Being alien-like fast , what's the secret?

[Zany]

Hey guys,

I've been playing the demo for a few months now and am rather quick on the BL1- FBM combo. Current PB is a 1.13.12. The problem is tho that I just can't seem to get beyond that. I have watched the WR replay for atleast a billion times. I tried copying his lines and everything but I can't even get under the 1.12. My question is ( and it's not only focussed on this particular combo) What is the trick/secret behind setting a wr, or even a really good time. I know patience + practising is one thing but there must be more than that!

hope to hear from you guys and help me get into the 1.12's :)

Greetings,

Zany

[J@tko]

A hell of alot of practice and skill.

You might be reaching the block where it is actually impossible for you to go any faster, no matter how you try.

Some people just have an amazing nack for driving. Even if i drove Hamilton's car for like a million laps around silverstone, I'd still be slower, just cos I'm a shit driver and he's not :tilt:

[FlintFredstone]

Practice is everything, experimenting with a goal (rather than random) and most important is 'feel' and that only comes naturally and cannot be taught, but i think everybody eventually can get the 'feel' its just to what extent.

Simon

[Stefani24]

For me, 1:13 IS already alien-fast. I can hardly make a 1:16 with the same set.

[Zany]

I think I suffer from being a perfectionist. I have the urge to race all day long just to reach the goal and be the fastest... So Bascially I need to practice even more than 3 hours a day ? :O

[Bean0]

In no particular order...

Raw talent.
Practise.
Use of Exploits :x

[migf1]

Sometimes it helps to take a break and try again after a while. Other times it helps to try the car on different tracks (or other cars in the same track) and return after a while to the combo you are most interested in. Other times it helps to try a completely differenet combo (or combos) for a while before you get back to the one you are interesetd in. Also, it often helps to tweak a bit the setup, in order to bring it closer to your particulal style of driving.

There's not really a formula.

[amp88]

They have more talent than normal drivers. Even with all the time and help in the world we would never be as fast as the true aliens. It's a disappointing/depressing thing but it's true. Practise can only take you so far.

[the_big_n00b]

Consitatsy,not being dumb,and buy a wheel :)

[jayhawk]

Practice, but a lot of it comes down to talent. Some have it, some do not.

I am not talented. I can hold my own on the track, but I will forever be a middle pack finisher, and I am happy with that. If you are happy to aspire to be the best, DO IT.
But, if it immensely frustrates you to no end that you cannot be the fastest, rethink your priorities, or risk being a very unhappy, insecure person.

[Zany]

Well I think I have a slight bit of talent (yeey :P) Just had a go on Fe Green with the FBM and done a 1.05.85 with an in development setup and still learning the track. I thought I'd have a go at it since it would change the routine I have atm ( which is BLGP all the time ...)

[Biohazard]

err... nevermind.

what are you doing at a friends house at 01:17 in the night?

[Zany]

Hmm what do you mean?

[jayhawk]

Well I think I have a slight bit of talent (yeey :P) Just had a go on Fe Green with the FBM and done a 1.05.85 with an in development setup and still learning the track. I thought I'd have a go at it since it would change the routine I have atm ( which is BLGP all the time ...)

World record is 1:04.6...that is pretty good. Me? 1:09. But, I have fun.

EDIT: I cannot believe this went over my head...demo + Fern Bay...

Let the bodies hit the floor.

[Biohazard]

oh, zany, were you playing at home?

[Zany]

I am, what's the problem anyway?

and Jayhawk, I have fun too, trying to get faster and faster :P

[Biohazard]

i did not know Fern Bay Green was available to demo users. :thumb:

edit: that is how it is done. ;)

[Zany]

Oh damn, still logged into my old account. Sorry!

[franky500]

Oh damn, still logged into my old account. Sorry!

Login to your S2 Licenced account please, Duplicate Accounts are not allowed on this forum and when posting Licenced content under a demo account causes alot of questioning and Finger pointing namely towards a user with a Cracked LFS Game.

The Zany account has now been Banned, Please post with your S2 Licenced account in future.

[Rikje]

Here you go. A bit odd getting "banned" for just using my old account but hey, If that's neccesary do it ;).

Hope we can continue with the topic now

[franky500]

Here you go. A bit odd getting "banned" for just using my old account but hey, If that's neccesary do it ;).

