Something needs to be done about this...

[RS1T]

Hi im RS1T ive had S2 for a while now, never really took off with racing and got bored as i was so bad at it, so then i discovered cruise servers. Here i found a friendly, relaxing and fun way to play, where there is no pressure on you to be a skilled driver or to have a wheel( i use a kb). In the cruise servers there are lots of fun things like earning virtual money to buy better cars, getting involved in police pursuits. I have made loads of friends in the servers and we like just cruising around the track together without any pressure. SOME people seem to have a problem with cruising ( i wont mention any names but you know who you are). I know it sounds hard to believe but cruisers are now a big part of this game. And the sooner the DieHard Race fans accept that we are just as entitled as they are to make suggestions for the next patch, or insim server suggestions the better. Just browsing around on this forum the second anyone mentions anything about cruising some people (usually the same ones) make comments like 'whats the point in cruise servers delete them all' and 'how sad do you have to be to drive around earning virtual money?' In a thread making a suggestion for cruise servers a moderator suggested that any suggestions to improve the game that was not purely for racing was a waste of dev time. It is NOT as there are a huge amount of cruisers playing, and the cruisers are the customers too, and when the devs update the game it will have new features helpful to all customers, whether they are racers, drifters or even cruisers. My main point is this HUGE negative attitude has got to stop. A forum is supposed to be a place where people can exchange thoughts and ideas (and other things) in a friendly and mature way. But on the cruising front i have seen a lot of unfriendly and childish remarks about Cruisers on this forum. I have seen similar remarks about drifters as well. There are A LOT of people who enjoy the sim for cruising and drifting, and inevitably they bring in a fair chunk of the income for the game, and as our money helps pay for further development of the game, i feel that it is fair that cruisers and drifters should make suggestions and comments about drifting and cruising without getting crap from the racers the whole time.

I DID NOT START THIS THREAD FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE COMMENTS, ON HOW CRUISERS ARE BAD... etc. etc. OR TO START AN ARGUMENT, THIS WAS STARTED TO BRING THE PROBLEM TO THE ATTENTION OF SOMEBODY WITH THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

If you dont have anything constructive to say, please dont post it.

Thanks for Listening

R-S-One-T

[dawesdust_12]

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KTHX!

Don't tell me to go away either, because you asked for constructive things to be said and that's my 2 cents.

Also, nobody has "the power to change it", due to the people being the ones that run the servers, and the people have the attitudes. If you dislike it, suck it up, and stick with your "cruise" filter set to on.

Nobody cares if you're a cruiser so get your head out of your ass. By bringing the attention to yourself, you're even worse than the morons that go "OMG I ARE DRIFTER! U HATE ME LULZ" with no factual basis to back their statements.

IMO - The big reason why cruisers have a bad name, is their incessant need to go "OMG! I HAS SERVER" in every post they have, when all it is, is the default C# cruise server base. Then before that base was posted, all them asking for "insims" which were simply cruise servers.
It just got on peoples tits, making them feel that cruisers were a bunch of power hungry 9 year old twats wanting their own servers so they could drive the best cars without going through the ladders of the more reputable servers such as CLC.

[SidiousX]

Racers FTMFW!

[AjRose]

I'm going to make a comment. Cruisers are bad!

Now to start an argument.. Hmm..

If you dont have anything constructive to say, please dont post it.

You should take your own advice.

[shiny_red_cobra]

I agree with you RS1T, I hate seeing useless remarks made towards cruisers or drifters. This negative attitude has to stop. Drifters have been here ever since LFS 0.1 was released over 5 years ago. Cruisers have appeared more recently, ever since InSim got that major update, but they are also here to stay. As for future updates, I don't think cruisers and drifters have much to ask for, cruisers don't care for physics updates (they only want the red-white barrier bug fixed already dammit!!!), and drifters only want R3 tires on the XRT (which they'll never get). That's about it, so I don't see why any mod would get so worked up about these groups asking for improvements.

Cruisers and drifters are here to stay and I will personally flame the next person who insults them as I too enjoy a good cruise every once in a while.

[pearcy_2k7]

This was built to be a racing sim and is still being built to be a racing sim, if you don't like it, **** off. TAGL :thumbsup:

[richo]

This may have started as a racing sim but now it appears to be all things to all men/woman...

