Round 8: Race Discussion & Penalties

[DeadWolfBones]

Stream #1: http://www.multibc.de/Streamstarter/html/event_2.html
Stream #2: http://www.lfsigtc.net/media/media.html
Tracker #1: http://host.lucidstudios.co.uk/~dbpserve/igtc/ (malfunctioning)
Tracker #2: http://mastersofendurance.eu/tracker/ (working... mostly?)


Penalties:
SG to #24 for avoidable contact with #19
SG to #19 for avoidable contact with #12
DT to #14 for passing cars under yellow.
DT to #26 for passing under yellow.
DT to #11 for chatting.

replay: http://files.filefront.com/AS7+race+4H+3R+21Fmpr/;11911215;/fileinfo.html

[Dragonmen]

Good luck to everyone for this final round! :thumb:

[arco]

Anyone else have bad streaming?

[AMB]

Yup I can't see anything, and on the IGTC one I see and hear but it lags really bad :(

[Dragonmen]

Auto start via webpage doesn't work for me, video lan player started playing then stopped... WMP asks for codec... Winamp says bad request :)
I don't have time to do this I have a team to run :D

[arco]

It's like the guy streaming have a task going that maxes out the cpu. Try reboot. :)

[arco]

Say "thanks arco". :D

[Makao]

Still slideshow.

[Dragonmen]

#9 on out lap crashed us #33 on our fast lap... timestamp: 2mins until the end, back straight...
It was our last chance for a better postion in qual :(
I guess any penalty would do nothing because #9 is dead last anyway :shrug: [2sec off the qualy pace]

just a shame... come on people, pay attention!

[arco]

Hmm, slideshow yes. :(

[Gil07]

#9 on out lap crashed us #33 on our fast lap... timestamp: 2mins until the end, back straight...
It was our last chance for a better postion in qual :(
I guess any penalty would do nothing because #9 is dead last anyway :shrug: [2sec off the qualy pace]

just a shame... come on people, pay attention!

I agree, he ruined one of our hotlaps as well, he was going very slow in a corner, blocking us...

Seems he did the same to ConeDodgers :really:

[AMB]

The guy in the yellow XRR? if so i saw it on remote.

[Mysho]

#09 R.Zima ruined also my fastest hotlap, but I dont remember in what lap (didnt save the replay :x )

I dont care about it, but next time, please pay attention!

[Dragonmen]

Correction of myself: it is not 2sec of the qual pace, it is 2sec of the pace from the team in front of them :really: :shrug:

[Dragonmen]

The guy in the yellow XRR? if so i saw it on remote.

On remote they are all colored differently depending on the time you connected to the server :D so I guess you saw it as yellow but that doesnt mean that it is the same to the others... I guess so :scratchch

[zeromussov]

The sound of LFS is to loud in the stream. Hard to understand the commentator atm. Possible to lower the volume?

[R.Kolz]

Please check the incident #04/#15 lap 3 T2

Car #15 recovers from an accident and drives onto car #4 racing line.

[DeadWolfBones]

Please check the incident #04/#15 lap 3 T2

Car #15 recovers from an accident and drives onto car #4 racing line.

This was a lag incident, as it was with the #15 and #5 the lap before.

Lotes or any #15 representative, can you have Bunby check his connection? That's two incidents caused by his lag. It doesn't seem severe during regular driving (watching it now) but it could possibly cause more problems.

[AMB]

On remote they are all colored differently depending on the time you connected to the server :D so I guess you saw it as yellow but that doesnt mean that it is the same to the others... I guess so :scratchch

I was watching the stream :thumb:

[Locovich]

This was a lag incident, as it was with the #15 and #5 the lap before.

Lotes or any #15 representative, can you have Bunby check his connection? That's two incidents caused by his lag. It doesn't seem severe during regular driving (watching it now) but it could possibly cause more problems.

Thats right.... we´re now behind #15 and is difficult to aproach him, because of his lag... :shrug:

[Dragonmen]

I was watching the stream :thumb:

But you said "I saw it on remote" :D

[Psymonhilly]

car #12 protests against car #19 for contact and forcing us off track.
lap 18

[joshdifabio]

Protest against #24 by #19 - spdoRacing #1.

