Skin Stealers In Lfs

[GlobB3n]

WWD has been infiltreated by a bunch of noobs that have stolen our skin and teamtag. i want these people banned from all servers until they get removed their licenses for lfs. OR the LFS crew sort out this ridicoulous problem.. They claim to have bought my teamskin online. I HAVE never approved to that....

they are reported to the LFS crew several times by several WWD members today.

we hope this gets sorted soon.


6 HOURS MAKING TEAMSKIN NO POINT IF THEY CAN DOWNLOAD USABLE VERSION..................................

[S14 DRIFT]

Eh, Jakg has an idea when it comes to that, I recall.

Make an insulting skin that has like "I am a skin stealing twat" or something, and upload it using the same name... since LFS World downloads based on a latest date, it'll download that and everyone will see them driving around with that xD

[J@tko]

Make an insulting skin that has like "I am a skin stealing twat" or something, and upload it using the same name... since LFS World downloads based on a latest date, it'll download that and everyone will see them driving around with that xD
xD :D

I love your way of thinking :tilt: (your = Jakg's :P)

[Jakg]

"his way of thinking"? It's my bloody idea! :D

EDIT - http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=379904#post379904

[S14 DRIFT]

Thankyou for finding it Jack :)

I was of course refering to your idea, I just lost the post :D

[J@tko]

"his way of thinking"? It's my bloody idea! :D

EDIT - http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=379904#post379904
LOL :tilt:

[GlobB3n]

So i have already send a emial to lfs crew. when they contact me back i will report the 3-4 people insulting WWD and takin a piss on what we say.. Stops here. insulting skin aint worth it. Private skin = a private skin...... High res downloaded aint suppose to be visible other than ingame or?????? why can they use a personal uploaded skin as it was their own.....

[garph]

There is nothing you/anyone can really do. No server bans will be given (unless you ban them from your own, if you have any) no licences will be removed.

Hi-res skins are still downloaded, all you need is a .dds plugin to view them or convert them to jpg.

Privates skins are meaningless to those who don't respect the idea, it's more of a gentlemen’s agreement.

[Victor]

Hello GlobB3n,

garph basically has said it all. We will never ban someone for stealing skins. Skins after being downloaded are saved to your computer and anyone with a bit of search capabilities can figure out how to convert the dds file to a jpg as was previously explained.
It's a fact of life in LFS that skins can be used by others and there is little that we or anyone can do about it. The best approach therefore in general is to keep your nerve and ask kindly of the 'offender' would stop using your skin.

(ps this post is instead of a mail reply)

[S14 DRIFT]

Taken from old thread.

They aren't stealing it. You are G-I-V-I-N-G it to them. You are uploading it to a service who's sole purpose is to DISTRIBUTE IT.

The connection between stealing a physical item and this is beyond stupid. I'm trying very hard not to berate you more than necessary, but you are making it oh so very hard. I know you probably wont understand this concept, but I'll explain it anyway.

Taking a physical item from someone DEPRIVES them of said item. They LOSE something, they leave with LESS than they started with. In the case of content, they aren't STEALING it...stealing indicated theft, theft indicates loss. You have LOST nothing. You still have your skin, therefore, they are not, in fact, stealing it. Its the same with the music industry. At least though, with music, they can claim a loss, because they lost the sale. You aren't selling anything, so you have no argument. Also, Last I checked, there is no way to upload a license with the image, so you can't even claim copyright infringement. While you legally hold the copyright, without a license, it falls under "fair use" and therefor, they can use it.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about... Nope, I don't skin cars for LFS. The texture mapping is horrendous at best. I've got about 10 cars I've done...only 2 uploaded to lfsworld because the others are incomplete. As games go, the mapping of the models is very bad. A 25 pixel square on the hood is generally not the same size on the model as a 25 pixel square on the door. That's a HUGE no-no when it comes to serious modeling/texturing. Frankly, I don't feel the need to waste my time trying to work around it.

However, I do spend around 10-15 hours a week contributing to various open-source development projects. All free, all open source, and all GPL licensed (anyone can copy, modify, and redistribute any code I create at their leisure, as long as they leave my license info in the file). Frankly, I think that content creators who try to keep anyone from using their content, or only allow its use with restrictive terms, are greedy, self-serving, poor examples of humanity. Theres a time and a place to make money off of content creation, when its offered as a service, ok. Development shops, software developers, and artists that actually provide their skills as paid services are fine. People who do it for a hobby, put it out there for anyone (generally more of a "bragging" type thing) and bitch when someone uses it that they don't like are quite despicable.

