LX4 - LX6 - do YOU use 'em?

[Theafro]

I'm always wondering, where the hell are all the LXs online? I can't remember the last time i saw one on a server, it seems the only way to race one is to go on a 'all cars' server, i'm just wondering what people feel about the cars,:shrug:

i really enjoy these little things, colin chapman was a bloody genius:D

[D34N0]

I try to drive them :rally_dri but it feels like rallyX sometimes:)

I was on a server last night friving the LX4 at Fern Bay Gold it was [dSRC] Battle Grounds #3

Great fun Guys

[Funnybear]

Find them a bit of a handfull atm, hopefully the next patch might tame them a bit. Thing is with that kind of Lotus 7 arrangement of car is that you kinda have to be there to get the best from them. They truly are man and machine combo with spicy wings that playing them through a screen just ain't gunna cut the mustard. I mean a car that held the 0-60 production car record for so long (Maybe it still does, but I would be surprised. It must have been supassed by now. 3.something seconds to get to 60mph. Thats enough to make your eyeballs ooze out your ears and your intenstines wrap around the exhaut pipe.) that to play it with the mouse means looking back the way you came more often than not . . .

Still, I have had a few goes and I can see they could be very rewarding one you get to grips with them . . .

I think many people feel the same, hence the lack of servers for them . .

[JJ72]

I don't have time to race and so my pace is a bit off right now, but whatever I have time I will load up the LXs and give them a good spin around Kyoto GP or Aston Historic, they are just so nice in a way that if you drive smoothly, they never bite and when you try to be a bit aggressive they get more and more intensive, hanging between turn in understeer and mid corner oversteer is really a nice feeling, arghhh and hear that engine revs up to 10000 rpm....

[Dj-Aeri]

They're the best cars of the LFS.

[deggis]

It's funny that everyone seems to be loving LX4/6 but the server admins seem to be hating...

LX4 & KY GP rev. Almost better than masturbation.

[Kuba_m]

I think LX4 has just the best rear grip from all road races in LFS. LX6 is also fun and not very hard to drive, so I don't know what are you talking about.

[Racer Y]

LOL it was seeing the LX-4 in screenshots that made me get LFS in the first place. It's still my favorite car. yeah, i'd like to see more servers using it.
lol I'd like to see more people ON the servers I think Digiserve puts them on their servers from time to time (TBO4) and there's usually good racing there.
Also, the LX's are a blast in rally.

[MrSkill]

In the last few weeks I had many LX-Races, exspecially with the teams of Muroc, FAC and dSRC.

It's great fun to drive with those teams, even if they're much faster than me.
But hannu and Alles share their WR-Sets and help beginners every time, so even if I'm in the end of the field it's always a nice race.

So there are a few good LX-servers, not many, but enough to have good races.:thumb:

[avih]

... I mean a car that held the 0-60 production car record for so long (Maybe it still does, but I would be surprised. It must have been supassed by now. 3.something seconds to get to 60mph. Thats enough to make your eyeballs ooze out your ears and your intenstines wrap around the exhaut pipe.) ...

I've done 0-60 MPH in less than 4s on a bike. It's nice but very managable, not like you're falling apart or something ;)

and on topic, yeh, the LX cars are cool, wish there were more servers with them online. They go nicely with the raceabout btw.

[Hyperactive]

LX4 is fun. LX6 is painful.

[Gener_AL (UK)]

deggis i dont think its the admins hating them , i think its just more likely that server will get more visitors if these cars arent selected ,like theafro said usually its an all car server (which means slowerguys alwys pick the faster car = disaster :D ) , but just recently in last couple of weeks, seems everyone is racing the LX4 and if the track is suitable when TBO is flavour , ill add some LX4 spice.
its great combination of vehicles TBO4, if not the best , great for new racers and veterans.

[Renku]

Yes, I drive LX4 & LX6.

[dSRC] Battle Grounds #3 has been on TBO+LX4 on Fern Bay Gold for the past week (or smth) and to my knowledge it's gonna stay there for the next few days.

There is also a dedicated LX-server: Club LX West (background info (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4627)) that is on South City Long with LX4+LX6 atm.

[maczo]

also, with the coming races of nations cup, a (some?) server(s?) switched to lx4 @ so long, which is a very VERY nice combo. yet, the most players i saw there was less than 10... everyone loves the lx4, nobodys driving it... :scratchch

[Don]

we are starting czech league with LX4 in few weeks

[DodgeRacer]

No not really, racing just isnt close enough for me, I mean they are fun and all, but everone is spending more time trying to stay under control than they are they are overtaking, the cars are just way to unpredictable, there is no feel for your grip level in those cars for some reason. Force Feedback needs to be more of a mix of the front and rear tyre traction than the front based system we have now for those cars to be drivable

[XRRoy]

we are starting czech league with LX4 in few weeks
we have 2 races with the LX4 in the Dutch league aswell:)

[Fetzo]

LX4 is fun. LX6 is painful.

lx6 is fun, lx4 is boring.

