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SRR Marty

12th July 2008, 22:26

Hello Racers,

After the great success of last years 16 hours of Aston Historic, which we have hosted on 3 servers with 4 different classes, we decided to come back and continue the 16 hours races with another fine event in 2008. So for this year the track we will race will be Kyoto GP long, and i am hereby inviting you to join and race with us on this event.

watch the incredible Trailer (http://16h.esports-gaming.net/index.php?id=10280837&bereichid=42&modul=content)

The facts:

Date: 25. October 2008
Start: 20:00 EDT (which is 18:00 UTC)
Qualifying Start: 18. October 2008 14:00 EDT (12:00 UTC)
Qualifying End: 19. October 2008 22:00 EDT (20:00 UTC)
Servers: maximum 4 (30 teams per server -> 120 teams -> 480 drivers)

The cars:
GT-1 (GTR-class FZR-XRR-FXR)
GT-2 (restricted GTR-class FZR-XRR-FXR)
N-GT (FWD-class XFR-UFR)
The slots are limited to 40 cars per class.

There is a maximum of 4 drivers per car allowed.

We are planning to broadcast the race via livestream. More facts about this to come in the future.

here is the full rules and regulations book (http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=12)
here you can sign up for the race (http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=2)
here is a list of teams already signed up (http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=11)
This is the 16-Hour-Race Website (http://16h.esports-gaming.net) (only in german atm)

Before signing up you need to register in the forum.

Sueycide_FD

14th July 2008, 15:27

im sure i won't be consistent enough let alone fast enough, so i'll be shouting at my screen during the broadcast :tilt:

Gil07

14th July 2008, 15:53

You need to login to view the rulebook :(

SRR Marty

14th July 2008, 17:57

oh im sorry...

here it is :

1. General

1.1 The ultimate goal is a fair race. Therefore, we expect every driver to have an adequate race-preparation, knowledge of the rules, prudent behaviour on the track and the willingness to pull back in a delicate situation rather than forcing an overtaking maneuver or causing an accident. All drivers have to respect each other! The intentional crashing into other cars is strictly prohibited.

1.2 The use of tools is allowed as long as they do not influence the driving (LFS Companion or LFS Relax is allowed). Using the LFS playerhacker is prohibited.

1.3 The race will be driven with the current version which is available for download when logging in on the master server (although this happens shortly before the race). If for any reason the not automatically downloaded version will be driven, participants will be informed.

1.4 The driving perspective can be chosen freely. There is no forced cockpit view! The driver's side is freely chosen (must have to be decided on which side you drive before qualifying).

1.5 There are three different categories of cars: GT-1 (FXR, FZR, XRR), GT-2 (FXR, FZR, XRR) and NGT (XFR, UFR)). The GT2 class is handicaped by air-restriktor, as follows:
FZR: 20%
FXR: 25%
XRR: 27%
During the qualification and the race, the drivers have to use the following names:
For the GT1 class start number in green
For the GT2 class start number in red
For the NGT class start number in blue
The start number and the name separates a hyphen in white. Likewise, the name in white with the initial of first name and the surname.
Example: 007 - J. Bond
The maximum number of drivers per team is 4.

1.6 If a driver has such a bad connection to the server before the race that he constantly looses the connection and/or pulls other from the server the racemarshals can decide to exclude this driver from the race. In this case the person concerned should immediately leave the server not to delay the race even longer. If you notice in the race that you start to lag, you should not risk the other drivers with unnecessary actions such as close overtaking.

1.7 The race ends, when the race leader crosses the finish-line after the race time has expired. Only the drivers who cross the finish line behind the leader have reached the goal. If you cross the line after the time has expired, but in front of the leader, you have to drive another lap to finish the race. Parking on the track (for example, at the end of the race to avoid driving one more lap) is prohibited.

1.8 If a driver is leaving the race, or stops on the track (disconnect, flip-over, out of fuel etc.) the car can immediately join the race again, but with the penalty of 1 lap. Either the current driver or another signed in driver of the car can join the race again.

2. Skins

2.1 The vehicles have to attach their start numbers on the left and right side of the car. The 16h Skin template for each category of vehicle has to be used which can be downloaded.

2.2 Only skins which which are in accordance with the rules and regulations on http://www.lfsworld.net/ in my online car-skins are accepted. The skin must be uploaded to http://www.lfsworld.net/ and here in the forum so that all can download it.

2.3 The teams and drivers are responsible for their skins and for the purposes of copyright law used by sponsor logos. The race directors assumes no liability for breaking the copyrights by the publishing of interactive advertising on pictures or videos that may arise.

3. Procedure

3.1 Training

3.1 The server always runs with the track wich will be driven in the race. There is no set training times, each driver can do training rounds as much as he wants to. During the training the chat on the server is allowed.

3.2 Qualification

3.2.1 The qualification phase comprises a total of 32 hours, starting on 18 October 2008 at 14:00 EDT (12:00 UTC) and ends on 19 October 2008 at 22:00 EDT (20:00 UTC).

3.2.2 The number of laps in the qualification is limited to 60. Only one driver per vehicle can drive the qualification. For each lap driven too much, there is a penalty of one second to the respective fastest qualifying time of the car. The decisive factor is the evaluation of the lappers.

3.2.3 For the sake of fairnis, drivers on the outlap have to stay off the ideal line.

3.2.4 Blue Flags in the qualification must be respected (there are only blue flags for drivers on the outlap shown). The yellow flags are dealt with like in the race.

3.2.5 Cutting in the qualification is prohibited. There always have to be at least two tyres on the track. During the qualification a layout will be set by the race directors, which avoids cutting at the neuralgic points. The cars touching a pole with the front side are defined to be cutting. Cars who are caught cutting will receive a time penalty of 5 seconds on the qualification time.

3.2.6 Each driver is responsible to save a replay of his fastest qualifying time, and to give it by request of the race directors for consideration. If a driver has no replay recorded, he will start off automatically from the last starting position in its class. The race directors will sight at least 15 randomly chosen replays (depending on the number of registered vehicles).

3.2.7 During the qualification there are only lappercommands, "cries for help" (like: I need an admin (or someone else) in TS), greetings and goodbyes allowed. Talks (regardless of what topic) have to be done in the TS or otherwise.

3.2.8 Cars who missed the qualification may still participate in the race, but off the last position of their class.

3.3 Race

3.3.1 The race starts on Saturday October 25, 2008 at 20:00 EDT (18:00 UTC) and lasts 16 hours.

3.3.2 The race will start via flying start behind the pacecar. During the introductory round, a general speed limit is set and overtaking is prohibited. The race will start with the showing of the green flag.

3.3.3 Cutting is not allowed. If you have to cut a chicane (skidding/ missing braking point / crash / avoid a crash etc.) it must be followed by giving back the positions you have won to all the disadvantaged.

3.3.4 Blue Flags have to be respected immediately after the first showing. When a yellow flag is shown you should (not have to) release the accelerator. If there is an accident at Yellow (whether crashing into a car (trigger for yellow) or causing a new accident for example by driving onto one who released the accelerator) there is a warning for those who did not slow down.

3.3.5 Cars who want to get back on track after an accident have to watch the oncoming traffic, and if necessary wait for a gap to continue. If you try to reach the pits after an accident, then you have to stay off the ideal line.

3.3.6 Turning on the track (to get back in the right direction) is allowed as long as nobody is blocked or compromised. The reset (on the Space key) is turned off on the server.

3.3.7 After a flip over, means if you are on the roof or on the side and no longer in motion, or stop on the track out of fuel, you immediately have to shift +p or Shift + S to clear the accident site. A new participation is immediately possible with the deduction of 1 lap.

3.3.8 During the race chatting is absolute prohibited, starting as soon as the lights turn green. For all communication is the 16 Hours TS available. Each chat line is a penalized with 15 seconds to the total time. Even a :-) or similar applies for the purposes of this rule as chatting. The only exception to this rule is to get the lappercommands. The chat is re-opened as soon as the last rider crosses the finish line.

3.4 pit stops

3.4.1. In the pit lane the general rule is that vehicles in the pit lane have the right of way prior to the vehicles leaving the pit. During the way to the pit, the pitlane has to be used as long as possible and only to stop at the parking bay turn left to the pit.

3.4.2 In the pit entrance and exit, the man behind has to watch how fast the car ahead drives in or out so that no crash happens.

3.4.3 The cars on the track may cross the dashed line at the pit exit only when no car is leaving the pit. For cars leaving the pits its absolutely prohibited to touch the dashed pitout line. The end of the pit exit line is identified by a marker. Touching the pit exit line after a pit stop is penalized by 30 seconds on the total time scored for each violation.

3.4.4 If a driver gets a DT or SG at pit stop, this penalty has to be sentenced within 3 laps. If a driver intentionally is missing the pit (at the end of the race) and so his sentence can no longer be served he will not be DQ (as the server automatically sets) but a 45s time penalty will be given to the car.

4. Protests

4.1 A protest must be filed within 1 week after the end of the race in the forum (for proof). The protest must contain lap, opponent, situation and total time (20 seconds before the incident).

4.2 In the case of a protest the racing marshals will sight the incident and possibly issue a penalty. If someone from the race directors are targets of the protest, the person is excluded from the decision. The decision can be objected within 1 week.

4.3 When someone on our server offended anyone regardless of whether this is in the race, in qualification or in training sessions, please send a screenshot (as evidence) to an admin (the screenshot will be accepted only if the login names on the screenshot are visible ( Ctrl-Shift to display the login names and open the chat history with H)).

