Hill Climb Course

[mctav]

I checked the sticky at the top of the page + did a search for hill climb on the forum to check whether or not it had been previously suggested. I couldn't see anything so I figured I would make a thread.

Basicallly I think point to point hill climbs would be a cool addition. Obviously they wouldn't be suitable for multi player courses <well unless everyone went on and took turns...not a problem on a course that only lasts 40-50seconds? Gives you time to fiddle with set up between goes> Certainly oppertunity for good hotlaps action! The local hill climb course here has a record some where near 40seconds if I remember correctly.

In the UK they seem to be a very popular form of grass roots motor sport.

The game already has all the style of cars you'd expect at a hill climb...small FWD, open top caterham style and the open wheeled formula cars.

Courses ideally would be narrow tarmac affairs with plenty of corners that climb up a hill. The often have hair pins as they wind back and forth up the hill. Quite a large change in elevation would be ideal. It makes it difficult keeping your speed up but gives advantages when breaking up hill...some good skills to learn. It could be applied in reverse with down hill courses.

Most likely to be in country/wooded settings.

I guess the Goodwood festival of speed hill climb is a famous example but there are plenty of small tracks in country estates etc around the country.

[nikimere]

i think it has been suggested before but maybe that was on RSC.
i'm up for that idea :thumb:

Remember thats where Andy Priaulx started from... hill climbing. He's now a ETCC & WTCC champion driver!

[sinbad]

I've always liked the Hill-Climb idea, same with point to point rally stages of all kinds, but (imho) we'd really need some basic kind of stage editor for it to be a serious addition to lfs with a truly long-term lifespan.

[AndroidXP]

I can already imagine it: hillclimb with UF1000, WR currently at 14:56.18 :rofl:

[ajp71]

Hillclimbing is a great idea, the Goodwood Festival of Speed really isn't a great hillclimb like Shesley or Prescott.

I'd prefer to see long tarmac hillclimbs like in the European hillclimb championship, there's a website with some amazing onboard videos somewhere anybody have a link?

[sinbad]

www.videoconcept.com :)

[NaBUru38]

Or downhill... drifting :D
Touge wouldn't hurt...

[Vendetta]

A hill climb would be freaking awesome. Plus the drifters could go the wrong way and use it as a drift track :D

[mctav]

Hillclimbing is a great idea, the Goodwood Festival of Speed really isn't a great hillclimb like Shesley or Prescott.


It's a good example for those not familiar with the idea. I haven't heard/seen any of the european championship. Just like the idea of small courses that are challenging.

[Shotglass]

id love to see a pikes peak type hillclimb in lfs :D

[deggis]

Hualapai Nation @ RBR. As close as it gets to hill climb... or is there any hill climbing sims out there? :D

[V3NOMOUS]

Hill climbs sounds good then u can drift back down with out jumping on the Accelrator :thumb: Next patch maybe Dev's could make a track For hill climbing?

[FPVaaron]

Hope so :)

[ldriver]

Good idea i made a picture of what it could look like:)

[herki]

hill climb would be very nice :thumb:

we in germany start in i think ~30s intervals, the race for the rest of the drivers has just to be restarted, if somebody crashes.

[ajp71]

Just to point out European hillclimbing is not a rally/drifting disipline, more like a circuit racing setup car and driving style. Definatley not like a rally stage or Pikes Peak style dirt climb.

[Hyperactive]

It would have almost zero online use as it would need to be quite long and wide to allow more than one acer at time. Maybe for hotlapping but I see little use for it, though it might be fun...

[Go-carter]

No actually, online, it could be a bit like the 2-lane drag, except 2 persons with well, about 20-30sek. between eacother? And the rest watches ;)

[sinbad]

It would have almost zero online use as it would need to be quite long and wide to allow more than one acer at time. Maybe for hotlapping but I see little use for it, though it might be fun...

I totally agree. That's why I think that for it to be a viable long term multiplayer feature, there needs to be an almost unlimited number of stages/hills etc, so that people can make a stage, or an event, and then run the event as though it were real (with a limited number of practice and timed runs). If there is a limited number of stages then, as you said, the stages/hills will just be hotlap fodder and the time would have been better spent on race tracks.

[Hankstar]

:nod: Hillclimbs! An underrated sport and quite underappreciated here in Oz.

Perhaps they could include a bunch of different routes of varying lengths, steepness and difficulty, all set on the same hillside, the same way we have several different configs for the circuits we have now? Also including different surfaces - tarmac/gravel/dirt etc...
Would be a great addition to the rally pack too...there could even be room for a short, twisty, hilly circuit or two (maybe even one huge one - 170+ turns, 8+ minute laps :D)...

[marsden1002]

this, i think, will be good when engine damage and engine temp is implemented.

A good up hill, which will labour the car to its limits will be top class.

[Galthar]

I think they could add more DIRT RALLY tracks. In forests or even could add more attention to rally sport. With than kind of physics they could rule SIM WORLD

[Roadie]

dont forget the stunt dirt track.. with a off road section, mud pit, and a few jumps.

[Hankstar]

Galthar, there's been talk of a rally pack, possibly coming for S3 ... :scratchch
I like the way LFS cars handle on dirt and I'd love some more dirt tracks..

