Round 6: Race Report & Penalties

[DeadWolfBones]

Qual:

http://i34.tinypic.com/20utzx0.png

Note that #33 went to the rear for chatting, and #39 lost his fastest lap due to course cutting.

[BenjiMC]

Sorry to #09 if your driver was on track at the time of the kick. I saw the wrong name but did not see your car on track.

You will be given a lap back during the SC period

[Megin]

hmm... shit happens all the time! :(

1. But we also lost some time by reconnecting, leaving. How about more advantage? And u leaves SC very shortly at the track! Everybody restart and we are long way back. That’s not fair for us.

2. Also I’m asking about collision before oval chicane in first green lap? Race incident? Our driver involved is still at the track...

Edit: and we have name set properly, I don't understand problem with our names :shrug:

[Dragonmen]

Time 33min:15sec, restart after SC period, Sector1, T1

We, #33 were hit by unidentified driver :) it was mess down there so I could not see it clear on remote and I don't want to name if I'm not sure...

Also take a look at the pit straight pile up just as SC entered pit...

[BenjiMC]

....

Edit: and we have name set properly, I don't understand problem with our names :shrug:


Yup, from the replay you did, but the connection list didn't show that, also the kick message had your team tags. Thats the reason i didn't see your car on track. I think this is a glitch with LFS. :shrug:

[Megin]

U had to ask our driver to reconect in time of waitnig for start and it will be OK.

[baSh0r]

Lap 32 / J.Valentin #09

Getting Blue flag and blocking our car heavily. I dont want to make a protest i just want to encourage overlapped cars to move over properly.

[r4ptor]

Time 33min:15sec, restart after SC period, Sector1, T1

We, #33 were hit by unidentified driver :) it was mess down there so I could not see it clear on remote and I don't want to name if I'm not sure...

Also take a look at the pit straight pile up just as SC entered pit...


Drive-Through penalty given to car #1, for rear ending and thereby causing the spin.

[rcpilot]

Drive-Through penalty given to car #1, for rear ending and thereby causing the spin.
What!?

I know I was the cause of the slide, but I stopped, intentionally, and gave him the lead, while he recovered and lost 1 or 2 positions, and I then proceeded to get wacked by an out of control car and REALLY spun because of the fact that I backed off and followed behind him. I'm sorry, but that's just BS in my book.

[Starblue]

Notice: the Tracker suffered a disconnection so it's not showing the correct standings anymore.

[Rooble]

Hey Corey sorry for the mini ding @ T1, was not really expecting your madskills line and tried to push down T1. Good battle with you though, had the most fun trying to stick with ya. :thumb:


Wanted to make a protest against Harry Potter (04 car) for our T1 incident that cost me 9 seconds, but I think ill give it a miss, next time just continue on with your regular line and ill try and pass you in a more appropriate place on the track. :tilt:

[DeadWolfBones]

What!?

I know I was the cause of the slide, but I stopped, intentionally, and gave him the lead, while he recovered and lost 1 or 2 positions, and I then proceeded to get wacked by an out of control car and REALLY spun because of the fact that I backed off and followed behind him. I'm sorry, but that's just BS in my book.

While you did give him the position back, you're still responsible for the initial contact, which cost him spots in addition to the one you inadvertently took. The protest is on the contact and the overall effect of the contact--after the initial contact it's up to the affected team as to whether to protest.

[rcpilot]

While you did give him the position back, you're still responsible for the initial contact, which cost him spots in addition to the one you inadvertently took. The protest is on the contact and the overall effect of the contact--after the initial contact it's up to the affected team as to whether to protest.
1. I didn't inadvertantly take any spots, I passed no cars that were on track and made no attempts to block traffic while this went on.

2. Because I was nice about the contact, the overall effect of the contact was me being in a spot I otherwise wouldn't have and getting spun out by someone who had lost it a car width away from me.

