Round 5 Resutls and Post-Race

[dekojester]

So, I figured I'd start this since I was the head honcho of today's run.

Results and stuff coming later today. I'll be posting them overnight my time (EDT USA) after I get other things I have scheduled done.

Please feel free to comment on anything about the race.

If you wish to contest something, please email it to jpalmerjp (at) gmail.com. I will follow the same appeal process as the rules dictates.

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[hyntty]

I am generally sorry for driving poorly.

[dekojester]

Linked with this post are unofficial results, straight from LFSStats with no doctoring to take into account penalties and whatsit.

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Race Results: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/oneGP/Round5/oneGP_Round5_RaceResultsUnofficial.html

Qualifying Results: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/oneGP/Round5/oneGP_Round5_QualifyingResults.html

Replays of Qual and Race are zipped in this 7Zip file..WinRar I know can open them. http://files.filefront.com/oneGP+Round5+FE37z/;11036146;/fileinfo.html

[dekojester]

Also, tonight, I'm going to scrtinize everyone's race from today.

Expect that I will have a nice long list of penalties. And these won't just be against the drivers, it'll be against the whole teams.

Reasoning: The teams control who drives in the races. Therefore, the teams should ensure that their drivers are fully briefed and prepared to represent them in the fashion the team wishes. In the end, the driver is still driving for the team, and therefore the team is also to be held accountable for their representative's actions.

I am holding EVERYONE to a very high standard - I interpret the purpose of this series to be very similar to F1, and therefore you all should be held to high standards. I am not afraid to take away a win due to a severe transgression.

I was very dissapointed in the behavior of a few drivers. These exhibited to me a mentality which is not, in my mind, how a race driver in an elite series such as this should behave. Disregard for rules, not obeying administrator commands, and more.

But that said, I do expect that the future rounds will go much better. I look forward to seeing you all in two week's time for Round 6.

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[NSX_FReeDoM]

sorry for not being able to drive the SC car for this round as i just got back yesterday from a three weeks holiday

[dekojester]

The following drivers were found to have telepitted from on-track without permission from Race Control and will be penalised two grid spots per instance next race (the next oneGP race this season they race in). These all occured during qualifying.

[HR] colton - 4 instances - 2x4 = 8 grid spots
salaneuvos - 1 instance - 2x1 = 2 grid spots
kart608 - 2 instances - 2x2 = 4 grid spots (was caught and applied during the round.

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[dekojester]

During the race, and a Safety Car Deployment, the field was behind the SC, and the first car behind was not the leader. Before Race Control confirmed the order and had the field under control, garfild12, the leader at the time, overtook the car of salaneuvos, placing him one lap down.

This was not caught in-race.

garfild12 recieves a 30-second time penalty for this.

Also, salaneuvos recieves a 1-lap credit for this mistake.

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[dekojester]

The following complaint was recieved to the Race Director via email:

- LFS USERNAME FOR ANY DRIVER/S INVOLVED: AMB (SR M. Beatie) and Hibex (FRO|Erikksson)

- LAP THAT THE INCIDENT OCCURRED ON: 1

- DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT: While behind the safety car brought out for the accident between AMB Robey and SR Beatie at T2, Beatie drives into the back of Erikksson spinning him round and losing him 3 positions. Whilst under full course yellow flags. FRO driver Erikksson did not make complaint in race to avoid breaking chat regs, he cannot move back to position to avoid passing under yellow flag rules. Beatie makes up positions after this accident and does damage to Erikksson's car.

The incident was caused by Hibex following the car ahead at reduced speed, going off and on the throttle to keep speed up. AMB was following, and accelerated, into the back of Hibex.

AMB made no attempts to avoid the car ahead, and was following too close to the car ahead.

Penalty for this is a WARNING.

[dekojester]

The following incidents were reviewed by the administrators after the race and were deemed to be racing incidents.

- At approximately 0h00m30s into the Official Replay, there was an incident in Turn 2 between several cars, that was started with AMB and robybobey. There was contact between AMB and roby, which sent roby into the tyres and then back into the pack behind. This initial contact is deemed racing incident due to the close quarters of lap 1, and the overtaking car had sufficient overlap.

- At approximately 0h07m35s into the Official Replay, there was an incident in Turn 2 involving salaneuvos, kart608, [HR] colton. The incident was started with colton placing two wheels on the rightside grass on entry to this chicane, and slid infront of the other two cars, which collided with each other due to differences in reaction times.

- At approximately 0h59m50s into the Official Replay, there was an incident coming onto the pit straight between AMB and [HR] colton. AMB had gotten into a bit of a scrap with his teammate, garfild12. This slowed AMB down, and Colton was catching him up, and unable to move out of the way in time, due to lack of grip and proximity. Colton was under Blue Flags, but has the right to not be hindered in his race by anyone, so he did have the right to overtake the currently slower car of AMB.

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[dekojester]

The following incidents were investigated and have penalties, which are indicated.



At about 0h09m15s into the Official Replay, there was an incident in the last sector where [HR] colton and w0o0zZy contacted. The contact was caused by colton starting to recover from a spin. There was no damage and little race impact caused to w0o0zZy, and therefore [HR] colton recieves a WARNING for this.
At about 1h05m30s into the Official Replay, there was an incident in Turns 3-5 with gooberiv and garfild12, where gooberiv ran into garfild12, sending him out of bounds. This was the cooling down lap, which was instructed to be taken cautiously. gooberiv was driving as if on a race lap, while garfild12 was off the gas. gooberiv will be penalized by starting the next race he attends from the pitlane.
At about 0h25m30s into the replay, kart608 crashed and retired. He "ran into" the back of gooberiv who was slow on track with a wounded car. The contact occured right after packet loss lag from kart608, so his complete behaviours leading up to it are unavailable. However, gooberiv is being WARNED to stay off the racing line while driving damaged.

