Anyone drive like they do here on the street?

[theblackrabbi]

I live in Los Angeles, and every time I go out to drive I always end up showing off on how great a driver I am. It's the same thing I find driving in real life then it is here. Does anyone else find that they race allot of other people when they drive, or can they keep that on the track? I can't stop racing in real life, or yeah I'm hooked on and off the track.....I drive a 97 altima stick, and a toyota matrix, so the stuff kicks ass like the xrg. I have also been doing allot of testing around where I live, and I can say this game is the closest to the real thing as they come. Side note: I find racing r1-r3 on the xrg to be more like driving real life, but that's the me.

[Ball Bearing Turbo]

Are you being serious?

[Roadie]

Rofl!!!! you have to be kidding right? llololol

[theblackrabbi]

Actually yeah I am, is something wrong with wanting to know how other people drive in real life. I just wanna know if anyone drives as well as they do here, as they do on the road....And if they though if the game improved their real driving abilities..

[Roadie]

sry, but I was laughing at this... "and every time I go out to drive I always end up showing off on how great a driver I am."

[theblackrabbi]

sry, but I was laughing at this... "and every time I go out to drive I always end up showing off on how great a driver I am."yeah i always show the a*&%*holes that cut me off or try and race, I never let them win. I was just going 70+mph in a 40 zone cause the guy wanted to race. How about this....How many tickets have you gotten? I have about 7 :)

[Roadie]

lol. and that makes you a good driver?

[B2B@300]

I have 0 demerit points and can't remember the last time I was pulled over :D
Your goals on a public road should be rather different to those on a track :scratchch
I.e. on public roads it should be to stay as far within the limits of the car as resonably possible to allow for emergency or unexpected cercumstances, in racing it is to be as close as you can to the limit at all times while still remaining in control of the car and allowing for safty of your fellow racers (which still doesn't indicate reckless abandon) :pillepall

But having said that many of the skills you learn in racing aid in driving safely :thumb: i.e. thresshold breaking, self control, reflexes, car control in emergency situations, etc...

But hey I'm 39 and I'm over my hoon phase in life :razz: had you asked me the same question when I was 20 the answer would be a little different :x

Also note that road cars have rather inferiour safty features compared to a race car, not to mention public roads aren't known for there gravel traps and safty barriers :p

[Racer Y]

I only drive as good in real life as I do in LFS after I've had a few drinks.....
Please..... If LFS WAS real, I'd a been dead about 30 wrecks ago. Maybe
300 wrecks ago.
Uh you live in L.A. Rabbi? was that you that put a drive thru entrance in that clinic?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/3635958.html

[SamH]

The closest I've got to driving in the same way on LFS as in real life is flashing oncoming traffic when trying to change down and washing my windscreen when I've tried to change up.

I have applied some elements of what I've learned in LFS to my RL driving, but if anything it's slowed me down rather than speeded me up. Most of the knowledge exchange seems to be in applying the caution I drive with in RL to races, invariably resulting in me getting ahead while the other guy's chewing virtual canvas in the tyre wall.

I don't really think that there is much overlap in real life driving and LFS. The two scenarios (apart from the obvious reality matter) are fundamentally separated. In LFS the spectators are well separated from the action, but in real life they're on the "track" and very much potential victims of any stupidity I might involve myself in.

I've been driving 20 years now, and never had a ticket either, and the cops where I live aren't blind. I just have never given them reason to believe that they were looking at a dangerous idiot, who thought the road was a race track, when I drive by.

[FPVaaron]

I have a serious road rage problem on the motorbike. And I feel the need to race every P plater I see. If the road ahead is blocked I'll just ride up onto the footpath and over some ones front lawn to get around. Or if I'm trail riding beside a road and I see a car I'll sit there and play with it try get it to race me.

[ORION]

Do you know why the devs make LFS?
Because you cant race on open roads or even in the city, and most ppl in here dont have the money to race in real life on a race track.

[keiran]

tbh I can't understand the people who 'race' on public roads. All of the ones speeding and crashing between the ages of 17-25 are the reason for my insurance knocking on a £1000 for a 1.2 97 Clio. I also have to pay an excess of £750. The car didn't cost much more

Keiran

[Scirocco]

I drive a 97 altima stick, and a toyota matrix, so the stuff kicks ass like the xrg.
There's only one problem. Your 2 cars should be about as slow as the xrg.

yeah i always show the a*&%*holes that cut me off or try and race, I never let them win. I was just going 70+mph in a 40 zone cause the guy wanted to race. How about this....How many tickets have you gotten? I have about 7
Racing on public streets? That doesn't make you a good driver or very smart. Also, having 7 tickets certainly doesn't show how you could possibly be a good driver....

[Vain]

I'm perfectly fine with driving quick on public roads, but "fast" driving and racing is for racecars and racetracks.
Did anyone just say Nordschleife? ;)

Vain

[whitey6272]

shit thread

[Vain]

A marvelous comment! Perfect in sense and argumentation. Well backed up with sources and expressed with an exclusive selection of clear and understandable sentences!
Do I smell a Pulitzer-price?

Vain

[the_angry_angel]

tbh I can't understand the people who 'race' on public roads. All of the ones speeding and crashing between the ages of 17-25 are the reason for my insurance knocking on a £1000 for a 1.2 97 Clio. I also have to pay an excess of £750. The car didn't cost much more

KeiranOff Topic: Did you checkout Admiral? I'm just a tad over £1000 for my 1.4 97 clio, but with a much much lower excess.