The incident occured on lap 1 turn 3.

[DeadWolfBones]

Protest against #24 by #19 - spdoRacing #1.

The incident occured on lap 1 turn 3.

In this incident the #24 driver either badly missed his braking point or misjudged the amount he needed to slow due to the traffic ahead. The result was contact with the rear of the #19 and a costly spin.

SG for #24 for unnecessary contact.

[DeadWolfBones]

car #12 protests against car #19 for contact and forcing us off track.
lap 18

The #19 car attempted an overtake at what we consider to be a very risky place on the track (the flat-out backstretch kink), and failed to give proper room to the #12 car, forcing him off the track.

SG penalty for #19.

[Dragonmen]

Wow! What a crazy thing...

First it took a lot time to do something about us being in gravel and then when PC finally got out it went wrong way to come to us on shorter line because we were on last part of last sector, and he collected P4 car at that moment
:tilt:

:x

crazy...

And there goes our race :shrug:

[CSF]

Wow! What a crazy thing...

First it took a lot time to do something about us being in gravel and then when PC finally got out it went wrong way to come to us on shorter line because we were on last part of last sector, and he collected P4 car at that moment
:tilt:

:x

crazy...

And there goes our race :shrug:

I thought I was seeing things... I really did... amazing moment...

[scipy]

During the SC period car #14 passed 2-3 backmarkers and positioned himself right behind #39. No overtaking under SC periods (even lapping) is the rule.

[sokke]

#26 passed #06 under yellow flag (lap 30)

[BreadC]

This was a lag incident, as it was with the #15 and #5 the lap before.

Lotes or any #15 representative, can you have Bunby check his connection? That's two incidents caused by his lag. It doesn't seem severe during regular driving (watching it now) but it could possibly cause more problems.

sorry guys i do not understand what happens here :s my internet is running at full possible speed. 576/288 i have only lfs and ts open.

i have done a complete reset of everything router, computer, etc.. i hope this solves the problem.

but in race i was noticing my bar going green/red few times. :(

anyone i hit from this i am sorry :(

[DeadWolfBones]

During the SC period car #14 passed 2-3 backmarkers and positioned himself right behind #39. No overtaking under SC periods (even lapping) is the rule.

DT for #14.

[DeadWolfBones]

#26 passed #06 under yellow flag (lap 30)

DT to #26.

[R.Kolz]

Great battle Conquest and XFusion! :thumb:

[Itar (CZ)]

Great battle Conquest and XFusion! :thumb:

Yea, it's damn close now :)

[AMB]

But you said "I saw it on remote" :D

:( My mind is melting lol I ment stream :P

[kamo2000]

Great battle Conquest and XFusion! :thumb:

Thank you my pleasure :P

[dekojester]

How's the stream going for the viewers ?

d (from the Commentary box)

[kamo2000]

Fine here but it's closing for me after few minuts so i must reopen it. Using winamp here.

[Ziomek21]

Laps 75 and 76 - #26 was blocking under the blue flag

[Gil07]

How's the stream going for the viewers ?

d (from the Commentary box)

Never worked here... Goes 1 sec then freezes each time...

[dekojester]

Never worked here... Goes 1 sec then freezes each time...

It's a new system, so any comments on what worked/didn't would be appreciated.

d

[Gil07]

Well, as I said, nothing works for me... But it seems to work for others, so probably is my connection.

[DeadWolfBones]

Laps 75 and 76 - #26 was blocking under the blue flag

Lap 76, the #26 car was far behind you due to contact with the #39 in T1.

On lap 75 there was an interesting moment on the backstraight after the kink, but it's hard to say whether the #26 was defending or trying to let you by.

Judgement: racing incident.

[Falcon_PT]

Protest against car #28 by the #24 car.

The incident occured on Lap 79 in T1

[Arrow.]