[deggis]

With the current "rally" physics hill climbing with tarmac stages could work pretty well. But with dirt stages it needs lots of work. Rallycross in LFS feels just so arcadish after RBR. :shrug:

[Cue-Ball]

I totally agree. That's why I think that for it to be a viable long term multiplayer feature, there needs to be an almost unlimited number of stages/hills etc, so that people can make a stage, or an event, and then run the event as though it were real (with a limited number of practice and timed runs). If there is a limited number of stages then, as you said, the stages/hills will just be hotlap fodder and the time would have been better spent on race tracks.
While I think editable stages or a ton of different stages would be cool, I think you're off base to say that it wouldn't be viable without this. There are TONS of guys who drive "The Dragon" every single weekend for hours on end. It's one stretch of road, but it doesn't get old. The same can be said for several roads around the US (and the world). As long as the stretch of road is interesting and fun to drive, it doesn't need to change.

Look at how many people spend hours and hours week after week driving Blackwood. And that track has less than a dozen turns. Imagine how much time could be spent on a downhill track (or uphill, depending on how you run it) that had four or five times as many turns!

[glyphon]

While I think editable stages or a ton of different stages would be cool, I think you're off base to say that it wouldn't be viable without this. There are TONS of guys who drive "The Dragon" every single weekend for hours on end. It's one stretch of road, but it doesn't get old.

i wish that i lived close enough to the dragon (US-129) to be able to drive it everyweekend. well, i guess technically i could, but considering its a 3 hour drive each way, its not really practical. That said, the dragon is all sorts of fun. 11 miles long, 300+ turns, and some fun elevation changes.

a hill climb/touge track would be incredibly fun and a great addition to the game.

oh, and if anyone cares to learn about the dragon, here's a map...
http://maps.google.com/?ll=35.489188,-83.943958&spn=0.076175,0.139046

[Hankstar]

I'd like to see the route from Adelaide to my parents' house in the Hills in a game - any game! It's about 30km and beautifully twisty - the road my parents live on (Deviation Rd) is used as part of a stage for the Classic Adelaide Rally too. It rocks to sit in the scrub with a camera and watch GT40s, Dinos, Caterhams, Lancer EVOs, Triumphs, Jags, Lambos, Coopers etc...scream around my road the way I've always tried to :D

http://www.classicadelaide.com.au/ca/

[sinbad]

While I think editable stages or a ton of different stages would be cool, I think you're off base to say that it wouldn't be viable without this. There are TONS of guys who drive "The Dragon" every single weekend for hours on end. It's one stretch of road, but it doesn't get old. The same can be said for several roads around the US (and the world). As long as the stretch of road is interesting and fun to drive, it doesn't need to change.

Look at how many people spend hours and hours week after week driving Blackwood. And that track has less than a dozen turns. Imagine how much time could be spent on a downhill track (or uphill, depending on how you run it) that had four or five times as many turns!

I hear you. If they made just one really nice stage I'm sure it would be fun to drive for ages.
Trouble is it would be over-practiced and as an online competition element there wouldn't be much to it other than to see if people can match their hotlap times because the on and offline experience is just the same. That's why I could not see much life in one stage, or a small number of stages (as an online competition element). But, let us make our own stages and run them like the real things are run, with limited practice and timed runs through a stage that you first see on the day or just shortly before you show up to compete there, and the online lifespan suddenly goes from a week to years (imo of course).

I hope you understand what I mean :)

[mctav]

Good idea i made a picture of what it could look like:)

This is exactly what I meant. Well done. Small winding tarmac track through trees...AWESOM! I just hope people realise my suggestion was for this style and not something like pikes peak which is very different. Its all about quite narrow tracks with large elevation change and tricky corners.

[Saizou]

I also thing hill climd or down hill would be so great, but, if the track isnt similiar to Initial D's style it would be sucks.
Also no one would use drift on this kind of course, trust me, people wont spend hours of practice drifting, well i will.

[himself]

I realise that the course have to end in the same place where it start co I think the course would look like some NFS1/2/3/4 courses. Well I don't have anything against it.

[kwijibo]

Yeah hill climb picture looks great :) I'd love something like that in LFS. Definately be a great hotlapping track

[TaiFong]

i wish that i lived close enough to the dragon (US-129) to be able to drive it everyweekend. well, i guess technically i could, but considering its a 3 hour drive each way, its not really practical. That said, the dragon is all sorts of fun. 11 miles long, 300+ turns, and some fun elevation changes.

a hill climb/touge track would be incredibly fun and a great addition to the game.

oh, and if anyone cares to learn about the dragon, here's a map...
http://maps.google.com/?ll=35.489188,-83.943958&spn=0.076175,0.139046

I've always wondered, what is the cop situation like on the dragon?