On topic: I think I have to agree with most people here, racing in real life, as you would in LFS is unacceptable.

[whitey6272]

Mate, i could open a whole tin off beans on this thread and make you feel about as big as my dogs left testicle, but its not worth my time and effort, so ... shit thread..

[danowat]

I live in Los Angeles, and every time I go out to drive I always end up showing off on how great a driver I am. It's the same thing I find driving in real life then it is here. Does anyone else find that they race allot of other people when they drive, or can they keep that on the track? I can't stop racing in real life, or yeah I'm hooked on and off the track.....I drive a 97 altima stick, and a toyota matrix, so the stuff kicks ass like the xrg. I have also been doing allot of testing around where I live, and I can say this game is the closest to the real thing as they come. Side note: I find racing r1-r3 on the xrg to be more like driving real life, but that's the me.

Idiot :pillepall

[whitey6272]

Agreed

[XCNuse]

yeah i always show the a*&%*holes that cut me off or try and race, I never let them win. I was just going 70+mph in a 40 zone cause the guy wanted to race. How about this....How many tickets have you gotten? I have about 7 :)
..dude.. that just makes you a serious retard and an extremely dangerous person to be around on the road... you scare me :x

i suggest you stop before you kill someone or even your own self, and loose all your friends and family
idiots these days.. have no idea what they're up against :pillepall

(if you dont know where im going with, i mean mother nature... "the unpredictable" in other words)

[TheRealEddie]

I always find it somwhat comical (and scary) when people talk about "racing on the street". If you want to race, take it to the track.

Have you tried autocrossing? Thats a good test of how good a driver you are (that and seeing how well you can assemble a sea of orange cones into a racing circuit).

Or: I'm not sure what track is close to LA but I'm sure there has to be plenty. I've seen tracks with open track days where street cars (no roll cage) can do trial trials.

Or: Give karting a shot. THe initial investment can be as little as $2000 for a used setup (not little if you are broke but compared with other forms of "real" racing thats dirt cheap)

In any case, don't race on the street. You could very well wind up killing somone.

[keiran]

Off Topic: Did you checkout Admiral? I'm just a tad over £1000 for my 1.4 97 clio, but with a much much lower excess.

Thanks for the information I'll have to check them out :D

Keiran

[mrodgers]

How old are you? You will eventually grow up and understand. But you said you are in LA!!!!! Now, when I was 20, sure I did my fair share of driving fast, racing my buddies, etc. Back then I didn't have racing sims to take it to. BUT, I also live way out in the middle of nowhere. In fact, even at a high rate of speed, it still would take us almost an hour just to reach the middle of nowhere. We are lucky to see a handful of cars in a 40 mile stretch. Of course, I am now 33 with a wife and 2 lovely daughters, a house payment, car payment, no longer have a car capable of high speed, and responsiblilities. If you make it through to an older age driving like that in LA with all the traffic, then you will realize how stupid you were. I still drive "fast", but "fast" is now considerably slower than what "fast" was in the younger days.

Sure my buds and I would race out on the road, out in the middle of nowhere where there wasn't any traffic. But we drove fast together and didn't, as you say, "every time I go out to drive I always end up showing off on how great a driver I am." or "race allot of other people when they drive". When my buddies and I got together, it wasn't "racing" as in door to door, setting up a pass coming off the exit, etc. It was more just following each other as we drove fast. Again, this was out in the boonies where there isn't any traffic. There is a big difference in "racing" and driving "fast" out in public. I have no problem with people driving fast out on the roads, driving fast isn't what causes accidents, at least out where I live where there's no traffic. It's the idiots that drive like this guy says, enticing other's to truely race and "showing off" how good of a driver they are when a few miles down the road they show off actually how unskilled of a driver they are when their car is wrapped around a tree or something.

Like I said, back then we didn't have PC racing sims to take it out on. Unfortunately, now we do and some people think, "I can do it on the PC, I can do it on the road", which isn't the case.

[whitey6272]

I am insured on a saxo VTS at 18 with elephant they love young drivers. Everyone else told me i had to be 21 for that type of car.

It is only 3rdparty fire and theft, on my dads name though, still £1300 for 10 months..

[spankmeyer]

To thread starter:
I have a nice URL for you where you can see plenty of street race end results if you are interested. That is, unless you don't want to see pictures of dead and mutilated human beings who thought racing on the streets was cool.

[Boris Lozac]

To thread starter:
I have a nice URL for you where you can see plenty of street race end results if you are interested. That is, unless you don't want to see pictures of dead and mutilated human beings who thought racing on the streets was cool.

That would be a good idea..

[YUGO45]

I think everyone of us had such a stage. The sence of "freedom" when you get your licence is for some like theys think they can drive better and faster than pro´s.

The only difrence is some aknowledge the risk and drive on their own on public roads where there is no trafic and the others never grow up thinking they know better.

I personally love driving fast. But, always calculating that no one is near me, neither in the car nor on the road. Thank god for german autobahns :D .