Protest against car #22 R.Dario by the #12 car.
Time: 3hrs 8mins
Lap: 99
incident occurred on restart exit T2 putting me on my roof ending our race.

[replays coming]

[DeadWolfBones]

No replay needed, Josh. We've got it.

[Arrow.]

No replay needed, Josh. We've got it.

thanks mate :thumbsup:

[DeadWolfBones]

Protest against car #28 by the #24 car.

The incident occured on Lap 79 in T1

This was a lag incident. Unfortunate, but no one's fault. In the replay there is over a car-length between the two cars when the #24 goes spinning.

No penalty.

[DeadWolfBones]

DT to #11 for chatting.

[DeadWolfBones]

Protest against car #22 R.Dario by the #12 car.
Time: 3hrs 8mins
Lap: 99
incident occurred on restart exit T2 putting me on my roof ending our race.

[replays coming]

#22 driver hit the gas a little too hard exiting T2 and had power-on oversteer, turning slightly into the side of the #12 car. From there, LFS's bizarre crash physics took over and sent them rocketing away from each other in different directions.

This is a racing incident compounded by glitchy collision physics. No penalty.

[scipy]

Lap 118, car #06 ignores blue flag in the last sector and causes #39 to go off track.

[Arrow.]

I dont see how he cannot be penalized for a driving error that caused contact but anyway :shrug:

[Who Cares]

2 Hours 54 minutes... #43 R.v. Buren (Lap 94)... Thx for sending me in the wall while I was letting you past under blue flag... very nice work... :thumb:
You dont own the track all by yourself you know...

[Cawwa]

#22 driver hit the gas a little too hard exiting T2 and had power-on oversteer, turning slightly into the side of the #12 car. From there, LFS's bizarre crash physics took over and sent them rocketing away from each other in different directions.

This is a racing incident compounded by glitchy collision physics. No penalty.

In my opinion this agains the stated rules in General Racing Conduct.
It stated clearly the drivers have to leave room to acount for lag. As we see it car #22 didn't do this. He made a mistake and took us out becourse he didn't leave enough room! Driving on cold tires means you HAVE to take it carefully. The driver was to eager made a mistake and hit our car #11 BECOURSE of he didn't left enough room from the start

[chanoman315]

Never worked here... Goes 1 sec then freezes each time...
i thought it was my conecction... i have the same problem

[r4ptor]

Lap 118, car #06 ignores blue flag in the last sector and causes #39 to go off track.

#06 slides and loses enough speed for #39 to pick them up, but considering that first half of last sector is bendy, it's difficult to let someone pass there without making sudden moves and thereby posing more danger. #39 driver made a mistake and ran into the tires on his own.

[Rudy van Buren]

2 Hours 54 minutes... #43 R.v. Buren (Lap 94)... Thx for sending me in the wall while I was letting you past under blue flag... very nice work... :thumb:
You dont own the track all by yourself you know...

Im sry for it but if you guys already have hard time moving of the race line somthimes you need to make space, i just drove my line and you were slowing down on the right but aperently i didnt watch good enough and you didnt slow down enough to not cross my line...

[Lotesdelere]

According to the tracker #14 D.Williams has done 97 laps of a total of 129 laps which is 75.19% of the total distance.

[R.Kolz]

Gratulations to Spdo, Core1 and CD1. A very good season - well done.

[pearcy_2k7]

Even though because of the time out for JeDi near the end we are now 1 lap behind the CoRe #1 car i would like you to look at an incident at the last turn on the last 2-3 laps as i felt that it wasn't a racing incident and was done on purpose.

[Who Cares]

Im sry for it but if you guys already have hard time moving of the race line somthimes you need to make space, i just drove my line and you were slowing down on the right but aperently i didnt watch good enough and you didnt slow down enough to not cross my line...