[anttt69]

Sorry MCTAV but I already posted about this back in 2005 along with a load of other ideas for LFS.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=1925&highlight=harewood


I really hope to see some of them soon :thumb:

[Scrabby]

+1000000000000!!
but then we need a powerfull car because the stand road cars won't make i guess

RB4GT:thumb:

[Jamexing]

I still fondly remember the last track from NFS 3 course. That mountain course was the one of my all time favouries. :)

If LFS comes up with any circuit of that nature, it'll be THAT much closer to the perfect racing sim. :D

[blonde11]

Wayyy heyyy luvin that idea. The sound of dirt and grit under rubber almost sexual isnt it mmm.

[xWolFx]

Yes, the idea of a hill climb course brings a smile to my mind, I have not yet seen a track in games that elavates more then 100 ft.

[Jamexing]

If LFS incorporates an excellent mountain course, I won't mind paying 10% over the current price for the license.

[keltern]

a (huge) hillclimb track would be an enormously fun addition to LFS! :thumb:

with uphill straights and twists on and on.. :D both gravel and tarmac ofcourse! :)

[crabjim]

Either hillclimbs or downhill will be great!! It doesn't matter how we race, drift or grip it will be additional fun to us.
Since LFS was categorize in Various Sim Racing, I think it would be great to have point-to-point course(somewhat like rally stages).
It will be a great experience for all S2 users to race through mountainous pass via LFS's superb physics.

[sil3ntwar]

isnt downhill just a hillclimb in reverse :really: :D

[Tomi]

+1 for hillclimb courses

I'm going to the St Ursannes-Les Rangiers hillclimb race this week-end, it's part of the European Championship and all the great drivers (Plasa, Regal, Meisel, Ianniello, Bormolini, Regosa, Napione, Kramsky, Szasz, Svoboda and many more...) and great machines will be there :)

A few vids from 2005 :
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Interswiss%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/E1%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Gruppe%20C,CN%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Autsch%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Dies%20&%20Das%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Formel%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Gruppe%20A,%20N%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Olivier%20Ferrini%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv

the bad thing : it will probably rain again this year :(

[herki]

The "Autsch"-one is impressive, especially the part with the formula car.
I would want to go to St Ursannes too, but it's to far away. Be sure to get some video footage ;)

[nutty boy]

A hill climb. Now that idea sounds tasty.

[keltern]

+1 for hillclimb courses

I'm going to the St Ursannes-Les Rangiers hillclimb race this week-end, it's part of the European Championship and all the great drivers (Plasa, Regal, Meisel, Ianniello, Bormolini, Regosa, Napione, Kramsky, Szasz, Svoboda and many more...) and great machines will be there :)

A few vids from 2005 :
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Interswiss%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/E1%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Gruppe%20C,CN%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Autsch%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Dies%20&%20Das%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Formel%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Gruppe%20A,%20N%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/videos/Olivier%20Ferrini%20Les%20Rangiers05.wmv

imagine what an improvement to LFS it would be if the mods could make a track similar to the one in the videos! :thumb:


liked the m3's and the yellow evo! :) and the old opel kadett c's (i'd like a couple of these cars in LFS as well..)! :D or vauxhall as you english chaps say.. :P

[nutty boy]

I recognise that track. I think I have a few crashes, 1 of a red Golf and 1 of a yellow Megane from that track, possibly that event.

[Scrabby]

it all would be great +1
but if de devs lets us give a possibility to make such cars it would be more greater because with the current cars i don't c myself driving that course, exept he UFR then:thumb:

[nutty boy]

We need a big super GTR version of a car with like 700 BHP and the biggest air cutting front bumper ever.

[Scrabby]

Yes the GTR version of the RB4 that would be awsome

[nutty boy]

I think we should have an RB4 GTR. It'd fit the GTR better than any other car.

[m374llic4]

Do people not read other threads D : This is like what the majority of the many many page "Drift Tracks Needed!!!" thread is about, or atleast turned in to >_< we need harder overall moderation and merging of threads or at least something, so theres not 15 threads almost the same, but ever so slightly different that it gets overlooked

[MoonForce]

I think we should have an RB4 GTR. It'd fit the GTR better than any other car.

OFF TOPIC but >>> :iagree:

[nutty boy]

In fact it's not off topic because it's about what cars we think would be good for the hill climb course.

[Scrabby]

yep and with he's 4wd rally performance it would be a great car to drive with on a hillclimb course

[frokki]

Hualapai Nation @ RBR. As close as it gets to hill climb... or is there any hill climbing sims out there? :DYou can get much more closer, capo.. try the french stages ;)

[Jamexing]

Bring on great ocean road from Melbourne Australia. Many kays and corners of fun. :D

[m374llic4]

Call it a drift or touge course you get flamed to all hell. Call it a hill climb, and everyones on board! Same difference >_<

[bryanviper]

I agree, I would love to have Hill climbing and the course could also be used for drifting and so on :)

I saw bring it NOW :D lol

Thanks

[Ricerguy]

:D.I have a nice addition to this hill climb idea.
Since people say it may get boring, how about 2 pits? one at the top one at the bottom and the hill climb track could be made into a circuit where you chose to go down for the start or up.:tilt:This would take away from the annoying boringness of a one way course, and probably appeal to those who like testing their cars top speed down a hill (me):D.Between each stage would be the pits due to the bumps and bruises due to happen on either of them just incase:tilt:.