If your thinking of "not growing" up, take everyones sugestion and do it on the track. Its more safer for you and for everybody else. Buy yourself a used race car. Depends which one but i found some between 4000-8000 € (not profesional, but with cage and everything you need to be fast and safe) :thumb:

[LRB_Aly]

Yep Strobe is right. Many people have a wild stage when they get their license.
Today for me it is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide: On public roads I'm driving extremly defensif but as soon as I have the possibility to take the car on a closed circuit, or when I'm driving on Karts I push on the limit.
But on public roads I see no sense in risking the life of others just because I think that I'm a great driver.

[theblackrabbi]

Yep Strobe is right. Many people have a wild stage when they get their license.
Today for me it is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide: On public roads I'm driving extremly defensif but as soon as I have the possibility to take the car on a closed circuit, or when I'm driving on Karts I push on the limit.
But on public roads I see no sense in risking the life of others just because I think that I'm a great driver.I'm not saying drive so fast you can kill yourself, but I can say I know my limits more then anyone else, and when I go out to drive that's just how I do it. I don't drive super fast so I undanger everyone, but I just think it's fun, and I'm not the only one out here, after all I am in the capitol for street racing, so you wouldn't believe all the people that are willing to drive fast around here. Am I crazy saying I have a need for speed off the street too? I'm not saying I race full out on the street or I would be dead, but I just can't seem to keep it under the limit. And all I'm saying is that I know how to handle a car much better after this. I'm not risking life and limb, just can't stand driving like a stiff.

[Doorman]

My wife was recently knocked off her bike by a motorcyclist that 'owned' a corner. Make no mistake, this guy was 'racing', not with anyone else just against himself, on a nice quiet country road! She was closer to being killed by that asshole than I would want anyone to be. This happened in August last year and has still not made a complete recovery. So don't talk like a pratt! The roads are for getting from A to B on, not for sport. Take your racing to a place that's designated for motor sport. You've no idea the heartache idiots like you cause. Don't dare to tell me you haven't hit anyone because, carry on as you are and it's only a matter of time.

[mrodgers]

I ask again, how old are you? I am not one to believe "I am such a better skilled driver because of racing games" like I've read of opinions before. If you are young, then you do not have the experience that us older folks have, like I do not have some of the same experience as say someone in their 40's. If you think that racing on a PC will gain you experience in driving a real car, you are mistaken. It may help later when you gain real life experience, in understanding the physics involved with how a vehicle reacts, but if you have never experienced what it feels like in real life for the tail to kick around in an oversteer situation, or a 4 wheel slide, then you will be in for a big surprise when it does happen. On the PC, you have the feel in the wheel only with FF and NO feel in the brake pedal. You also have no fear of hurt or death on the PC. In real life, you feel it in your body in g-forces and will most likely slam the brake pedal in fear or surprise, causing the vehicle to move further out of your control. If you've never experienced an "emergency" situation, then you don't know how you WILL react even if you can sit there and say, theoretically, you know how you SHOULD react.

[keiran]

I think the TV ads should show some of the horrible scenes they show us at school. You'd think twice before racing on public roads if you see the things I've been showen. Even if you don't hurt anyone else but you kill yourself you've still left the police, fire brigade and ambulance crew an awful site.

If you thinking driving within speed limits is like a 'stiff' then you shouldn't be on the road. Okay I'm not saying I'm strict to the speed limit but I'll never be doing much more than 65-70 and I certinaly don't try push the car to the limit round corners. Far to many things can happen on the public roads. I'd rather keep my conscience clean and not have the possibily of having killed someone because of idiotic driving. I keep my racing for the track.

I like the way you say you like to show of your great driving. If you were a great driver you'd be on a racing circuit not being a wannabe Schumacher.

Bet you weren't excpecting these sort of responses ;)

Keiran

[XCNuse]

doesnt matter how fast you go theblackrabbi, i've heard several reports of people dieing from running into trees under 20 mph
any speed over 10 mph is life threatening, actually.. i take that back, getting INTO a car is life threatening, just do the math.

think about it: lets take a common car, say a 2002 honda civic Si
http://sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0201scc_civicsi01_zoom.jpg

a fun little car, yes indeedy

now whats the weight of this car? well.. average, roughly 2744 for a car of that size
now lets say your driving around at 10 mph.. thats not to fast is it? thats under half the speed you go in neighborhoods (here atleast)

now lets say something happens and using your 'defensive menouvering' you escape a wreck but theres a tree infront of you

lets do the math when you hit that tree:
2744 lbs car X 10 mph = 27440 lbsmph of momentum comming to a halt in less than half a second

i dont know any knowledge about gforces and what all that would do, but you wont just 'walk away' from any small wreck like that, heres a deadly example i found in wikipedia:

Involuntarily: Formula One race car driver David Purley sustained 179.8 g in 1977 when he decelerated from 107 mph (172 km/h) to 0 in a distance of 26 inches (66 cm) after his throttle got stuck wide open and he hit a wall.
Luckily he lived

and as it says in anywhere about driving; driving is a privilege not a right

@mrodgers; it says hes 25 in his profile

[BrandonAGr]

Is theblackrabbi really being serious? If so it's people like him that really make the roads a lot more dangerous to be on. Few things can be as dangerous as a poser thinking they are the shit and know what they are doing when they are really just being reckless.

[Hyperactive]

This must be some kind of bait and the hook is... well... inside someone :)

I dunno know. I just can't understand why I should drive like racing on public roads. Though the best part is that "nature takes care of these angels" but the bad thing is that it is mostly some outsider who loses his legs or life in the process.