Thats ok mate... but I think the rules really says that it is the blueflagged car who should stay on the racing line and slow down... and so I did as you came up on the left side... usually I take the wide line and I was going to do that here as well... but you just kept going out to get the corner right...
But hey... no harm done as we'd sucked this night anyhow... :)

[pearcy_2k7]

Can someone post a replay of the last stint please or a full one. :thumbsup:

[DeadWolfBones]

2 Hours 54 minutes... #43 R.v. Buren (Lap 94)... Thx for sending me in the wall while I was letting you past under blue flag... very nice work... :thumb:
You dont own the track all by yourself you know...

This is being reviewed post-race. Will result in a time penalty if found to be needing one.

[Megin]

Night mare came true. One of our two available drivers for this round has connection issues again. So we start with our less experience driver (I read previous posts - there were some problems in qualifying with us - we work together on it for future races/season, Sorry for that). Anyway our second driver didn't make it so we had to end race too early.

[BenjiMC]

replay: http://files.filefront.com/AS7+race+4H+3R+21Fmpr/;11911215;/fileinfo.html

[RiGun]

This was my first big event and I had to drive for 3 hours as one of the drivers was not available and the other had to go to a must appointment at 20 UTC, that gave us little window time for the 75% rule and we ended just in the line, i did 96 laps and my team mate qualified and did 32 laps, I have to say there's much to learn, i had read the rules but I still was a little lost when the second SC was in the track and spun out just as the green flag went on because i thought that there was already a green flag so i wasn't expecting someone to brake in the middle of the straight line, luckily for me the car i hit wasn't damaged and I didn't loose too much time as another SC was deployed in the same lap :P

[dekojester]

Excellent racing today, folks. :thumb:

It was great providing commentary on the action. Excellent battles to call all race, even if they weren't for position in the standings. Watching some fight the lapped traffic was exciting.

For those who watched the stream, eithe rin part, or in whole, I hope you enjoyed it. I felt much better prepared this time than for Round 7, since I had prep time.

I'll try to lend my hand at announcing some MoE events, if that pleases folks.

Happy racing !

d

[J@tko]

Yeah, the stream was really really laggy. All I got when I was watching, was Timo deciding whether in fact Schnuffel Racing were going to make a pitstop or not, and a frozen picture of the Team TDRT FXR just kinda braking for a corner. Sometimes the picture changed, but to nothing interesting :(

[J@tko]

I wish to pubically apologise to the members of the Danish Racing Team for mispelling their initials in my above post. I received a PM from their leader informing me of my mistake, and I realise the hurt and pain that they received. I understand that nothing may forgive me for my mistake, but please, take some cookies (http://marianina.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/Cookies.jpg)on me as a gift.

[hyntty]

Hmm... for me, whenever I checked, both the hi-res and low res streams worked perfectly. With both winamp and wmp. I didn't check the embedded player at lfsigtc.net though.

For the lag I'm guessing maybe either codec problems, or simply low bandwidth (from the server side because of many viewers). One time I did have to choose an alternative mirror (the asx playlist gives you a choice, in wmp it just doesn't show (!) ) which might suggest that.

[Makao]

MultiBC was good, I've watched on high quality and it was excellent. Stream from IGTC website was like slideshow, unable to watch. Anyway, I'm really impressed with my surname spelling, much better than on LFSWS, gz! :D

About the race: bad luck, dsc and we have to chase. :(

[R.Kolz]

Stats

[Dragonmen]

Thnx for stats! :thumb:

[Lotesdelere]

replay: http://files.filefront.com/AS7+race+4H+3R+21Fmpr/;11911215;/fileinfo.html
Thanks for that :)
BTW have you ever heard about ZIP and RAR ? :p


Congratulations to anyone who took part to this race which I believe was the best race of the season.

And congratulations to the winners of the championship #19-spdo with a special mention to CoRe, TDRT and My3id which have given us some good competition during the whole season. :thumb:

[BenjiMC]

Thanks for that :)
BTW have you ever heard about ZIP and RAR ? :p


Congratulations to anyone who took part to this race which I believe was the best race of the season.

And congratulations to the winners of the championship #19-spdo with a special mention to CoRe, TDRT and My3id which have given us some good competition during the whole season. :thumb:

Ah, sorry about that. It was half 2 and i had been doing stuff for igtc since 18:00 :D.

