs on the Nordschleife, yes I've seen them... but the american friends I had with me didn't seem to be paying enough attention, so when on the helmet radio with them, telling them my position, they had no idea... A few hours later though, I took them with me one at a time (2 seater cars) and showed them. Kind of sad really that they didn't notice for so long. After they did, they had more fun because we could tell each other where we all were, and how fast we'd gone through the sections. A good day on the track if I do say so myself. :thumb:

[Fonnybone]

I don't want to appear negative, but people have been trying to do
this since the very beginning, thats like 3 years. Although it's a good
idea, it's never actually worked for a few reasons, like everyone uses
their own names and no one seems to agree on all the names.

I'll say it again, the only way this could work is if the LFS team decided
to provide the names themselves. Perhaps (surely) with the help of the
community, but unless it's in the game itself, ALL people will never
agree on the names.

[Vain]

I have a different theory. It didn't work because everybody either said "This will not work" or "Someone should make names. But hopefully not me!". That way no one began using names for turns.
That means: If you you, yes you, the reader of this very post, want names for turns, use good discriptive names and perhaps people will pick it up.

Vain

[Hyperactive]

So should we just copy the names from real life tracks or just invent our own?

Btw. The first corner at Aston shall be called "Hyper bend" for now on :D :D
...and the chicane at As will be known as "Redexx chicane" (after my "sponsor" ;))

And the long left hand sweeper at Ky nat in the in-field after the chicane and hairpin shall be named after my second sponsor: "The Cromo sweeper"

Not joking, better get your own while you still can ;) :tilt:

[AtomAnt]

Some of these races just get my nerves and heart pounding so hard, that one day I might just keel over at the wheel, if this happens please name the Chicane in FE Green after me :razz:

[MAGGOT]

I agree that the names have to have meaning. You can't just pick a random name.

Also, about names being hard to remember - thats also true. lol. I can only remember 3 turn names right now. Eau Rouge at Spa, Moss Corners at Mosport, and... I forget the third one.. hahaha

Anyways.. yea, names would be cool, but if you want names, start using names and they should eventually catch on.

MAGGOT

[AndroidXP]

I think even IF we had corner names defined by the devs, only corners which are kinda special would be remembered. I doubt anyone would care about turn #13 at FE Black :shrug:. Basically any "easy" corner would be ignored, alteast that's what I predict.

[the_angry_angel]

Perhaps we should name the AS chicane after Vykos' tongue....it kinda reminds me of the same sort of shape ;)

[the_angry_angel]

Is that a euphemism, or something I missed about his trip to the continent? :D

[marsden1002]

I think even IF we had corner names defined by the devs, only corners which are kinda special would be remembered. I doubt anyone would care about turn #13 at FE Black :shrug:. Basically any "easy" corner would be ignored, alteast that's what I predict.

Agree with you on this. Easy corners will not be remembered

[AndroidXP]

Is that a euphemism, or something I missed about his trip to the continent? :D
Tee hee :D

But I doubt the twisty bit is only two metres long ;)

[Gentlefoot]

I think names could work. I know people may not agree on names but that's no different to the real world. I know of corners on UK circuits that get called different things depending on whether its a bike or car race.

I've resorted to using descriptions like hairpin, complex, chicane, sweeper but it still leaves people in doubt.

If the names were thought up by the developers and included in the track meshes so that AnalyzeForSpeed could display them, there would be no arguments.

You could name corners after WR holders or top hotlapers who were fastest through a particular segment. People would go down in LFS history. Or, you could name them after real world corners (often named after sponsors, so complaints are unlikely) of similar characteristics.

[Hyperactive]

Perhaps we should name the AS chicane after Vykos' tongue....it kinda reminds me of the same sort of shape ;)

Nah, I don't want to drive on Vykos' tongue ;)

[Funnybear]

Take a few of the most popular and well used tracks . . .Blackwood, As. Nat. and make a seperate thread for it . . . . Everyone piles in with ideas, suddgestions and stories. The corners are then given names that means something to everyone, a personilsed game. The devs could then take this one board and prehaps a vote taken for the most popular. Some corners demand a great deal of thought and they are corners that everyone finds memorable (T1 As. Nat. Noob Eater, or something.) Then, the most popular gets put into the game as semi offiacial content on track maps or something.

We should do the leg work and present to the Devs our ideas. So long as the names arn't compleltly stupid (But then some in real life sound like they where made up on the spot). We should honour some WR holders, or some notable charactures.

The Scawen complex.

The Eric Curves . . . Etc. Etc.

Make the sim so much more personalble and accessable to us all.

So how about a seperate discussion thread then . . . I think it is worthy of it. Doesn't really need to be an improvement from a Devs PoV. It's something we as a community can contribute to. (espiacially us laymen who know nothing of physics or gravity or how to programme our shoelaces . . .)

Good idea?

No?

Yes?

[Gentlefoot]

Sounds like a good suggestion to me.

[AlfaLover]

Why not sell turn/chicane names? and sell publicity walls ? this can produce a income of money to better support for live for speed development .

[Funnybear]

Companies who sponser these Billboards and advertising space would need a very definate progress regime from Scawen and the boys. Are they ready to deliver that. Who knows that they havn't already thought of that? I'd fancy that on a final release you might just see a few things like that appearing.