5. Penalties

-- Too many laps in the qualification: 1 second per lap on the qualification time
-- Cutting in the qualification: 5 seconds on the qualification time
-- No Qualireplay: Start from the last position of the class
-- Chat in the race: 15 seconds per line
-- touching the pitout line: 30 seconds on the total time

r4ptor

23rd July 2008, 11:43

How many cars and classes is a single team allowed to sign up to?

Nobo

23rd July 2008, 12:20

Last year i have heard from my teammates that it was one of the best, if not the best, organized event they have ever attended :nod:
I think we will be able to get a team in there again this year.

Kid222

23rd July 2008, 12:29

What about TBO, has it been scrapped? Last year it was fun imo.

SRR Marty

24th July 2008, 16:45

What about TBO, has it been scrapped? Last year it was fun imo.

yep we decided to race with the GT2 class instead of TBO for 3 main reasons:
1st is that the TBO class lacks teams and drivers
2nd is that the supporting GTCC league will race with the system which we are using for this event in the next season, and this will be something like a big test for the league. Especially with the GT2 Class we are expecting great fights because of the "equalizing" of the cars.
3rd is that the difference in speed is too big between GT1 and TBO. We have raced with the GTR-NGT-TBO systems for two seasons now in the GTCC league, and it always gets tricky when the GTRs overtake a TBO.

Last year i have heard from my teammates that it was one of the best, if not the best, organized event they have ever attended :nod:
I think we will be able to get a team in there again this year.

Thanks for the compliment, we all are giving the best we can to ensure all of the racers have the most fun possible (and of course a challenge as well ;) )

How many cars and classes is a single team allowed to sign up to?

for now we have set no limit for this, but for the sake of fairness you should not overdo with the sign up of cars ;) give smaller teams also the chance to have a nice event.
As mentioned earlier we are planning to host on 4 servers, which means 120 teams can join the event. All servers will be put together in 1 tracker where the live standing can be viewed.

Actually 26 cars have signed up for the race, so 94 are still left.

Sueycide_FD

28th July 2008, 17:01

i have a question.

My team is based out of a internet cafe, so would it be okay if we used 1 computer and actually "switched" drivers in and out?

SRR Marty

28th July 2008, 21:38

i have a question.

My team is based out of a internet cafe, so would it be okay if we used 1 computer and actually "switched" drivers in and out?

No problem :) sign up with your LFS-Nickname and write down the names of the players who share the account.

SRR Marty

28th July 2008, 21:56

The actual status:
21/40 GT-1 used
04/40 GT-2 used
07/40 N-GT used

-JaviF-

30th July 2008, 14:46

WOW..nice!!!

Inscription ready!!! :thumb:

banshee56

30th July 2008, 17:14

The facts:

Date: 25. October 2008
Start: 08:00pm EDT (which is 06:00 UTC)
Qualifying Start: 18. October 2008 02:00pm EDT (12:00 UTC)
Qualifying End: 19. October 2008 10:00pm EDT (08:00 UTC)

You need to edit your start times because 08:00PM EDT (20:00 EDT) does not equal 06:00 UTC.

EDT = EST = UTC-5 (-4 right now w/ DST)

SRR Marty

30th July 2008, 19:02

seems to be a translating error. What was meant is west-european summer time, and not eastern standart time ;)

Stefani24

30th July 2008, 19:05

Is it allowed to compete alone?

commandermas

30th July 2008, 19:31

yes it is

banshee56

30th July 2008, 19:33

seems to be a translating error. What was meant is west-european summer time, and not eastern standart time ;)

So the UTC times are correct?

SRR Marty

30th July 2008, 21:03

So the UTC times are correct?

No they are not!

the correct time is 06:00 pm UTC =08:00 pm europ. summertime

i will fix that asap.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

btw on the website there is a countdown, compare your time with the time shown on the countdown if your not sure about the time.

zeugnimod

30th July 2008, 21:39

The clocks are actually changing from summer to winter time in the night from the 25th to the 26th. Good, that it's not a 24 hour race. :tilt:

SRR Marty

30th July 2008, 23:12

I really hate this time changing thing.

HL_Nano

31st July 2008, 03:32

HL Racing is in the race :nod: :thumb:

r4ptor

31st July 2008, 06:48

i Really Hate This Time Changing Thing.

+1

Gil07

31st July 2008, 14:46

Marty:

Sonicrealms Racing, not SonicRealms-Racing :razz:

Looking forward to this one :)

SRR Marty

31st July 2008, 15:40

Marty:

Sonicrealms Racing, not SonicRealms-Racing :razz:

Looking forward to this one :)

fixed ;)

Gil07

31st July 2008, 15:54

Thanks :)

Another thing, will there be safety car periods during the race?

HL_Nano

31st July 2008, 16:09

Another thing, will there be safety car periods during the race?

very good question...

th84

31st July 2008, 16:12

Thanks :)

Another thing, will there be safety car periods during the race?

There were no safety cars in last years race.... :shrug:

commandermas

31st July 2008, 20:25

this year there won't be any safetycar phases, because we will have more than one server and its a hard thing to have safetycars on every server, that cost exactly the same time.

Gil07

31st July 2008, 20:29

Yeah, that would make the results unfair, I agree it's impossible to make it work on multiple servers.

Next question :D How will the server sorting be done? Will we have the classes grouped together or all the cars spread over the servers?

SRR Marty

31st July 2008, 23:54

The different cars will be spread over the servers, depending on the qualification times they do. so the fastest of all classes will group on server 1 etc.
cool side effect: the raceaction will be similar on all servers

Sueycide_FD

1st August 2008, 02:17

thats great, so all the novices and slower drivers won't have to be nervous going against faster teams, because i sure was :D

SRR Marty

1st August 2008, 02:28

in the end that doesnt matter, because the opponent you will have to fight is the tracker, and the cars nearby yourself, and these will probably be on a different server,
The final distribution will be decided when we exactly know how many cars are participating in the event. Till then everything is just speculation.

Koa128

1st August 2008, 04:28

LFSLA will be present, cant wait untill the official race start.

Great event by the way ;)

baSh0r

1st August 2008, 07:00

looks really professional for now :) lets see what will come.

Team Inferno signed up with 2 Teams.

Dru

1st August 2008, 15:19

08.00pm doesn't exist..... much better to put either 08.00 for MORNING or 20.00 for evening :)

SRR Marty

1st August 2008, 21:56

^^ i have changed that.

watch the incredible Trailer (http://16h.esports-gaming.net/index.php?id=10280837&bereichid=42&modul=content)
all credits for this to RippedXFuel from www.kib-racing.de

hansonator69

2nd August 2008, 01:49

This is gonna be awesome. So is it 4 servers for different skills?

commandermas

2nd August 2008, 09:17

yes most probably its like that

Sueycide_FD

3rd August 2008, 05:17

can you start locking the train server please? alot people that arent particpating in the race and or are new keep joining :shrug:

commandermas

3rd August 2008, 09:50

trainserver 1 will stay open, but trainserver 2 gets a password to find in 16h forum

Buzzn

3rd August 2008, 14:29

This si going to be one hex of a race :D Alias Racing Team probably join:thumb:

Cant whait til the 25 :)

hansonator69

4th August 2008, 02:45

Does the name/number system in-game work like this? >>> eg. 182 H. Richmond for someone who is driving in a GT-2 car

commandermas

4th August 2008, 08:55

182 - H. Richmond
thats how the name should be for GT2 drivers

banshee56

4th August 2008, 18:16

Oh yeah! CoRe Racing will bring 3 cars! :smileypul

carlson74

4th August 2008, 18:35

that's very nice :thumb:

Sueycide_FD

4th August 2008, 20:36

Oh yeah! CoRe Racing will bring 3 cars! :smileypul

i just saw 5 teams pull out on that note :tilt:

Nobo

4th August 2008, 20:39

oO it'll be impossible to defend our title :tilt: ...great to see a much bigger and better grid this year :)! Really looking forward to this event...i'll stop my lfs-break for that :)

SRR Marty

5th August 2008, 20:20

oO it'll be impossible to defend our title :tilt: ...great to see a much bigger and better grid this year :)! Really looking forward to this event...i'll stop my lfs-break for that :)

we will see. as we all know the race lasts 16 hours, and during this period a lot of unexpected things can happen. of course there are many well known teams which signed up for the event, but all of them may face problems we all cant see right now.

actual signup status:
GT-1 38/40
GT-2 19/40
N-GT 13/40
sum: 70/120

DeadWolfBones

6th August 2008, 07:17

Seems to me that teams having multiple cars in a single class is a bit unfair, given the high demand for GT1 spots. :shrug:

SRR Marty

6th August 2008, 08:47

We had in mind not to limit teams who want to participate with more than 1 car in a class. I wrote it earlier in this thread that the bigger teams shall not overdo with signups to give smaller teams also the opportunity to sign up in the bigger classes. In past events the limits of the classes were never reached that fast, and so we never were in the situation to close a class because of reaching the slots limit and/or have to reject teams participations.
We will discuss this asap and see how to handle this problem.

To be honest.. the sign ups are way beyond our expectations.

Dragonmen

6th August 2008, 11:09

AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team is in! :nod:
Last spot in GT1...

Looking for a great race! :thumb:

hansonator69

6th August 2008, 11:16

Oh yes it will be fun for GT1 drivers to dodge the GT2 and NGT cars :)

Sueycide_FD

6th August 2008, 14:06

the rate im going, i'll be barely dodging GT2 cars :D

SRR Marty

6th August 2008, 18:48

Due to the high demand of GT-1 cars, and the developing of signups which is way beyond our expectations, we decided to open more slots for the GT-1 class. That means the GT-1 class gets 16 more slots and is now limited to 56 cars, while GT-2 and N-GT are reduced by 8 slots each.