The cruisers dont disturb the racers or the drifters or the rally crossers for that matter, if crusing floats your boat then more power to you.

I think the only reason cruisers/drifters get a hard time as there seen to be lowering the credibility of the sim? Personally i think its a huge feather in LFS's virtual cap that it makes so may different types of simmers/gamers happy.

We should be happy LFS isnt as anal as other sims

[dawesdust_12]

If LFS was as anal as other sims, my arse would hurt.

[[DUcK]]

it is anal as, spend a day with me and bio in the merc stunt division....
:D

[dawesdust_12]

After driving with you yesterday, I'm pretty sure my rear would get rammed rather hard, that is until I got 'horn'y, then I could watch teh DuCkz0rzzzz run away like a scared little girl.

[DeadWolfBones]

This may have started as a racing sim but now it appears to be all things to all men/woman...

The cruisers dont disturb the racers or the drifters or the rally crossers for that matter, if crusing floats your boat then more power to you.

I think the only reason cruisers/drifters get a hard time as there seen to be lowering the credibility of the sim?

The main reason that cruisers and drifters (cruisers in particular) get so much flak is that they continue to request that their concerns be put ahead of those of the racers in the community. This is a racing sim, has been from the start, and the devs have made it very clear that it will continue to be. The devs are not interested in making this a cruising sim (contradiction in terms) or a drifting sim--but if those things come as a byproduct, so be it.

Scawen & Co. have been very insistent on developing their own vision of LFS, and the racers who have been with LFS for the long haul get understandably fed up with the new waves of non-racers who show up and think that they have the right to demand equal consideration (or any consideration, period) for their preferred activities.

[pearcy_2k7]

After driving with you yesterday, I'm pretty sure my rear would get rammed rather hard, that is until I got 'horn'y, then I could watch teh DuCkz0rzzzz run away like a scared little girl.

Meh he seems to always do that when im right up behind him, kinda sprints off like a fat kid running for a donut. :D:razz: wait... rolfcopter :D

[The Very End]

The main reason that cruisers and drifters (cruisers in particular) get so much flak is that they continue to request that their concerns be put ahead of those of the racers in the community. This is a racing sim, has been from the start, and the devs have made it very clear that it will continue to be. The devs are not interested in making this a cruising sim (contradiction in terms) or a drifting sim--but if those things come as a byproduct, so be it.

Scawen & Co. have been very insistent on developing their own vision of LFS, and the racers who have been with LFS for the long haul get understandably fed up with the new waves of non-racers who show up and think that they have the right to demand equal consideration (or any consideration, period) for their preferred activities.

You nailed it sir, well spoken :)

But however, I have nothing against cruise servers, but generally what piss me off is the people on them. They are by far the worst kind of people in LFS, and their attitute is sometimes purely bullshit.

Now, I don't say that this is a stereotype of people driving on cruise servers, I just say that some people there got real issues...

RS1T, I like the way you write, and you got some solid points. Gamers must enjoy a game how they want, without other people telling them that their veiw of gaming is wrong. I see that some people like this idea of driving, and when driving enough you get lisenced and got money enough to buy better cars. It's kind of rewarding.

Now what I wonder about - why not use this on driving instead? If you currently suck at racing, why don't practice pratice practice? You will se BIG improvements, and I'm sure that with some time you can fight for the lead, even with KB! It's just needed to adapt the racing style after what controll you got, even if KB is harder than wheel it should be possible to be equally fast. My point here is, you WILL see improvments, isn't that rewarding to? At the same way as getting new cars and more money?

But again, you bought the game - you chose how to play it :)

[obsolum]

I DID NOT START THIS THREAD FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE COMMENTS, ON HOW CRUISERS ARE BAD... etc. etc. OR TO START AN ARGUMENT, THIS WAS STARTED TO BRING THE PROBLEM TO THE ATTENTION OF SOMEBODY WITH THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT


Well, it's good that you started this thread. I'm sure no one here had any idea that this problem existed. You are absolutely the first one to bring this to our attention.

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[dadge]

snipped i have to agree with you here. but the bashing doesn't stop at cruise/drift threads. it's also usually the same heads dissing hardware, real life cars, game improvements....... basically anything that they don't have/do.

[Huru-aito]

My main point is this HUGE negative attitude has got to stop.

No.