I thought penalties were to penalize advantages gained from at fault incidents, put a team on an even keel with someone they disadvantaged. But I guess they're just arbitrary.

/Edit - Oh well, I've said my piece, no way to fix this as usual anyway.

[BenjiMC]

SG for #40 Team Inferno

Repeated cutting in oval chicane, contact with #5 while struggling with damage, and chat.

[Dragonmen]

Time 2h 51min, restart after I believe it was 3rd SC period, T1

#40 hit us (#33)

Please take a look.

[baSh0r]

SG for #40 Team Inferno

Repeated cutting in oval chicane, contact with #5 while struggling with damage, and chat.

ehm you should watch the replay then and give some other guys a stop and go too ;) i agree with contact of #5 and chat but repeated cutting thats just ridiculous

Dragonmen:

Sorry for that even i havent seen this.

[r4ptor]

Time 2h 51min, restart after I believe it was 3rd SC period, T1

#40 hit us (#33)

Please take a look.

Stop and Go penalty handed out to #40. The driver had enough gap and should have been careful and observant about crowded traffic in T1 complex, but instead went in too hot and hit #33.

[DeadWolfBones]

ehm you should watch the replay then and give some other guys a stop and go too ;) i agree with contact of #5 and chat but repeated cutting thats just ridiculous

Three laps in a row you had all four tires in the dirt going into the oval chicane, the last of which caused your major damage.

[Myros]

Car #39 passed car #37 under SC so we lost a lap on the main strait.

[DeadWolfBones]

Car #39 passed car #37 under SC so we lost a lap on the main strait.

Can you give us a lap number? Or which safety car period?

[Myros]

Can you give us a lap number? Or which safety car period?Last SC period.It was lap about 68.

[DeadWolfBones]

Car #39 passed car #37 under SC so we lost a lap on the main strait.

It looks as if there was some confusion as the #39 saw the push car pull into the pits and possibly mistook it for the safety car. Regardless, the #39 passed the #37, seemed to realize his mistake, but then carried on. A spot was taken and not given back, and though it was not a pass for position or a pass that put the #37 a lap down, it still constitutes overtaking under the SC. DT for #39.

[Bawbag]

Was watching as the incident between #39 and #27 happend and I have to wonder what the theory behind it was.

#27 was being lapped and going considerably slower in a flat out peice of the track, (Appearing to be slowing) And not tight to the inside line which definetely says "I'm moving over and slowing to let you by".

:shrug:

EDIT : Lmao, oops :D I thought that DT was given for the blue flag misshap, oooops :D

[Myros]

It looks as if there was some confusion as the #39 saw the push car pull into the pits and possibly mistook it for the safety car. Regardless, the #39 passed the #37, seemed to realize his mistake, but then carried on. A spot was taken and not given back, and though it was not a pass for position or a pass that put the #37 a lap down, it still constitutes overtaking under the SC. DT for #39.
Ok. I was not sure that we lost a lap but I got report that car #39 passed car #37 on SC period.

[DeadWolfBones]

Ok. I was not sure that we lost a lap but I got report that car #39 passed car #37 on SC period.

Yeah, #39 was not the leader at that point, so it was not a pass to put you a lap down. But it is still passing under SC.

Be advised, however, that in the future your drivers should not slow inordinately for the push car. Simply drive in a safe manner and continue past it.

[Myros]

DeadWolfBones[/LEFT];876091]Yeah, #39 was not the leader at that point, so it was not a pass to put you a lap down. But it is still passing under SC.

Be advised, however, that in the future your drivers should not slow inordinately for the push car. Simply drive in a safe manner and continue past it.
When our driver said that car #39 was leading so I thought that we lost a lap due that passing but everything is clear now.:thumb:

[Rudy van Buren]

i wanto apologies to R.Kolz for hitting him while i wanted to overtake him.

i never expected you to com more to the left wenn i was on a point to outbrake you.

im sry that you almost spun.