You don't want to destroy other people's lives just because you want to have some fun. OR do you?

How about let spankmayer post that URL and let's lock this thread...?

[BuddhaBing]

If I drove in LFS the same way I drive on the street it would take me about 4 minutes to do a lap around Blackwood.

[Scirocco]

lets do the math when you hit that tree:
2744 lbs car X 10 mph = 27440 lbsmph of momentum comming to a halt in less than half a second

i dont know any knowledge about gforces and what all that would do, but you wont just 'walk away' from any small wreck like that, heres a deadly example i found in wikipedia:
C'mon, at least try to be realistic here and use some common sense. You say someone won't walk away from a 10mph impact??? Yeah, maybe if you hit a knife sticking out of your dash. Don't forget about the added safety of items such as bumpers, crush zones, aibags (although they probably wouldn't go off) etc etc. As an example, I've run into solid objects going at least that fast, gotten up and continued to move on.

Edit: All that momentum coming to a stop will affect the damage to the car and tree, not the driver.

[AlfaLover]

Hello,

My version: I love cars , before i can remember, and i love drive, and drive fast sometimes(most times i go alone), but the first thing i know is a am a bad driver, include inside lfs, the less gap with a arreche wr(my reference) is 2,5 seconds.

In Real Life:

When i drive fast on a road ( i think is veeery bored and nosense drive fast in a autobahn , anyone can drive fast there, very strange a drive faster than 140 - 150 km/h ( limit 120 km/h) , here in spain if a speed camera take you a photo a more than 180km/h , you can lost your driving licence.).

I love take hard roads with close turns and try go fast, always on mi side , and not disturbing and no put other drivers in danger, always try to keep a reserve of grip (the grip an average driver can know).

Sometime i try a manouver like lfs , and ROOCKS!! is like XFG (i usually drive an alfa romeo 147 1.6 120 bhp ) i have VDC(ESP like electronic device) and i can say that do a lot, i know when it actuate. , but i know some people here in my country that they thinks is because he knows drive very well..¬¬'.

[JJ72]

First off,I have to say that there is indeed a difference between legal speed limit and a person's own limit, and if someone is fully capable in staying in his own limit he will be fine,however this theory on public road has two fatal flaw:

1.There isn't only one driver on the road,and even if someone is fully capable of controlling his own car at his own pace, he won't be able to predict the reaction of other drivers or pedestrians. And since the rest of the world is moving at a much slower pace no one would really be always alerted of a outstandingly fast car approaching and react sensitively.

2.If you had been to track days,or you have been doing some sort of racing, you will understand that staying 70% within limit and staying 95% within the limit is two different world. Race drivers gain their experience by push near or sometimes over the limit, which can't avoid resulting in spin and crashes, however they are able to learn from those mistakes simply because they live through these. I know that you does benefit some way driving fast on street and paying attention to your car's dynamics, but compare to the level of understanding and car control the race driver has it is a tip of an iceberg, and I personally knowing quite some individuals on both end of the car scene my experience tells me that those who actually learn their skill from a race track is miles ahead of those who does it on street, because they have the proper equipment and hence have the consistency in understanding both their and their car's capability, and most importantly - they accept the fact that there are situation that no human can save and has respect to the danger of driving, such humbleness and guts to decline the urge of being a hero and "greatest driver on the road" is something most road wannabies are lacking, and no matter how good your skill is you can't make up for that mentality.

[AlfaLover]

First off,I have to say that there is indeed a difference between legal speed limit and a person's own limit, and if someone is fully capable in staying in his own limit he will be fine,however this theory on public road has two fatal flaw:

1.There isn't only one driver on the road,and even if someone is fully capable of controlling his own car at his own pace, he won't be able to predict the reaction of other drivers or pedestrians. And since the rest of the world is moving at a much slower pace no one would really be always alerted of a outstandingly fast car approaching and react sensitively.

2.If you had been to track days,or you have been doing some sort of racing, you will understand that staying 70% within limit and staying 95% within the limit is two different world. Race drivers gain their experience by push near or sometimes over the limit, which can't avoid resulting in spin and crashes, however they are able to learn from those mistakes simply because they live through these. I know that you does benefit some way driving fast on street and paying attention to your car's dynamics, but compare to the level of understanding and car control the race driver has it is a tip of an iceberg, and I personally knowing quite some individuals on both end of the car scene my experience tells me that those who actually learn their skill from a race track is miles ahead of those who does it on street, because they have the proper equipment and hence have the consistency in understanding both their and their car's capability, and most importantly - they accept the fact that there are situation that no human can save and has respect to the danger of driving, such humbleness and guts to decline the urge of being a hero and "greatest driver on the road" is something most road wannabies are lacking, and no matter how good your skill is you can't make up for that mentality.

I talk about the limits, to indicate that drive fast at autobahn for mi don't have sense , i see people crossing autobahn from left to right a more than 160km/h between trucks and other cars, this type of driving is crazy.

the first we have to have is respect with other drivers.

I agree, me sense about limit of me or my car isn't comparable with a race driver but... :D i love drive roads.