Hope we can continue with the topic now

It is something that has to be done. Causes too much hastle otherwise. there are very few exceptions. (and most exceptions have both / all accounts licenced)

Thanks for confirming your Licenced account though.

as for being alien-like fast.. I find the best way is to not try, Its faster to be slower sometimes.

[Rikje]

Hmm do you mean that you can get faster by not focussing on speed that much or something ? That might be a bit of help because I'm constantly thinking "I can gain a few tenths there if a brake a bit later" while I should be focussing on the track ahead instead.

[franky500]

preety much yeah :).

example:

Aston Club XFR, T1, can be done with tyres screaming and a good line at 60mph, but you have to wait for the grip on the exit and you lose any "spare" speed and grip that you might need when in a close race with somebody.

Whereas if you take it at 54 - 56 Mph then you have consistant speed and grip through the entire corner, so your saving your tyres and have all the grip you need for the exit of the corner.

I might be wrong on the exact speeds there... but im sure you get the jist of it. Slow in , Fast out

Although it will still vary massively on your driving style. Although this works for me. It might not do you any good at all. Having said that though, you never know til' you try.

[dev]

Today I shaved a whole second of my PB on the CTRA 1 server (XFG, a South City track, I can't remember exactly which one) by CASUALLY following a racer in front of me :) I didn't even notice how fast I was going until I crossed the finish line...

[Rikje]

I got to admit driving behind a fast guy really improves your times without noticing. I was on CTRA SS1 today racing a good mate of mine. I was really pushing it and eventually got into the 1.40's without too much of a hassle. But before I joined I had to struggle just doing 1.41.2X's. Too bad I'm almost passed that stage because most of the time I'm quicker than the midfield but slower than the REALLY fast guys. Would a league be a good idea to improve my overall speed ? If so got any suggestions on which I could join? ( Preferably on saturday night)

[MAD3.0LT]

personaly im no alien but i found that i wasent exactly that fast i used to do 1:28 with the XRT on Bl but after about 7 months of drifting the car i tryed again and was able to do a 1:24. So many thing can make u faster i find car controle is a major part for me :D

[Forbin]

Concentrate on your line and hitting apexes, not charging into corners.

I've found A Twist of the Wrist 1 & 2 by Keith Code to be very good books about racing on the track. They're geared toward motorcycles but a lot of the basics still apply. I'm sure there are similar books out there for cars.

[jayhawk]

Another thing to ponder about: if you noticed the fastest drivers in the real world, are not really what you would call deep thinkers. Notice how some just gaze off into the distance? They are not being introspective, they are just plain...well, dumb!

So...stop thinking, pretend you are (insert assumed dum dum driver here) and just do it!

[Michel 4AGE]

Sometimes you try too hard and it might actually make it more difficult. Also stick with a set that feels good. Don't change too much. If however you feel the need to change something, change one thing at a time. Make a copy of your base setup and don't change that one so you can always go back to that one if the change(s) are not good. Once you can drive multiple laps at a very consistent speed.. then you're probably driving against the limit of the setup..or maybe yourself.

[Scatter]

Practice is always very important. So is knowing the course.
But what is most important to me is keeping consistancy (which I suck at currently). Only worry about your momentum because a small mistake can mess you up in the following sections and then you have to build that momentum back up again. If you can keep the momentum going, then you can speed up each time since you can take the corners in the same way, but faster.

[ATC Quicksilver]

There is a reason they are called aliens, there is no secret, you can't learn it, you can only get close through practice, but at the end of the day their limits will always be higher.

[Richie Cahill]

I'd like to know the answer to this too.. but not in a BF1 because they bore me to tears...