I'll zip and upload it later today.

[Lotesdelere]

I'll zip and upload it later today.
That will save you time for the upload and also I know there are people with 320k or 512k connections who will appreciate saving time and bandwidth for the download as well :)

And RAR > ZIP for compressing MPR files.

[Cawwa]

How come you admins don't have any answer to my post #54??

To me it's important this get cleared out. The consequencens for will be rather dramatic imo. Specially since you are admins in the coming MoE season as well.

[BenjiMC]

That will save you time for the upload and also I know there are people with 320k or 512k connections who will appreciate saving time and bandwidth for the download as well :)

And RAR > ZIP for compressing MPR files.

ya, i know. but not everyone has RAR software.

[Lotesdelere]

ya, i know. but not everyone has RAR software.
7-Zip (http://www.7-zip.org) is a free and open source archiver which can open RAR files (and many more other formats).

[DeadWolfBones]

How come you admins don't have any answer to my post #54??

To me it's important this get cleared out. The consequencens for will be rather dramatic imo. Specially since you are admins in the coming MoE season as well.

In our opinion (which was, I think, clearly stated in my original post) the incident was accidental, and not due to an intentional move made against the #12 car on the #22 car's part. He would have spun himself, but you guys were "in the way," and we know what happened from there.

We consider this a distinctly different kind of incident from the sort where someone makes a divebomb move, or runs someone off the track by going wide, etc.

It's a racing incident, albeit a one with very unfortunate consequences.

[pearcy_2k7]

Speaking of divebombs, i watched the replay and me and nolan were nearly side by side at the apex but he chose to give me virtually no room and go tighter on the exit, thats how it looked to me anyway, i don't care how far back i was when i did it, the fact is i was next to him at the apex in full control and i was given no room and nudged into the tyres.

EDIT: Just watched it again and i wasn't really close to him as he turned in but as he hit the apex my front was infront of his rear wheel, maybe he didn't see me doing a move, i im not too sure if it was as much his fault after i watched it again but i don't think it was fully my fault.

[BenjiMC]

7-Zip (http://www.7-zip.org) is a free and open source archiver which can open RAR files (and many more other formats).

I know, but meh...

[Locovich]

Protest against car #22 R.Dario by the #12 car.
Time: 3hrs 8mins
Lap: 99
incident occurred on restart exit T2 putting me on my roof ending our race.

[replays coming]

so sorry about that incident... it was a lag situation... i didn´t even realize what happened...... terribly sorry about the consequences.... :(

[Cawwa]

In our opinion (which was, I think, clearly stated in my original post) the incident was accidental, and not due to an intentional move made against the #12 car on the #22 car's part. He would have spun himself, but you guys were "in the way," and we know what happened from there.

We consider this a distinctly different kind of incident from the sort where someone makes a divebomb move, or runs someone off the track by going wide, etc.

It's a racing incident, albeit a one with very unfortunate consequences.

A bit strange in my eyes. Starting with cold tires means you have to be extra carefull. #22 didn't act that carefull and due to that they took us out. You call it racing incident and #22 calls it online lagg but the consequences of it means we flip over. So if we slip on our pedals without purpose of course at #22 in a coming race which take them out we are free to go? A clear Racing Incident?

[Cawwa]

so sorry about that incident... it was a lag situation... i didn´t even realize what happened...... terribly sorry about the consequences.... :(

I understand you never did it with intention to take us out. A bit reckless driving with cold tires is all that it takes.
Your apoligy is of course accepted and we have no hard feelings now any more. We weren't happy when it happened as you might understand, but we have put it behind us, between us that is ... :thumb:

[BenjiMC]

I don't see the problem. #22 was about as far wide as he could be, your car was on the inside attempting a pass. It did cost you a finish BUT it was a racing incident non the less. There was no malicous conduct, and it was a simple driving error, it wasn't #22 dive bombing you.

[Cawwa]

Sorry Benji, I never realised divebombing was the only thing the you get penalty for. Now that I know that I know how to drive from now on.