For the 16 new GT-1 slots, the following special rules are:
- Teams can sign up only one team per class.
- Teams who already signed up one or more cars in GT-1 are not allowed to add cars to GT-1.(Lucky for the teams who signed up early)

Fuse5

6th August 2008, 19:08

o.0

Not that good news to GT2/NGT teams, as the grid in those classes gets thinner.
Now we'd have (if divided equally) 8 NGT teams per server, and with the fact that there will be teams dropping out, leaves us with less competitors, and more in the way of the increasing amount of GT1 cars.

Don't take this as flaming or anything, this is just my personal emotion about the decision.

BenjiMC

6th August 2008, 19:12

imo it would be best to limit the GT1 class to 1 car per team and tell the people with multiple cars to sign up for NGT or GT2 instead.

SRR Marty

6th August 2008, 19:14

i understand your concerns, but we will not open more than 56 slots for GT-1. If GT-2 or N-GT teams drop out and dont confirm their cars till the deadline, the slots will be reopened for lastminute joiners.

zeugnimod

6th August 2008, 19:43

Tbh, that sucks. :shrug:

SRR Marty

6th August 2008, 19:54

Tbh, that sucks. :shrug:

i understand your positions, but we cannot punish the teams who signed up early and delete or reject already signed-up teams. We have learned this now for the next years race and will definitely change this.

But for now this is the best solution for all. de facto there are only 4 GT-1 more per server and two GT-2 and N-GT less.

Dragonmen

7th August 2008, 09:23

imo it would be best to limit the GT1 class to 1 car per team and tell the people with multiple cars to sign up for NGT or GT2 instead.

+1 :thumb:

This is only reasonable thing to do by mho...

I felt even before the limit was reached that it is not good to have multiple squads of the same team in same class... :shy:

Racing for lower classes will be harder because of increase of GT1 cars, and they will have less competition:(@Marty) you say that it is ONLY 2 cars less per server per lower class, but actually even if you are in GT2 on server #1 you are racing the same class on other servers. So basically it is less competition by 8 cars.

But this is only my opinion, I'm not forcing this to be changed... it is up to admins of the race... :shrug:

hansonator69

10th August 2008, 03:31

4 servers with 1 tracker? How does that work? What does that mean for slower drivers?

carlson74

10th August 2008, 08:41

The tracker is programmed by WolleT. He was in 2007 at 24 and 16h race in use and worked well. The tracker pulls data from all four servers and gives a live performance out.

hansonator69

10th August 2008, 09:16

So it takes data from all servers and compiles them in an overall standings list. So this means there can only be 3 winners from 3 classes?

commandermas

10th August 2008, 09:22

yes only 3 winners, 1 of every class

Dragonmen

10th August 2008, 21:10

How does your tracker handle disconnections and re-connections? :scratchch

SRR Marty

10th August 2008, 22:09

Today we tested the tracker on the 6 hours of aston event, which was a single server event. It seemed to work very well for now.

The disconnect and reconnection of players, which shall deduct 1 lap automatically need some fixing, but the goal is that the tracker automatically does this, and has to do the same when shift-p or shift-s is done.

this needs further testing, but will be done till racestart.
1st Tracker test (http://87.118.124.57:8080/tracker3/htdocs/)

on this tracker the deduction was done manually.

DeadWolfBones

10th August 2008, 22:32

Just out of curiosity, what's the rationale for the -1lap penalty for disconnects? Aren't disconnects already a penalty?

evilpimp

10th August 2008, 22:50

Just out of curiosity, what's the rationale for the -1lap penalty for disconnects? Aren't disconnects already a penalty?

Probably because people can pull the plug of their router after 13 hours and heavy clutch damage, low fuel and too thin tires to get a quick pitstop that fixes everything :P. I think that's why they'd do it so that they prevent people from doing that.

You gain kind of an advantage by pulling the plug right after the finish line and coming back into the race with a full pitstop that even fixed your clutch.

SRR Marty

10th August 2008, 22:58

Probably because people can pull the plug of their router after 13 hours and heavy clutch damage, low fuel and too thin tires to get a quick pitstop that fixes everything :P. I think that's why they'd do it so that they prevent people from doing that.

You gain kind of an advantage by pulling the plug right after the finish line and coming back into the race with a full pitstop that even fixed your clutch.

Thats correct...

The first (unreleased) version of the rules contained a much harder punishment for leaving the race, to prevent misuse, so be glad its now only 1 lap :)

PaulC2K

10th August 2008, 23:06

Just out of curiosity, what's the rationale for the -1lap penalty for disconnects? Aren't disconnects already a penalty?
SK?? :shrug:

It took you guys a month to solve that sh*t storm, and that was 1 server, quadruple that... dunno about you, but i wouldnt want to go through all the hassle of double checking disconnections, making sure they didnt gain by disconnecting and getting a brand new car full of fuel, fresh tyre and a repaired engine which cant be fixed any other way.

It is harsh for the innocent though, but so is getting taken off the track and picking up damage etc because of someone elses mistake.

SRR Marty

11th August 2008, 00:00

When the lights turn green and the race starts, we, the admin team (which consist of 4 people) will have at least 5 months or more with preparation of the event behind us, with lots of hours (sumed up probably weeks) spent on TS discussing and organising things.
In the end we wont sit there and visit 4 replays each 16 hours long, to check out everything was okay. The filed protests will be viewed, thats for sure, but we want to present the final result as soon as possible.
For the drivers the race ends with the showing of the chequered flag. To make the administation for us as easy as possible we try to automate as many things possible (<-proper english??) :) Thats what the tracker is for. In the end the tracker shall show the (almost) final overview for the whole race across all servers, including disconnects, shift-p etc. I always smile when i read threads or posts like: "i have a server - lets do an endurance event tomorrow". im sure most of the people dont have a clue about what it means to host something like this and how much work has to be done behind the scenes, what nobody sees.

Theres also one thing i want to say: We dont do this for our profit. We do this mainly for the lfs-community to have a great and awesome event. we dont want to earn a single cent/penny /whatever your currency is. We all have regular jobs for living and spend most of our spare time for this. Its just the fun with LFS, the trust in this great simulation and the will to race fair races with or against others that motivates us every day keeping this project alive and letting it grow. The number of signups (which ist at 75% after 5 weeks, but the race still 2 months to go) shows us that the community needs events like this, and that the people share this spirit with us.

baSh0r

11th August 2008, 00:21

I definately must say that i totally like the Tracker, let's say i like the standings :D

Mp3 Astra

11th August 2008, 01:07

Today we tested the tracker on the 6 hours of aston event, which was a single server event. It seemed to work very well for now.

The disconnect and reconnection of players, which shall deduct 1 lap automatically need some fixing, but the goal is that the tracker automatically does this, and has to do the same when shift-p or shift-s is done.

this needs further testing, but will be done till racestart.

on this tracker the deduction was done manually.

The same tracker was used for the 12 hours of Aston event, and it did 2 lap deductions for disconnections, and it seemed to work fine with no bugs. What is different about this one?

hansonator69

11th August 2008, 01:55

I don't really like the single tracker, but if it works then it must be good. Now i get the idea. Different skills for different servers gives a fair chance to everyone.

PaulC2K

11th August 2008, 02:56

I don't really like the single tracker, but if it works then it must be good. Now i get the idea. Different skills for different servers gives a fair chance to everyone.
its not different skills, its just the full field split evenly (as evenly as possible i guess) into 4 servers.
I *think* that would mean you'd get servers based on qual positions like:

#1 - GT1 - Q1,5,9... GT2 - Q1,5,9... NGT - Q1,5,9...
#2 - GT1 - Q2,6,10... GT2 - Q2,6,10... NGT - Q2,6,10...
#3 - GT1 - Q3,7,11... GT2 - Q3,7,11... NGT - Q3,7,11...
#4 - GT1 - Q4,8,12... GT2 - Q4,8,12... NGT - Q4,8,12...
The information of each cars laps & actions are sent to the tracker, and a leaderboard is formed to show the standings of the race, so you can be leading the #3 server but be 5th in the standings if 4 other cars are doing better than you.

Its hard racing against something thats not there with you, being unable to defend a position like you normally can (unless it happens to be someone on the same server) but its the one way of having a mixed field and allowing so many people to compete together fairly, no tiers of ability, everyone on the day can win their class. I think thats what most people want in a series, being able to race against everyone and take their chances, rather than being divided up by ability/experience/results shoved to one side and made to wait till they can race with bigger teams, 1-off races like this make that happen :thumbsup:

One thing that will be interesting is same server battles, normally if 2 cars are fighting for position they lose time by defending corners or trying to overtake etc and the following cars gain and get right into the mix too. In this, the 'following cars' could be on a different server and virtually overtake both of you while your still squabbling for 1 place. :D

evilpimp

11th August 2008, 04:10

Ah, I thought it would be 2 servers for GT1 (because of the popular demand), 1 server for GT2 and 1 for NGT that way if your battling someone its for position not like a GT1 overtaking a GT2 however it does kill the whole multiclass racing theme.

DeadWolfBones

11th August 2008, 05:05

its not different skills, its just the full field split evenly (as evenly as possible i guess) into 4 servers.
I *think* that would mean you'd get servers based on qual positions like:

#1 - GT1 - Q1,5,9... GT2 - Q1,5,9... NGT - Q1,5,9...
#2 - GT1 - Q2,6,10... GT2 - Q2,6,10... NGT - Q2,6,10...
#3 - GT1 - Q3,7,11... GT2 - Q3,7,11... NGT - Q3,7,11...
#4 - GT1 - Q4,8,12... GT2 - Q4,8,12... NGT - Q4,8,12...

I think it's a bit nebulous how it'll be done (at least based on what's been said in this thread--haven't seen that part of the rules yet). I know that in the 24hr of KY3R race last May, it was done so that the top 1/3 of each class was on Server 1, the middle 1/3 of each class was on Server 2, and the slower 1/3 of each class was on Server 3.