[Forbin]

FO8 - FE4 Track Guide (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=46131)

/shameless plug

[sanderman2000]

I am not an Alien too, but always trying to get better and faster.
Latly i am around 1-1.5 sec off WR on 2 minutes tracks [Racing XRT mostly]. I must say, that LFS helps me to get better with BMW in real life and vice versa. When i got better with BMW - suddenly i started to feel and "use" XRT in a better way. Last thing was the Setup, that is critical.
Lets say, if your Cambers are -1.5 - there is no chance to make very good time,no matter how you try.
Important thing - not to go too fast[always to keep your entrance speed and exit speed at some level].I mean - not to enter too fast in corner,so that you lose at exit.
The fastest techniqs is "Fast In Fast Out".....what does that mean? That you enter corner with braking in little slide and it slows car down,but at same time you already on the Throttle with Car pointed at right direction.
So it's actually "slow in fast out", but u win Time on entrance too.
The more straight there is after the corner - the more late should be the apex, so the earlier you have to brake [it can shave lots of time].
And in many cases there is very important WHEN to step on the throttle.
For XRT for example, little ammount of throttle makes it more stable.

I dunno if it's possible to get to aliens results, but i think it's possible with time,practice, analyzing and efforts TO BECOME an alien :)
Good Luck

[Scrabby]

I am not an Alien too, but always trying to get better and faster.
Latly i am around 1-1.5 sec off WR on 2 minutes tracks [Racing XRT mostly]. I must say, that LFS helps me to get better with BMW in real life and vice versa. When i got better with BMW - suddenly i started to feel and "use" XRT in a better way. Last thing was the Setup, that is critical.
Lets say, if your Cambers are -1.5 - there is no chance to make very good time,no matter how you try.
Important thing - not to go too fast[always to keep your entrance speed and exit speed at some level].I mean - not to enter too fast in corner,so that you lose at exit.
The fastest techniqs is "Fast In Fast Out".....what does that mean? That you enter corner with braking in little slide and it slows car down,but at same time you already on the Throttle with Car pointed at right direction.
So it's actually "slow in fast out", but u win Time on entrance too.
The more straight there is after the corner - the more late should be the apex, so the earlier you have to brake [it can shave lots of time].
And in many cases there is very important WHEN to step on the throttle.
For XRT for example, little ammount of throttle makes it more stable.

I dunno if it's possible to get to aliens results, but i think it's possible with time,practice, analyzing and efforts TO BECOME an alien :)
Good Luck

not true, like MANY people out here said: It's something u were born with, that extra piece of talent like M.Schumacher, Senna, Hamilton etc.. was born with. You just have to been the lucky to be born with. U can be very fast or be very very fast and that last is just something you (not meaning YOU, but in general) just can't make.

[MijnWraak]

Another thing to ponder about: if you noticed the fastest drivers in the real world, are not really what you would call deep thinkers. Notice how some just gaze off into the distance? They are not being introspective, they are just plain...well, dumb!

So...stop thinking, pretend you are (insert assumed dum dum driver here) and just do it!
You mean nascar drivers right? (gets flamed by oval / nascar fans for having a bad sense of humor)

I block the stuff in the real world out and usually am faster. Sometimes i Shift n to block the noise from LFS and am pretty consistant (somehow)

Music always helps, i guess.


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[The Very End]

All it needs is a lot of practice. I don't think there is any extra "giftet" people in LFS, but they have played more, know more about the game, and genereally know much more than the other's how the car reacts and they suits setups for their driving style.
Specially that last one is important, a fast set doesn't work for every driver, you need a setup that is good with YOUR racing style.

[Hyperactive]

Millions of laps of practise will never get anyone anywhere if the said person is not able to see where he can gain time, get better. There are numerous examples of this, just look at the people who have done zillions laps on AS3/GTR or FOX/AS2 etc.. These guys have literally thousands laps done there yet they can only be consistently few secs off the wr. Naturally in sim environments certain things are more important than in real life but the raw speed element is the same in both. It's defenately a skill to be able to go fast and it's very easy to see how has it and who does not.

If anything, that is a "gift" or skill, something you are defenately born with. I'm not saying proper training or upbringing wouldn't help but in the end it's all in the genes. Just look at Ralf and Michael Schumacher.

As for exploits, imho, that's a bit dirty way of saying you're only faster because you cheat. If anything, exploits are kinda natural progression of that "going fast" -skill. Not lifting while shifting is just all about looking at the consequensies if you are looking at it speed-wise. The same it was with the high-nose setups. You find something because you are able to look for it and you are then able to use it fully.

A raw skill is that a person can get very close to wr on most tracks with just very little laps and that is something you can not learn, you can just improve towards it while most of the time still not getting there.

[HVS5b]

There is a reason they are called aliens, there is no secret, you can't learn it, you can only get close through practice, but at the end of the day their limits will always be higher.