[dekojester]

For the events between [HR] colton and AMB, these are the penalties.

For [HR] colton: Because most of his actions were a result of the actions of AMB, he will be issued a two-point penalty, as well as put on Probation for the next 6 weeks, from the date of the event. This probation applies to all New Dimension Racing Events, and means that any actions may be scrutinized more heavily and stiffer penalties issued.

For AMB: AMB had several other issues aside from with Mr. Colton, and is being Excluded from the race result. He had the argument with colton, showed disrespect towards racers and administratiors, and intentionally crashed into gooberiv at the end of qualifying, and threatened to do it again. AMB is also on New Dimension Racing Probation for the next year, from the date of the event.

In addition, the actions of AMB are resulting in an 8-point penalty to the Sonicrealms Racing Team, as they should ensure that their drivers are capable of respect to all racers regardless of what happens, and that their drivers do not take such actions as intentional crashing, among other things that the Team should be responsible for in such a league.

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[dekojester]

With this post it concludes the investigations. You have until 48 hours from the timestamp on this posting to appeal a decision, via an email with the penalty (as posted), your team, and your justification for why the penalty should be reduced, increased, etc.

Follow this link to get final results: http://new-dimension-racing.bravehost.com/oneGP/Round5/oneGP_Round5_RaceResultsOfficial.html

Points files will be uploaded shortly.

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[slen]

The following drivers were found to have telepitted from on-track without permission from Race Control and will be penalised two grid spots per instance next race (the next oneGP race this season they race in). These all occured during qualifying.

[HR] colton - 4 instances - 2x4 = 8 grid spots
salaneuvos - 1 instance - 2x1 = 2 grid spots
kart608 - 2 instances - 2x2 = 4 grid spots (was caught and applied during the round.

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The precedent (http://onegp.forum-motion.net/onegp-f1-world-series-f4/appeal-decisions-t97.htm#384) was set earlier in the season by SilverArrows77 on this issue.
Drivers would have 10 second penalties (for each instance) to be added to their race time.

[dekojester]

The precedent (http://onegp.forum-motion.net/onegp-f1-world-series-f4/appeal-decisions-t97.htm#384) was set earlier in the season by SilverArrows77 on this issue.
Drivers would have 10 second penalties (for each instance) to be added to their race time.

Well, I'm going to say this on this issue.

Time penalties are not how to handle these. Since cars that telepit are either crashed already, or in qualifying, they will either not be affected by a time penalty, or it's impractical.

So although I know and respect the precedent, I am going to not use it on this. I go for what has more impact than just a time penalty. Time penalties are really only effective on finishers of races. I tend to go for grid and points penalties before time penalties.

But I welcome further comments, and will take any comments on anything into account and due considerations. Thankyou very much, slen

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[AMB]

For the events between [HR] colton and AMB, these are the penalties.

For [HR] colton: Because most of his actions were a result of the actions of AMB, he will be issued a two-point penalty, as well as put on Probation for the next 6 weeks, from the date of the event. This probation applies to all New Dimension Racing Events, and means that any actions may be scrutinized more heavily and stiffer penalties issued.

For AMB: AMB had several other issues aside from with Mr. Colton, and is being Excluded from the race result. He had the argument with colton, showed disrespect towards racers and administratiors, and intentionally crashed into gooberiv at the end of qualifying, and threatened to do it again. AMB is also on New Dimension Racing Probation for the next year, from the date of the event.

In addition, the actions of AMB are resulting in an 8-point penalty to the Sonicrealms Racing Team, as they should ensure that their drivers are capable of respect to all racers regardless of what happens, and that their drivers do not take such actions as intentional crashing, among other things that the Team should be responsible for in such a league.

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That was harsh, but who said I was racing for SR? Just because I had the tag and skin doesn't mean I was racing for them, they didn't inform you I was racing for them, and so you can't take points away because it wasn't official, but next race i'll behave myself, aslong as you keep an eye on those GWR so called racers, I wasn't the only one to complain about them, but I WAS the only one who had the balls to say what I thought, it's funny how you said you treat this series like the real thing, but would you see someone blocking the leaders in real F1?

[hyntty]

Driver Names

8a: oneGP requires all driver names, while racing in an oneGP event, to be in the following format:

- TEAM TAG - written in team colours and being no more that five (5) letter/digits

- DRIVERS REAL SURNAME - written in white only (may also inculde their first name initial if desired)



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Oh, and technically you can end up with a penalty:



10) Amendments and Admin decisions

10b: Where any particular rule doesnt have a specific penalty assigned, the penalty given will be at the discretion of event admin.

[AMB]

Don't mind if i get a penalty aslong as SR don't get one, because it was my fault and like I said i wasn't racing for them, otherwise they would of stated it here or on the OneGP forum.

[Gil07]

We at SR accept our penalty, and think it's fair... It's our own fault we chose you isn't it?

here's hoping for a more incident-free next round ;)

[pearcy_2k7]

Im dissapointed with the admin team, colton obviously showed little respect after his slanging match with me on the server for no apparent reason, every incident more or less has one of the [GWR] guys involved, if someone was driving like that in IGTC do you think they would let them continue to ruin the leaders race? Yes matthew did react badly but after various incident with colton and yet you turned a blind eye, [GWR] should be suspended from the series indefinately.

[Gil07]

Please Reece, let me handle this ok? What messy did is unacceptable, end of discussion.

[Mazar]

colton obviously showed little respect after his slanging match with me on the server for no apparent reason,

Huh..You where kicked from the server, twice for flaming Colton when asked not too. Colton had been there all day, no problem. You came in and within minutes had made a argument with him, your attitude was why you got you kicked by me.