Just think of it. 2 pits, 2 start lines, one at the top one at the bottom, 2 seperate races on one track (uphill stage/Downhill stage):scratchch.

:tilt: Each to their own?

[Scrabby]

:D.I have a nice addition to this hill climb idea.
Since people say it may get boring, how about 2 pits? one at the top one at the bottom and the hill climb track could be made into a circuit where you chose to go down for the start or up.:tilt:This would take away from the annoying boringness of a one way course, and probably appeal to those who like testing their cars top speed down a hill (me):D.

Just think of it. 2 pits, 2 start lines, one at the top one at the bottom, 2 seperate races on one track (uphill stage/Downhill stage):scratchch.

:tilt: Each to their own?

my idea: 2 configs

1. a sprint course with 2 pitlanes begin, end
2. a hillclimb course but a full track so u drive the hillclimb course but u drive laps on it :thumb: (i hope)

[bryanviper]

:D.I have a nice addition to this hill climb idea.
Since people say it may get boring, how about 2 pits? one at the top one at the bottom and the hill climb track could be made into a circuit where you chose to go down for the start or up.:tilt:This would take away from the annoying boringness of a one way course, and probably appeal to those who like testing their cars top speed down a hill (me):D.Between each stage would be the pits due to the bumps and bruises due to happen on either of them just incase:tilt:.

Just think of it. 2 pits, 2 start lines, one at the top one at the bottom, 2 seperate races on one track (uphill stage/Downhill stage):scratchch.

:tilt: Each to their own?


Also jsut to add.

1 Racer starts @ the top & 1 at the bottom. This way they will eventually meet on the track (probably in the middle on a turn hopefully) SO they will try to pass each other without hitting (or hit ;) ) then they got to go to the pit, repair and so on then leave again and race back up or down the hill.

First person to finish the course up and down + 1 Pit wins.

Ciao

[Scrabby]

Also jsut to add.

1 Racer starts @ the top & 1 at the bottom. This way they will eventually meet on the track (probably in the middle on a turn hopefully) SO they will try to pass each other without hitting (or hit ;) ) then they got to go to the pit, repair and so on then leave again and race back up or down the hill.

First person to finish the course up and down + 1 Pit wins.

Ciao

sry i don't think thats not very fun to do, just like in real wait until som1 else start and maybe 2 mins after the other driver starts:nod:

[Spinjack]

Ghost cars for head to head racing on teh hill climb. :thumb:

[Ricerguy]

uum...My idea was to make it into a circuit but with the hillclimb and a return trip as to taka away from the boringness the drivers would go in the same direction at the same time, and can possibly start at the same time :tilt:.

[nutty boy]

Just download ghost car mod.

Something that would make it more interesting. 2 cars race. 1 starts at the bottom 1 at top. Disastrous.

[anttt69]

Call it a drift or touge course you get flamed to all hell. Call it a hill climb, and everyones on board! Same difference >_<

What are you on about? :pillepall U maybe get confused as Pikes peak is called a hillclimb & drivers drift round the bends on that course.

A Hillclimb is not a Drift Course. (not in Europe anyways)

[bryanviper]

2 cars race. 1 starts at the bottom 1 at top. Disastrous.

Yes but so much fun, also then it would teach people how to avoid getting hit and all that, I think it would be really good. But it could also be bad. Oh well


Ciao :thumb:

[Jamexing]

Ricerguy, your idea seems fun to me. Only problem is the risk of crashing if any driver forgets to hold his lane whilst passing each other. Nothing a good real time car tracking map, skill and attention can't solve.

To make it a fair race, each driver would start at opposite ends of the course (uphill or downhill). The finishing straights for each end would be 4 lanes wide to ensure adequate space for the turnaround. One lap is basically counted as one uphill and downhill combined session.

The winner is determined by whoever has the fastest combined uphill and downhill time.:)

Or, there's always the option of a one run (uphill or downhill) 1 on 1 battle.

[Phoon]

I went up Pikes Peak (http://www.ppihc.com/) in my mothers minivan last summer, but i'd love to do it in a LX6. :razz:

I vote yes, for hill climbs!

[Ricerguy]

Ricerguy, your idea seems fun to me. Only problem is the risk of crashing if any driver forgets to hold his lane whilst passing each other. Nothing a good real time car tracking map, skill and attention can't solve.

To make it a fair race, each driver would start at opposite ends of the course (uphill or downhill). The finishing straights for each end would be 4 lanes wide to ensure adequate space for the turnaround. One lap is basically counted as one uphill and downhill combined session.

The winner is determined by whoever has the fastest combined uphill and downhill time.:)

Or, there's always the option of a one run (uphill or downhill) 1 on 1 battle.

That was not my idea.:scratchch my idea was, that the whole track be a circuit where no matter where u start (top/bottom) both drivers go in clockwise/ counter clockwise motion the start lin for the driver startng at the bottom would be the finish line for the downhill driver or checkpoint f the driver continues the course.Same for other way around. i can't seem to notice whats so hard to understand :schwitz: ...i'll draw it out if i can comeout with a track design.

[Jamexing]

Not TOO different fropm the idea I just suggested, but a good one nonetheless.

