Turn 5 in westhill

[ldriver]

Hi , i was racing at westhill yesterday and i have been thinking that
there was something missing in curve 5.I think it would help a lot of
people if there were kerbs at the end of this curve,what do you think?

[the_angry_angel]

I must admit, due to the high speed nature of the track, there are a few areas which catch me out and I run off the track very very slightly causing the car to spin violently. I think its a good idea :)

[Shotglass]

we generally doenst have much of any curbs ... all of them seem to be completely flat and not elevated the slightest bit ... so the only thing that would change with an exit curb is that the exit will be a bit wider but not safer ... in other words it doesnt matter if theres a crub or not

[Fetzo]

i think curbs are very good for orientation when exiting a corner.

so i think it is a good idea.

[traxxion]

I think it's a good idea! That turn has driven me mad loads of times, good suggestion!

[tristancliffe]

I don't think a helper curb should be added, as it'll take the challenge away (and I'm rubbish at WE, so should be hoping for anything to make it easier).

But I do agree some sort of curb should be added just so you can see where the exit is. The number of times I've had plenty of grip, but in my desperation to use as little steering as possible (so as not to scrub off speed) means I've reached the exit early, and run out of road. But I guess that's making it easier, so I don't know.

[Jakg]

hmmmm, seems like a good idea, as i hate juist touching the dirt and spinning

[Blackout]

No no no no, thats the thing that makes that corner more of a challenge, you just have to get the right line to drive it flatout.

[Vain]

If a curb is to come, it has to be guaranteed that the new tracksize + curb isn't bigger than the current track size so that the geometry of the track remains the same.

Vain

[Hyperactive]

If a curb is to come, it has to be guaranteed that the new tracksize + curb isn't bigger than the current track size so that the geometry of the track remains the same.

Vain

So the curb should be ON the track?

I think something like a very low and narrow curb should be fine. Around 10cm wide...

I think Westhill should defenately have curbs on some places. Not to make it easier but to make it look and feel better.

[-jester-]

carrying on the town planning association theme, I object. I agree with Blackout (post 8), the corner should not be altered.
:)

[Barroso]

im pretty sure this was taken into account when eric built it, and im pretty sure that there would be a curb there if it was suposed to.

[DodgeRacer]

I think there needs to be a grenade there, so I will finnaly be convinced to stop running wide :p

but a curb might help, but it needs to be a harher than normal one so I dont just run onto the curb and off the curb into further grass...:D

[glyphon]

i don't think a curb is needed...the white side lines and the cone at the exit give all the depth/corner information needed. modify your line to stay on the track ;)

[Jakg]

hmmm, ive just realised, ive only ever driven on westhill in the training things...

[Kostek]

Not a bad idea

BUT
No no no no, thats the thing that makes that corner more of a challenge, you just have to get the right line to drive it flatout.
Blackout is 100% right, imo.

So no for curb.

[Breizh]

I like it as it is, it's an exception to almost every other "safe" corner in the game.

[Boris Lozac]

That turn has drove me mad plenty of times, and i lost a race in Nations cup because of that turn.. :shy: BUT i like it, because it is very challenging, and because it is kinda scarry.. I would really want it to stay as it is..

[NetDemon01]

Hmm, what happened to the whole "LFS should be treated like real life racing" type of theme around here? Come on now, can you alter race tracks in real life just because you don't like a corner? ;-)

[the_angry_angel]

Hmm, what happened to the whole "LFS should be treated like real life racing" type of theme around here? Come on now, can you alter race tracks in real life just because you don't like a corner? ;-)
Yes! I often sneak into the local race track and change it ;)

[sinbad]

Hmm, what happened to the whole "LFS should be treated like real life racing" type of theme around here? Come on now, can you alter race tracks in real life just because you don't like a corner? ;-)

Well obviously somebody could change a real life corner if it needed changing. :)
So yes, if you complained to the right person and they agreed with you, then you could have an issue that makes a corner dangerous addressed.

[Hankstar]

I think Westhill is a great track as is. It's minimalism (compared to other LFS tracks) and acres of grass reminds me of an old-style English course in the countryside. I reckon that was Eric's intent to begin with (he did call it "Westhill" after all, a very English sounding name).

If someone did want to put some kerbing there I wouldn't have a problem with it in theory - but don't use that green stuff like at the end of the straight at Blackwood..I really don't like the way people go right over the kerb and off the track there like it's part of the track (especially if they gain a spot doing it)...if you want to modify tracks, make that green stuff grass!