This was not even on race day, you where not a competitor..

M. Beatie just about ruined the race of all serious series competitor's.

Best, Maz

[pearcy_2k7]

My attitude towards you was started by you not doing anything, what does it matter if i wasnt a competitor? you didnt know at that point... i was dissapionted by your lack of actions towards him, hes obviously a complete **** which was shown on race day. If youd have saved the replay you would have seen he came at me for no reason, i was simply explaining to matthew that garfild was racing for us then he decided to start throwing comments at me some even aggresive, so dont start trying to back him up. I have lots of witnesses that saw what happened and will back me up on this so i dont appreciate you trying to defend him because it wont happen.

[CSF]

Come on Reece calm down, it's not worth the argument. SR will accept the penalty and look to bounce back at the next round. It's no big deal. :):thumb:

[AMB]

I ruined the race for all competitors? Well i did hit someone when the safety car was out because he was accelerating then braking and I accept that was my fault, I watched the replay and the 1st lap incident was a racing incident, Colton or whatever showed no respect to ANY racer lapping him, he swerved to try block me and slowed down garfild and he gets a 2 point penalty lol, and you wonder why I show you no respect, the reason is, your a complete joke.

edit: I only see a few serious competitors, well actually, all of the racers except GWR, i've had incidents with both of them, because they don't know what the blue flag means, my advice to them is obey the flag or go back to the Oval, at least there they don't get lapped too often, and I apparently disrespect every racer/admin well that's a load of crap, if that was the case i would of crashed everyone I passed, if you see my racing you'd notice the respect I give when i make clean passes and obey the flags, unlike some so called 'elite drivers'

[Mazar]

Well i did hit someone when the safety car was out because he was accelerating then braking and I accept that was my fault

You hit him due to being a metre behind him.

Nothing to do with what he did or did not do, it was not because of his actions, but entirely due to yours he lost positions and you gained them.

Best, Maz

[AMB]

Are GWR paying you to turn a blind eye? do you think 'Elite Drivers' ignore the blue flags? and hold up numerous drivers?

Seems to me you need to check the replay and look at what they were doing not just me.

[dekojester]

How in God green Earth am I turning a blind Eye to GWR ?

I've still penalised them in some way. The penalties are to the level of the crime. I only look at what's in the time between start of qual and end of race. between weekends, unless it's really massive, then I really do not penalise for that.

AMBs actions were unacceptable to any series, and really, a series would probably ban him for years, if not life, for the act of intentional wrecking.

And for the record, I watched everyones replay, and Colton and Barnsley DID do well underblue flags, except in a few instances where the person passing was impatient. The person issuing the blue flag STILL has to take the pass cleanly, the blue flagged driver can still race their race and hold their line. They are NOT required to pull over into the kitty litter, brake, have a picnic, then resume once you've passed. That's not how this works. The following car has all responsibility for safely making the pass, the blue flagged car has all responsibility to not contest the pass once it's made. I did penalise colton in-race for blue flag violations, recall this.

dekojester.

[AMB]

Funny how i've never received a penatly in any other series i've raced, even the big ones,

But maybe you should re-think why your so called series is so empty and you have to let people like the GWR guys race, and I don't call that a race, it's like arm wrestling a two year old, no challenge whatsoever.

[evilpimp]

All I have to say is that after watching the replay, Messy's remarks and driving was a direct answer to the GWR's driving. Not saying they were acceptable, not at all, but I understand why he did it.

Tbh, Messy did go a little too far but the GWR guys were asking for it. What they did when being lapped was completly unacceptable and it is simply unbelievable that a lapped car dive bombs a car which is clearly faster and lapping him and get's away with it without a DQ.

About Messy's penalty's, they are in a way fair but I think the point penalty to SR is a little harsh.

And Mazar, tbh, the kicking in the server should have been for Colton and Pearcy. Pearcy wasn't the only one arguing. Colton was kinda asking for it aswell.

This is coming from someone who is pretty neutral and has nothing personal agaisnt GWR or Messy.

[Storm_Cloud]

Whatever you did Messy (and I am not getting involved in that particular debate thanks :)) you were actually representing two teams on Saturday - SR and spdo. Both have spent a long time in LFS building supreme reputations.

Ask yourself (don't tell me or anyone else on here, just think about it) if everything you did was becoming of two such respected teams. Ignore what was done to you - did you behave in a way that is a credit to the teams that you belong to and raced for on Saturday?

[AMB]

Nope I didn't, but when something goes wrong and I know it's not my fault and nothing happens I over react, but i'll prove them wrong next race.

[wOoOzZy]

I didn't watch Beattie's replay so I'm not gonna comment on that. But I do think that Colton's penalty might have been a bit light considering how much he blocked other drivers, myself included, under blue flag. Boogie at least made attempts to get out of the way. I understand you don't have to leave the racing line while under a blue flag but I feel that Colton was making things especially difficult.

That being said.. The GWR drivers made the race a lot more dangerous than it should have been. I'm suggesting if they don't improve their driving by the next race that they be suspended for the season.

No hard feelings guys.

[dekojester]

The post-race penalty for Colton is "a bit light" because I DID penalise him for Ignoring blue flags. Penalizing him for it again post-race is just double. He's on probation, that means the penalties for him will be much stricter regardless.

And if someone could point out to me a point where one of the GWR guys dive-bombed someone ? I didn't really see any dive-bombing when watching their replays. If someone points to me at what times in the replay they occured, I will gladly reconsider the penalties.

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[evilpimp]

I'll rewatch it tomorow and see if I saw it correctly but I saw from Messy's POV and Messy passed him right before the S/F straight and then Messy brakes, one of the GWR guys brakes super late and knocks Messy almost in the sand. I'll try to find it tomorow and see if it was indeed a dive bomb. Meh.