I am Currently programming a software for gps , that i can rec a path , and the idea is when i pass the next time for the same path ... it chronometer my time ... :P yes :pillepall

[joshdifabio]

doesnt matter how fast you go theblackrabbi, i've heard several reports of people dieing from running into trees under 20 mph
any speed over 10 mph is life threatening, actually.. i take that back, getting INTO a car is life threatening, just do the math.

think about it: lets take a common car, say a 2002 honda civic Si
http://sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0201scc_civicsi01_zoom.jpg

a fun little car, yes indeedy

now whats the weight of this car? well.. average, roughly 2744 for a car of that size
now lets say your driving around at 10 mph.. thats not to fast is it? thats under half the speed you go in neighborhoods (here atleast)

now lets say something happens and using your 'defensive menouvering' you escape a wreck but theres a tree infront of you

lets do the math when you hit that tree:
2744 lbs car X 10 mph = 27440 lbsmph of momentum comming to a halt in less than half a second

i dont know any knowledge about gforces and what all that would do, but you wont just 'walk away' from any small wreck like that, heres a deadly example i found in wikipedia:


Luckily he lived

and as it says in anywhere about driving; driving is a privilege not a right

@mrodgers; it says hes 25 in his profile
lol wtf?? If you crash in a car at 10mph the momentum of the car isn't going to be acting on you its only your momentum, and it wouldn't even give you wiplash. And these people that have died having hit trees at less than 20mph?? They must have had heart attacks or something cause that's not gonna kill a person. And don't try and say if a car hit a person at 10mph that would kill them because it quite blatantly wouldn't. Do you even read what you write before you post?

[XCNuse]

..ok.. anyone ever felt an airbag go off.. thats pretty painful lol

(i was only being realistic, but either way, moving at only 20 mph can do some serious damage to a car)

and no.. hitting someone at 10 mph wouldnt kill them; it would only RUIN their life and would most likely never be able to walk again

[DmcL]

i dont have a rwd car with "the stig" on my number plates for nowt ya know ;)

saying that i know when to and when not to. in my years of driving/assclowning on the roads ive only even been caught once doing something silly... and i got let off (...just). if you must then atleast make sure possible surprises are at a minimum and no one is around.

another thing to think about besides someone pulling out on you, tyre blowing at high speed, hydroplaning, other people losing it, animals running out and all that fun stuff.. theres also the small fact that if you constantly rag your car your going to have to repair your car more often. ive had my dohc sierra for about half a year. in that time ive popped the engine twice, first i rebuilt it, second the bottom end went so now moving on to another dohc before the knock turns into a rod punching a hole in my block. last but not least.. if your out acting like gods gift to the automobile and you crash infront of all the petrolheads how big of a numpty would you look like then? been there done that, not fun and usually not cheap. remember there is no pit button in real life :p

[joshdifabio]

..ok.. anyone ever felt an airbag go off.. thats pretty painful lol

(i was only being realistic, but either way, moving at only 20 mph can do some serious damage to a car)

and no.. hitting someone at 10 mph wouldnt kill them; it would only RUIN their life and would most likely never be able to walk again
Wrong. It is very rare that someone is seriously injured being hit at 20mph or less, someone would be incredibly unlucky if they couldn't walk again after being hit at 10mph. It is jogging speed, it really isn't very fast at all.

[Gabkicks]

some may call the accidents caused by street racer's just natural selection, but what about the innocent people that the streetracers crash into?. recently someone i talk to once in a while was hit by a streetracer. the street racer's paralyzed and my buddie's knee is totally f%cked up. Street racing is stupid. I dont care if you risk your own life, dont risk the lives of others.

ironicly my buddy is a former streetracer himself. but even before the accident he became against street racing.

all these idiot Fast and Furious/ initial d wannabe kids are ruining it for the people who actually "know what they're doing"

[BrandonAGr]

Use some common sense, the only way a 10mph crash into a tree would kill or seriously injure you would be if you strapped yourself onto the bumber of the car before you hit the tree. 10mph is not that fast, you can run that speed(maybe not for very long)
The problem with crashes is that kinetic energy is equal to mass times velocity squared, so a crash going 60mph is way worse than one at 15mph, four times the speed, sixteen times the amount of energy that must be dissappated somehow for you to come to a stop.

[theblackrabbi]

Use some common sense, the only way a 10mph crash into a tree would kill or seriously injure you would be if you strapped yourself onto the bumber of the car before you hit the tree. 10mph is not that fast, you can run that speed(maybe not for very long)
The problem with crashes is that kinetic energy is equal to mass times velocity squared, so a crash going 60mph is way worse than one at 15mph, four times the speed, sixteen times the amount of energy that must be dissappated somehow for you to come to a stop.You guys are tripping hard. All I wanted to ask is if anyone enjoyed driving as much as they do here. Sorry but I'm not an old guy yet, and I drive with a heavy foot all the time. Haven't been in any accedents, just been the one to always avoid them. You guys don't ahve to get all pissy like I'm saying take a ferrari out at 150 on street roads, I'm not crazy, I never would put my life at risk, I save that for the track, nowhere else. Does anyone understand my question now????? I drive as fast as I can and no faster. Allot of A#*$holes on the road drive fast but have no idea what they are doing. All they know about driving is when they were on bumper cars as kids, I'm not like that and never will be. I just find a thrill out of driving fast, gee somebody on this game wanting to do that!!!! And you know who I blame???? These games, cause they are the best thing in the world, and when I get into my real life car, it's just as exciting to me....you ever see how motercycles drive? How they drive fast and go around cars without causing trouble, well that's how I drive :) Sorry if people are too chicken to live a little in real life.