The best way out of your problem would be to start raising your average speed on the cruise servers, and as you learn how to handle your car then you could move up to autocross servers. After a while, I bet you would be in shape to go racing!

[Breizh]

There's a pretty thick line of healthy cohabitation between drift/cruise/race.. There's no good reason for it to be as hard to walk it as so many whiners and flamers seem so bent on pretending.

[Stefani24]

I agree with you RS1T, I hate seeing useless remarks made towards cruisers or drifters. This negative attitude has to stop. Drifters have been here ever since LFS 0.1 was released over 5 years ago. Cruisers have appeared more recently, ever since InSim got that major update, but they are also here to stay. As for future updates, I don't think cruisers and drifters have much to ask for, cruisers don't care for physics updates (they only want the red-white barrier bug fixed already dammit!!!), and drifters only want R3 tires on the XRT (which they'll never get). That's about it, so I don't see why any mod would get so worked up about these groups asking for improvements.

Cruisers and drifters are here to stay and I will personally flame the next person who insults them as I too enjoy a good cruise every once in a while.
I couldnt say it better

[Maelstrom]

I agree with you RS1T, I hate seeing useless remarks made towards cruisers or drifters. This negative attitude has to stop. Drifters have been here ever since LFS 0.1 was released over 5 years ago. Cruisers have appeared more recently, ever since InSim got that major update, but they are also here to stay. As for future updates, I don't think cruisers and drifters have much to ask for, cruisers don't care for physics updates (they only want the red-white barrier bug fixed already dammit!!!), and drifters only want R3 tires on the XRT (which they'll never get). That's about it, so I don't see why any mod would get so worked up about these groups asking for improvements.

Cruisers and drifters are here to stay and I will personally flame the next person who insults them as I too enjoy a good cruise every once in a while.
If it was the case they would cruise on Test drive unlimited on not in LFS. :)

BTW cruising is cool (I like it personnaly) but as already said this game was sold as a racing sim and it would be some kind of betrayal over its first commitment to work in that direction.

I wonder if one day Scavier could sold its physic engine to another game. Would be nice a GTA with LFS engine :p

[marek100]

Hi,
RS1T after all its yours game you pay for it so how you drive and what you doo i dont really care but......."LFS S2 its a serious simulator obviously requires a very good physics simulation to provide the thrill and fun of real racing. This is done by simulating all aspects that are important to racing. LFS S2 is the second step towards our vision of what the sim must become and already does a very good job in simulating real racing. Many racing aspects are covered - comprehensive setup possibilities, fuel usage, tyre wear, a lot of different surface types, intriguing racing environments, different car classes, etc. All these aspects make sure you have enough to practise with and spend time on learning the flow of the tracks. Additionally, don't forget to plan your pitstops - find out how much fuel your car uses on a track and how are your tyres behaving on any track, with your driving style. All aspects you will have to think about in real racing and as such you need to think about them in S2 as well."

:thumb:

[richo]

The main reason that cruisers and drifters (cruisers in particular) get so much flak is that they continue to request that their concerns be put ahead of those of the racers in the community. This is a racing sim, has been from the start, and the devs have made it very clear that it will continue to be. The devs are not interested in making this a cruising sim (contradiction in terms) or a drifting sim--but if those things come as a byproduct, so be it.

Scawen & Co. have been very insistent on developing their own vision of LFS, and the racers who have been with LFS for the long haul get understandably fed up with the new waves of non-racers who show up and think that they have the right to demand equal consideration (or any consideration, period) for their preferred activities.

I dont cruise myself but i can see were the OP is coming from even if he has done it the wrong way. Cruisers seem to be the new Drifters who were the New Oval Guys , if you get my drift (no pun intended) .

I just cant see the point of bagging out the whole genre of crusing/drifting/dragging (nearly forgot those bastards:)) for want of a better word , your just tarring everyone with the same brush.

[The Very End]

i have to agree with you here. but the bashing doesn't stop at cruise/drift threads. it's also usually the same heads dissing hardware, real life cars, game improvements....... basically anything that they don't have/do.

Yepp, some people are too narrow minded to be able discussing with. A forum is where you exchange oppinions, and both negative opinions and positive is accepted. Too bad some people are "fixed" on one beliv, and everything else is wrong :shrug: What's the point with a forum then?

[mcintyrej]

I Hate these threads. The more people that post these threads the more racers hate cruisers. Everyone just shut up posting cruising/drifting threads and the trolls won't be able to bash you anywhere.

[MaKaKaZo]

Many people who play mostly in cruise servers have issues, but the one that don't tolerate cruisers/drifters are the ones that have real issues...

Stop thinking that the line of development is going to change because of a lot of cruisers/drifters asking for their needs to be fulfilled. The devs have very clear in their mind how they want the sim to be, and that's their main goal. After that they listen to what the community asks for, and if they like the idea they do it, otherwise they don't. But that's the order: first come the devs plans, then community requests.

If a bunch of cruisers ask for some changes to develop cruising the devs may like it, but you can be sure they'll be putting racing and hotlapping in the first place of their priority list.

So, don't worry about non-racers and just let them be, no hard feelings. In the end the sim will be what the devs want it to be, not what the majority of users want. It jut happens that the devs usually want the same things in the game as we do!

[jayhawk]

i Hate These Threads. The More People That Post These Threads The More Racers Hate Cruisers. Everyone Just Shut Up Posting Cruising/drifting Threads And The Trolls Won't Be Able To Bash You Anywhere.

Qft!

[SamH]

Yepp, some people are too narrow minded to be able discussing with. A forum is where you exchange oppinions, and both negative opinions and positive is accepted. Too bad some people are "fixed" on one beliv, and everything else is wrong :shrug: What's the point with a forum then?
So then this isn't about cruisers but about completely natural and inevitable aspects of human nature? It sounds like it has nothing to do with LFS at all, and everything to do with turning criticism into something that should be stamped out. I don't see much appeal to that at all.

If someone believes that drifting sucks, that's their belief. If someone believes that cruising sucks, that's their belief. If someone believes that the people that criticise cruising/drifting suck, that's their belief.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and as long as they can justify it by reasoned explanation, and without giving blatant offence, I think they should be able to voice it. In fact I'll go so far as to say that anyone who wants to stamp on other people for their reasoned beliefs should be stamped out themselves.

As for this topic, I can see that it would be reasonable to post the original post in response to something said against cruisers, but it isn't. It's its own thread, so it has no context. I just don't see this mass cruiser flaming that is being claimed going on. I see programmers responding negatively to "i wont u 2 mak me a insim sth 4 cruzin" posts, and I can understand why. But those responses aren't about cruising, they're about the cruisers that are posting the requests. I'd suggest that the OP stop generalising while he's demanding that everybody else stop generalising. Then you can ask people to do as you do, rather than just do as you say (which never gets a good response, trust me).

We don't know Scavier's vision for the future. We don't know Scavier's idea of what LFS should be. I don't get the impression that it's intended to be a cruise sim, but I could be wrong and it could be in the future. I perceive the [cruise] filter as something for racers to filter out the cruise servers, rather than for cruisers to filter out the race servers, but I could be wrong there too.

Scavier call LFS an "online racing simulator", and I take that to mean exactly what it says on the tin. Nobody has a right to demand that they change their vision. Not cruisers, not drifters, not racers. LFS will be what LFS will be, and while ever you don't accept that I truly believe you'll be in conflict generally. You can make your suggestions, expect them to be criticised, and hope that Scavier like your idea (nobody else's opinion actually matters) and that's it, end of. No demands.

[JasonJ]

These forums need a cruise filter. Then ppl can get on with their lives.

Dont use the "C" word and everything will be ok.

LFS is Racing first
Others follow.
Be nice to each other - live long and prosper

[faster111]

you could of email the devs with this post you made instead of making it so bashing can start

[Furiously-Fast]

Not everyone can race good (like me) so Cruise servers are a good option, and I don't see why people should hate them if they don't use them. LFS is still just a sim, not ALL about racing. They made the cruise filter for a reason, so people can use them for fun, or to preactice racing.

People spent £24 on S2. Why don't you let people do what they want? they already spent their cash.

[aoun]

I have two beliefs.

1. RS1T, this is sort of how things are. There are the youngings saying "cruzing sucks" "racing is shit" etc and theres the elderly, mature giving top posts like SamH did. Thats life. There is always mature people, and theres always pricks. The earth has how many billion? and the fact that there are so many different attitudes and personalities on this planet, as well as LFS, how can you expect to be a big forum be so peaceful and constructive? Especially when everyone can have their say. (IE, this forum).