[maczo]

lx6 is fun, lx4 is boring.

did you try south city with its bumps? i can hardly imagine being bored, even in the lx4.
for you maybe its fun just to make the 6 go approximately where you'd like it to go, or maybe you are just a far better driver than me. i prefer closer racing in a tamer (not tame, mind you) car.
cheers

[Funnybear]

I went and drove the LX4 on a server after posting here. And yes, it is a good car, but for a mouser like me I just can't get the control in to get the most from the car. Plus the setups take a bit of tweakage to get right for a mouse . . .

Like I said, it feels like its a very rewarding car to drive, once you get it right. And it's the getting it right bit that causes problems . .

[Tweaker]

lx6 is fun, lx4 is boring.

LX6 is fun, LX4 is fun :D

Seriously, people always like one or the other :rolleyes:

Both are great cars! LX6 is way more fun on the faster tracks, the LX4 is catered a lot more to the old S1 tracks. LX6 is my favorite, but I gotta say the LX4 is really fun to throw around... and you can really 'punch' the throttle down in and out of corners and it gets some great grip.

like others said, [dSRC] is hosting FE Gold with the LX4 at the moment, and it is a good combo. We also raced at Aston National REV last friday, and that was boring, the car doesn't feel 'proper' there. Still, my point is, drive the cars on a track that is well suited to it. LX6 is fun everywhere, but LX4 there has to be some exceptions. :)

I've always been an LX fan in LFS, haven't liked any others as much as them I guess.

:eclipseeh:icon23:

[mrbogeyman]

We also raced at Aston National REV last friday, and that was boring, the car doesn't feel 'proper' there.

thats what you think! :razz:

[Bob Smith]

Yes, but nowhere near as much as I'd like.

1) Usually can't find a server
2) If I do, it's a silly combo, like LX4 at Aston National reversed.... boring
3) If I start a server, no bugger joins and after an hour or so I get bored and do something else

[mrbogeyman]

Yes, but nowhere near as much as I'd like.

1) Usually can't find a server
2) If I do, it's a silly combo, like LX4 at Aston National reversed.... boring
3) If I start a server, no bugger joins and after an hour or so I get bored and do something else

hhhmpff :shrug:

i liked it.

bob, if you were to ask nicely im sure a dSRC member could set one of our servers to a combo of your liking. well i would! and hopefully you might get a few folk in that way.

[Blowtus]

I'm a huge lx fan, but don't get much chance for public server racing these days.

[DodgeRacer]

I think the challenge of driving them is the whole attraction, it feels really good when you get it right. Yeah you'll probably get closer racing in the FOX because it's easy to drive, but it's so easy it's not particularly exciting.



I disagree; with the right setup the cars feel pretty good. You just have to be careful with the weight transfer, either letting the car settle before making any strong inputs, or accounting for the current balance of the car which is hard to do if you've just gone over a kerb or something.


Do you happen to use keyboard or wheel? I use a wheel, and ive tried a plethera of setups, ive done thousands of laps and i can just never get comfortable, and every time i race with them its a wreckfest, thats what i mean by poor racing, I love a challenge like the next guy, but only 2% of the LFS population can control them, but 90% try, and it just makes for poor racing. Much more with the LX6 than the 4, but cars like the FZ5 and GTT are much more fun for me personaly.

My biggest problem is I just really cant feel what those cars are doing, ever since S1 even, somthing just seems ..wrong...especially compaired to my experiances racing my car, i'm sure its just the nature of the beast, sim racing, but without that feel for what the car is doing its just to hard to predict oversteer.

[Mogar]

For me, the most dissapointing point of S2 is that LX8 was removed before S2 became alpha.

[MyBoss]

We drove the LX4 in SO Long yesterday in Nations Cup. Great fun:thumb:

[Fetzo]

LX6 is fun, LX4 is fun :D

Seriously, people always like one or the other :rolleyes:

Both are great cars! LX6 is way more fun on the faster tracks, the LX4 is catered a lot more to the old S1 tracks. LX6 is my favorite, but I gotta say the LX4 is really fun to throw around... and you can really 'punch' the throttle down in and out of corners and it gets some great grip.

like others said, [dSRC] is hosting FE Gold with the LX4 at the moment, and it is a good combo. We also raced at Aston National REV last friday, and that was boring, the car doesn't feel 'proper' there. Still, my point is, drive the cars on a track that is well suited to it. LX6 is fun everywhere, but LX4 there has to be some exceptions. :)

I've always been an LX fan in LFS, haven't liked any others as much as them I guess.

:eclipseeh:icon23:

maybe the lx4 seems to be boring to me, because there IS a lx6. if there weren't a lx6 i maybe would praise the lx4 too :). imho the lx6 really isn't much harder to drive than the lx4, it's just more fun. it's extra weight makes it less twitchy.

[Hyperactive]

maybe the lx4 seems to be boring to me, because there IS a lx6. if there weren't a lx6 i maybe would praise the lx4 too :). imho the lx6 really isn't much harder to drive than the lx4, it's just more fun. it's extra weight makes it less twitchy.

I'd say it's completely the opposite. Lx4 is less twitchy. But it's just me :) Maybe I would drive the lx6 more if there were servers but for me it just isn't fun enough.

[herki]

For me, the most dissapointing point of S2 is that LX8 was removed before S2 became alpha.

true... but the mecanik and the slickmod help to get over bit a little... to bad we don't have lfstweak for s1/2 cars yet - then we could even have the V8 :thumb:

[Hatemaker]

I use the LX-4, but I'm still working on taming the LX-6. I haven't been able to drive LFS for a while, but not that I'm getting back into it, I think i tshould only be another week or so before I stop wrecking it so often.

[Renku]

What is the track You find the LX4 most fun with?

[Rtsbasic]

Fern Bay, FE Gold is great for the LX4. Been doing some racing there in a DSRC server the last couple of days, great fun. I really do wish there were more servers/players for these cars because they're great fun and often under-estimated when you run them against TBO cars.

[Slaughterofthesoul]

Don't really use them much.

[Blowtus]

I find most things most fun at south city, but the lx's in particular... all the lumps n bumps make for plenty of interest :)

[PLAYLIFE]

I was on a server last night friving the LX4 at Fern Bay Gold it was [dSRC] Battle Grounds #3

Great fun Guys

I was driving there with LX4 for some 9 races total over a week. Then went to BL1 with FOX and immediately improved my PB by 0,5 sec - I had been stuck on 1.11.23 (don't laugh, I drive keyboard) for like 2 months with the same set.:scratchch

[Hyperactive]

What is the track You find the LX4 most fun with?

I guess anything without long fast corners. So Fe tracks are the best... The long fast corners just make me want to delete all the Lx4 & Lx6 related files... oversteer, oversteer and then it snaps omg.

[tristancliffe]

No, the "LX8 was removed before S2 became alpha."

[the_angry_angel]

Which was a shame if you ask me. Could've been a lot of fun driving an LX with slicks. That said, the UF1000 / UFR is a worthy replacement.

I must admit that the LX6 is fun on a couple of Aston tracks, and the LX4 rocks on anything at Fern Bay!

[Blowtus]

I guess anything without long fast corners. So Fe tracks are the best... The long fast corners just make me want to delete all the Lx4 & Lx6 related files... oversteer, oversteer and then it snaps omg.

it's easy enough to fix. full front bar, no rear bar, lowish tyre pressures, fair bit of toe out on the rear, generally soft suspension. It's not at all slow like that either, just requires a different driving style.

[Hyperactive]

it's easy enough to fix. full front bar, no rear bar, lowish tyre pressures, fair bit of toe out on the rear, generally soft suspension. It's not at all slow like that either, just requires a different driving style.

Sure you can fix it by having a pushy setup for the car, but ultimately it's a question of driving style anyway :) And the oversteer, more oversteer, snap! - it's still there. A slightly wrong line into a corner and whee...

[Mogar]

IMO, the formula cars are waaaaay more difficult to drive fast than LX6 (although it's easy to drive slower with the formula cars, and the lx6 don't become easier when driving slower). Even in S1 LX6 wasn't that difficult as some insisted to say that it was.


And it's the most fun car to drive on S2, by far IMO.


Sure you can fix it by having a pushy setup for the car, but ultimately it's a question of driving style anyway And the oversteer, more oversteer, snap! - it's still there. A slightly wrong line into a corner and whee...


Although snappy, it's predictable, and you can feel on the force feedback when it's going to the "danger point", so if you are not going to a qualify lap, you can drive quite clean with them.

[Renku]

Baah...SO, FE? If I would have seen tracks like AS4/AS4R/AS5/AS5R/KY3R - I think I'd have the strength to organize a little (10 lap) race on Saturday evening, but I'll just bore myself with hotlaping, again :schwitz:.

[Blowtus]

Sure you can fix it by having a pushy setup for the car, but ultimately it's a question of driving style anyway :) And the oversteer, more oversteer, snap! - it's still there. A slightly wrong line into a corner and whee...

I don't think it's pushy, I just think the default setups / physics in lfs are too conducive to oversteer. Fast corners in lx's are a very good example of this, they oversteer ridiculously more so than in real life... fixing this with setup leaves no disadvantage that I can see.

[deggis]

For me, the most dissapointing point of S2 is that LX8 was removed before S2 became alpha.
I really don't want to know how tail-happy LX8 would be with the current physics issues...

What is the track You find the LX4 most fun with?
KY GP rev

Don't really use them much.
How could you as you are a demo racer...?

[theblackrabbi]

I find that they are cool cars to drive, but i don't have the time to get over the over twitchy feeling you get with it. I find them to be more fun on slicks with the slickmod, they handle the same way, but you can get more of a feel of the road with slicks :)

[Nick_ll]

Short answer: yes.
When I play LFS, the LX6 definitely is my favourite car :)

[Theafro]

maybee we should set up some sort of LX league, would mean finding a decent race ought not to be too hard.

i feel the LX4 is the perfect tool for learning RWD it's light so you can get used to hurling a car into the corner with more speed than you'd think, but at the same time you need a fair amount of 'power discipline':D , it's the reason i'm able to keep the other RWDs on the road, could never really drive the XR's 'cos of their nasty handling traits (to me anyway) but all that stops with the LX it seems IMHO :shrug:

i dunno i likes 'em all :thumb: (fun to tweak too :D )

[W1LLSD4D]

I don't drive the LX's as much as I'd like to. I have the handling problems others seem to - too heavy right foot is my main problem - as a result I don't feel confident enough to go out & race with others (don't want to spoil their fun) - so don't... pity really.

Perhaps I should try a really heavy understeering set up & take it from there?

[MrSkill]

If nobody wants to set up a cup or league, perhaps someone can organize a few lx-longruns, would be fun.
I would like/try to participate.

[hrtburnout]

LX4 is fun. LX6 is painful.

Real men drive LX6 :D

[Bob Smith]

The LX4 is very nice to drive, the LX6 feels a touch over-powered though. With the 4 if you're straight you're safe, with the 6 even once you've straightened up after a slow corner, you still have to use part throttle or you'll be fighting for a straight line.

I've no problems controlling the oversteer once it happen, however I still agree the cars feel quite edgy. But then they're known to be quite darty IRL anyway, so I've complaints with that really.

[Hyperactive]

Real men drive LX6 :D

Well, I'm a hobbit who likes rwd cars with lots of power and good handling. That excludes car alikes like the LX6 :)

Somehow the LX6 is too painful when using roadies and when using slicks it just has too much grip. The optimum woul be in the middle :)

EDIT: I just forced myself to try the LX6 again, now at Ky2. After 25 laps I can only say that I have never hated LFS so much :(

[deggis]

http://supervroum.noalia.net/chameau/spy/course1_val_de_vienne_voiture_18.wmv
http://supervroum.noalia.net/chameau/spy/course1_croix_en_ternois_voiture_18.wmv

I just hope that after the grip issues are solved we could drive LX4 like that. Just look how aggressively they can drive without the constant fear of loosing the tail. :shrug:

Btw isn't the future (?) version LX8 a bit unrealistic? LX6 already is a race model but how does the specs compare with real life racing versions of Lotus 7 Westfield/Caterham/Locost?

[Mogar]

Somehow the LX6 is too painful when using roadies and when using slicks it just has too much grip. The optimum woul be in the middle :)


maybe you're using too much lock on the differential (try something like 40% on power and 60% coast).... if you're trying locked diffs on lx6, just forget it

[Gimpster]

Well since I admin the Club LX West server. What car and track do you want it set for? I can set it and lock it if there are people that want to setup a race on it.

Right now its limited to LX4, LX6 and open for track and lap selection.

[tailing]

I tend to prefer the LX4, it's more in keeping with the original design and being lighter you can throw it around a bit more, best on shorter tracks.

Next week I'll be running an LX4 night for the AAL at South City Sprint Track 1, aussie racers only I'm afraid but it should be some great racing.

[deggis]

Well since I admin the Club LX West server. What car and track do you want it set for? I can set it and lock it if there are people that want to setup a race on it.

Right now its limited to LX4, LX6 and open for track and lap selection.
LX4 @ KY National
LX4 @ Fern Bay Green / Gold

:)

[theblackrabbi]

Come Join

[Leprekaun]

In my opinion, the LX cars are the cars which lie between the single-seater and saloon car. Their handling is so original, I was thinking of forming an LX racing team, but I am not sure yet if I would make it LX cars only as that would seem unpopular or all cars but concentrate on LX cars only. If you think about it, if there were more LX leagues, they can be more popular. If you agree to my idea of having an LX based team, send me a PM :D.