[BenjiMC]

Sorry Benji, I never realised divebombing was the only thing the you get penalty for. Now that I know that I know how to drive from now on.

"There was no malicous conduct" dive bombing was an example. Taking my words so literally shows immaturity tbh.

[Locovich]

I understand you never did it with intention to take us out. A bit reckless driving with cold tires is all that it takes.
Your apoligy is of course accepted and we have no hard feelings now any more. We weren't happy when it happened as you might understand, but we have put it behind us, between us that is ... :thumb:

Thanks for accepting my apologise :thumb:, but let me clarify what happen (well, is not really clear but you´ll see).
Here is a video of "MY" mpr to show the way i drove, because from another one lag may show things different.
http://es.tinypic.com/player.php?v=5xoo3q&s=4
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/149230366/Pel_cula_0004.wmv
..........
You can see that when i have the car straight it suddenly "slides" because of lag of a car near (you know that the way it behaves is not a driving mistake). This "slide" make me hit you and let you on your roof... I think i was not able to prevent or avoid it... lag situations just happen....:(
again... i´m terribly sorry... :(

[Cawwa]

"There was no malicous conduct" dive bombing was an example. Taking my words so literally shows immaturity tbh.

That's the problem Benji, you see it in a very narrow way. Don't you see the big picture here? Or don't you want to see it?
I just point out the stupidness in what you answer me. You say if a driver makes an error it's ok to hit others. You don't see any problem in this?

[Cawwa]

Thanks for accepting my apologise :thumb:, but let me clarify what happen (well, is not really clear but you´ll see).
Here is a video of "MY" mpr to show the way i drove, because from another one lag may show things different.
http://es.tinypic.com/player.php?v=5xoo3q&s=4
or
http://rapidshare.com/files/149230366/Pel_cula_0004.wmv
..........
You can see that when i have the car straight it suddenly "slides" because of lag of a car near (you know that the way it behaves is not a driving mistake). This "slide" make me hit you and let you on your roof... I think i was not able to prevent or avoid it... lag situations just happen....:(
again... i´m terribly sorry... :(

Yes I saw that video. As I see it you had a minor slide which made you hit Marques. That little touch made you out of the line and you turned the wheel a little to much and slided again into our #12 car. This is of course not intentional, but imo you loose control over your car and hit Marques minor and ours harder. After a restart on cold tires you have to slow down as much as needed to control your car.
As you obvisly didn't you violeted section H where it's stated how to drive in a safe way.
Of course this is my opinion and I'm worried the admins don't see this way. That's why I post this from the first place.

But you don't have to worrie, of course your apoligy is accepted and no hard feelings from us to you. We all do mistakes and belive me, none of them are made by purpose!

[rcpilot]

Yes I saw that video. As I see it you had a minor slide which made you hit Marques. That little touch made you out of the line and you turned the wheel a little to much and slided again into our #12 car. This is of course not intentional, but imo you loose control over your car and hit Marques minor and ours harder. After a restart on cold tires you have to slow down as much as needed to control your car.
As you obvisly didn't you violeted section H where it's stated how to drive in a safe way.
Of course this is my opinion and I'm worried the admins don't see this way. That's why I post this from the first place.

But you don't have to worrie, of course your apoligy is accepted and no hard feelings from us to you. We all do mistakes and belive me, none of them are made by purpose!
I didn't go after the lapped guy who spun and took me out pretty much destroying our race at Westhill (and spdo didn't go after our #2 car here after they slipped up and took spdo out in the process as I was trying to get around). Once someone makes a mistake, as long as they're out of control, there's not much they can do about it. Now, if they were doing something utterly stupid and happened to run into you because they tried to brake way too late/went well off track trying to get around you and slipped up there'd be a case here. As it is, all I see is a bit of bad luck and a racing incident.

</my two cents>

[joshdifabio]

And anyway, on the video posted by Locovich it does seem that he was spun by a lag-touch, doesn't it?

[DeadWolfBones]

It does look that way, yeah.