[XCNuse]

ENJOY?!

who the hell enjoys running around streets way over the posted speed limits?!?

btw yes i know about how motorcyclists drive.. and you cant drive a car like a motorcycle

dude.. you need to go see a psychiatrist or something if you enjoy endangering hundreds or even thousands of peoples lives every day

oh btw, you cant blame the game makers either; it was your decision in the first place to go outside and be an idiot in the first place

[Boris Lozac]

well that's how I drive :) Sorry if people are too chicken to live a little in real life.

:pillepall :pillepall Too chicken to live a litlle in real life?? Yes, people prefer to live, not to be killed by some idiot who drives like in the games!!!
My friend from elementary school got hit by some stupid driver, and broke both of his legs... He can now barely walk, but he is not the person that he used to be, he got seriuos brain injuries, and he no longer can speek properly, nor live properly, he is like a plant now, and barely understands what is going on around him, if you now what i mean.. He was one of the best basketball players in school, and he wanted to become a famous player, and had a very bright future, being also one of the best students in school. His twin brother become a drug addict after that, and he also is no longer the same person, he's a junkie now and a punk, because he couldn't take what happened to his brother.. So you want to be one of those persons, that can ruin other people's lifes, or kill them??? Please, put yourself together, and put some common sense in that head, before you do something stupid!!!!!!!!

[Gabkicks]

its not about having balls or anything. its just showing disrespect to other people on the road. Show your guts and skill with your lap times on the track.

[theblackrabbi]

its not about having balls or anything. its just showing disrespect to other people on the road. Show your guts and skill with your lap times on the track.As I said I just like to have fun on the road, and yes I do drive as well as any motorcyle. Maybe I need help in the head for that :) You guys take everything the wrong way.

[XCNuse]

how is it being taken the wrong way lol? you asked if anyone drives like a race car driver on the road.. what else would you expect.. a yes? lol i hope not

[Kajojek(PL)]

My brothers friend (hes 20) was driving like idiot until he almost killed himself and other friend. He was going about 100 km and tried to pass other car on the mountain, at night, on a turn, with double line. Guess what, a car came out of different direction. He was lucky because he had time to brake. My brother said hes not driving like idiot after that but im not sure. I drove with him once and it was really exciting but not worth it. By the way that friend that was driving with him is one of the best students in city where I lived in Poland. He got to one of the best colleges in Poland. It is unbielevable that he could get his whole future ruined by that idiot.

[B2B@300]

It's not just your skill you have to think about :scratchch if you race others you are responsible for their actions too :x and even if you never crash it could be the other guy your racing that takes out the bus shelter and slams into the power pole killing himself instantly... (happened here just this week)

Ok so your a better driver than most of the looses on the street, if you know that why do you have to prove it? :thumb:

[Hallen]

A couple of points

1) You are not nearly as good a driver as you think you are. After you take some performance driving schools with real instructors, then maybe you can say you are getting to be good. Just because you think you are good because you drive more recklessly than everybody else only proves that you have no common sense, it does not prove that you are a good driver.

2) No matter how good you are, no matter how much you pay attention, there are cases where you will never be good enough to avoid. You are NOT in control of everybody else on the road, you CAN'T see through buildings and see that other car about to pull out, you CAN'T predict what those other idiots on the road are going to do. They only reason that you think this way is it has not caught up with you yet. But it will. Don't be stupid. The street is no place to race. It is no place to find out what the limits of your skill and your car really are.

Join the SCCA or a car club. Go to driving schools, track days, auto cross, and maybe even club racing if you really have the need. Then you will find out just how good your really are. If you live long enough, you will feel really stupid and realize you were lucky to stay alive doing what you are doing now and thinking what you are thinking now.

Grow up before you lose the chance to grow up.

[BrandonAGr]

...

:thumbsup3 Well said.

[theblackrabbi]

Gee all I was asking was if people liked to drive fast in real life. I see people everyday where I live with race-type cars, and I always find somebody that wants to drive a little faster, or oh my GOD-race! Yes there are people out there that like having fun like that while driving, and there are certian of us that enjoy it more then anything when driving. I'm not drifting around the streets, and I'm not driving faster then I can, but damn I just love to go out and have a blast driving. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by asking a question like this, perhaps this will be my last post, because everyone seems to take what I post and try and stick it in my ass :schwitz:

[Gabkicks]

you must be carefull with your choice of words. we all assume that you meen that nfsu type crap. and i still think thats what you mean really but you didnt expect to get flamed.:pillepall

Everyone here obviously enjoys cars... its just we dont like the stupid stereotypes that have spread about racing and those who race.

[Daedelus]

I might just chip in and say:
I started driving a few months ago, and I already know that trying to race on a normal road would be pure stupidity. You take a look at a road, then compare it to a racetrack. You might notice that the track is wider, and has wider turns, along with suitable run-off areas. Roads don't.
Driving on public roads is a means of conveance first and foremost. It's not your own personal speedway. If you want to "race" in any way, shape or form, go to a race track. That way, when you stuff up, you have a better chance yourself and the likelyhood of killing someone else is lessened. What if you make a mistake on a road when you're racing? You're shooting through an intersection, and car with a family in it comes the other way and you don't have time to avoid them. You could kill them, not to mention yourself. Don't be a jackass, putting yourself and others in danger.
It doesn't matter how good a driver you are, If you race on public roads you should not be allowed to ever get behind the wheel of a motor car or motorcycle again.
Peter

[Daedelus]

I might also offer this advice: Don't think your parents know nothing. respect their advice.They've been driving for a hell of a long time.Besides... mine are only a few seconds behind me at blackwood.
P.