Nail on head.

It's instinct. Nothing you can learn.

Yes you can improve massively thru practice and technique, but imo that last few % is down to instinct, gut feel, call it what you like :)

[migf1]

I think it's a little bit of both, talent and practice! Neither one alone is good enough!
Even if you are talented and can move fast within a few laps in an uknonwn combo, without practicing your talent you won't be able to "eat" those tenths needed to beat that damn wr (or move consistently around it).
And vice versa, if you are less talented (but you still have some talent) you can make up by practicing hard.
In all cases, patience & persistance usually pays off :)

[Rikje]

Hmm that instinct you guys talk about is probably it. But what if I try to change my driving style a bit ? At the moment ( I mainly drive the SS'ers) I try to push but not too hard, but when I do try to go beyond my own a limits most of the time I end up with a pb. So what if I just try pushing even more beyond my current limit? Wouldn't that gain those extra tenths?

[LiveForBoobs]

U should be able to get into 1.12's even without being an alien... how long ago was your PB made?

I never believed i could do 1.33 with xfg bl1, and i ended up doing 1:33:2x (before the patch that changed BL1).

I also never believed i could do 1.13.low and my pb was 1.13.12 with FBM BL1. So yeah, it takes time. I also found out that i beat my pb's more easily when racing online with people watching, putting pressure on the performance. I remember some days where i spent hours hotlapping without a single decent time. Then at the evening i raced for a few minutes and beat my PB... twice. :)

[ATC Quicksilver]

Hmm that instinct you guys talk about is probably it. But what if I try to change my driving style a bit ? At the moment ( I mainly drive the SS'ers) I try to push but not too hard, but when I do try to go beyond my own a limits most of the time I end up with a pb. So what if I just try pushing even more beyond my current limit? Wouldn't that gain those extra tenths?

You should always push beyond your limit, simply because you might find your limit is actually higher than you think. Try not to do it when you are in the middle of a big race though. Remember that the fastest drivers have the biggest crashes, especially with the single seaters, because they lure you in by being a bit forgiving, then just spit you into a wall.

[bunder9999]

For me, 1:13 IS already alien-fast. I can hardly make a 1:16 with the same set.

me too, my fastest fbm bf1 lap is 1:22.5, fo8 1:11.9 :shrug:

(and i thought i ripped it pretty hard too)

[baSh0r]

only secret of beeing alien fast is talent, endurance and the ability to know what you are doing wrong and how to do it right.

[The Very End]

I should be a alien, but instead I'm a alien n00b.
I know what I do wrong, but I do them everytime tho lol...

Like wrong gearing - does it all time, too late braking - does it all time, beeing an asshole - doing it all time.

Checking..

Congratulation, you trully are a n00b asshole

..


:(

[sanderman2000]

Funny the Very End :))) Since you joined "n00bs" you like to be calling by the team name,ahh ? :D

As in Initial D was said smart: "Talented racer will progress faster than usuall racer to get same results". But both practicing and talent needed to get good results.
So here i am asking one question, and it's my goal:
You saying "Talented people see the line,know how to drive fast and where to get better times", right, agreed. But can i learn it ??? By watching WR's for example, by trying and racing with the best.
I agree,Alien-borned people will reach WR very fast by practicing.
As we all know - in each period we have a "wall" in results,that we can not pass. But passes some time, you learn something new,using it - and making new PB, then stuck again.
With watching current Best racers and comparing+analyzing is it possible to "feel" lines like they do ? To learn their smoothness, train braking etc, is it possible to learn with time?

Thats the question,that i am searching answer for...
Talent is great, talented people can progress faster...
But can very motivated racer with alot of "Smart" practice - reach the WR?

[migf1]

[snip]
Thats the question,that i am searching answer for...
Talent is great, talented people can progress faster...
But can very motivated racer with alot of "Smart" practice - reach the WR?
Unless they seriously lack talent, yes they can. But it may take time! Accumulated experience along with observative thinking always helps.