2. I will probably cop something from the next person who posts! :)

[BBO@BSR]

The main reason that cruisers and drifters (cruisers in particular) get so much flak is that they continue to request that their concerns be put ahead of those of the racers in the community. This is a racing sim, has been from the start, and the devs have made it very clear that it will continue to be. The devs are not interested in making this a cruising sim (contradiction in terms) or a drifting sim--but if those things come as a byproduct, so be it.

Scawen & Co. have been very insistent on developing their own vision of LFS, and the racers who have been with LFS for the long haul get understandably fed up with the new waves of non-racers who show up and think that they have the right to demand equal consideration (or any consideration, period) for their preferred activities.

+1
I couldn't say or write it any better.

[The Very End]

So then this isn't about cruisers but about completely natural and inevitable aspects of human nature? It sounds like it has nothing to do with LFS at all, and everything to do with turning criticism into something that should be stamped out. I don't see much appeal to that at all.

If someone believes that drifting sucks, that's their belief. If someone believes that cruising sucks, that's their belief. If someone believes that the people that criticise cruising/drifting suck, that's their belief.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and as long as they can justify it by reasoned explanation, and without giving blatant offence, I think they should be able to voice it. In fact I'll go so far as to say that anyone who wants to stamp on other people for their reasoned beliefs should be stamped out themselves.

As for this topic, I can see that it would be reasonable to post the original post in response to something said against cruisers, but it isn't. It's its own thread, so it has no context. I just don't see this mass cruiser flaming that is being claimed going on. I see programmers responding negatively to "i wont u 2 mak me a insim sth 4 cruzin" posts, and I can understand why. But those responses aren't about cruising, they're about the cruisers that are posting the requests. I'd suggest that the OP stop generalising while he's demanding that everybody else stop generalising. Then you can ask people to do as you do, rather than just do as you say (which never gets a good response, trust me).

We don't know Scavier's vision for the future. We don't know Scavier's idea of what LFS should be. I don't get the impression that it's intended to be a cruise sim, but I could be wrong and it could be in the future. I perceive the [cruise] filter as something for racers to filter out the cruise servers, rather than for cruisers to filter out the race servers, but I could be wrong there too.

Scavier call LFS an "online racing simulator", and I take that to mean exactly what it says on the tin. Nobody has a right to demand that they change their vision. Not cruisers, not drifters, not racers. LFS will be what LFS will be, and while ever you don't accept that I truly believe you'll be in conflict generally. You can make your suggestions, expect them to be criticised, and hope that Scavier like your idea (nobody else's opinion actually matters) and that's it, end of. No demands.

Aww, I can't answer good on that, you totally outtalk me :(

But yes, maybe it's just the human nature itself that is the problem here.
You got a valid point about belivs, since peopel have different point of veiw.
At least, or, well damnit how to say that, anyway - I somehow feel that some people are of this race-boy-fanatics , that goes all out anger on anything alternative to racing. They are totaly impossible to talk with, and whatever of comments you threw at them they will retilate back with "lfs is a racing simulator".

NOW, I see that as a point too, since it's what it is - a racing simulator. But that some people chose to use the game alternatively is a choise for them, why must there be so much tension and hate (why not hug and kisses?) towards anyone that drives the game on a other way than the..what should I call it - racing way.

I ofc have a lot of loyality to Scawen and co, but I think some people are pure fanboys and scawnists, meaning the holy grale itself is that man and if he has said the game is about racing - GOD FORBID that it's going to be used on any other way!

But as you say, we don't know what his thoughts about this is. We know he aims for, and works for, making LFS into a racing sim.
But to be honest I don't think Scawen and co really give a crap on how people play the game (as long they don't cheat etc etc).

Sorry that this text has no good sence or build up, I got hangover and my ass hurt, aswell as a blue eye I have no idea of why, but I hope you understand.

Edit : and yes, I do neighter drift, and have only been online on cruise server for a hour or two, when I was drunk and needed someone to talk with :p

[Victor]

I'm closing this thread because there's no further purpose to it (if there was any to begin with - when complaining you START a thread in a negative sense - how do you expect it turns into something positive I don't know. Probably by being positive yourself to begin with?).