Agarash

11th August 2008, 08:22

Is going to be there some well-marked class allocation on the tracker? I know that it's done by car number ranges now but it's not so recognizable on the first sight. Some color or "GT1, GT2 and NGT" mark before the team would be great.

I really look forward this event and I appreciate your effort you've shown so far. Thanks a lot!

EDIT: Oops, it's going to be between these two dashes isnt it? "#06 - - Team Inferno Racing 1"

SRR Marty

11th August 2008, 11:15

yep. that space is for the class ;)

commandermas

11th August 2008, 15:35

The same tracker was used for the 12 hours of Aston event, and it did 2 lap deductions for disconnections, and it seemed to work fine with no bugs. What is different about this one?

its just about some database entries, we haven't got yet. No big deal.

@DeadWolfBones:
you are right, we aren't sure, how we split the drivers onto the 4 servers. i also think, that the best would be, if we put the best quarter on Server 1 and so on, but thats still to discuss.

PaulC2K

11th August 2008, 17:35

id have thought they'd be placed in server 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4 etc so that way everyone has a fair and equal chance, if server 1 has Q1-2-3, #2 has Q4-5-6 etc then it isnt as clean and equal as it could be.
If they're dealt out like cards then in server 1 you have 1-5-9-13-17... and so on, those cars are likely to spread themselves out evenly. Same in server 2,3&4.
If they're grouped so in server 1 you have 1-2-3, then those 3 are going to be tight, scrapping for a while, and possibly slowing each other down because they're closely matched. On its own thats fine, but when server 2 has 4-5-6 and one of those manage to run free then they could take the lead purely on the basis that other rival cars are having to drive more defensively or are overtaking and being overtaken.

It doesnt have the same equal playing ground feel to it in my opinion. If the faster car in your class qualified 4 places ahead of you, and the slower one qualified 4 places behind you, and thats the case in EVERY server, then thats fair and i dont see how anyone could argue its anything but that. But placing them into servers in bunches means everything but that. If your in bunches of 3, then #1 car has 2 almost as quick cars right up its backside but could run free of them, #2 has one either side of it, its gotta look in all directions, #3 has 2 slightly faster ahead of it possibly stopping them from going as quick as they can, and 4 has what? 2 slower cars behind it and free air ahead. It means your better qualifying 4th than 3rd in my book at least. If i felt we were good enough to be higher up, i'd rather i had clear track to race into from Q4 than be stuck behind 2 cars who Q'd better but ive got to PASS them in order to improve that place, where as Q4 just has to get some clean laps in to pass me in Q3 etc.
IMO at least

DeadWolfBones

11th August 2008, 18:40

Of course, from the other side of the argument, putting cars that are closely bunched in terms of pace onto the same server produces much better actual racing and makes the race less of a hotlapping festival. Theoretically, each quarter of each class will be as competitive amongst themselves as the other quarters. And also theoretically, the cars in the slower quarters wouldn't be able to match the faster quarters' drivers' pace, even if the cars in the faster quarters are fighting amongst themselves.

I see it working fine either way, but I see my/commandermas's preferred method as producing a more exciting race. I think that in general you're overthinking it, Paul. If you want it to be all about raw speed, we might as well just qualify and call it a day.

Chriskart

11th August 2008, 19:04

I'd personally prefer to race with my closest competitors, rather than spread the grid out on the three servers. This would for sure give both drivers and spectators a more entertaining race : )

What Paulie says is of course right, but i'd have that in mind if i started with the guys which were equaled to me. The fact that it's being raced on three servers at a time is just another aspect to add to your driving. Such long races as these are not won by pure speed anyway, but also good tactical choices :)

R.Kolz

11th August 2008, 21:38

you are right, we aren't sure, how we split the drivers onto the 4 servers. i also think, that the best would be, if we put the best quarter on Server 1 and so on, but thats still to discuss.

No offense, still:
As far as I remember some top teams put in some crap quali times last year and for this reason qualified for server 2.
Of course this can have had reasons I don´t know about.
The race started and these teams all of sudden were flying arround the track and one wondered how this all of sudden could happen.
It´s to discuss if it´s actually easier to drive against some slower cars on a lower rated server but your admin task will be to find a way to have equal chances and racing on all servers for all teams.

PaulC2K

11th August 2008, 22:12

yeah, i get that it'd be better having proper races with the rivals rather than racing something you cant see.

But if you quarter the qual group and the fastest 1/4 go into one server, the second 1/4 go into another etc, then your definately going to get better racing than just moving small groups of cars, however its not hard to see potential ways in which to screw the system to drive with lowly qualified teams so there isnt the close defensive driving in order to have a clear track etc. All it takes is an accidental message during qual and your 1sec down and looking at a server 2+ time, you dont have to sandbag which looks obvious, just a not so innocent accidental message which ruins an otherwise nice time and your clear of challenging teams for the race.
So im not sure theres a particularly easy solution to the problem.

The other thing is, after about 10 laps your usually fairly spread out, and after an hour you can consider yourself fairly lucky to still be racing closely with the next guy. Thats usually the case in most racing, the field spreads and battles are harder to come across.

FTR, im not trying to poop on anyones parade, i'd just rather look for weaknesses and try and fix them, rather than ignore them and hope people dont find them and use them, we had that in MoE and it put a sour note on the season.
I think chances are that regardless of the way teams are split the cream will come to the top anyway, its 16hrs and it probably wont be won by a 30sec gap, let alone a 30sec which only existed because of a scrap on another server which cost 35sec etc. You'd just hope that the teams are split up well enough to give the fairest & most entertaining race possible, i guess theres no formula that can do that 100%.

Nobo

11th August 2008, 22:35

No offense, still:
As far as I remember some top teams put in some crap quali times last year and for this reason qualified for server 2.
Of course this can have had reasons I don´t know about.
The race started and these teams all of sudden were flying arround the track and one wondered how this all of sudden could happen.
It´s to discuss if it´s actually easier to drive against some slower cars on a lower rated server but your admin task will be to find a way to have equal chances and racing on all servers for all teams.

I hope you dont mean FPR because our last qualification place was not down to this.
We didnt knew that just the time of the first driver counts and so he did just an outlap then our faster driver wanted to qualify whose laps didnt count afterwards :shrug: (would've been P4)
Just wanted to clarify this as it sounds that you meant us.

But i definately agree, if you split the servers like this its definately an advantage to qualify lower.

R.Kolz

12th August 2008, 01:23

I hope you dont mean FPR because our last qualification place was not down to this.
We didnt knew that just the time of the first driver counts and so he did just an outlap then our faster driver wanted to qualify whose laps didnt count afterwards :shrug: (would've been P4)
Just wanted to clarify this as it sounds that you meant us.

But i definately agree, if you split the servers like this its definately an advantage to qualify lower.

Point made then.

DeadWolfBones

13th August 2008, 04:37

Sorry if I'm blind and missed the place, but where can I get the plates/sun visor for the XFR?

Mp3 Astra

13th August 2008, 06:11

Sorry if I'm blind and missed the place, but where can I get the plates/sun visor for the XFR?

http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=10

SRR Marty

13th August 2008, 07:32

nope its this one ;)

http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=13

Mp3 Astra

13th August 2008, 14:19

nope its this one ;)

http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=13

Damn, what did I post a link to? :pillepall

Dragonmen

14th August 2008, 09:20

SRR Marty

14th August 2008, 10:16

Questions:
1. What happens in case of big start pileup on one server? If no restart, the other servers drivers will have advantage of not having some :x driver(s) who f:xked it all up on start on that one server...
2. No Safety Car periods? That would be crazy for 4-server race so I guess its NO.

Idea:
Do not tell how will you divide drivers into servers, not until the end of qual, so there will be no misuse of rules, putting your car on a targeted position just to end up on "slower" server... :scratchch

1. nothing.. the race goes on..
2. the pacecar will lead the grid through the 1 st lap on all servers, and then there will be a flying start which shall spread the field and decrease the possibility for start crashes. during the race its almost impossible to launch the pacecar on all servers

Scott_Michaels

14th August 2008, 21:15

wow, a synchronised rolling start across 4 servers is going to be tough to manage!

DeadWolfBones

14th August 2008, 21:20

Been done before. As long as you have all four pace car drivers on Vent/TS and the pace cars use the pit limiter, it's cake.

SRR Marty

14th August 2008, 22:51

yep we have done this last year too and it was no problem

expect 1 driver who managed to get off the road with the FXO :)

Sueycide_FD

15th August 2008, 12:55

it was probally joesph driving :D

J@tko

15th August 2008, 14:38

it was probally joesph driving :D

LMAO!!!!! :D l

JO53PHS

15th August 2008, 14:41

Nah, due to other arrangements that have clashed with races I have never actually driven a Pace car at an official event, only at practices. I had also not even heard of LFS this time last year

And BTW, your skin is coming along nicely :). I have most of the front and right hand side of the car done, except for a few sponsors here and there :)

Sueycide_FD

15th August 2008, 18:57

/me joy dances:nana:

steven_martin

17th August 2008, 23:19

Scott_Michaels

18th August 2008, 11:32

If you (or anyone else) doesn't want to run as a one-man team then I'm free and need a team-mate (or two)!

D.Zanetti

18th August 2008, 12:02

If you (or anyone else) doesn't want to run as a one-man team then I'm free and need a team-mate (or two)!

Id be interested in running this event also, maybe we could join forces? GT2 or N-GT, don't think im up to the standard to run with the big boys in the GT1s ;)

PaulC2K

18th August 2008, 18:01

I'm very interested in taking part in this race, sounds great :) But I have a couple of questions.