[The Very End]

I have allways been a n00b, that's why it's so great I am in the [noobs] team now :D And yes, beeing pointed and laughed on, aswell scream "YOU F*KING C**T N00B" on servers is a blast! :D

[BastianB]

i´m not the fastest too, (always 2-3 sec. from wr) and i need little much time to get used to some new combo but i have fun while driving and this is enough for me :shrug:

i think its just something you get when you are born, you have to live with the fact that there are people you don´t have a chance against.

[Rikje]

I think I've found the problem really. I have always used the more understeery sets ( even the ones I made) but now I use a more oversteer setup and I get much closer to fast times now. Just set a 50.17 at So2R, wr is 49.70. Not too bad I guess

[ghost racer]

I dont really pay attentions to WR's or anything.. But I've noticed in race I hold a good time but hot lapping I can't get crazy good times like other people. depending on the length of the track I'm like 1-3 seconds off (even more sometimes).

I'm not big with the BF1 or anything.. I like working with body roll and less griping tires. feels more like track racing to me.

If I do hotlap I wear down tires like in 3-5 laps. :shrug:

[Rustic-Imposter]

A little off topic, but how does everybody know the WR?
is there a thread somewhere with all the records and what not? I'd love to watch some of the replays, so if someone could tell me where they are i'd be grateful.

Oh and i don't believe natural talent is everything, it just reduces the amount of time it takes before you hit that time your chasing.

[Bean0]

A little off topic, but how does everybody know the WR?
is there a thread somewhere with all the records and what not? I'd love to watch some of the replays, so if someone could tell me where they are i'd be grateful.

Oh and i don't believe natural talent is everything, it just reduces the amount of time it takes before you hit that time your chasing.

The WR replays are downloadable from LFSWorld.

You can check the WR in game as long as you are online and not single playing by typing "/w wr" in the chatbox, it is CTRL+F8 by default.

[The Moose]

Just remember to take into consideration that most WR's are set on very specific hotlap setups with soft tires. Quite often the suspension will be wrecked after 1 or 2 laps with these setups.

These times can very rarely be achieved in race conditions. If you can get to within .5 seconds a mile of WR pace in race trim your doing bloody well.

[flyingripper]

u can never become an alien. god knows i've tried :P but at some point really fast guys have to admit that they'll never become aliens. im not one, but watever. i will still chase and keep trying, as most guys will when theres a carrot within their grasp.

aliens have that natural ability....the fact that i have to work on it, work on a setup, watch a replay......that makes me a non-alien. theres no secret to alienness, they just understand dynamics of going fast, when we have to sit and think abt it.

[danthebangerboy]

i am sure that i will never be known as super fast, simply because im not that good at it! I have found one thing in common with what others have said though, if you try too hard, you will fcuk it up. just enjoying it and not constantly trying to be quick has helped me. I have a good example of this that happened to me a few weeks back. I often race in the banger servers, which are a short oval layout. The 'top boys' are setting 12 seconds laps in an xfg on there. I had tried and tried to get faster which resulted in hitting the fence, rolling over, losing control and things like that. On the occasions that i could actually stay on my wheels the best i could get was late 15 or early 16 second laps. I was trying as hard as i could and i was just pushing too hard at it and making mistakes. One night i went into the server and there was only one other car in there. I had a few fun races with him just going round, letting eachother overtake and trying to catch eachother up again just for fun. I saved a couple of the replays and i found that i had done a whole race with times between 13 and 14 seconds, my worst lap being 14.43 but my best was 13.06! I hadnt even been trying, or in fact looking at the lap times at all. i only saw it by watching the replays back. The only thing i can think that made this happen, was that because i wasnt thinking about trying to be faster, i actually drove better.

[Chrisuu01]

I know im also one of the slower guys but im not fatser when i try to push realy hard im at my best when i feel confidend in the car.
I want to be feeling that the car wont do thing i dont expect like sudden understeer in a corner.
Becaus when i dont feel good about the car i realy suck

I also have to feel sort of relaxed and that al wil go good when im to tence my driving suffersfrom it i can easly be forced into a kstake when im tence
so when u see me fighting hard for places im focused but calm

@ dantebangerboy

Pleace put some spaces in your text you make it even harder to read

[migf1]

Practice is not to get underestimated when we are talking about "alien like fast". All the top guys have a huge mileage under their belt.

[xaotik]

All the top guys have a huge mileage under their belt.

And here I was thinking it was a beer belly.