[Ricerguy]

:scratchch...I think that could be added to my idea.:tilt:
Wouldn't the car starting the downhill Run first havean advantage of downhill speed + uphill entry speed? :shrug:.

[Scrabby]

i think u guys r making it a littlebit to hard, IF i say IF we get such track plz keep it simple: a hill climb course, normal and reverse, 1 driver at the time, just pitlane downhill, pitlane uphill and maybe a full course

goodnight, Kevin

[Jamexing]

Not much if any advantage, if the course is well designed (e.g slow corner right before the turnaround straights). This mimizes if not eliminates entry speed advantages. Besides, The uphill starting car will get his chance to go faster on his downhill run, so that evens things out, since the downhill starting car would have to go slower on its uphill run too. :)

[anttt69]

either way guys you forget LFS is a simulation. What type of racing are you simulating here?!? :shrug:

Exactly. The idea is ludicrous & will never appear in LFS.

If you want to put cones & barriers out in the car park & play out your suicidal fantasy feel free to do so :pillepall

Better still a game of chicken on Blackwood straight might be right up your street. :ices_rofl

[Ricerguy]

@anttt69 - Ehem...:) shut the fcuk up and read the topic tittle + first post + aLL OTHER POSTS b4 going all bullspit on everyone...thankyou.

The previous statement brought to you by, " THE BULLSH*T I CAN HARDLY TAKE", we now resume our topic :)

@Jamexing - i see,:scratchch.I forgot to explore it from the other drivers point of view :tilt:

[Jamexing]

Need I remind you that LFS is a simulation of car physics. What we're suggesting here is something that's actually possible IRL, so your barking up the wrong alley. BTW, racing has always been dangerous.

Need I remind you that the object is not to cause a massive crash, though seriously, that already happens a bit too much online anyway. At least it's restricted to 2 cars only! Moot point.

No, the idea isn't to play chicken on BL. It's about racing on a mountain pass style track with 2 marked lanes.

I'm sick and tired of people who act as if closed loop tarmac circuit racing is the only form of racing worth simulating. Thanks to this prevailing attitude, rallying remains neglected. What a waste of a brilliant physics engine. :( Current rally cross circuits are too short and boring to be of any real fun anyway. Coupled with the lack of a well done RB4 and some rally cars, this is only going to get worse. Beside, LFS has a remarkable lack of complex corner sequences ATM.

[anttt69]

:D.I have a nice addition to this hill climb idea.
Since people say it may get boring, how about 2 pits? one at the top one at the bottom and the hill climb track could be made into a circuit where you chose to go down for the start or up.:tilt:This would take away from the annoying boringness of a one way course, and probably appeal to those who like testing their cars top speed down a hill (me):D.Between each stage would be the pits due to the bumps and bruises due to happen on either of them just incase:tilt:.

Just think of it. 2 pits, 2 start lines, one at the top one at the bottom, 2 seperate races on one track (uphill stage/Downhill stage):scratchch.

:tilt: Each to their own?

:ices_rofl

WTF? I stand by my comments. What do you think LFS is, Destruction derby?

Your idea is total crap. Two cars setting off on a collision course :pillepall
You need your head looking at mate!

Oh yeah, for the record I think your the one who needs to shut the fcuk up you brianless tawt who do you think you are?? Also if you check the thread title its about hillclimbing not wacky races.

edit: ahh now you say you have two marked lanes, well at last some sense. thanks jamex you can see why I thought that it was a collision course though.

as for Ricerguy I think he needs to show some restraint before badmouthing people. How dare you!

[Ricerguy]

ROFLCHOPPEDSNAKEMAONAISE.:really:

Ehem. how many effing times do i have to say that neither of the cars if starting at different points will ever meet up making it as if u were racing alone.the circuit setup is to stop the drivers from getting bored of uphill stop uphill stop te usual up hill would still be implemented but,like the dragstrip there would be a way back to the "start line". the idea of adding a downhill is just an addition stemming from this.How Dare ME?:really: HOW DARE YOU!

my ideas explaination IN COLOUR :tilt: http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9552/hillclimbidearo4.png
ok here it is,in the green area the corner configs(chicanes,snakes,etc), in the red area is the pits for each leg of the race,Blue is the uphill starting line and the purple is the downhill startingline(for a clockwise race.)

[keltern]

it's a hillclimb track we're talking about, not a destruction derby.. and i think it's a really good f'ing idea! :thumb:

nothing i can picture would be a more fun addition to this game atm.. i think.. :P

[anttt69]

ok right now I can see where we got our wires crossed, you made it into a circuit. Have you ever seen or been to a hillclimb event? It is in effect a narrow lane winding up the side of a hill.

Your idea has its merits but has nothing to do with a hillclimb course.:scratchch

I just had a thought, they do that in cycling dont they in the velodrome? same sort of format apart from the hill

[george_tsiros]

i think the technology and the software exists, to run "google earth", do some heuristics and/or use existing road map data so that you can click anywhere on the globe and race anywhere you please. ignoring the surroundings...but that is secondary.

[Ricerguy]

:tilt: my bad ant i remember the type of hillclimb now :) ty i thought this was a rally uphill :x...o well...uum what car do we have that would do this? :/...