If you don't want someone to use your skin, don't give it to them. Simple as that. Your argument is juvenile and defensive, which means it should hardly be taken seriously. By putting your skin on lfsworld.com, you are, in-fact, GIVING it to everyone you race with, and you are doing so without license or restriction. If you don't like it, don't upload it. If you create skins because you like it, then keep them to yourself. But thats not really it, you want everyone to see it, you want the attention, you have the need to feel recognition for your work, and that's perfectly ok, thats normal behavior in every aspect. However, unless LFS integrates some sort of license system or encryption setup, anything you upload is considered "fair use" material, and that means people can use, modify, and redistribute. The only thing they can do that would be marginally illegal, would be to profit from it...and thats still a very gray line.

Nuff said Imo.

[Larsi_racer]

Hello GlobB3n,

The best approach therefore in general is to keep your nerve and ask kindly of the 'offender' would stop using your skin.



Dose gays was not nice, the come back whit WWD in there names, glob saved replays so:smileypul

[GlobB3n]

OK lfs just got Lame too me. ( i take this back )

[GlobB3n]

everyone can join team anyways if they want. LFS became crap to me now.

LFS crew u have to fix this or it will never be a team game. as soon people get to know this proper they will all use any skin. im downloading lfs team skins for the most serious teams in lfs. see how they think about it. Im out of WWD just so u all know it........

[Crashgate3]

As a few others have said - make a new one, in pink with 'I'm a noob who steals skins' on it, and upload it with the same name. The stealer will still see the original stolen skin as what they see is taken from their skins folder and so they'll be none the wiser, but anyone else racing will see the new, downloaded one from LFSworld.

[zeugnimod]

im downloading lfs team skins for the most serious teams in lfs. see how they think about it.

Great attitude. :thumb:

I guess they will all stop playing LFS since it became crap to them. :(

[GlobB3n]

The idiot have uploaded the skin i removed..... With same name as mine.... SO what the **** can i do? i had to change name of skin to make sure its my personal one and not like said above........


LFS really have to fix these issues.

A PERSONAL SKIN IS A PERSONAL SKIN. LFS MAKERS U SUCK AT THIS

[GlobB3n]

I love LFS too much too stop.

Im not gonna stop play lfs... But this is a PROPER BUG by my opinion

[GlobB3n]

Hope u take a look at see what kinda of a problem this is.....

Skin Stealers and fake tag users are :


jonny211984
Liam_Of_Stockton
hoggy2k8


These are Now Wanted banned or Remove from all Known WWD Servers.

To see the proper WWD crew go to our WEBSITE in a few days website is under update.....

[GlobB3n]

Still a bug that needs sorting out. But they get banned from known WWD servers if they try again. so i dont have to meet them atleast =)

[Dajmin]

The easiest way to screw over the potential thieves is to give the skin a name that's just a random stream of letters and numbers (dkd81n.dds), or otherwise hard to read and search for, or make it completely unrelated to your team. That way they won't know (a) who the skin is downloading from, or (b) which one it is they're looking for in their folder.

But since it's an unprotected file format, there's no way to stop people using it if they want to.

It was discussed before that it'd be nice if there was a way of LFS automatically deleting "private" flagged skins when that player left the game, but I don't know how practical it would be.
Obviously even that method would still allow people to grab it while you were logged in, but it would make life a little harder for the lazy ones.

The other method is to regularly update your team skins, thereby making most of the stolen ones obsolete.

[Trekkerfahrer]

i am using Jakgs way since my thread which is linked above, works good because the stealer is a good brake for all the others ;)
WORKS and PWNED :D

The only way to prevent skin stealing would be an own fileformat where the skin is in and a list of LFS usernames who are allowed to use them (like an encrypted ZIP or RAR archive)

[col]

hmm, personally, I think this is a bit silly - if others use your skins, then take it as a compliment. If you want to keep original, keep updating the skins and use a cryptic filename as already suggested (or make a distinctive but crap skin like mine that noone else will want to use ;).

That said, maybe now that everyone has a unique ID, it might be possible for the devs to use some sort of lightweight encryption to bind a skin to a username ? something for S3 perhaps...
(Maybe charge for a skin protection service that includes encryption and the option to report someone who uploads a copy of your skin ?)

I guess that this would still be open to abuse by dedicated hackers, but at least it would stop casual skin borrowers or folks who don't realize that some players will blow their top and have a forum tantrum if another uses their skin.