1) I assume that teams of 1 are allowed?

2) I'm scheduled to be racing in a GP for me RFR team on that night on Trackmania - which I really can't mid before I'm an admin of that team :shy: - but this would mean I would need to sit in the garage for just over an hour. Would this be allowed? Of course when I'm racing I wouldn't go out intentionally getting time penalties, I'm not that sort of guy.

I don't want to be there to get the best result, I want to be there for the satisfaction of finishing the race as a one-man team cleanly and have a good time :thumbsup:
Looking at your stats, you've only spent more than 1hr in 1 combo, none are particularly impressive to say the least, and your saying your going to sit through 16 hours straight, 10pm saturday to 4pm sunday (i think), all by yourself?
oh, and its so important you want to park the car while you go off and play track bloody mania?? heavens above.
Its hard work sitting and staying completely focused on racing for 1hr, let alone 16hr straight. You may have raced on LFS in public servers for a few hours, but without the breaks in between to take a moment for yourself, its completely different. You might not be fussed about being the fastest and your lap time dropping as each hour passes, but the people your bumping into and the mistakes you make on the track due to fatigue will only piss people off.
Your not capable of it, i bet that at most 0.01% of LFS folks are, and your definately not one of them. Try it sometime, 2hrs in any car you like, without making silly mistakes and keeping the lap-times fairly stable.

Register on the series forum, and look on there for teams who are in need of drivers to help, and maybe if your serious about doing the race you'll get some practice in and people would consider using you, but your in serious denial if you think you can do a 16hr race all by yourself without seriously being a risk to everyone else involved in that server, and the fact that you cant even be there for all 16hrs shows your not really committed to it, let alone ready or able. You'd have to admit it's rather selfish to want to compete on your own regardless of how it'd be for others in the server with you, and whether you quite realise that or not, its what your asking for, and that opinion goes for anyone, n00bs and pro's alike. This is an ideal race to get some endurance experience, but 1-man teams would be crazy and i'd guarantee you'd either get bored or DSQ/banned within about 4-6hrs, but i highly doubt you'd get in as a 1 man team to begin with because of the reasons ive mentioned. As i said, if you want to take part find 2-3 others to drive with, anything less with your experience is a little stupid & kinda selfish IMO.

steven_martin

18th August 2008, 18:10

Looking at your stats, you've only spent more than 1hr in 1 combo, none are particularly impressive to say the least, and your saying your going to sit through 16 hours straight, 10pm saturday to 4pm sunday (i think), all by yourself?
oh, and its so important you want to park the car while you go off and play track bloody mania?? heavens above.
Its hard work sitting and staying completely focused on racing for 1hr, let alone 16hr straight. You may have raced on LFS in public servers for a few hours, but without the breaks in between to take a moment for yourself, its completely different. You might not be fussed about being the fastest and your lap time dropping as each hour passes, but the people your bumping into and the mistakes you make on the track due to fatigue will only piss people off.
Your not capable of it, i bet that at most 0.01% of LFS folks are, and your definately not one of them. Try it sometime, 2hrs in any car you like, without making silly mistakes and keeping the lap-times fairly stable.

Register on the series forum, and look on there for teams who are in need of drivers to help, and maybe if your serious about doing the race you'll get some practice in and people would consider using you, but your in serious denial if you think you can do a 16hr race all by yourself without seriously being a risk to everyone else involved in that server, and the fact that you cant even be there for all 16hrs shows your not really committed to it, let alone ready or able. You'd have to admit it's rather selfish to want to compete on your own regardless of how it'd be for others in the server with you, and whether you quite realise that or not, its what your asking for, and that opinion goes for anyone, n00bs and pro's alike. This is an ideal race to get some endurance experience, but 1-man teams would be crazy and i'd guarantee you'd either get bored or DSQ/banned within about 4-6hrs, but i highly doubt you'd get in as a 1 man team to begin with because of the reasons ive mentioned. As i said, if you want to take part find 2-3 others to drive with, anything less with your experience is a little stupid & kinda selfish IMO.
Right, I get the message. Oh well, thanks anyway.

CSF

18th August 2008, 18:11

Sueycide_FD

18th August 2008, 18:16

I did a 10 hour stint in SCGT once in a 24hour race only because i didnt trust the AI with the race.:D but stupid me didnt eat the morning of the race, so that was a factor too.

BenjiMC

18th August 2008, 19:06

JO53PHS

18th August 2008, 19:07

Make sure you plug your fridge in next to your computer next time :D

PaulC2K

18th August 2008, 21:00

Tbh Paul, your going ott with it. I agree he probably wouldn't be able to do it. But afaik this isn't a big super important race. It's a chance for people of all levels to experience endurance racing. Take yourself back to april last year in the 24hr race where i think SK|Husky did that race by himself with a 6hr break.

I dont have a problem with it because he would most likely be on a lower server. Thats the point in spreading the field in levels of ability, as i'm guessing will be done.
IIRC he did it on the 1 machine/account, but 2 drivers.

So your agreeing that he's not ready, but as long as he doesnt ruin races for the fast folks its ok? :shrug: I know your not saying sod the little people they're not important, but its kinda what would happen if he raced. Infact thats probably wrong as tbh i doubt he'd do more than 3hrs before giving up, he'd do an hour, wreck the car a few times, get frustraited and decide he's got other things he'd rather do than drive round and round for 16hrs.

What i'd rather see is someone who wants to race actually fully appreciate what is involved, think about the situation of what he has to do for himself and for the other people involved, and that goes for n00bs and pr0s alike.
Its a sensible peice of advice for ANYONE which will ensure that they dont ruin other peoples races because they underestimate the difficulty of racing with constantly deteriorating focus, especially if moral gets low after a mistake or 2 and they just decide to give up, when had they properly thought about it they could have done it with a couple of others and been there for each other and got through it all and got something from it.

IMO its better to be straight with people, and let the people who want to compete do so in a way thats managable to them, rather than just play pretend and kid people into thinking its a peice of cake and despite the lack of experience at any 1 combo or LFS in general, they'll cope with the demands of driving at any safe rate after a couple of hours of going round and round.
If he really wants to drive 15 of 16hrs on his own, as opposed to finding a couple of other like-minded individuals who'd love to take part in something like this doing say 2hr stints with 2 other people and working together to be prepared and upto speed for the event, then theres nothing to stop him trying to sign up, but IMO its better that people warn him of whats involved than play nice and allow them to mislead themself into thinking its sensible.
If someone who'd just started cycling to work each day said they wanted to do the tour de france, you wouldnt argue that Lance Armstrong etc has done it so why not, you'd suggest they actually think about what they're saying and whats involved rather than let them turn up at the first stage, get to the first hill and think f*ck me this isnt as easy as it seems and give up because they're expectations were nothing like the reality of it.

It seems to me too many people are concerned about possibly upsetting others with the truth, or worse, being seen to be mr meanie by highlighting that reality, rather than trying to help them acheive what they're aiming for and just play along and allow them to mislead themselves. Surely its better to help them than play along and let them ruin things for themselves and others as a result of what's fairly obvious. :shrug:

steven_martin

18th August 2008, 21:04

Look, I already accepted what you said and therefore decided against racing. I didn't want to start an argument or anything...

PaulC2K

18th August 2008, 21:12

Look, I already accepted what you said and therefore decided against racing. I didn't want to start an argument or anything...
Was i talking to you?? :shrug:

Im trying to explain why its better to be straight with people, rather than letting people make avoidable mistakes which impact other peoples races, theres no arguements.

BenjiMC

18th August 2008, 22:52

scipy

19th August 2008, 15:55

it's No Moe Or Igtc

:):):):)

blackbird04217

19th August 2008, 16:05

i kno he probably isn't ready. I said that, my point is, afaik this isn't such a serious race. It's no MoE or IGTC, and it's no tour de france. It's more like the london marathon. I see it as a challenge that he set himself, or many other people might of done. Although i do also understand your point of concentration.

I know my teammates and I are going to be looking at this one very seriously as it's our first major team event besides the 12hr of Aston. I don't know how much of a reputation it has vs the well known reputation of MoE and IGTC, however it seems very well put together and every event/league has to start somewhere. Just take my Head-to-Head league for example - 14 events and now we are getting 24 people show up to the events including teams like CoRe, n00bs, SonicRealms Racing and some other well respected teams. It's all in how the competitors act. I'm not saying any input on the above issues, but am voicing my opinion that this is a very serious event to my team.

BenjiMC

19th August 2008, 16:47

I'm not saying it's a noob race. I mean it's a fun event. It gives opportunities to teams which otherwise wouldn't do an event like this. It gives opporunities to people who want to challenge themselves and push the boat out a bit.

chanoman315

25th August 2008, 01:02

ive signed up a team :) can i see my team on the lists?

carlson74

25th August 2008, 09:46

Look here please :thumb:
http://www.racing-minds.net/16hpage/?page=teams

Sueycide_FD

25th August 2008, 11:29

i edited my post "Lanslide-R" from FXR to FZR couple days ago. change plox.

SRR Marty

25th August 2008, 15:40

the final lineup with all the cars will be done after the teams-confirmation deadline which is in the 1st week of october.

This is the time when all the teams/cars/drivers will be listed finally. till then you can edit your subscribtions as much as you want, we dont look through all the posts every day. The actual important part which is the number of free slots- is updated regulary

SRR Marty

8th September 2008, 20:54

Hello folks,

Im glad to tell you some very good news about the upcoming 16 hours event. Today we have finalised a really head ache causing issue, because we received the confirmation from Game-TV to broadcast the whole race via livestream. The stream will be moderated by the Game-TV moderators for 4 hours from the start and for another 4 hours to the finish. Through the (european) night the stream will run without any commentary. We are very glad to have this strong partner on our side.