[Scrabby]

LX4,6 RB4, UFR,XFR and the open wheelers and maybe a GTR car

[Jamexing]

Actually, any decent RWd and 4WD car could do well on a hillclimb.:)

[anttt69]

i think the technology and the software exists, to run "google earth", do some heuristics and/or use existing road map data so that you can click anywhere on the globe and race anywhere you please. ignoring the surroundings...but that is secondary.

:wow: Imagine that facility in LFS, being able to race or rally any stretch of tarmac on the planet. I'm sure you could get it to randomly generate surroundings based on the terrain & map info.

[herki]

Actually, any decent RWd and 4WD car could do well on a hillclimb.:)

there are a hell of a lot of FWD cars in german hillclimb races. Mostly old polos and golfs though.

[Jamexing]

AKA European FWDs with good performance potential. :)

[Tomi]

For the record, in a regular hillclimb race, the drivers start every 30 seconds, park after the finish line then wait for the last car to finish. The cars do 3 runs and the cumulated times makes the classification.

When there is a crash, the running cars are stopped by the marshalls (red flag) and restart when the road is cleared.

All sorts of cars race in Hillclimb, from almost stock FWD sedans to open-wheels and prototypes.

I don't think waiting for the others to finish is boring as long as the event is well organised. We organise Slalom (autocross) races in LFS using the very same rules and it is a lot of fun. It's almost the only type of racing which allow people to be both drivers and spectators. We laugh at each others on teamspeak and play the commentators and it doesn't require any training because we discover the track 1 hour in a practice session before the 3 official timed runs

[Jamexing]

Not too different from WRC MO, with 30s gap between cars. And yes, it's a much better atmosphere then most of circuit racing today, with F-1 being the pinnacle of arrogance. 200AUD tickets and you still can't see the drivers up close or even get a decent seat. :(

[Scrabby]

http://www.harewoodhill.co.uk/images/jpegs/2006/260306/Simon-Green_wnn.jpg

@ hillclimb

[herki]

I love the crossing of the track in hillclimb races, when a security marshall stops you, and as soon as the next car has gone by tells you to cross the tracks.
And when if there's retirement on the track, everybody behind the retired car has to go back and refuel their car ...

Just gotta love hillclimb races :shy:

[mctav]

Glad to see this thread still going. Go to the below link for a pretty good exampel of a proper hill climb course...as you will see it is nothing like pikes peak!

http://members.tripod.com/sprints/scammonden.htm

Now to join the start and end together perhaps we could have a straight road like 8 lane drag? People could cycle round here and wait at the bottom to run again. Runs spaced 30 secs apart. There might be a holding box where you have to wait to start again...after the 30secs you are moved to the line ready to go?

Here is a map of a course...it isn't very long and you would be looking at lap times of sub 1min on the really fast cars. It's a sprint race! Just join the end to the start and you make a loop.


http://www.pahillclimb.org/graphics/Readin2.jpg

The UFR would fit the bill of good hill climb car! The LX4 and 6 as well!

[FireFox86]

A team member of Finalgear has made a kinda Hillclimb on Aston circuit
It can be found here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9999) or directly (http://lfs.finalgear.com/viewpage.php?page_id=17&id=16)
The height difference on some parts of Aston are noticable, which would make it great for a HillClimb Track. :)

[skylineadam]

Oh man, this is what ive been waiting for. I would love to have this in lfs, we must get the guys to seriously consider, as it would be great to drive. Could you imagine the xfr, and ufr going on this stuff:thumb: The possibilties are endless. Even the formula cars can do it!!!:thumb:x10.
Here get some inspiration and watch some videos on here-www.berg-cup.de:nod:

[aoun]

Tight twisty mountain hillclimbs are the best!

+100000000000000000000000000000000 xd

[Jamexing]

Group B 600hp monster + twisty WRC mountain stage == Ultimate LFS:thumb:

[Tomi]

Just a quick report from St Ursanne - Les Rangiers.

It was pure madness on wheels :woohoo:

There was a corner named "Les Grippons" which is a bit like l'Eau Rouge at Spa, but much narrower. This is where you could see who had the biggest balls...and it was the frenchman Lionel Regal, famous for a few vids on the net which was the fastest, taking the corner at 233 km/h with his F3000. He also won the event, after a great battle with the Swiss Eric Berguerand. The most impressive closed cars were the BMW 320 Judd (550 HP) of Georg Plasa, the Mercedes 190 DTM (powered by an ex Brabham F1 Judd) or Reto Meisel and the Delta S4 of Bruno Ianniello and the Porsche 935 of Alain Pfefferlé.

I also saw 2 nasty crash. In the first one, Martin Jermann from the Czech National Team lost his Alpha 147 Cup at about 170km/h and almost put it on the roof, saved by the rails. The second one happened to Marc Fleury, a drifter who only participate to do the show: after a rain fall between the last two legs, he didn't realised a small wet patch would remain under the bridge which cross the track at the Grippons. He was already on opposite lock when the rear wheels touched the wet patch and he lost it completely, hitting the barriers and wrecking his M3.

There were all sort of cars from all ages, from 1.6L group N Clio and Pug 106 to F1 engine powered F3000. It was a lot of fun. :)

I still haven't uploaded my own gallery but you can already find pictures and videos here :
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/

[Scrabby]

Just a quick report from St Ursanne - Les Rangiers.

It was pure madness on wheels :woohoo:

There was a corner named "Les Grippons" which is a bit like l'Eau Rouge at Spa, but much narrower. This is where you could see who had the biggest balls...and it was the frenchman Lionel Regal, famous for a few vids on the net which was the fastest, taking the corner at 233 km/h with his F3000. He also won the event, after a great battle with the Swiss Eric Berguerand. The most impressive closed cars were the BMW 320 Judd (550 HP) of Georg Plasa, the Mercedes 190 DTM (powered by an ex Brabham F1 Judd) or Reto Meisel and the Delta S4 of Bruno Ianniello and the Porsche 935 of Alain Pfefferlé.

I also saw 2 nasty crash. In the first one, Martin Jermann from the Czech National Team lost his Alpha 147 Cup at about 170km/h and almost put it on the roof, saved by the rails. The second one happened to Marc Fleury, a drifter who only participate to do the show: after a rain fall between the last two legs, he didn't realised a small wet patch would remain under the bridge which cross the track at the Grippons. He was already on opposite lock when the rear wheels touched the wet patch and he lost it completely, hitting the barriers and wrecking his M3.

There were all sort of cars from all ages, from 1.6L group N Clio and Pug 106 to F1 engine powered F3000. It was a lot of fun. :)

I still haven't uploaded my own gallery but you can already find pictures and videos here :
http://www.dasracingteam.ch/

those Golf 1's r my favorite :banana: :woohoo:

[herki]

Plasa's Judd BMW is just insane. On courses with much corner his gears are setup so close, that he rarely stays in one gear more than 2 seconds :pillepall

edit: If you want to see some videos of Plasa's BMW: http://www.georg-plasa.de/downloads_videos.htm

[Tomi]

I knew his website but you have to see them in real ! :nod:

Reto Meisel also have a website :
http://www.meisel-motorsport.ch/

[Scrabby]

any videos of Hillclimb crashes??:D

[herki]

I knew his website but you have to see them in real ! :nod:


I know :)
I have been to Eichebühl last year, it may be a bit short at it was soaking wet last year, but it's the only even't near my home ...
But in real-life(tm) it's insane how much louder the prototypes and the formulas are. And the cars with Anti-lag, they are really really loud, if they don't run full throttle :D

[GieTe-R]

Yeah..
He and what lacks me, then just the rout in mountains, the rhodium from initial d. it Was great if they came into being some day such rout, like though one, with 4 possibilities.
On the example normal - hillclimb. reversed - downhill. etc.
[sorry 4 my english]

[Ebolamonkey]

Group B 600hp monster + twisty WRC mountain stage == Ultimate LFS:thumb:

Just play Burns.

[Don]

Just play Burns.
RBR has LFS physics and multiplayer? cool.

[keltern]

it's good, but not LFS good.. :thumb:

[AndRand]

:scratchch imagine Mt. Weissehorn with uphill and downhill tarmac road, with Col de Tourini like pass and a tunnel (as long backstraight) completing a curcuit, and crossing at the pass with dirt junction to make rally and rallycross (thou i havent heard of hillRX) possible :yummy:

:Kick_Can_


even if drifters would use it downhill only :D

[Scrabby]

:scratchch imagine Mt. Weissehorn with uphill and downhill tarmac road, with Col de Tourini like pass and a tunnel (as long backstraight) completing a curcuit, and crossing at the pass with dirt junction to make rally and rallycross (thou i havent heard of hillRX) possible :yummy:

:Kick_Can_


even if drifters would use it downhill only :D

i think it would be cool to drift uphill to :D

[LFSn00b]

:scratchch imagine Mt. Weissehorn with uphill and downhill tarmac road, with Col de Tourini like pass and a tunnel (as long backstraight) completing a curcuit, and crossing at the pass with dirt junction to make rally and rallycross (thou i havent heard of hillRX) possible :yummy:

:Kick_Can_


even if drifters would use it downhill only :DNo, what about Fuji or Akina(if that exists)?

[Patussay]

akina is haruna in the real life, http://www.h2.dion.ne.jp/~eg9/gallery.htm .:tilt:
+1 for the hillclimb and downhill stages too. will be great to do 1vs1 races on a downhill/hillclimb, initial d style :razz:

[keiran]

http://www.dounehillclimb.com/img/doune.wmv

That's a hillclimb course for anyone who doesn't know what they typically are.

[Scrabby]

that could be a FOX or FO8:scratchch

[Shotglass]

http://www.dounehillclimb.com/img/doune.wmv

That's a hillclimb course for anyone who doesn't know what they typically are.

is that a purpose built hill climb course ? most hill climbs i know are usually done on regular roads

[deggis]

And why didn't they make that course just a little bit tighter... :D That's just crazy.

[Panda]

+1

id love to drive my beloved XRT on one.