[Dajmin]

You can't protect them though - they're only DDS or JPGs. Anyone with an image editing package can open them.
The only non-file method I can think of would involve storing the skins in memory, but that would kill off people with older systems.
Or create a custom encrypted file type, but the hassle associated with that probably outweighs the benefits.

[ATC Quicksilver]

The best thing to do is change the name of your main skins, then upload joke skins in the place of the originals, that way they will drive around with skins like Jakg's. Most people in LFS are nice enough to either not use team skins, or ask if they can do so. I have been asked before, and if I have to say no I usually offer to make them a similar version or their own team skins.

[swingkid]

Taken from old thread.

Quote:
They aren't stealing it. You are G-I-V-I-N-G it to them. You are uploading it to a service who's sole purpose is to DISTRIBUTE IT.

The connection between stealing a physical item and this is beyond stupid. I'm trying very hard not to berate you more than necessary, but you are making it oh so very hard. I know you probably wont understand this concept, but I'll explain it anyway.

Taking a physical item from someone DEPRIVES them of said item. They LOSE something, they leave with LESS than they started with. In the case of content, they aren't STEALING it...stealing indicated theft, theft indicates loss. You have LOST nothing. You still have your skin, therefore, they are not, in fact, stealing it. Its the same with the music industry. At least though, with music, they can claim a loss, because they lost the sale. You aren't selling anything, so you have no argument. Also, Last I checked, there is no way to upload a license with the image, so you can't even claim copyright infringement. While you legally hold the copyright, without a license, it falls under "fair use" and therefor, they can use it.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about... Nope, I don't skin cars for LFS. The texture mapping is horrendous at best. I've got about 10 cars I've done...only 2 uploaded to lfsworld because the others are incomplete. As games go, the mapping of the models is very bad. A 25 pixel square on the hood is generally not the same size on the model as a 25 pixel square on the door. That's a HUGE no-no when it comes to serious modeling/texturing. Frankly, I don't feel the need to waste my time trying to work around it.

However, I do spend around 10-15 hours a week contributing to various open-source development projects. All free, all open source, and all GPL licensed (anyone can copy, modify, and redistribute any code I create at their leisure, as long as they leave my license info in the file). Frankly, I think that content creators who try to keep anyone from using their content, or only allow its use with restrictive terms, are greedy, self-serving, poor examples of humanity. Theres a time and a place to make money off of content creation, when its offered as a service, ok. Development shops, software developers, and artists that actually provide their skills as paid services are fine. People who do it for a hobby, put it out there for anyone (generally more of a "bragging" type thing) and bitch when someone uses it that they don't like are quite despicable.

If you don't want someone to use your skin, don't give it to them. Simple as that. Your argument is juvenile and defensive, which means it should hardly be taken seriously. By putting your skin on lfsworld.com, you are, in-fact, GIVING it to everyone you race with, and you are doing so without license or restriction. If you don't like it, don't upload it. If you create skins because you like it, then keep them to yourself. But thats not really it, you want everyone to see it, you want the attention, you have the need to feel recognition for your work, and that's perfectly ok, thats normal behavior in every aspect. However, unless LFS integrates some sort of license system or encryption setup, anything you upload is considered "fair use" material, and that means people can use, modify, and redistribute. The only thing they can do that would be marginally illegal, would be to profit from it...and thats still a very gray line.


Nuff said Imo.

so you cant steel music because its broadcasted trough the air?:scratchch
every picture,photho, drawing or other artistic work is automatic copyrighted ( search the internet)
when i upload a skin i don't give permission to use for themselves but only to show my car properly
if i post it here on the forum than its public (unless i say its privat)
can't hepl it if they abuse this but that dosn't make it right (as with copying music ,photo's ....)
and its not the end of the world

[S14 DRIFT]

It's a totaly different story with music...... if you read the above you'd have understood. People don't make money by 'selling' or 'making' their skins, so you cannot compare.

[boothy]

Yes but that quote's assertion that because there is no license with the skin it makes it fair dealing is a lot of crap. Copyright is automatic.

[swingkid]

did you read properly?:)
it doesn't have anything to do with money

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights
from the above:
Obtaining and enforcing copyright

Typically, a work must meet minimal standards of originality in order to qualify for copyright, and the copyright expires after a set period of time (some jurisdictions may allow this to be extended). Different countries impose different tests, although generally the requirements are low; in the United Kingdom there has to be some 'skill, labour and judgment' that has gone into it.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#cite_note-2) In Australia and the United Kingdom it has been held that a single word is insufficient to comprise a copyright work. However, single words or a short string of words can sometimes be registered as a trademark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark) instead.
Copyright law recognises the right of an author based on whether the work actually is an original creation, rather than based on whether it is unique; two authors may own copyright on two substantially identical works, if it is determined that the duplication was coincidental, and neither was copied from the other.
In all countries where the Berne Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_an d_Artistic_Works) standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights. However, while registration isn't needed to exercise copyright, in jurisdictions where the laws provide for registration, it serves as prima facie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_facie) evidence of a valid copyright and enables the copyright holder to seek statutory damages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_damages_for_copyright_infringement) and attorney's fees. (In the USA, registering after an infringement only enables one to receive actual damages and lost profits.)
The original holder of the copyright may be the employer of the author rather than the author himself, if the work is a "work for hire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_for_hire)". For example, in English law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_law) the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 provides that if a copyrighted work is made by an employee in the course of that employment, the copyright is automatically owned by the employer as a "Work for Hire."
Copyrights are generally enforced by the holder in a civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28private_law%29) court, but there are also criminal infringement statutes in some jurisdictions. While central registries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_registry) are kept in some countries, which aid in proving claims of ownership, registering does not necessarily prove ownership, nor does the fact of copying (even without permission) necessarily prove (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_proof) that copyright was infringed. Criminal sanctions are generally aimed at serious counterfeiting activity, but are now becoming more commonplace as copyright collectives such as the RIAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA) are increasingly targeting the file sharing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing) home Internet user. Thus far, however, most such cases against file sharers have been settled out of court. (See: File sharing and the law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_and_the_law))



and there were topics about people who made a teamskin for money (to be honest i can't find the topic) but that isn't the issue

[GlobB3n]

The easiest way to screw over the potential thieves is to give the skin a name that's just a random stream of letters and numbers (dkd81n.dds), or otherwise hard to read and search for, or make it completely unrelated to your team. That way they won't know (a) who the skin is downloading from, or (b) which one it is they're looking for in their folder.

But since it's an unprotected file format, there's no way to stop people using it if they want to.

It was discussed before that it'd be nice if there was a way of LFS automatically deleting "private" flagged skins when that player left the game, but I don't know how practical it would be.
Obviously even that method would still allow people to grab it while you were logged in, but it would make life a little harder for the lazy ones.

The other method is to regularly update your team skins, thereby making most of the stolen ones obsolete.





THanks this was a great idea... :)

[GlobB3n]

I havent approved for selling my skin either. Wheres the cash for it then?

[Shadowww]

I havent approved for selling my skin either. Wheres the cash for it then?
100$ is enought? If it is, u can get it at any cruise server. :D

[col]

every picture,photho, drawing or other artistic work is automatic copyrighted

yes, but this is moot in the case of LFS

when i upload a skin i don't give permission to use for themselves but only to show my car properly
if i post it here on the forum than its public (unless i say its privat)
can't hepl it if they abuse this but that dosn't make it right (as with copying music ,photo's ....)
and its not the end of the world
For your skins to be usable in LFS everyone has to have a copy of them, so for there to be any point in having skins, you must allow every user to obtain a copy freely.

For someone to use your skin on their car, they don't need to make an extra copy, so copyright is irrelevant in this case.

You don't have the ability in LFS to grant or refuse individuals the right to have a copy of your skin, its either everyone or no-one, so all your stuff about "i don't give permission to use for themselves but only to show my car properly" is nonsense.
It's either freely available public skin or no skin.... that's your choice plain and simple. If you choose to upload your skin the LFS world, then others can decide to use your skin whether you like it or not.
If you are polite and explain that you would rather they didn't, they *might* agree and stop using it. If you start shouting and calling them names... and demanding that they stop using it, followed with legal threats and forum tantrums, then it is highly likely that they will tell you where to shove it, and make every effort to use each new skin you design just to wind you up.

[Mikey Monkfish]

Col speaks the truth.

I don't really see what all the fuss is about. If you'd spent hundreds of hours making a skin to sell for millions upon millions of game credits (Reference point: Forza Motorsport 2) then I can see the point of having a bit of a hoo-haa about it all, but the graphics on LFS are hardly something to write home about and the skins are far from complex (comparatively speaking).

If someone steals your skin, just do as already advised and re-do one with a random name, and update it frequently.

[GlobB3n]

We have decided to not to anything about it. It says clear there as "Col" say\quote..




This is The end of this Post for my Opinion.