[dekojester]

So, I realised when cleaning my desk that I missed an investigation, into Colton from a late-race incident, so I have reviewed this. Here is the new outcome:

At approximately 1h03m10s, a series begins with AMB and colton. Colton gets overtaken by AMB into turn 12, then going into Turn 13, colton rear-ends AMB, spinning both out. This contact is deemed to be avoidable, and although unclear, potentially intentional. However, due to inability to completely confirm this, this will not be assumed to be the case.

The new penalty for [HR] Colton is Disqualification from resuls, and Probation is increased from 6 weeks to 9 Months, from the date of the event.

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[dekojester]

I didn't watch Beattie's replay so I'm not gonna comment on that. But I do think that Colton's penalty might have been a bit light considering how much he blocked other drivers, myself included, under blue flag. Boogie at least made attempts to get out of the way. I understand you don't have to leave the racing line while under a blue flag but I feel that Colton was making things especially difficult.

That being said.. The GWR drivers made the race a lot more dangerous than it should have been. I'm suggesting if they don't improve their driving by the next race that they be suspended for the season.

No hard feelings guys.

I rewatched both GWR guy's replays, and gooberiv was very keen to get out of the way of drivers lapping him.

I do expect that the GWR team will get better as they get more time on the tracks for oneGP. But we will see, for sure.

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[Mazar]

Can we all please get back to building this series as, all that needs saying has been said post R5. Look forward to R6, the WR was lowered at least twice and at least 3 oneGP drivers are under the old WR for the next round on day one of testing at Aston North Reverse.

On a more important note.

Round5 was run in the absence *since round4* of the original series organizer. We just about, thanks to Deko and NDR team managed to make the event happen in a very short space of time once it became clear the organizer could not and was not going to make the event.

As there is still no word, we must make plans for the future efficient running of the oneGP championship. I believe NDR should take over the running of the series in the absence of the original organizer, they have the tools, people and motivation to what the series needs in organization, event running and most importantly promotion.

In order to give them time to plan and prepare for Round6 on, please can we discuss this now and could team managers give their thoughts and a vote on whether this should or should not happen.

Best, Maz

[Gil07]

I agree with letting NDR take over, since it doesn't seem like Silver will be back so soon :shrug:

[wOoOzZy]

I'm all for NDR taking over the series. We have no way of knowing if silver will be back tomorrow or a year from now. And deko has shown than he's more than capable of running the series.

[Mazar]

Re: oneGP race organisation
As the manager for AMD Capsule Racing, I think that is in the best interest of the oneGp series is to have active administration.

Therefore, if NDR decide to take over the series, I have no reason to disagree.


Above message from Thunderhead of AMD Capsule Racing. Received as PM.

Formula Racing Organization, agree with NDR taking over the organization of the championship and believe this in the best interests of the oneGP series in the original organizers absence.

Many thanks Woozy for the response from AA, yes also i though NDR Deko did a great job and looking forward to round six already.

Best, Maz

[evilpimp]

Rising Phoenix Motorsports agrees to let NDR admin the league.

I've been racing in NDR leagues since I started league racing and they are really great. Deko really wants the race to go smoothly and isn't scared to give penalty's were needed. I have absolutly no problem with having them admin the races.

[slen]

Am I the only person embarrassed about this race?

The drivers acted terribly.
The race admin did a poor job.
This race should have been embarrassing to everyone involved.

I do not believe that Silver would want anything like this for the league that he created and put so much work into.

That being said, I do not think that dekojester should be the admin of any other race on the calendar (any race at all). It's quite obvious after watching the replay that he handled this one extremely poorly, and that's all that should be said there.

To respect the series, the creator of the series, the drivers, and the teams... I think that we all should take a brief hiatus from the series, until Silver returns.

[evilpimp]

How did he handle it poorly? He gave penalty's were needed.

When soeone chatted without permission he gave a warning. When someone lacked respect he gave a drive through, when someone ignored blue flags he gave a stop-go. What else could you possibly want from him?

I think he did a pretty good job and gave out the penalty's that were needed. He can't control how poorly the drivers act or drive. But he can surely give out penalty's to make sure they get there head straight and race fair which is what he did quite well.

Once again, point me to 1 situation were he handled it poorly please?

[mosseman(EST)]

am I The Only Person Embarrassed About This Race?

The Drivers Acted Terribly.
The Race Admin Did A Poor Job.
This Race Should Have Been Embarrassing To Everyone Involved.

I Do Not Believe That Silver Would Want Anything Like This For The League That He Created And Put So Much Work Into.

That Being Said, I Do Not Think That Dekojester Should Be The Admin Of Any Other Race On The Calendar (any Race At All). It's Quite Obvious After Watching The Replay That He Handled This One Extremely Poorly, And That's All That Should Be Said There.

To Respect The Series, The Creator Of The Series, The Drivers, And The Teams... I Think That We All Should Take A Brief Hiatus From The Series, Until Silver Returns.


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[dekojester]

Am I the only person embarrassed about this race?

The drivers acted terribly.
The race admin did a poor job.
This race should have been embarrassing to everyone involved.

I do not believe that Silver would want anything like this for the league that he created and put so much work into.

That being said, I do not think that dekojester should be the admin of any other race on the calendar (any race at all). It's quite obvious after watching the replay that he handled this one extremely poorly, and that's all that should be said there.

To respect the series, the creator of the series, the drivers, and the teams... I think that we all should take a brief hiatus from the series, until Silver returns.

I do appreciate hearing how I might have not handled situations in the best way, but I do not appreciate just being told that I did poorly with no explanation. I realize that I'm not perfect, I make mistakes, I am human, I admit that. I'm not the end all be all of Race Directors, but I try to let racers race. But I would like to hear what, in your opinion, I did that was poor. I would like to know this to know how I can improve.