[Rubenz81]

+1 for a hill climb track, a "Les Rangieres" look alike would be awesome!
Maybe a long and short version would be great so you can have fast on/line races for the people that dont have patience! Or implement in the servers option the possibility to decide the time space between the start of the cars (like 10/20/30 etc. seconds between each car).
Plus in LFS we dont need to restart the cars that are running if a crash occurs; we have spectate button to remove cars!:D

[keiran]

is that a purpose built hill climb course ? most hill climbs i know are usually done on regular roads

Yes as far as I'm aware that is a purpose built course although I couldn't tell you whether it was ever anything before.

edit// Actually it's not. Asked my Dad today when he got back and this is a public road which leads to an estate.

And why didn't they make that course just a little bit tighter... :D That's just crazy.

It's as wide as a Fiesta was how they described the track when my Dad had the rear too stiffly sprung and lost it over a bump, jamming it solid between two barriers. He had the wings made of glass fibre so they had a a bit of a job moving it :tilt: I think he did that towards the end of the run.

That video is the current record holder time.

[StableX]

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd rekindle an old one....

I wondered what the Dev's opinions were on a hill climb course as a future development>?

I think it would be a great addition and something that would be a lot of fun for spectators as well as for participants and server owners/drivers. A totally different skill and really fun to add to LFS. Maybe have ability to reverse and go downhill too.

Thoughts?

[Inouva]

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd rekindle an old one....

I wondered what the Dev's opinions were on a hill climb course as a future development>?

I think it would be a great addition and something that would be a lot of fun for spectators as well as for participants and server owners/drivers. A totally different skill and really fun to add to LFS. Maybe have ability to reverse and go downhill too.

Thoughts?

1.500 post , and you dont see they are already like 15 Thread asking for a hill climb stage or raly stage??

[StableX]

1.500 post , and you dont see they are already like 15 Thread asking for a hill climb stage or raly stage??

Wake up and read what I put..... if I hadn't checked, why would I add to an existing thread rather than start a new one.... Oh hello... you need a coffee ;)

[Costas Athan]

I know it's about 3.5 years since the thread started, and of course developers have their own roadmap for their project, but I couldn't resist the temptation to add my opinion.

If hill climbs and/or rally races were added the LFS simulator would gain much quality!!! First of all I think road courses have thousand times more fun than race tracks and they are the joy of race drivers. Plus that they are often more challenging than a circuit.

And of course as long as there isn't any other new rally simulators out there, it would be good for the popularity of LFS too... (Maybe rFactor offers some solution to sim racers hill climb and rallying needs but it has so many car and track mods that it is almost impossible to find a server with the combination you want in order to race online).Just have a look to the videos bellow and have fun!

BMW Norma M20 3L course de côte (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd1i1ZP3Aec)
mercedes 190 hillclimb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU9mQ7z5JVQ)
Judd V8 10,000 RPM !!! E36 BMW Hillclimb car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGTBWmN41s)
:thumb: on board f3000 berguerand la broque (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIs6kZKRrj4) :thumb:
:thumb: Formula 3000 Street Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XqpfZmUXUM) :thumb:

If you watch them you can easily understand what we are losing without these type of courses included in a simulation game.

[brt900]

i wish there was hill climb it would make a few aspects happy drifters would have a touge track to drift on slightly grippers could hill climb and hill climbers well they hill climb

[Jordan2007]

i wish there was hill climb it would make a few aspects happy drifters would have a touge track to drift on slightly grippers could hill climb and hill climbers well they hill climb
+1

[Costas Athan]

i wish there was hill climb it would make a few aspects happy drifters would have a touge track to drift on slightly grippers could hill climb and hill climbers well they hill climb

Hill climbs and rallying are two major parts of motor racing! It's a pity they aren't also part of LFS...

[NoYPiDRiFTER]

There are rally tracks, not much of them, would be cool to have a rally mountain like in GT2 :P

[ChiliFan]

grippers

Explain why you think drifting requires no grip.

[GenesisX]

I think this is a wonderful idea. But this may change the views of many hardcore racing sim enthusiasts who might think LFS has become some sort of drifting touge thing.

However, I'd like something like this. Sounds wonderful. This with the addition of some best in class physics - engine, would make my day, and ofc keep me from going to school. I'd stick with my PC 24/7.

[Costas Athan]

I think this is a wonderful idea. But this may change the views of many hardcore racing sim enthusiasts who might think LFS has become some sort of drifting touge thing.

However, I'd like something like this. Sounds wonderful. This with the addition of some best in class physics - engine, would make my day, and ofc keep me from going to school. I'd stick with my PC 24/7.

Well, if someone wants to drift he can do it everywhere. He can use the current LFS tracks to do it. I can't see the difference of rally stages or hill climbs.

But in a real rally or hill climb race winner is decided by time; it has nothing to do with drifting.

[mertol]

There is no need to wait the others in multiplayer, instead they can all start at the same time and the others' cars can be seen as ghosts.

[kristis917]

+1 Yes sure i'd love to try out a hillclimb
track on LFS, But i wouldn't want to race in it , because
i prefer driveing against real cars than Time Trials :S

[george_tsiros]

:thumb: Formula 3000 Street Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XqpfZmUXUM) :thumb:



ya know man we two would get along just fine together