[mrodgers]

I live in Los Angeles, and every time I go out to drive I always end up showing off on how great a driver I am. It's the same thing I find driving in real life then it is here. Does anyone else find that they race allot of other people when they drive, or can they keep that on the track? I can't stop racing in real life, or yeah I'm hooked on and off the track.....I drive a 97 altima stick, and a toyota matrix, so the stuff kicks ass like the xrg. I have also been doing allot of testing around where I live, and I can say this game is the closest to the real thing as they come. Side note: I find racing r1-r3 on the xrg to be more like driving real life, but that's the me.
Just note the bolded text in your original post. That is why everyone is giving you a hard time here. Like I said, I don't have a problem with people driving fast. But you live in Los Angeles with alot more traffic than I see in the north western part of PA, with Pittsburgh being the closest major city at 2.5 hours away (GO STEELERS!!!!!!!, hehehehe) Quite a difference my area is from Los Angeles. It is normal to be running 70 mph down the 2 lane main roads out here with the next closest car to you being half a mile away. You just have to watch out for the deer :D .

[spankmeyer]

...I'm sorry if I offended anyone by asking a question like this, perhaps this will be my last post, because everyone seems to take what I post and try and stick it in my ass :schwitz:

Actually we are trying to stick some wit in your head.

I hope you understand that this heat is not about YOU - it's about the other people who are taking a walk to work or home from school, who did not choose to get ran over accidentally by some fella who thought he had the chops.

If you want to race or ignore speed limits, do it on the track where you most likely will only kill yourself if it comes to that.

[Vain]

1. You're not offending anyone, you are putting other people, women and children, on the road into danger. Go to a racetrack like all other people who like racing.

2. It's not about "I can keep my car safely on the road, I'm a safe driver" but about "I could keep my car safely on the road even if some moron parked in the middle of the corner on my side of the corner, I'm a safe driver".
To be a safe driver you have to be able to react on other people's errors without going off the road.

3. The people here just want to stop you from senselessly putting other people into danger. Go to a racetrack like all other people who like racing.

Vain

[v4forlife]

i have 2 sports bike, one for road, one for track. if i needed to, i could ride totally in the law on the road, and get my 'fix' on the track, but i will freely admit, i do ride like a dick sometimes. i do ride fast in the countryside, i do top 130ish on the motorways, but its all about timing. i do these at the right time.

[danowat]

i have 2 sports bike, one for road, one for track. if i needed to, i could ride totally in the law on the road, and get my 'fix' on the track, but i will freely admit, i do ride like a dick sometimes. i do ride fast in the countryside, i do top 130ish on the motorways, but its all about timing. i do these at the right time.

You'll get nicked one day, and when you do, I hope you lose your licence for a VERY long time :pillepall

130mph ANYWHERE on a PUBLIC road is disgusting

Dan,

[Doorman]

i do ride fast in the countryside, i do top 130ish on the motorways, but its all about timing. i do these at the right time.
In the countryside? Are you f*cking MAD? And you're stupid enough to BRAG about it! :pillepall

[nikimere]

i'd be lying if i said i stuck to the speed limit

[L(Oo)ney]

130mph is just a stroll in the park on a sports bike.

And its not really the bikers fault that an OAP was pootling along at the side of a "quiet country road" (a bikers favorite riding spot) and got in his way.

Should've been on the path. :D

[Kajojek(PL)]

Ok lest close this thread. We are saying everything the same "go on the track, you are stupid blah blah blah." Every post is exactly the same.

[spankmeyer]

i'd be lying if i said i stuck to the speed limit
Speed limits aren't just random numbers. "Road Departments" (don't know the actual name of the actual goverment agency) who plan the roads and streets observe the surroundings and add the risk factors like traffic, nearby schools, lack of lights, curves and proximity of ditches, etc. and based on those they say the speed limit is 40 km/h during winter and 50 km/h during summer. When you disregard speed limits, you ignore direct warnings and face the possibly fatal consequencies if you mess up.

Example:
A car approaches intersection at a speed of 40 km/h and a pedestrian appears in front of the car, distance 20 meters. The driver is able to make a full stop just before hitting the pedestrian.
If the car had been travelling at a speed of 50 km/h, what would have been the impact velocity? 10 km/h?

Correct answer is 37 km/h. Hard to believe? That's not based on assumption but instead on raw statistics of human reaction times and physics.

If the car had been travelling with only 20 km/h of overspeed, the impact velocity would have been a staggering 55 km/h. And people who have studied road vehicle fatality statistics will know that the pedestrian death rate on impact skyrockets when the impact velocity goes over 40 km/h.

Source: The Central Organization for Traffic Safety in Finland (www.liikenneturva.fi (http://www.liikenneturva.fi))

[nikimere]

but some speed limits are stupid and are set so low becuase the police/government want to make some money out of it. for example....