Thankyou.

dekojester

[Mazar]

I think that we all should take a brief hiatus from the series, until Silver returns.

That is definitely a option, to scrap the series.

I doubt anyone would chance being left in the lurch again a 3rd of the way into the restarted series so i doubt a hiatus would work. But is this a fair option for all the drivers that have put massive efforts into this league so far?


I do not believe that Silver would want anything like this for the league that he created and put so much work into.

Silver could not find the time to post results after Round4! but was able to find time to race with us on our server practicing for round5. He could not find the time to post the stats, or results. A 30min job, no longer than the races he was driving in. This is effort?

The drivers on the other hand, are testing and developing sets for weeks, day after day to compete with their colleagues and peer's. Including your own teams driver, Woozy.

With all due respect. I really do not think the previous organizers effort compares to the teams or drivers..I also do not think this series to be about organizers, its about the drivers and teams competing and they should get rewarded for their efforts. Not abandoned in the middle of a championship race.

Do not forget, Deko stood in at the last minute for a absent organizer, whom as far as we know, failed to provide any one with any word at all. Including his own team members.

I and many others have driven in events handled by Deko and found them well run, delivering what they promise. Unlike the previous organization.

Best, Maz

[JoRuss]

Round5 was run in the absence *since round4* of the original series organizer. We just about, thanks to Deko and NDR team managed to make the event happen in a very short space of time once it became clear the organizer could not and was not going to make the event.
Yes, that was short note, but such experienced race director shouldn't have made that weird decisions.

- Letting one racer with burned clutch crawl to the pits (having other players endangered with his slow and almost uncontrolable movements) and then DNF'ing him in pitlane for burned clutch.

- Above mentioned player was asked to revving engine in pits when his clutch temerature was already going down. Just to make sure he won't be able to continue racing?

- And finally disqualifing him again for leaving race server early...

[1GP RaceAdmin] :AMD D.Opasik - DNF - Reason: Clutch
[1GP RaceAdmin] :AMD D.Opasik will be penalised post-race for disconnecting from server early.
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Likely penalty: DSQ


- Having co-admin mate with almost identital name on server chatting and commenting situation on track...

[1GP RaceAdmin] :[GWR]M.Barnsley - I will spec you shortly
[GWR]M.Barnsley :no im getting out
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Maybe.
[1GP Race Admin] :You're making about 2mm progress every few secs
[1GP Race Admin] :Should be back on the tarmac by tommorrow :D
[1GP RaceAdmin] :I think we've got two cars beached.
[1GP Race Admin] :and Miles is working on it :P
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Wow.
[1GP Race Admin] :Barnsley's put
[1GP Race Admin] :out
[1GP Race Admin] :and so is Miles!
[GWR]M.Barnsley :i got uot
[1GP Race Admin] :Out of the sand
[1GP Race Admin] ::-)
[1GP Race Admin] :That was quite spectacular

do race admins with "profesional" attitude should act like this?

- forgetting about given then cleared for some reason(?) penalties

[GWR]M.Barnsley :my drive throught needs to be reisued
[GWR]M.Barnsley: DRIVE-THROUGH PENALTY
[GWR]M.Barnsley :ty
[GWR]M.Barnsley completed his drive-through penalty

c'mon... does driver really needs to ask for penalty?

- Not keeping his own words.

[1GP RaceAdmin] : NOTICE: Please Drive to pitlane (inlap) after finishing. NO parking, spining, etc post-race
and at the end of race:

[1GP RaceAdmin] :Drive and get to pitlane, and pull into a garage stall
[GWR]M.Barnsley :sry
[1GP Race Admin] :LOL
[1GP RaceAdmin] :NO CHAT
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Still no chat, please
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[1GP RaceAdmin] : Alright, I'll open it up.
[1GP Race Admin] : Yo Maz
[1GP Race Admin] : :-)

and at this point there were still racers left on cool-down laps driving to the pits as requested earlier.

About not serving blue flag of one of GWR racer... Who really thinks that Drive-Through or Stop-Go presents any threat for dude who is 10 or 20 laps down relatively to the driver who is blocked by him? I don't.

and finally about the race... seriously... someone has problems with 'respect' thing... Just few examples:

[1GP RaceAdmin] : [SR] M.Beattie - I'm beginning to suspect that you have some disrespect here

[1GP RaceAdmin] :Alright, those asshats who do "Teh Oval SUcks!!!111!!" clearly have no respect for others.
[1GP RaceAdmin] :IMHO.

[1GP RaceAdmin] :In addition, [SR] M.Beattie will face extra investigations after race for lack...
[1GP RaceAdmin] :...of respect to other competitors

That notices should be passed to team managers after race instead of arguing with drivers during race. IMHO.

As there is still no word, we must make plans for the future efficient running of the oneGP championship. I believe NDR should take over the running of the series in the absence of the original organizer, they have the tools, people and motivation to what the series needs in organization, event running and most importantly promotion.
Just to remind you that this is not NDR series, they just agreed to step in and help with keeping this series running, period. But since they come to this I have weird feeling that they want to steal it and run on their own with their own stated rules (clearly disobeying existing rules and precendents)
and finally:
(original) (http://onegp.forum-motion.net/onegp-f1-world-series-f4/my-use-of-this-particular-forum-t158.htm)
by dekojester Yesterday at 5:15 pm
So, because I don't have admin here and don't have ability to edit or sticky or close or open anything, I'm going to post everything from now in the LFSForums subsection for oneGP. I will be creating a New Dimension Racing subsection soon for oneGP, once I get the fourm set up for us, so that we may have an extra place to post than the LFSForums.

how not having admin rights in forum makes his work any different and
even not possible to complete?