[MZWiZard]

If I drove 60mins and 3 secs, can my teammate complete the rest?

[Gil07]

Yes, as long as you do over 60 mins its fine.

[Myros]

DeadWolfBones[/LEFT];876091]
Be advised, however, that in the future your drivers should not slow inordinately for the push car. Simply drive in a safe manner and continue past it.Yeah he thought that was a safety car so why he dramatically slow down but when realized that a push car he accelerate but was passed already. He was behind some car so he was not sure what it was safety car or push car. Unlucky situation. Lesson for the future.

[MZWiZard]

Lap 32 / J.Valentin #09

Getting Blue flag and blocking our car heavily. I dont want to make a protest i just want to encourage overlapped cars to move over properly.

Ahem... Your driver did a wild manouver trying to pass outside where not possible. If you look a little further ahead, you will see I give room when its appropriate :smileypul.

If it was me you meant - our car has number 7 :thumb:

[Scott_Michaels]

It's really irritating to see that people still haven't learned how to drive the first lap of a 4 hour race.

[baSh0r]

Ahem... Your driver did a wild manouver trying to pass outside where not possible. If you look a little further ahead, you will see I give room when its appropriate :smileypul.

If it was me you meant - our car has number 7 :thumb:

ok i take it back then :) no offense sorry :)

[rcpilot]

Forgot to check this with so much else going on. #37 drives way wide and runs #01 off the road lap 9 during a re-pass attempt by #01 around the outside in the entrance to the oval sweeper.

[MZWiZard]

ok i take it back then :) no offense sorry :)

All good :)

[R.Kolz]

i wanto apologies to R.Kolz for hitting him while i wanted to overtake him.

i never expected you to com more to the left wenn i was on a point to outbrake you.

im sry that you almost spun.

No problem, Rudy. TDRT #29 was Schleck-driving today, good our Santos managed to escape. :D

[MZWiZard]

22 - R. Dario loses control over his car at his lap 41 (time 1:36:42) after having passed me, making me repass him because I thought he was in the gravel. He regained control though, but being behind me I would let him pass again in the oval section. However, he pushed my car, making it spin at 1:36:52 making me loose at least 10 seconds.

Penalty?

[BenjiMC]

http://files.filefront.com/KY3R+race+4H+2R+25Fmpr/;11233484;/fileinfo.html

Full race replay

[baSh0r]

that was fast benjeh, thx

[DeadWolfBones]

Provisional results (replay run thru tracker @ 8x):

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/932/igtc6pnv4.jpg

Starblue is running it again at 1x speed overnight. After investigating post-race complaints & after I finish my move (Monday/Tuesday) we should have official results & points.

[pearcy_2k7]

Has anyone got a replay please? :)

[r4ptor]

Has anyone got a replay please? :)

Look 3 posts up.

[pearcy_2k7]

Well pointed out sir! Thankyou :D:thumbsup:

[Myros]

Forgot to check this with so much else going on. #37 drives way wide and runs #01 off the road lap 9 during a re-pass attempt by #01 around the outside in the entrance to the oval sweeper.It was me I made a driving error going to deep in that corner and running wide. Unfortunately you were on my left side so I pushed you wide. Clearly my mistake so I want apologize you. I want to do it earlier but I didn't remembered which car number it was I only remembered that was XRR.:shrug:

[BigTime]

It was me I made a driving error going to deep in that corner and running wide. Unfortunately you were on my left side so I pushed you wide. Clearly my mistake so I want apologize you. I want to do it earlier but I didn't remembered which car number it was I only remembered that was XRR.:shrug:

Thanks for the apology! It's just a shame the admins didn't see it this way before they penalized us. :thumbsup:

[Locovich]

22 - R. Dario loses control over his car at his lap 41 (time 1:36:42) after having passed me, making me repass him because I thought he was in the gravel. He regained control though, but being behind me I would let him pass again in the oval section. However, he pushed my car, making it spin at 1:36:52 making me loose at least 10 seconds.