[Crashgate3]

The difference between an alien and just a very, very fast driver is that the alien doesn't really need to think about what they're doing (as much). They're lucky enough to be born with the kind of brain that just naturally is wired up to be good at the kind of reactions you need for motor-racing.

Obviously practice is absolutely neccesary, but an alien will always be faster than a non-alien simply because for the alien a part of driving is subconcious and so the reaction to a given stimulus is always faster and more accurate.

Lewis Hamilton is a pretty good example of an alien. He's had far less practice than the other more experienced drivers, but he just 'gets it' and so is far quicker than most of the others can ever be.

[migf1]

And here I was thinking it was a beer belly.

That too (in the lack of proper... champane :D)

[migf1]

The difference between an alien and just a very, very fast driver is that the alien doesn't really need to think about what they're doing (as much). They're lucky enough to be born with the kind of brain that just naturally is wired up to be good at the kind of reactions you need for motor-racing.

Obviously practice is absolutely neccesary, but an alien will always be faster than a non-alien simply because for the alien a part of driving is subconcious and so the reaction to a given stimulus is always faster and more accurate.

Lewis Hamilton is a pretty good example of an alien. He's had far less practice than the other more experienced drivers, but he just 'gets it' and so is far quicker than most of the others can ever be.
Not true, I'm affraid. Even Lewis is racing since his childhood!

[Darkone55]

Practice is not to get underestimated when we are talking about "alien like fast". All the top guys have a huge mileage under their belt.

That means you need a lot of practise to be quick. But it doesn't mean that a lot of practise makes you quick.

[zeugnimod]

Practice is not to get underestimated when we are talking about "alien like fast". All the top guys have a huge mileage under their belt.

But you can normally see quite fast if someone is an alien/very fast or "just" average.

I quote Bawbag: "The first day I got beaten by zeugnimod, the second day I raced with him, the third day I beat him."

And this is true. :D

[Leprekaun]

well, I have very much the same feeling but really, you're not doing enough to reach their level ;). Personally, I built up most of my speed from just driving constantly and understanding more and more about the limits of grip and how to manage it correctly. There are 2 other factors to consider as well or to look into and they're telemetry and setup. Even though you may have the WR set, doesn't necessarily meant that it suits your style so you'd have to tweak it a bit more to your liking. Telemetry is also really really good and I'm intent on getting into properly as telemetry tells you exactly where he's gaining time on you so try and get a program like F1 Performance Viewer or AnalyzeForSpeed as they're very good for that kind of thing.

And then at the end of the day, pure speed isn't the only thing that separates winners from losers, theres also consistency, race craft and strategy. You can race with a guy who can get a 1:12.5 on his 2nd lap but get like 1:13s or 1:14s on his other laps and when compared to someone who can constantly get low 1:13s or something, then they'll most probably find it fairly easy to overtake.

[Storm_Cloud]

Yeah, racecraft is very important, especially in league racing. Always try to be faster than the smart guys and smarter than the fast guys.

[migf1]

That means you need a lot of practise to be quick. But it doesn't mean that a lot of practise makes you quick.
So very true! Still, practice remains essential for being "alien fast"!

[migf1]

well, I have very much the same feeling but really, you're not doing enough to reach their level ;). Personally, I built up most of my speed from just driving constantly and understanding more and more about the limits of grip and how to manage it correctly. There are 2 other factors to consider as well or to look into and they're telemetry and setup. Even though you may have the WR set, doesn't necessarily meant that it suits your style so you'd have to tweak it a bit more to your liking. Telemetry is also really really good and I'm intent on getting into properly as telemetry tells you exactly where he's gaining time on you so try and get a program like F1 Performance Viewer or AnalyzeForSpeed as they're very good for that kind of thing.
It can also work the other way around. Instead of adopting the setup to your driving style, you can adopt your driving style to the given setup. Both ways can be equally effective, depending on which side of the alien river you live on.

And then at the end of the day, pure speed isn't the only thing that separates winners from losers, theres also consistency, race craft and strategy. You can race with a guy who can get a 1:12.5 on his 2nd lap but get like 1:13s or 1:14s on his other laps and when compared to someone who can constantly get low 1:13s or something, then they'll most probably find it fairly easy to overtake.