Silver could not find the time to post results after Round4! but was able to find time to race with us on our server practicing for round5. He could not find the time to post the stats, or results. A 30min job, no longer than the races he was driving in. This is effort?
round 4 was 28.06 2008 and Silver was gone missing 2 days later... add some time for post race appeals he was waiting for and there's not much time left for posting the results (not to mention having some real life things issues that pays the bills). And since you have no idea what was the cause of his absence you have no right to question all the effort he put into organising and running this series with just one sily sentence.

just my 5 cents.. no change needed...

[jasonmatthews]

Also giving our driver a penalty of 8 points I didn't agree with. You stuck with this penalty even after you admitted you missed the incident that caused his reaction 1st time around that he got so angry about and when you did see it you kept the penalty? I admit his reaction and language were totally inappropriate, but come on....

Quote "At approximately 1h03m10s, a series begins with AMB and colton. Colton gets overtaken by AMB into turn 12, then going into Turn 13, colton rear-ends AMB, spinning both out. This contact is deemed to be avoidable, and although unclear, potentially intentional. However, due to inability to completely confirm this, this will not be assumed to be the case.

The new penalty for [HR] Colton is Disqualification from resuls, and Probation is increased from 6 weeks to 9 Months, from the date of the event."

[evilpimp]

JoRuss, for the clutch I think it was a fair call. In real life do you make the guy teleport to a certain spectate mode or do you black flag him and see if the damage is at a state were he can keep going. I think he asked to keep the engin revving because if you dont and you pull out of the pits the clutch gets badly damaged.

Now don't tell me a DSQ isn't needed when a racer has his clutch burnt and clearly will be a danger to others.

The co admin did have exessive chat indeed.

For the penalty you said was cleared it wasn't as far as I can remember. He served his drive-through during safety car period and was told he was going to be reassigned his penalty once the track went green again. They were about to do it and he asked for it so they did give it anyways lol.

Tbh, JoRuss, if silver fails to continue a running league without notice, he shouldn't have to start it. NDR was nice enough to make efforts and time to help us finish the series anyways because we love it. If they weren't there the series would be dead. What Silver did shouldn't happen. Are you going to tell me that the better admin is the one who ditches everyone? Now don't get me wrong, something bad could of happened to him. If so it is not his fault. But we aren't going to wait forever for him... We gotta move on with the league... LOTA did the same with SR Cup. The initial admin gave up on it because it was wayyy too much work and LOTA decided to take it from there with the initial admin still being in the admin team which made things easier and kept the league running so that all the efforts that ppl put into it isn't lost.

The only thing I found exessive was the 8 point penalty given to SR. I understand that the penalty was given because the team must make sure that the driver knows and follows the rules but a DQ already puts them 8 points behind what they should of had. An additional 8 points makes a 16 point penalty pretty much which is indeed exessive.

Overall I found the admining great. Apart from that single penalty.

[Mazar]

I admit his reaction and language were totally inappropriate,

As you know, Silver had NO tolerance for swearing on server, Messy would have been banned let alone disqualified had Silver been there. No doubts about it and we all know that.


Just to remind you that this is not NDR series, they just agreed to step in and help with keeping this series running, period. But since they come to this I have weird feeling that they want to steal it and run on their own with their own stated rules (clearly disobeying existing rules and precendents)

Let me remind you, it was me who asked them to come in.

This series has no admin control, no promotion and no server accessible by admin. If the teams are not in agreement with NDR running it, its over, finished. Make you minds up now please and not waste any more of the teams and drivers time.

Best, Maz

[pearcy_2k7]

They can run it, but not like they did last time. If they want to say "Take it or leave it" I will happily admin the next race myself if need be, i will also have a trusted co-admin that i know has some admin experience.

If you want to go down the route, i will happily donate myself..

[slen]

Mazar, I'm blaming you for single handedly screwing up round 5.

[Mazar]

Mazar, I'm blaming you for single handedly screwing up round 5.

What? lol...

There would have been no round5 without deko..and where were you when help was needed? your AA team, dont show to drive, dont show to help admin, dont even bother to pass word the organisers wont be there? yet you blame me...

I give up...enjoy.

Best, Maz

[slen]

Did you not also bring in GWR?

[Mazar]

Did you not also bring in GWR?

No...nothing to do with me. As usual, not even half right.

Where were you when AA screwed up the event and whole series by not getting word out that AA Silver Arrows wasnt going to show up? above it shows you may well have known what was going on in joruss's post. Sounds as if you guys new all along Silver wasn't going to show up. Nice of you to let us know..thanks

round 4 was 28.06 2008 and Silver was gone missing 2 days later... add some time for post race appeals he was waiting for and there's not much time left for posting the results (not to mention having some real life things issues that pays the bills). And since you have no idea what was the cause of his absence you have no right to question all the effort he put into organising and running this series with just one sily sentence.

Silver was racing on our server for hours, when questioned by Robey about official results from ROUND3!!! he went to post them right there and then, promising to bring the Round4 results out immediately. There where no protests awaiting anything...as a team manager, driver in the series, for sure i have the right to question the effort put in.

Maz...

[mosseman(EST)]

No...nothing to do with me. As usual, not even half right.

Where were you when AA screwed up the event and whole series by not getting word out that AA Silver Arrows wasnt going to show up? above it shows you may well have known what was going on in joruss's post. Sounds as if you guys new all along Silver wasn't going to show up. Nice of you to let us know..thanks

Maz...


Why are you balming AA now?It was Only Silvers side project...our team had nothing to do with it..just as other teams in onegp(only just for racing there).

[dekojester]

Yes, that was short note, but such experienced race director shouldn't have made that weird decisions.