(please):shy:

[Vendetta]

It actually adds a challenge to that turn, and its very easy to take it at full speed in FOX.

[Blackout]

its very easy to take it at full speed in FOX.

No its not, when exiting about 200 kph its kinda hard corner imho :shy:

[Greboth]

I like it the way it is. I like the fact you can take it full throtle but if u make a mistake u have o lift or go off. Also a good overtaking point when your following someone if they make a mistake and have to lift then with the slip stream (in FOX) can out run them to the next corner.
So IMO needs to stay as it is.

[DanDectis]

I couldn't agree more. Thats one of the places i go off most...just catch that back left wheel and you're gone.

I think kerbs would help you get a better visual reference which is what I think causes most people to go off, its so hard to see the sides of the track cuz its so wide and flat and you're so low.

I would LOVE some kerbs there:smileypul

[Tweaker]

I want a kerb there yes. People say it is fine without.... but think if it did have one. You'd still have the error of going off the track (only it would happen when you are pushing it), it just wouldn't be like we have it now where you touch it just a tad from being so oblivious to where the edge of the track is. Because with one you'd have a far safer race, since I find people sliding out there are lot and it can cause accidents/ruin races.

It just feels very underdeveloped or lacking in that whole spot as a matter of fact, Westhill needs just a few minor touch ups ;)

[Vain]

I did some 100 laps more on Westhill since the last post.
Turn 5 is perfectly okay the way it is because you know the layout from the tyres on the inside of the turn. You can perfectly place the apex using these marks.
You just shouldn't try to go 5cm beside the grass on the exit. That's the difference between a senseful driver and a maniac.
And a curb won't help maniacs. Only sense does. ;)

Vain

[Thorvertonian]

Every corner on every race track (Dedicated not street) should have kerbs on the entrance, apex and exit of the corner

[Breizh]

because...

[Thorvertonian]

because...

Because they should!

[mrodgers]

In racing, you adapt your driving to the track, not adapt the track to your driving. Unless it is a serious flaw, you don't change a configuration just because you want to go around a turn faster or without needing to lift.

[keiran]

Not all tracks do. I've raced at kart tracks which meet MSA standards and they've not had kerbs on the exit of some corners. I love that corner as it is at Westhill because it's a real corner. None of this green tarmac or kerbs to 'help'.

One good example of a kart track which I raced at had two flat out corners with no kerb on the exit. What a great feeling it was to build up my confidence on that corner. The first few times I went round that section of track it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. In real life it adds to the excitment. I did actually clip a wet patch once on that corner and had one of them spins where you catch it but it swings in the oposite direction and hit the pit entrance hard. Bent the rear bumper hard against the rear tyres :| It didn't do me any good either, went the whole day at school complaining about my back :p

I feel these sort of corners really do lack in real life circuits. A lot of the great tracks are chagning everything and making it far easier for drivers to get off with mistakes.

Keiran

[keiran]

Yes in a way but no in another. Depending how wide this kerb is it might not be as much of a challenge to take. For example you might be able to get through it flat out without as much risk of hitting the grass because you have extra width to the track and thus being within the limit of the car. Rather than puting the car on its limit. Then for the F08 you will always have the risk of flying off the track at that corner because of the speed you can carry :razz:

Keiran

[JJ72]

Hmm, what happened to the whole "LFS should be treated like real life racing" type of theme around here? Come on now, can you alter race tracks in real life just because you don't like a corner? ;-)

Yes, it's not rare that they alternate of even resurface sections on the track due to driver's safety concern, I remember a coupe of times they did it in F1, hack Ferrari even moved the starting line on indianapolis because the pole position is on a strip of bricks!!

[jtr99]

It seems that a curb might be making things too easy, but some sort of visual reference would be helpful. How about, oh I don't know, perhaps a large tree placed thoughtfully on the exit?

[ldriver]

Maybe i was wrong i have trained a lot on westhill and i m now going
throught it full speed almost all the time,a little visual help would be
more confortable IMO.

[ajp71]

I don't take it flat in the FOX, doesn't mean I want a curb to give me an extra safety net and let me be able to do so.

The curbs are already far to tolerant in LFS, IRL you never clip curbs or race on them (particuarly the green netting) in single seaters.