Hotlapping and racing are two differnet worlds. True aliens, are all around aliens (like ray for example) who can cope with anything, anywhere, anytime. But to reach this level, natural talent is not enough... you must have practiced a lot, and I mean a lot and for a long time (talent+experience).

[Forbin]

Recently, I've found that I've spent sooo much time racing open-wheelers and have become so in-tune with them that I'm now utterly useless in anything else. I'm just so used to the knife-edge handling and responding to the smallest slide that, when I get in something that slides more gradually, it just gets away from me.

[Darkone55]

Recently, I've found that I've spent sooo much time racing open-wheelers and have become so in-tune with them that I'm now utterly useless in anything else. I'm just so used to the knife-edge handling and responding to the smallest slide that, when I get in something that slides more gradually, it just gets away from me.

I had the same. But now I'm trying to focus more on GTR's and roadcars, and I'm already doing some wr splits here and there, so it's slowly coming back. :razz:

[Crashgate3]

Not true, I'm affraid. Even Lewis is racing since his childhood!

Yes, but my point is so have most of the other drivers who have *years* more experience than him who he still runs rings round. Lewis 'has it' wheras they do not (well, not as much, they're still pretty damn skilled or they wouldn't be in an F1 car, but you can see what I'm getting at).

[MaKaKaZo]

Why is eveybody trying to figure out something that is so clear? Like giving metaphysical explanations and such about practice and stuff...

There are people that have been practising for tons of hours, know every car, every track, have watched other people's replays hundreds of times... and they're not even within the 103% benchmark. Why? Because they CAN'T do better. Those "anti-aliens" seem to be perfectly fine, no one asks "why are these people so slow if they practice so much and so hard?"

Well, aliens are the same. They're just people that are very good! No one can practice and get beyond their limit. Alien's limit is just further than most people. That's it.

All the fuss about aliens is generated but the word itself. When people start using the word "alien" the rest of the people start thinking about guys that are different to the rest. Well, I'm sorry to disappoint you but they as different from a guy who can do a 100.10% from their WR than you are compared to your teammate that always does 100.10% of your time (given you are an average racer).

Where's the line that tells who's an alien and who's a very fast driver? I'll tell you: there's no line.

Think of how many people there could be out there that may be faster than the aliens we know but they just don't play LFS. What would those be?

[migf1]

[snip]
There are people that have been practising for tons of hours, know every car, every track, have watched other people's replays hundreds of times... and they're not even within the 103% benchmark. Why? Because they CAN'T do better. Those "anti-aliens" seem to be perfectly fine, no one asks "why are these people so slow if they practice so much and so hard?"
[snip]

They must be retarted or something! Even if they exist, I bet they are just a tiny minority of people.
I seriously doubt that any average talented driver cannot reach the 103% of a wr in a given combo despite practicing tons of hours on that combo, as you say.


Think of how many people there could be out there that may be faster than the aliens we know but they just don't play LFS. What would those be?
We don't care about them. Here we are discussing about those who do play LFS. With your way of thinking, think of how many people could be out there that could be faster than Ayrton Senna but they just weren't racing in Formula 1.

[BlueMile]

Put on a green latex suit, a satellite dish on your head; boot up LFS and there you are. You may not be fast, but you will certainly be alien.

[migf1]

Put on a green latex suit, a satellite dish on your head; boot up LFS and there you are. You may not be fast, but you will certainly be alien.
Where's that... dish? :D

[MaKaKaZo]

I seriously doubt that any average talented driver cannot reach the 103% of a wr in a given combo despite practicing tons of hours on that combo, as you say.

The point is that not every LFS player is an "average talented driver", there are people who are just very slow! And they train a lot, trust me!

[migf1]

The point is that not every LFS player is an "average talented driver", there are people who are just very slow! And they train a lot, trust me!
You mean people with normal IQ, good health and average rig, keep practising for example xfg@so2 let's say 3-4 hours a day, for 7 days, with an inferno/setupgrid setup and they cannot produce a 1.05.137? (that's the current 103% from the wr in that combo)

I'm really having serious trouble beleiving such a thing!

[patrese]

as for being alien-like fast.. I find the best way is to not try, Its faster to be slower sometimes.

lol franky,
how would you know?:D

[HVS5b]

I seriously doubt that any average talented driver cannot reach the 103% of a wr in a given combo despite practicing tons of hours on that combo, as you say.

I dunno about that, may I refer you to FE4R in the LX6.

As it is one of the MHR and in one of the trickiest cars to drive fast, getting inside that benchmark is really difficult (for me anyway, and I'm as average as they come :tilt:)

[Bawbag]

Practice is not to get underestimated when we are talking about "alien like fast". All the top guys have a huge mileage under their belt.


Rambojorgen :)

Check his stats. :)

[evilpimp]

Heh that reminds me of Devil Z... The first day I give him a drift set and show him how it goes a little. Second day we get some crazy battles, then races. Third day he is a friggen alien and the next week or 2 he already had the WR with the XRT @ BL1R. O_O What an alien that guy is.

[AMB]

Rambojorgen :)

Check his stats. :)

is that the guy from first, J.Niemen or something? if so he's not new that's his second account.

kthxbai

[zeugnimod]

is that the guy from first, J.Niemen or something? if so he's not new that's his second account.

kthxbai

Look who's talking. :D :razz:

[Biohazard]

shhh zeugni, at least he definitely knows what he is talking about. :tilt:

[Bawbag]

is that the guy from first, J.Niemen or something? if so he's not new that's his second account.

kthxbai


Whats the first account then sherlock? :shy:

[Rudy van Buren]

is that the guy from first, J.Niemen or something? if so he's not new that's his second account.

kthxbai


yea you should now how it is to keep the secret right mbah,

so if you blame him say with what aswell then

[traxxion]

is that the guy from first, J.Niemen or something? if so he's not new that's his second account.

kthxbai
Hahaha, excuse me?

[Bawbag]

The last two posts were me btw, on my 2nd and 3rd account. :tilt:

[Rudy van Buren]

The last two posts were me btw, on my 2nd and 3rd account. :tilt:

See now im on my other account again :shy:

[traxxion]

The last two posts were me btw, on my 2nd and 3rd account. :tilt:
Liar! You are actually me, so that makes me alien-like fast then, right, right? :shrug:

Edit: seriously though, not sure where Sherlock got that knowledge from but I would sincerely like to hear his suggestion for the second account of mr. Nieminen.

[Bawbag]

Liar! You are actually me, so that makes me alien-like fast then, right, right? :shrug:


Well if you are me then we are both alien fast then right, right?

[traxxion]

Well if you are me then we are both alien fast then right, right?
Deal.

[Rudy van Buren]

hahah, whose next :shy:

[Priitmek]

Hi.

[pearcy_2k7]

:D Sherlock...

What happened with speedo messy? http://antkillingghostofsparta.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/speedos-peter-stringfellow1.jpg

Quick before mod sees!

[AMB]

Ignore my post.

[ATC Quicksilver]

MaKaKaZo is right, and something that happens as a result of people calling other racers "aliens" is that they treat them as if they are not human. In some peoples eyes, "aliens" are not allowed to make mistakes, they can't say or do the wrong things, because they are perfect. So when they do make mistakes, or do something wrong, then they are crucified for it. Friendly banter is fine, but it's when you sense that people are waiting for you to make a mistake that it becomes bad. I gave up taking part in any kind of LFS league since I encountered it, I lack the ability to detatch myself from that kind of thing and I take it personally, because I'm human, not an "alien".

[pearcy_2k7]

Meh i have high expectations if someone says "alien" to someone, i personally wouldn't class you as alien quicksilver just better than average.

Even though i don't really use the word alien, id class aliens as the bawbag's, norbi's, jay's, (theres more i cba naming)

[AMB]

Meh i have high expectations if someone says "alien" to someone, i personally wouldn't class you as alien quicksilver just better than average.

Even though i don't really use the word alien, id class aliens as the bawbag's, norbi's, jay's, (theres more i cba naming)
rudy, scipy, those lot,

[ATC Quicksilver]

Meh i have high expectations if someone says "alien" to someone, i personally wouldn't class you as alien quicksilver just better than average.

Even though i don't really use the word alien, id class aliens as the bawbag's, norbi's, jay's, (theres more i cba naming)

I agree with you about that, I don't even class myself as above average in terms of ability, and it's a label I would like to avoid, as you could probably tell from my post.