The next thing i want to tell you, is that the signups are near completion, there are only 5 slots left in the N-GT class. So from todays view all the 4 servers will be filled up properly.

Mp3 Astra

8th September 2008, 21:18

SRR Marty

8th September 2008, 21:32

there will be switching through the servers during the race. i guess this will be ad hoc decisions depending on the action occuring on the servers.

duncan007

8th September 2008, 22:37

I am looking for 2 drivers for an XFR car.
If you're interested please PM.
Thnx

Sueycide_FD

9th September 2008, 01:48

evilpimp

9th September 2008, 03:14

With that news, my local internet cafe will be running the stream on the new Vizio flat screen :D

Noice :D

r4ptor

9th September 2008, 08:42

:elefant:

GianniC

11th September 2008, 18:36

Looking forward to follow it online. Good luck to everyone taking part :thumb:

Jonas8431

12th September 2008, 23:28

the weather of the race (server) is without wind, right?

commandermas

13th September 2008, 05:20

yes

anttt69

20th September 2008, 14:05

any chance of a reserve slot in any class?

Gil07

20th September 2008, 14:09

any chance of a reserve slot in any class?

PM already has a slot... :shrug:

duncan007

20th September 2008, 23:29

I need one more driver in my Team "L2R" for an XFR Car.
Pm if interested.

:smileypul

DeadWolfBones

21st September 2008, 04:43

Dragonmen

21st September 2008, 09:29

Just out of curiosity, have the GT2 restrictions been reconsidered? 27% is far, far too much restriction on the XRR. I say this based on the extensive testing that was done for the MoE 2008-09 restrictions.

I considered this myself... :scratchch and asked via PM while asking some other things... :D

Just to have it in one post:

16h
FZR = 20%
FXR = 25%
XRR = 27%

MoE
FZR = 20%
FXR = 24%
XRR = 25%

commandermas

21st September 2008, 09:56

SRR Marty

21st September 2008, 17:20

The restrictions for GT-2 stay in the 20-25-27 pattern. After discussing this issue for quite a long time now we think this pattern suits the event best, and is especially fitted to the kyoto gp track.

Jonas8431

22nd September 2008, 15:19

commandermas

22nd September 2008, 16:15

hm thats a small problem, because we have just 47 Slots per server. On every server there are 2 Admins and 30 drivers which makes 32, so we have maximum capacity of 15 spectators, so we can't allow 2 Drivers per Team on every server, but we'll discuss, if we could do Exemptions for some Teams.

DevilDare

22nd September 2008, 17:07

hmmm yeah, thats what i was thinking too. Guys with slower pcs you can always use Skype :shrug: its good enough to communicate with 3/4 people over voice.

MaKaKaZo

22nd September 2008, 17:47

I have a suggest. There is a rule that says 1 driver per team is allowed in the server race, and the replace drivers can join in the last lap of the teammate, so mine team have poor pcs, we can not race with lfs and ts or something else, would it allows 2 drivers per team??? 1 driver racing and other one watching every 1 hour to know what is happening with his teammate.
One method you can use is have a cell phone prepared to dial the number of the next racer in your rotation. When you want him to enter the server you quickly call him and leave the phone again. He rejects the call and joins the server. This is pretty fast and you don't need TS or similar.

If LFS remote is enabled the next player can also be watching your race at lfsworld, and he can thereby know if you are ok or you just crashed, slowed down your pace because of a puncture or whatever.

DevilDare

22nd September 2008, 17:58

One method you can use is have a cell phone prepared to dial the number of the next racer in your rotation. When you want him to enter the server you quickly call him and leave the phone again. He rejects the call and joins the server. This is pretty fast and you don't need TS or similar.

If LFS remote is enabled the next player can also be watching your race at lfsworld, and he can thereby know if you are ok or you just crashed, slowed down your pace because of a puncture or whatever.

OR you could write sms before your stint with something like "Come on server" and whe you ready to change, like 2 laps left, hit send and wait until he comes :)

MaKaKaZo

22nd September 2008, 18:02

OR you could write sms before your stint with something like "Come on server" and whe you ready to change, like 2 laps left, hit send and wait until he comes :)
Well, in our case sending an SMS costs money while calling and rejecting the call doesn't :)

Jonas8431

22nd September 2008, 18:05

DevilDare

22nd September 2008, 20:11

Well, in our case sending an SMS costs money while calling and rejecting the call doesn't :)

oh yeah :D :D

i was trying to be smart and failed :D

DeadWolfBones

22nd September 2008, 20:34

it is too much for a race shorter than 4 hours, but for a race that lasts 16 hours its ok, because the FZR needs much more fuel and so more pitstops.

we tested how fast FZR and XRR are and how long they could drive and with this restriction drivers with about the same skill can end the 16 hours with the same counted laps done

I have severe doubts about this. The XRR and FZR can run roughly the same distance on tires, so fuel doesn't really enter into the equation. But I guess you'll see once the race is done. :shrug:

Mp3 Astra

22nd September 2008, 22:23

I had to read the 3.3.9 rule twice before I understood it - it didn't quite make sense to me, just a case of english.

I would change it to 3.3.9 In case of a change of drivers the replacing driver may only join the server when the current driver begins the last lap before his stop. After the change the replaced driver has to leave the server immediately.

:)

SRR Marty

22nd September 2008, 22:48

commandermas

23rd September 2008, 08:02

I have severe doubts about this. The XRR and FZR can run roughly the same distance on tires, so fuel doesn't really enter into the equation. But I guess you'll see once the race is done. :shrug:

They can run the same disctance on tires, BUT i had a stint of 1hour and 45 minutes and the tires of my XRR were still ok, but my fuel was low. I don't think, that any FZR can run more than 1 hour and 30 mins before his fuel is low.

MaKaKaZo

23rd September 2008, 08:52

They can run the same disctance on tires, BUT i had a stint of 1hour and 45 minutes and the tires of my XRR were still ok, but my fuel was low. I don't think, that any FZR can run more than 1 hour and 30 mins before his fuel is low.
Wait a minute! You're talking about GT2 there, aren't you?!? I mean, there's no way you can do a 1 hour 45 minutes stint with a GT1!!! :schwitz:

Dragonmen

23rd September 2008, 09:24

Wait a minute! You're talking about GT2 there, aren't you?!? I mean, there's no way you can do a 1 hour 45 minutes stint with a GT1!!! :schwitz:

Yes, GT2, they started talking about restrictions for GT2 :tilt:

DevilDare

23rd September 2008, 10:12

haha gutted more? :D

commandermas

23rd September 2008, 10:54

we are talking about the restrictionsystem and so we are automaticly talking about the GT2 :-D

N I K I

23rd September 2008, 11:05

FZR GT2 can do about 1hour 10mins, and that's pure max, if driver is very pro and smooth with tires, if not it's shorter for 5 mins at least... it's not about fuel, it's about tires...
i've got no info for XRR, but i'm sure it's pretty much the same.

DeadWolfBones

23rd September 2008, 18:15

PaulC2K

23rd September 2008, 20:02

I dunno what the hell kind of setup you're running to get 1:45 out of a set of tires. Never seen anything like that. Not in MoE last year, for certain.

1:20, maybe.

Proof's in the pudding... last year we had a large XRR majority in MoE GT2 (10 of 15 teams), with 20/23/25 restrictions. This year, with 20/24/25, and the new Z patch, we have a large FZR majority (between 8 and 10 out of 12). The teams know what's up.

FZR is gonna run away with this race.
How many of the GT2 teams with 2 cars ran the FZR in GT1 class? ZERO
Why is this relevent? Because the FZR was the fastest car then too, and yet their team chose NOT to use it, not to use the fastest car of the field and instead go with one that was around the same pace but easier to drive.

Still, your guys dont seem to be able to manage the FZR in GT1 or GT2 so its hardly suprising you want the XRR to be just as fast despite it being harder to drive consistantly. You cant tell me your driving the XRR cos its faster, your driving it cos you cant drive the FZR as quickly, which doesnt mean the FZR should be slowed down so it goes the same speed as an easier car.

DeadWolfBones

23rd September 2008, 20:32

PaulC2K

24th September 2008, 03:48

CoRe is driving the XRR because all of our drivers are familiar with it, while not all are familiar with the FZR. If we had the time to learn it in the next week, we'd very likely be switching to it.

I'm having a hard time sorting out the implcations of your post. You're implying that Merc chose the XRR in GT1 last year because it was easier to drive than the FZR? Furthermore, you think it's easier to drive now? Might wanna ask Ray about his opinion on that one.

Anyway, none of this has anything to do with the 16hr GT2 restrictions, which is the real issue in debate here. Are you saying that the 27% restriction is a) compensation for the XRR being easier to drive than the FZR, b) the right restriction to balance it in terms of pace with the FZR, or c) something else entirely?

edit: And there were only two teams who ran both classes in the last MoE season: Merc and Cyber (who only ran the last few GT2 races). Hardly a representative sample for whatever point it is that you're trying to make.
LOL, You have a certain knack for not getting what im saying, and then interpreting it in a way nothing like ive suggested. Some might even begin to think its intentional :scratchch

Lets cut the crap ey DWB, 1wk is bull and you know it, the reason your using the XRR in everything is because you wont switch, nobody is forcing you to drive anything, you drive whatever you feel will get you the best possible results. Your driving the XRR for 1 of 2 reasons, anything else is either highly unlikely or more bull to distort the 2 reasons im suggesting.
1) You allowed your IGTC car selection to influence what you'd be driving between seasons, and rather than start IGTC with the FZR and use that to learn and pick up experience you played it safe, good old safe. XRR comes out, another season goes by and you learn much you didnt already know from MoE, and when that starts you either start that in a unfamiliar car or you play it safe, good old safe.... and thats when you get into the 'CoRe Loop' where you risk seasons in the big events for the sake of a shot at a title in a comparatively inferior event.
2) You guys cant drive the FZR, either due to lack of confidence or its too much to drive at its limits. I cant drive it well, but i'll admit im crap and i'd drive something im more comfortable with.