I would like to first start off by thanking you for leaving me these comments on what I made mistakes on, I do appreciate hearing those, and will correct them for next round. I will also provide you with explanations of my reasoning behind each thing, to help everyone get an idea of what went in, in my head, to making that decision.

- Letting one racer with burned clutch crawl to the pits (having other players endangered with his slow and almost uncontrolable movements) and then DNF'ing him in pitlane for burned clutch.

- Above mentioned player was asked to revving engine in pits when his clutch temerature was already going down. Just to make sure he won't be able to continue racing?

- And finally disqualifing him again for leaving race server early...

[1GP RaceAdmin] :AMD D.Opasik - DNF - Reason: Clutch
[1GP RaceAdmin] :AMD D.Opasik will be penalised post-race for disconnecting from server early.
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Likely penalty: DSQ

The reason I let him get to pitlane was because the field was under SC, and it was less of a hindrance to the rest of the racers. If it was under green, I would have had him get off-course, and speced him.

I asked him to keep his motor revving so that the engine wouldn't turn off when it went out of physics, and wanted him in a garage stall to not be blocking the pitlane. If he had done this and put the car in neutral and the full brake on, he could have revved without continuing to damage his clutch.

I read in the ruleset a line about not leaving the server early, and enforced it.

- Having co-admin mate with almost identital name on server chatting and commenting situation on track...

[1GP RaceAdmin] :[GWR]M.Barnsley - I will spec you shortly
[GWR]M.Barnsley :no im getting out
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Maybe.
[1GP Race Admin] :You're making about 2mm progress every few secs
[1GP Race Admin] :Should be back on the tarmac by tommorrow :D
[1GP RaceAdmin] :I think we've got two cars beached.
[1GP Race Admin] :and Miles is working on it :P
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Wow.
[1GP Race Admin] :Barnsley's put
[1GP Race Admin] :out
[1GP Race Admin] :and so is Miles!
[GWR]M.Barnsley :i got uot
[1GP Race Admin] :Out of the sand
[1GP Race Admin] ::-)
[1GP Race Admin] :That was quite spectacular
do race admins with "profesional" attitude should act like this?

This situation is something I have planned to handle prior to the next race. Jo53PHS, the other admin in server that day, has had habits like this, but fortunately, they have been worse in past, but I've had a chat with him, which has sorted him. But I will make sure he knows next time not to comment on situations, except to inform me someone's beached or crashed or other pertinent info that I might miss while I tab through the whole field.

[/quote] - forgetting about given then cleared for some reason(?) penalties

[GWR]M.Barnsley :my drive throught needs to be reisued
[GWR]M.Barnsley: DRIVE-THROUGH PENALTY
[GWR]M.Barnsley :ty
[GWR]M.Barnsley completed his drive-through penalty
c'mon... does driver really needs to ask for penalty?[/quote]

I had cleared the penalty because of the SC deployment, as series do not allow penalties of that nature to be served under yellows, and was about to reassign the penalty when he said that. I was about to when I tabbed to his car, and saw him in pits. I left it off until he exited incase I had to throw on an extra penalty. I didn't forget about the penalty, I just hadn't reapplied it yet. There have been Lapper shortcuts to assigning penalties now, so those are going to be issued quicker than the standard /p_dt x.

- Not keeping his own words.

[1GP RaceAdmin] : NOTICE: Please Drive to pitlane (inlap) after finishing. NO parking, spining, etc post-raceand at the end of race:

[1GP RaceAdmin] :Drive and get to pitlane, and pull into a garage stall
[GWR]M.Barnsley :sry
[1GP Race Admin] :LOL
[1GP RaceAdmin] :NO CHAT
[1GP RaceAdmin] :Still no chat, please
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[1GP RaceAdmin] : Alright, I'll open it up.
[1GP Race Admin] : Yo Maz
[1GP Race Admin] : :-)
and at this point there were still racers left on cool-down laps driving to the pits as requested earlier.

The reason I did not enforce this at this point was because there was one car on their cool-down lap at this point, and he was in the final complex of corners to pitlane. In future, I will enforce this, however, until every car is in pitlane. I will also restrict spectators reconnecting until after all cars are returned, which is easily communicable via folks watching in Remote, which is now back up.

About not serving blue flag of one of GWR racer... Who really thinks that Drive-Through or Stop-Go presents any threat for dude who is 10 or 20 laps down relatively to the driver who is blocked by him? I don't.

All in all, I could have parked gooberiv for being dangerously slow, but with other issues when this became an issue, I was unable to mark this. But other than that, I have no explanations.

and finally about the race... seriously... someone has problems with 'respect' thing... Just few examples:

[1GP RaceAdmin] : [SR] M.Beattie - I'm beginning to suspect that you have some disrespect here

[1GP RaceAdmin] :Alright, those asshats who do "Teh Oval SUcks!!!111!!" clearly have no respect for others.
[1GP RaceAdmin] :IMHO.

[1GP RaceAdmin] :In addition, [SR] M.Beattie will face extra investigations after race for lack...
[1GP RaceAdmin] :...of respect to other competitors
That notices should be passed to team managers after race instead of arguing with drivers during race. IMHO.

Indeed, this is a thing that I do generally handle after the race. It was my error to discuss it (and likely exacerbate it) in the server. For this I apologize.