Sorry to the LFS makers... Still a Great game. But this is maybe somthing to add in feuture. ( team tags is chosen by LFSW and team listing there maybe? ) Then it will never happen that team tags get stolen and used..
then skin have nothing to say.... if u get what i ment...

[NoYPiDRiFTER]

Hope u take a look at see what kinda of a problem this is.....

Skin Stealers and fake tag users are :


jonny211984
Liam_Of_Stockton
hoggy2k8


These are Now Wanted banned or Remove from all Known WWD Servers.

To see the proper WWD crew go to our WEBSITE in a few days website is under update.....
That explains it. I know those guys, there total arses, and they do steal stuff. I used to code an insim for them for cruise, and he expected so much. Wanted everything like this one server. I decided not to make it.

[swingkid]

col: i don't think you get the point:shrug:

[MemphisRaines]

Once the game starts acting like a real online race game i.e not sending your personal skin to everyone, instead reading it from an online library, LFS will be much better :D

[SamH]

col: i don't think you get the point:shrug:
I suspect, far more likely, it is you that doesn't get col's point.
Once the game starts acting like a real online race game i.e not sending your personal skin to everyone, instead reading it from an online library, LFS will be much better :D
When you've invented the "ethereal internet", let us know and we'll all move over to using that. Then, once we've got the einternet, all we have to do is THINK our skins to everyone so everyone can see what our skins look like (as long as they close their eyes while driving) and we can just blow this whole physical internet nonsense off. :thumb:

Or, alternatively, you could go get yourself an understanding of how the real internet works, then prolly come back and delete your post out of sheer embarassment. :shrug:

[ColeusRattus]

Actually, there is one simple solution for teams to prevent skin stealing:

Use two skins:
a public skin for public racing, which isn't "exclusive" to your team in so far that skin "stealing" isn't a problem

and a team skin (with a randomized name) you only use in league and closed server racing, where the chance of someone else using it is slim.

On a sidenote: i'd be flattered if anyone would want use my skins ;)

[swingkid]

I suspect, far more likely, it is you that doesn't get col's point.

When you've invented the "ethereal internet", let us know and we'll all move over to using that. Then, once we've got the einternet, all we have to do is THINK our skins to everyone so everyone can see what our skins look like (as long as they close their eyes while driving) and we can just blow this whole physical internet nonsense off. :thumb:

Or, alternatively, you could go get yourself an understanding of how the real internet works, then prolly come back and delete your post out of sheer embarassment. :shrug:
example:
when i give permision to use a photo in a magazine
every body who buys the magazine gets a copy of my photo
but they still not allowed to use it themselfs
thats copyright!
i know that there are people who will use the photo as i know that there are people who use the skins witout permision
but that still doesn't make it right!
but whe do have to live with it (thiefs are everywhere also on the net )
col thinks that skins have no copyright !?
again:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights
it aply's to all origionall work
my case was just pointing out that it is steeling
im not asking to do anithing obout it , i belive that would be a waste of time

[broken]

Just my opinion.

I think of exactly 2 methods(2nd is too slow and complicated so I won't mention it) of preventing stealing.

There goes: Make the option private/public as most of the people said. And if private add a command like "/w gs username" gs = give skin. Skins have date of add atm. Maybe just one more field that saves the ids of users will do it. Like:
------------------------------------------
| skin1 | 22.11.2008 | 43 7347 9847 76 16 |
| skin2 | 14.04.2008 | 84 643 8438 643 89 |
------------------------------------------
Just guessing how the skins' dates are placed. No real idea if I'm right.
What I meant is to add ids separated by spaces. The most easiest way to read it since some usernames contain spaces or special symbols that may confuse the system if separating it with "-" lets say. Then when you join the game it will not only check the skins in X folder but the ones in Y also if u have rights to use them. If not:
Possibility 1: Del from Y.
Possibility 2: Move from Y to X.
Possibility 3: Don't let the person join the race with it.

About copyrights - This is silly. What about the people who develop games/movies/music/whatever. What should they say? It takes them months or even years to build. Their work gets stolen by hundreds or even thousands of people.
We fight here for thing that takes us hours. And it really means that people like your work if they use it(in some special occasions when they want to harm you by crashing. But anyway in the most cases they will be banned from the server, not you) so why even bother? It's no use to fight right now.
Other thing: If you want to keep it for yourself write your username on it. I bet that most of the server admins know the shift+ctrl combination.
Just for the record - I have made skins and people have used them(I won't say stole because its just a game and I don't really care that much but if I want them to take it off I will tell).
All on all its the same with posts in the forum. One thinks of something and others tell him that such thing already exists and sometimes it can be the start of a new fight.

Well I don't know what I really wrote now so I will stop. xD

[S14 DRIFT]

But wouldn't that just complicate things and increase system resources? One of the best things about LFS is that even older PCs can run it fine, and it's the same on network capacity. If you add all these extra checks to see if you can use/see a skin then it'll slow everything down.

Simple thing to do is to take it on the chin, some people are far to serious :D

[broken]

I just tried to point the way if people want their skins to be secured.
I know its far too complicated for something not that far important. But I don't see the point of fighting anyway.

As I said in my previous reply - Just my opinion. ;) I don't want to take place against anyone and enter useless fights.

[swingkid]

Actually, there is one simple solution for teams to prevent skin stealing:

Use two skins:
a public skin for public racing, which isn't "exclusive" to your team in so far that skin "stealing" isn't a problem

and a team skin (with a randomized name) you only use in league and closed server racing, where the chance of someone else using it is slim.

On a sidenote: i'd be flattered if anyone would want use my skins ;)
i think your right. it can be as simple as that!:thumb:

[Woz]

example:
when i give permision to use a photo in a magazine
every body who buys the magazine gets a copy of my photo
but they still not allowed to use it themselfs
thats copyright!
i know that there are people who will use the photo as i know that there are people who use the skins witout permision
but that still doesn't make it right!
but whe do have to live with it (thiefs are everywhere also on the net )
col thinks that skins have no copyright !?
again:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrights
it aply's to all origionall work
my case was just pointing out that it is steeling
im not asking to do anithing obout it , i belive that would be a waste of time

Then when someone steals your skin use copyright law and take them to court. You have to use the courts to protect copyright, as the RIAA do :).

It is not for LFS to protect your skin as it need to distribute it for others to see it. This is the way of EVERY online game there is at the mo.

[swingkid]

people said it wasn't steeling (10nt post in this topic)
i wanted only to point out that (by law) it is steeling!
so that people don't think they have the RIGHT to use every skin they want!
and indeed it is not to lfs to protect the copyright but i thought i didn't say that

i thought i explaint my self in the other posts:shrug:

[JayTCon]

Pfeh, relax airhead you shouldn't want to have anyone banned because or YOUR ignorance of how LFS operates. Whenever someone drives around with your team skin LFS automatically downloads it to their skins_x folder as a dds file the can then easily copy and paste to skins_dds so quit complaining you shoulda found that out before you started making the skin.

[S14 DRIFT]

paste to skins you mean.

[Zen321]

people said it wasn't steeling (10nt post in this topic)
i wanted only to point out that (by law) it is steeling!
so that people don't think they have the RIGHT to use every skin they want!
and indeed it is not to lfs to protect the copyright but i thought i didn't say that

i thought i explaint my self in the other posts:shrug:

It is not stealing as long as the guy did not pay for a copyright on his skin.

[swingkid]

ah well if people won't read or doesn't understand :shrug:

[legoflamb]

Jakg's idea is very entertaining, and effective.

It is not stealing as long as the guy did not pay for a copyright on his skin.

That's why most inventions don't happen because there is no guarantee that the idea wont get copied before it gets patented rendering it useless.

[edzhjus]

Sorry for bumping this thread but if i make new one you will still attack me..so once again i had a little argue on demo(yes i know that demo users are not serious but until i get license..) server but however which one is right:
I said that if person got S2 which is needed for skin upload it is grown up enough to decide if he wants to upload or not that skin and until i`m not modifying that skin or calling it mine its ok!
He said that using those skins by moving them to skins_dds folder is disrespect to creators and stealing..other person also said that if u`re not using official team skin but some funny skin like spongebob or powerpuffs and still not calling it as yours and not modifying its ok and its just a game! That`s the purpose the skins are made - for public use so that people can have good time..
Look i dont want ban|warn|whatever or to offend someone i just want truth!
P.S.There is a way - insert authors name on those skin files so that everyone can find and ask them if the skin is for public use or not..
P.P.S.I think that next LFS should be made with option to automaticaly give users ability to use seen skins cause they can be moved from skins_x to skins_dds anyway..

[Bean0]

You shouldn't really be using skins from the skins_x folder.

Yes, a lot of them will be public skins and you are doing no wrong by using them.
BUT, a few of them will certainly be team skins, or private/personal skins of a particular racer.

If you see a skin you like in-game, ask the guy wearing it where he got it from.