#1 has some promise, but #2 certainly seems to be growing in terms of credability as you've signed up for another GT2 car and despite it carrying 2% more restriction than what you claim is fair in MoE, you STILL selected it! You knew what you were signing up to, you cant be that stupid, and yet now you've popped up with hysterical ranting about how the 'FZR is gonna run away with this race'.

Your now suggesting we should be discussing the 16h balancing, and not the MoE ones after you've conveniently brought up the shift of numbers from XRR to FZR this season. You conveniently ignore the fact that these are numbers YOU have helped create, and that your influence was behind the reason the XRR was the car of choice, could it possibly be because last season they were so badly balanced that nobody was stupid enough to drive the FZR because you'd overly penalised it?
As an admin of MoE involved in the balancing which devalues the FZR compared to its rivals, whilst racing for a team which just loves its XRR. Its cynical, but evidence seems to mounting which doesnt deny it, and now here you are for a series you dont control and your giving misleading info to try and change the rules you agreed to in your favour.

Most people with an ounce of common sense would leave a car they're more familiar with and select what they feel will get them the best results, taking as many things into account as possible, and make an educated selection. What they dont do is make a decision based on the only car they can drive and then request that the rules be changed to benefit them. If that means driving in the XRR then thats your choice, if its the FZR then great, but making your choice and then trying to influence the agreed balancing in your favour is rather lame is it not?

So lets quit pretending you dont know what im actually saying, skip the bit where you conveniently take my comments out of context to say something else and just cut to the chase. Either you cant drive the FZR competitively enough and want this series to cater to your needs too, or your daft enough to let a lesser series ruin your chances in a far bigger series... and now you want this series to cater to your needs too.

p.s the standard of education in the US must be really poor if you cant properly read a post or corrently count the number of teams who had 2 cars in MoE last season.
There were 3 for your information, Mercury, ZWR who had 2 cars in rnd1 and just the GT2 for rnd2 iirc. Theres also the matter of a team you may be unfamiliar with, 'CoRe Racing GT1' (remember them?) but we'll ignore that, ironically it was a FZR entry you decided to pull before you'd even started the race... dont tell me, was there only 1wk to get familiar with it? ;)

lastly:
1) obviously, if that wasnt blatently obvious you clearly wouldnt understand the idea behind balancing (i havent ruled that out yet)
2) Who knows, but forgive me if i dont value your opinions too highly on such matters, as track record suggests either your MoE team are bias, useless, or dont understand what balancing is about if the easier cars are overly assisted and the harder cars are effectively frowned upon :shrug:
3) U probably know the answer to that already.

DeadWolfBones

24th September 2008, 04:37

edit: decided to PM instead.

DeadWolfBones

24th September 2008, 04:38

To the race admins, sorry for my part in crapping up your thread. I had a complaint to voice about the balancing, and Paul decided to make it a personal argument, as is his way of doing things.

Obviously, the balancing is up to you. I just thought I'd offer some perspective from a series that has done more than a year of GT2 competition.

See you in the race. :thumbsup:

chanoman315

24th September 2008, 05:05

See you there :thumbsup:

A stupid question, does the skin has to be of a specific color ? like Green for GT1 and that

DeadWolfBones

24th September 2008, 05:20

Skin templates are here, chano: http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=13

GT1: Green
GT2: Red
nGT: Blue

Dragonmen

5th October 2008, 19:07

Hmmmm...

Submitting drivers at the moment... and I see only 4 can be signed up.
No reserves no nothing...

It is very long time until the race, 20days.
No one is really sure who can drive this race, and 4 drivers over 16hours is... 4hours for one driver.

In previous 12h MoE race, admins decided to put 2 more driver spots, so 6 drivers can drive.

I really suggest that you do at least the same, if not even more.

my 5 cents

BenjiMC

5th October 2008, 21:11

pff, 4 hours is nothing. we had to do 5 hours in the 12hr

PMD9409

5th October 2008, 21:51

pff, 4 hours is nothing. we had to do 5 hours in the 12hr

Same here, 2 of our GT1 drivers had to do 5 hours due to connection problems.

chanoman315

5th October 2008, 21:56

you end up without an ass... or at least without hole for being sit at a chair

DevilDare

5th October 2008, 22:30

hmm, yeah i guess 5 people would be dead on, 6 too much. :shrug:

Dragonmen

5th October 2008, 23:40

Well as I understand, this should be more of a fun event than die hard battle, as I see there will be a lot of endurance/multiclass unexperienced drivers...
So why not let more people drive? Classes are pretty much full and there were some who wanted to be part of it...

robybobey

7th October 2008, 21:43

Can't believe i've missed the sign up date, it sounds amazing! :)

SRR Marty

8th October 2008, 00:09

Can't believe i've missed the sign up date, it sounds amazing! :)

you can sign into the waiting list with good chances to pick a slot...if your still interested

SRR Marty

8th October 2008, 18:18

3 days ago the deadline for confirming participation, sending the used skins and announcing the driver lineups has passed. As we have expected not all the teams took this date, or rejected their cars. So over all approximately 10-15 carslots now have become free. An exact listing will be announced within the next couple of days, so that new teams can take position of these slots. The teams who signed into the waiting list will have the right for the slot prior to new signups. Please note to announce the driver who will drive the qualification until October 15th (which is in 1 week).

We also offer you a trackside ad-pack for Kyoto, which puts the circuit into an event track. For this you have to copy the *.jpg files into the pic folder and the *.dds file into the dds folder of your LFS installation. Dont forget to backup your original files before. On top of this we put a individually made camera layout for the TV Director software v0.3.

Because of their participation in the GT-1 class of the latest Masters of Endurance race, which took place lately on Kyoto GP long as well, the Team F1RST Racing wants to share with us their setup for the FZR, which proved its value in the 12 hr race. More to come about this soon.

all downloads are available in the 16hours forum

robybobey

8th October 2008, 19:16

Is that for GT1 or GT2 etc....?

J@tko

8th October 2008, 19:19

GT-1 class
:thumb:

hyntty

8th October 2008, 19:21

No, Jack, not the setup. The free sign up slots.

SRR Marty

8th October 2008, 19:30

the sum of all classes. how many slots in each class got free will be announced in the next couple of days

chanoman315

8th October 2008, 21:13

Is it a rule to use the ads of the track?

SRR Marty

8th October 2008, 21:15

Is it a rule to use the ads of the track?
of course its not :D
its just a gimmick to get the feeling

RiGun

8th October 2008, 21:15

I've downloaded the pack and tryed the set, it was way faster than mine so I went to pits and stole some parts of it and ported them to my set, at last i was able to break the 2.11 barrier with R3 tyres :D thanks to F1RST Racing for the setup!

chanoman315

8th October 2008, 21:16

of course its not :D
its just a gimmick to get the feeling
:D k! thanks for not putting that as a rule

J@tko

8th October 2008, 21:41

No, Jack, not the setup. The free sign up slots.
Well..... You can see why I thought that - not so big a fail this time :tilt:

Bawbag

8th October 2008, 22:01

pff, 4 hours is nothing. we had to do 5 hours in the 12hr

Same here, 2 of our GT1 drivers had to do 5 hours due to connection problems.

Last years 24 hour race in the MoE, I done 11 and Joona done 10 hours, so consider yourselves lucky. :D

SRR Marty

8th October 2008, 22:36

wow tough guys at mercury eh?

DeadWolfBones

8th October 2008, 22:40

"GT1" doesn't even make sense as the answer to what you thought he was asking, though. There are three cars in the GT1 class.

edit: @ Jack

BenjiMC

8th October 2008, 23:31

Last years 24 hour race in the MoE, I done 11 and Joona done 10 hours, so consider yourselves lucky. :D

But u guys are used to sore bums

chanoman315

8th October 2008, 23:58

But u guys are used to sore bums:iagree:

DeadWolfBones

9th October 2008, 15:35

But u guys are used to sore bums

http://alekwasframed.com/green_tea/burnsauce.gif

chanoman315

16th October 2008, 00:12

We change timezone at the moment of the race.... does that affect?

de Souza

16th October 2008, 01:45

We change timezone at the moment of the race.... does that affect?

Worst thing that can happen is the race to start 1 hour earlier or later for you. If the timezone changes during the race it won't make any difference, you'll still have to race 16 hours.

RiGun

17th October 2008, 00:02

We change timezone at the moment of the race.... does that affect?

You'll warp into time and land in a parallel universe where other 16hs race is being held, be careful of the lag while time traveling :D

commandermas

17th October 2008, 12:43

You'll warp into time and land in a parallel universe where other 16hs race is being held, be careful of the lag while time traveling :D

n1 LOL'd a lot :D

Stefani24

18th October 2008, 22:27

DevilDare

19th October 2008, 07:00

At least 2 teams are just signed up with one driver. (the one thats not me, has won a 12h hour race some months ago). So what do you say now?

huh?! your saying someone sat on their bums and played LFS for 12hours non-stop? :schwitz:

Hypothraxer

19th October 2008, 08:29

At least 2 teams are just signed up with one driver. (the one thats not me, has won a 12h hour race some months ago). So what do you say now?

I say thrombosis 'ahoy'.

Stefani24

19th October 2008, 12:26

huh?! your saying someone sat on their bums and played LFS for 12hours non-stop? :schwitz:
Yes.
And he (me too) is gonna take the 16h alone.