[dktoben]

Questions about round 8:

1. Why wasn´t the lagging car forced to make a driver change after 2 lag accidents caused by it plus a third team complaining about that it´s hard to follow/approach this lagging car?

Q. MISCELLANEOUS

3) In situations of extreme lag, marshals will ask a lagging driver and/or his team to fix the problem. From the time of notification, the team has three laps to fix the situation or make a driver change. After the three laps have expired, if the problem is not fixed the car will no longer be scored. If the lag persists, the driver will be kicked for the safety of the other teams.


The appology about this lag accident by this racer is fully accepted. No bad feelings and nothing they could have done to prevent these accididents.
The not taking action by the admins acc. to the rules is not accptable.
The damage to the TDRT car caused by this accident made the car unsteerable and the following pitstop with damage repair once more left us behind on a very last race position. The IGTC admins made a team a huge present - the prob. final 3rd overall position IGTC 2008.

2. Had the pitlane been closed acc. to the rules at any time this round? If not, what was the reason not to do it ?

Just my thoughts about this final IGTC round.

[DeadWolfBones]

These are good questions. I'll answer them as honestly and straightforwardly as possible.

Questions about round 8:

1. Why wasn´t the lagging car forced to make a driver change after 2 lag accidents caused by it plus a third team complaining about that it´s hard to follow/approach this lagging car?

Q. MISCELLANEOUS

3) In situations of extreme lag, marshals will ask a lagging driver and/or his team to fix the problem. From the time of notification, the team has three laps to fix the situation or make a driver change. After the three laps have expired, if the problem is not fixed the car will no longer be scored. If the lag persists, the driver will be kicked for the safety of the other teams.


The appology about this lag accident by this racer is fully accepted. No bad feelings and nothing they could have done to prevent these accididents.
The not taking action by the admins acc. to the rules is not accptable.
The damage to the TDRT car caused by this accident made the car unsteerable and the following pitstop with damage repair once more left us behind on a very last race position. The IGTC admins made a team a huge present - the prob. final 3rd overall position IGTC 2008.

There were two instances of lagging cars in this race. I know you're referring to the #15.

The honest answer here is that we didn't remember this rule in the heat of the moment.

When we noticed the lag (which was after both accidents had occurred), we immediately tried to contact the team representative (Lotesdelere). We got the message to him. Here's an IRC transcript:

[13:37] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> lotes... #15's lag caused two incidents... can you ask him to check his connection if at all possible while driving?
[13:37] <+Lotesdelere> lag?
[13:37] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> Yes.
[13:37] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> Looks ok at the moment.
[13:37] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> But there were two incidents, lap 3 and lap 4, with #5 and #4 respectively.
[13:43] <+Lotesdelere> he's going to do his best while driving
[13:43] <+Lotesdelere> he's now aware of the problem tho
[13:46] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> thanks lotes

...a few minutes pass...

[13:52] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> lotes, are you guys planning a driver change this pitstop?
[13:52] <+Lotesdelere> why should i tell u? :p
[13:52] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> because you need to make one.
[13:52] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> lag-wise
[13:52] <+Lotesdelere> hm
[13:52] <+Lotesdelere> wait a min
[13:52] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> k
[13:53] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> I'm watching it and it's pretty scary
[13:53] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> keeps veering off-track and reappearing
[13:56] <+Lotesdelere> ok we gonna switch driver
[13:56] <@CoRe|DWBatHome> thanks.

A few minutes later they made the driver change. This took about 20 minutes, which is clearly longer than 3 laps, so we did not act by the letter of the rule. We didn't intentionally dismiss it, we simply forgot it. This is our fault, and we apologize.

What we did do was do our best to get the situation cleared up on the fly, among the other things we were dealing with.

2. Had the pitlane been closed acc. to the rules at any time this round? If not, what was the reason not to do it ?

No, it was not. This, again, is due to it slipping my mind amidst all of the other stuff going on (we really need double the marshals that we had this season). If it makes you feel any better, I'm relatively sure that it wouldn't have changed anything if it had been closed/opened according to plan. During this race's SC periods the field got bunched up quite well.