There is a road not far from my house, it's 4 lanes wide in both directions, no pedestrians can walk on or near it, it is perfectly straight and it's still 30MPH (about 50kph i think)... thanks just mental :pillepall Thats the place you find the police with their speed guns every weekend.

[B2B@300]

I think most of us would be lying if we said we have never gone over the speed limit, and some of us including myself have done some very stupid and dangerous things in our time... but I have lived through it and now am far more sensible and self restained.

Unfortunately I have seen some friends and have heard of many others that were not so lucky! So my strong views aren't unfounded they are based on harsh reality, believing that you are a good driver can get you killed :x and as several have said already the reality is, is that your most likley are no where as near as good a driver as you think you are :) and even if you are, driving close to the limit gives you no room for error and a public road has no room for error, so the result is death or serious injury to your self and innocent bystanders... its only a matter of time and the more you race or drive recklessly on public roads the more likely you are to become another statistic.

I've lived in some country towns where 50% of the young men have been killed in cars going fast believing they were good. Hey they could drift around a bend at 180km/hr so they must have been awsome! but they are now dead! Just because you can do some awsome driving doesn't mean you will never come unstack, it's far better to have that experience in a race car on a race track than on a street corner or bend in the road with trees on the outside. Take a look at road races in the early years before safty became an issue, many drivers died and many bystanders died also. If profeesional race drivers frequently become unstack, what makes you think you can race on the streets and never have an incident? It's only a matter of time.

I personaly love speed, fast cars and the rush of racing, wouldn't be here otherwise, but I know its place... dang! I was going to make a post that lightened the atmosphere a little, cause I thought there was too much flaming going on :schwitz: I guess I just can't bring myself to do it, because it is such a prevailing attitude amoung the young now and it scares me what type of horsepower and cars young people are getting now days, and I know that until you have a serious accident your unlikely to realise how fragile life really is and think it will never happen to you!

[whitey6272]

How this thread has become 3 pages long is beyond me...:pillepall

[MonkOnHotTinRoof]

but some speed limits are stupid and are set so low becuase the police/government want to make some money out of it. for example....


:iagree:
It's the same here. Lots of stupid low speed signs at convenient places for police to stalk in some bush, even tho there is no house or crossing miles away. The problem is that people just learn to ignore all signs then just because some of them (signs and people :D) are stupid.

[sinbad]

130mph is just a stroll in the park on a sports bike.

And its not really the bikers fault that an OAP was pootling along at the side of a "quiet country road" (a bikers favorite riding spot) and got in his way.

Should've been on the path. :D

WTF is that post Looney? "Let's all have a laugh at Doorman's wife nearly getting killed"?

Why post something like that? Are you sick?

[axus]

On the way to Pretoria from Johannesburg, there is a place on the highway where the speedlimit goes down from 120kph to 100kph and there is a camera immediately after the sign for it. I know so many people that get caught there. Money hungry bastards.

[L56]

130mph is just a stroll in the park on a sports bike.

And its not really the bikers fault that an OAP was pootling along at the side of a "quiet country road" (a bikers favorite riding spot) and got in his way.

Should've been on the path. :D

Do you have wife? Or do you even have a mother? What if either of them was almost killed by a motorbike? What if you where riding that motorbike? What would say to her: "What are you doing in my path!!!"???? I guess not!

Frankly Looney....

I can NOT beleive you even DARE to make a comment like that. It's one thing admitting you (I mean blaccrabbi) likes to "have fun on the road" when there is absolutly no fun on the road to be had. No matter if you do it or others do it, there is no excuse doing it. Just ask your self: "what if it goes wrong." Implications, people, IMPLICATIONS!!! There are several stories here in this thread. But is it too far from home? Don't you care as long as you or your loved ones are not involved?

Then you looney, after Doorman tells his wife was almost killed by a sportsbike "having a stroll in the park", you make a comment like "OAP shouldn't have been in his path".

Well I SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SUCH HARTLESS PEOPLE AROUND!

But you are looney. And there is no excuse for your words. Not now, not ever. I hope you get banned. THINK for feks sake. THINK about it!

Signed: a steaming L56 hope they take you OUT...

edit: some spelling errors, but frankly I couldn't care less about them.

[B2B@300]

but some speed limits are stupid and are set so low becuase the police/government want to make some money out of it. for example....

There is a road not far from my house, it's 4 lanes wide in both directions, no pedestrians can walk on or near it, it is perfectly straight and it's still 30MPH (about 50kph i think)... thanks just mental :pillepall Thats the place you find the police with their speed guns every weekend.

If you could go faster what would it mean anyway, 5 less minutes maybe so what, thats bugger all :shrug: I live 65km from my work place and the difference of driving 5-10 km/hr below the posted speed limit all the way and 5 - 10 km/hr above the limit is a sum total of about 6 or 7 minutes :pillepall if I drive upto 30 km/hr over the speed limit then i could maybe get there 10 - 15 min earlier but really why do it? It cracks me up that almost everyone I see speeding to get somewhere is only going 5km or so down the road, so the sum total of time they save by driving recklessly is what? 30 sec or maybe a minute :tilt:

[Scawen]

I will close this thread now. All has been said that needs to be said.

Looney you are banned for 10 days for the disrespectful post directed at Doorman's account about the incident involving his wife. Think before you post.