Just to remind you that this is not NDR series, they just agreed to step in and help with keeping this series running, period. But since they come to this I have weird feeling that they want to steal it and run on their own with their own stated rules (clearly disobeying existing rules and precendents)

Yes, I agreed to step in and help. And yes, I might have disobeyed existing precedents, but I did so where I felt the impact of the precedent was not something that would cause enough impact to the racers. But as far as I know, I saw no disobeying of the rules that is a serious transgression.

and finally:

how not having admin rights in forum makes his work any different and
even not possible to complete?

round 4 was 28.06 2008 and Silver was gone missing 2 days later... add some time for post race appeals he was waiting for and there's not much time left for posting the results (not to mention having some real life things issues that pays the bills). And since you have no idea what was the cause of his absence you have no right to question all the effort he put into organising and running this series with just one sily sentence.

just my 5 cents.. no change needed...

I did not mean to say that I was completely abandoning his forum, but that I was going to leave official postings for the LFSForums, so that I might be able to stick the important announcements. If SilverArrows were to return and wish to have his series back, I will say, "Welcome back, Mr SilverArrows. I'm sorry for anything that I may have changed, you're more than welcome to put it back, but I did what I felt I had to do to keep the series running as efficiently as possible in your absence."

I would also like to plea to everyone to not take Round 5 as a complete example of my work. This round had extraordinary circumstances, such as short notice that it would actually happen, and short notice for me, the admin. I wish that people wait for Round 6 to be done and over before coming to a conclusion on my capabilities. Consider that, coming into the race, I only had the ruleset as was posted, no information on who was going to show up, and to be honest, the day before, which was the only day I had to prepare, I spent most of it reading the rules, and watching the Rounds 1 thru 4 race replays. So now that I've gone through one very rocky round, I personally expect that I will be back on my usual form for Round 6.

Sincerely,
dekojester

[Gil07]

This situation is something I have planned to handle prior to the next race. Jo53PHS, the other admin in server that day, has had habits like this, but fortunately, they have been worse in past, but I've had a chat with him, which has sorted him. But I will make sure he knows next time not to comment on situations, except to inform me someone's beached or crashed or other pertinent info that I might miss while I tab through the whole field.

Can I suggest using Ventrilo or TS for that?

[dekojester]

Can I suggest using Ventrilo or TS for that?

This is one thing that is a request of mine, as it was for Round 5. I wished to have everyone in TS, but when realising that I had issues with TS (Which I was not with Ventrilo either before, during or after, which prevented me using Ventrilo).

I have a subchannel in the Fragmaster Ventrilo, which I request that EVERYONE use for the race. You do not need to be able to talk, you just need to listen. I much prefer this because it's easier to talk than type an admin order.

And with chat, it doesn't necessarily take your eyes of the screen.

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[Mazar]

This is one thing that is a request of mine, as it was for Round 5. I wished to have everyone in TS, but when realising that I had issues with TS

FRO team speak crashed out with the whole of the Storm Servers going down that day. Nothing could be done about it, sorry.

Best, Maz

[JoRuss]

No to be wrongfully undestood. I don't see a problem running league in place of Silver by someone else due his sudden absence, just wanted to make sure it'll be still his league by the time his back.

I wrote my thoughts just because dekojester asked for them in one of previous posts and I'm happy he took 'em into account.


There would have been no round5 without deko..and where were you when help was needed? your AA team, dont show to drive, dont show to help admin, dont even bother to pass word the organisers wont be there? yet you blame me...

Where were you when AA screwed up the event and whole series by not getting word out that AA Silver Arrows wasnt going to show up? above it shows you may well have known what was going on in joruss's post. Sounds as if you guys new all along Silver wasn't going to show up. Nice of you to let us know..thanks
Aren't you being paranoid there?
yes, Silver is AA team member, but assuming that you were somehow cheated by not knowing about his absence is ridiculous...
You may see here (http://onegp.forum-motion.net/onegp-f1-world-series-f4/confirmations-for-round-5-t153.htm) information about no responses from Silver, probably caused by computer related problems - probably - cause we don't know what's going on with him.

Silver was racing on our server for hours, when questioned by Robey about official results from ROUND3!!! he went to post them right there and then, promising to bring the Round4 results out immediately. There where no protests awaiting anything...as a team manager, driver in the series, for sure i have the right to question the effort put in.
Sorry, can't answer for him... you have to wait for an answer till his return.

[tenmantaylor]

Hi guys havnt read in depth the R5 analysis or really know the ins and outs of the current oneGP situation but here are some of my questions and thoughts:

-Has silver abandoned his project without putting in place an adequate chain of command to keep the series going? If so I can only assume someone else whoever it may be going out of their way to keep the schedule running should be applauded. How anyone can criticize without offering a viable alternative without cancelling the series I do not know.

-As for R5, FE Gold was never going to be an easy non eventful race for the BF1. This was compounded by some poor driving and even worse attitudes towards the stand in admins both during the race and in this thread.

-Im new to the series and am immediately disappointed with this recent situation. It seems like alot of people here seem more intent on personal vendettas and scrutinizing admin than just getting on with what you can control - driving.

-The rules should be clear and beyond reproach. There should be no discussion over decisions during races, the final say should always IMO be a post race decision. I dont think anyone should expect instant decisions this isnt F1 where video and multiple stewards can analyze footage on the spot. Maybe oneGP needs a more streamlined set of rules to make it simpler and less subjective as it appeared at times in R5.

-In future just keep your heads down, keep your calm drive the cleanest fastest race you can and if it doesnt go your way bite your lip and appeal post race if necessary and lets make oneGP into a great place to race and be. Not a bitter cesspit.

See you on the track :thumb:

[dekojester]

So, I appreciate all the discussion that has gone into this.

I have a few things that I will be posting topics on the oneGP forum for discussion into rules mods and other things. I will primarily use this forum for race discussions and confirmations and post-race threads, and expanded discussion will take place on the other forum, and I hope that teams continue to use their subforums there for oneGP race recaps and such.

But as I feel this thread has run its course, and nothing more can be said without being redundant or being attacking, I'm locking this now. PM me with any comments about this.

Thankyou.

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