Penalty?

First: i went to the gravel (only 2 wheels not the whole car) because you didn´t slow down in the straight when i was overtaking you (you got blue flag, remember), so i forced the turn as we were fighting for a position and lost braking point.
Second: i thought you saw me on track again, i was expecting you to slow down, we were side to side, you came over me and you know the rest (obviously you didnt see me).
I apologize for the accident, it was quite a confusion....:(

[MZWiZard]

First: i went to the gravel (only 2 wheels not the whole car) because you didn´t slow down in the straight when i was overtaking you (you got blue flag, remember)

So I got blue flag, but you passed me and I didnt need to slow the car down by much, but I did.

so i forced the turn as we were fighting for a position and lost braking point.

Yeah saw that and saw dust coming from your car, assuming it would take you a while to get back on track.

Second: i thought you saw me on track again, i was expecting you to slow down, we were side to side, you came over me and you know the rest (obviously you didnt see me).
I apologize for the accident, it was quite a confusion....:(

At that time, I was clearly in front of you. You were at best at my rear corner not having sufficient overlap to claim the turn-in point - remember I was racing here too (and blueflag means make room when safe) :)

What actually made me comment at all about this incident, is the fact that you didnt even brake - you just kept on pushing my car around. Im sorry to say it - but thats not my definition of racing. ;)

[Locovich]

Well... it was not my intention to hit you, if you´re trying to say that, admins will decide...:x

[DeadWolfBones]

Thanks for the apology! It's just a shame the admins didn't see it this way before they penalized us. :thumbsup:

You weren't penalized for that accident.

[Kardum31]

Was watching as the incident between #39 and #27 happend and I have to wonder what the theory behind it was.

#27 was being lapped and going considerably slower in a flat out peice of the track, (Appearing to be slowing) And not tight to the inside line which definetely says "I'm moving over and slowing to let you by".

:shrug:

EDIT : Lmao, oops :D I thought that DT was given for the blue flag misshap, oooops :DI should issue an apology to the 39 team for this; I was trying to play with the live setting to get my tire temperatures sorted, and wasn't paying the best of attention to my mirrors, so sorry if that damaged your car or gave you a scare. :)

[DeadWolfBones]

Scipy, I think you need to work on graciously accepting apologies. They're not generally supposed to be an invitation for more abuse.

[scipy]

shadap.

[Kardum31]

In response to the removed post: I was only playing with the live settings there because I didn't think there was anyone near me. If I knew you were there, I would have waited until the oval like I did whenever anyone else was behind. But considering your response, I suppose I should also apologize for costing the 39 the win. :shrug:

[DeadWolfBones]

22 - R. Dario loses control over his car at his lap 41 (time 1:36:42) after having passed me, making me repass him because I thought he was in the gravel. He regained control though, but being behind me I would let him pass again in the oval section. However, he pushed my car, making it spin at 1:36:52 making me loose at least 10 seconds.

Penalty?

This is a bit of bad driving from both drivers that results in an unfortunate incident (though certainly not a really bad one, relative to others we saw this race). Dario makes a nice pass into the front straight bend, but has a too-tight line due to being alongside Valentin. This causes him to misjudge the braking for T1, and he runs a little wide. He recovers side by side with Valentin, who continues to race him as they head toward the double left before the chicane. Dario is alongside and perhaps runs a little wide, clipping Valentin's car and sending him into a spin.

This is a racing incident, albeit one that shouldn't have happened. Valentin knew that Dario had caught him pretty easily, knew (or should have known) that he was still alongside him, and still chose to race him through a part of the track where it's generally not a good idea to go side by side. This is a sort of grey area in the blue flag rules (i.e., what do you do when the car that just lapped you makes a slight mistake and you get back ahead?), but I would have liked to have seen Valentin back off rather than force the issue here.

No penalty.