BenjiMC

19th October 2008, 13:07

HF but i can guarantee he wont win this 16Hr.

Dragonmen

19th October 2008, 16:41

At least 2 teams are just signed up with one driver. (the one thats not me, has won a 12h hour race some months ago). So what do you say now?

I know why I've asked.

1st: we want to try out more drivers, to get them enduro experience for MoE
2nd: it is crazy to submit drivers so far before event so I thought if we can submit team roster, or at least 4 drivers plus 2 reserves (as in some established leagues) it would be much more easy for everyone and I will not have to go to the other forum, that I don't understand because it is german, opening new threads about driver change, and hoping that admins will take care of it in time... :shrug:

And I don't really care if someone drove 12h and won. For me it is stupid... :smileypul

DevilDare

24th October 2008, 16:30

someone would be kind enough to tell us the exact time race starts UK time? :shrug:

BenjiMC

24th October 2008, 16:38

19:00
but u have to be on the server 1 hour before.

hyntty

24th October 2008, 16:44

but u have to be on the server 1 hour before.

Where's that said? The schedule thread link (that came via email) didn't work :shrug:

BenjiMC

24th October 2008, 18:58

Where's that said? The schedule thread link (that came via email) didn't work :shrug:

you must not have access to the team leader setion then? i'll PM you.

hyntty

24th October 2008, 19:17

Why the **** is there a teamleader section?? What is soo important that you can't tell to everyone?

Leandrus

25th October 2008, 22:53

There is no Tracker or it's me?
Has been down like for 3 hours now :shrug:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /16hTracker/ on this server.
Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.racing-minds.net Port 80

Blas89

25th October 2008, 23:00

Yeah its down, but its still recording times and all.

chanoman315

25th October 2008, 23:00

Tracker up = servers crash
Tracker down = servers dont crash

arco

25th October 2008, 23:57

I'll refrain myself from ranting, cause I'll just get flamed for it, but will this tracker thing ever gonna work in an event?

Mp3 Astra

26th October 2008, 00:02

I'll refrain myself from ranting, cause I'll just get flamed for it, but will this tracker thing ever gonna work in an event?

It definitely works - it's just a matter of extreme server load when hundreds of people are trying to view it at the same time. Currently they don't have a solution to make it more reliable: nothing that can be done in this race anyway. I guess it'll be something learnt for next time around...

AlienT.

26th October 2008, 00:05

The live streams showing up ok on our website. I wish we'd put a team together for this it looks grand fun :)

SRR Marty

26th October 2008, 00:15

choose the option to look at remote, all servers are syncronised within 1-2 seconds so the data can be well be used.

http://www.racing-minds.net/16hpage/?page=remote

Doorman

26th October 2008, 01:34

Forgive me, but as an outsider I've been watching these races and I'm full of admiration for all those taking part. One poor soul that joined to take over lagged so badly he had to disconnect. It must have been gutting for him.
Anyway, keep it going chaps, you're doing a fine job! :)

AppiePils

26th October 2008, 02:08

With the tracker still running privately, would it be possible to post an hourly screenshot of the tracker to get less rougher estimate who to fight with?

Arrow.

26th October 2008, 02:15

With the tracker still running privately, would it be possible to post an hourly screenshot of the tracker to get less rougher estimate who to fight with?

Yes good idea! is this possible guys? :smileypul

Blas89

26th October 2008, 02:50

They can't because they dont have a visual interface atm... afaik

SRR Marty

26th October 2008, 03:25

^^thats correct, but all data are saved. starting the visual interface could make the servers crash what nobody of us really wants

HL_Nano

26th October 2008, 04:10

The administration continues to positions in any way without the tracker?

evilpimp

26th October 2008, 05:14

Any chance of team leaders or someone to get the current position of their teams?

chanoman315

26th October 2008, 05:30

the lapper commands !pb team bla bla bla, when i get the one from my team, 1 driver has no pb and has driven like 4 hours

Profi

26th October 2008, 08:43

Maybe this event has a special forum where all the ranting is... If not, everyone's being very patient! Even I, as an outsider, was about to whine here about being unable to follow the overall standings. :tilt: I'm just trying to say that some kind of info even in text format would be interesting.

Good to see so many teams still going strong, gj!

Itar (CZ)

26th October 2008, 09:13

Didn't find irc so I'll do it here. I just want to apologize to car #224. They had little drift in the chicane after oval and I hit them sligthly. Hope that car is ok. Sorry.

N I K I

26th October 2008, 10:28

I have to apologize to ConeDodgers nGT team.
I am really sorry for pushing you off there, it was no way on purpose. I just had to use tight line and lost car on oversteer :X
sorry guys

GabbO

26th October 2008, 11:03

Inofficial result here:

http://www.racing-minds.net/forum/thread.php?threadid=154

Btw: Lightning Racing 2nd best XRR, sadly beaten by Team Inferno 2 :S

Well, watching our troubles, this is great :thumb:

dan926

26th October 2008, 11:31

i just wanna say congratulations to the teams and the people who put this together it was good watching it on the streaming:thumb:

R.Kolz

26th October 2008, 11:38

Great race event. Thanks a lot.

dan926

26th October 2008, 11:41

although it was confusing from a spectators pov without the tracker
but that can be improved for next years race ?:thumb:

M.vdBroek

26th October 2008, 11:48

i just wanna say congratulations to the teams and the people who put this together it was good watching it on the streaming:thumb:

Well said, Congratulations to all teams and drivers! :thumb:

StableX

26th October 2008, 12:27

Where are the results?

[UKR] Race King

26th October 2008, 12:32

Where are the results?http://www.racing-minds.net/16hpage/?page=raceresult These are not final.

DevilDare

26th October 2008, 14:18

Thanks for a great event guys! Shame we couldnt continue after 9h, our night stint driver never turned up.... :( still congratulations to all teams who managed to last it! :thumb:

AMB

26th October 2008, 14:24

Thanks for a great event guys! Shame we couldnt continue after 9h, our night stint driver never turned up.... :( still congratulations to all teams who managed to last it! :thumb:

He fell asleep right ? :schwitz:

DevilDare

26th October 2008, 14:29

He fell asleep right ? :schwitz:

indeed :shrug:

AMB

26th October 2008, 14:43

indeed :shrug:

That sucked, I had to stay on till 4 last night lol then wake up early for my last stint :)

DevilDare

26th October 2008, 15:00

That sucked, I had to stay on till 4 last night lol then wake up early for my last stint :)

good you didnt abandoned your team :D

chanoman315

26th October 2008, 15:02

The results are ? wrong? a team that never showed up finished 1st for NGT?

Mysho

26th October 2008, 16:02

The results are ? wrong? a team that never showed up finished 1st for NGT?

Yep wrong, these are just provisional results, so it will need some fixes. :)

HL_Nano

26th October 2008, 16:28

Yes, HL Racing NGT was unable to run .
Sure it will be solved soon.

The other results are in line with reality?

HL Racing GT1 goal fulfilled, gain experience and enjoy the race.

Thank you Brook and Júnior

commandermas

26th October 2008, 16:39

the most lapcounts seem to be right, but as there will be penaltys, the standings will change a bit.

D.Zanetti

26th October 2008, 16:57

ICON Racing's lap count might need checking, we were ahead of HoL racing when we checked remote at end of all races to get a rough estimate as to how well we had done, yet it says we are +1 lap from them on the provisional results.

boothy

26th October 2008, 17:07

It definitely works - it's just a matter of extreme server load when hundreds of people are trying to view it at the same time. Currently they don't have a solution to make it more reliable: nothing that can be done in this race anyway. I guess it'll be something learnt for next time around...

Doesn't help when it autorefreshes every 30 seconds! I mean, it's a huge waste of bandwidth - if you want to see it updated you refresh it yourself, or there is an auto-refresh option you could tick. And there's a lot of code optimisation in the html/css that could be done , whatever js could be minified, and the server could use gzip compression when serving the pages.

anttt69

26th October 2008, 17:54

Boothy mate get your ass over there and sort those Germans out :razz:.
(there tracker was useless)

Although I did enjoy the race immensely driving 007 Parkfield Motorsport GT1 when the tracker failed so early on it ruined the competition part of it where you could race against people in all servers.

Also the live stream only happened for a limited amount of time :(. I dont know what happened last night but these enduro events have been run before & i never heard of this many things going wrong?

Sorry to the guy in the UFR. Server 3 about 1.30am, u turned straight across me there was nothing i could do.

Mp3 Astra

26th October 2008, 18:32

Well, I had a good time, but I had to park the car with an hour to go because I had been up for 28 hours and due to issues, I had to drive the last 3.5 hours of the race. Apparently you can't live on energy drinks...

DeadWolfBones

26th October 2008, 18:55

Doesn't help when it autorefreshes every 30 seconds! I mean, it's a huge waste of bandwidth - if you want to see it updated you refresh it yourself, or there is an auto-refresh option you could tick. And there's a lot of code optimisation in the html/css that could be done , whatever js could be minified, and the server could use gzip compression when serving the pages.

Kaspur's actually completely rewriting the tracker for MoE, but I'm sure the results will be made public when he's done.

Dragonmen

27th October 2008, 08:00

Congrats to all drivers and teams.

It was a fun event, even if we didn't have tracker most of the race it was a new experience for us to manage our race without it :D

See you in MoE and/or next enduro event by Racing Minds! :thumb:

Loko VEN

27th October 2008, 13:57

congrats to all teams!!

Was a great race (first big race fo us)

LFSVenezuela !!

thx admins!!

Kristjan.J

27th October 2008, 22:29

It was fine race, mistakes were made but I'm still happy with it. Probably will see you next year! :thumb: