Test Patch Y32 - Final Test

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST


Hello Racers.

Here is a new Test Patch, Y32. It is compatible with Y30 / Y31.


You cannot connect to versions older than Y30!

You cannot upload hotlaps until Z goes official - hopefully tomorrow!

You need to unlock again and I've made sure everyone has two unlocks available


THINGS TO TEST :

Included Bulgarian training lessons
Slightly brighter red is now used for shift lights
FIX : Auto saved first time intro replay was obsolete
FIX : An issue in the unlocked status detection system
FIX : Some in-game text was displayed in car selection screen
FIX : Z clipping problem when looking sideways in XFG with FOV @ 90
FIX : Message spamming if unlock level insufficient for cars in grid
FIX : In some rare cases SHIFT+U mode did not move with an arrow key
FIX : It was possible to join a race with same name as an AI driver
FIX : SHIFT+U mode view position moved on entering player options
FIX : It was possible to partially enter pits from SHIFT+U mode


NOTE - XFR / XRR MIRROR SKIN MAPPINGS :

The XFR and XRR have new mirrors and the old mappings could not be used. An updated CMX Viewer is available in the Test Patch forum section.


INCREASED FRAME RATES :

By using the same Hardware Vertex Shading system as the car body, the subobjects (steering wheel, gearstick, brakes, mudguards, etc) now make better use of your graphics card, saving CPU time and increasing the frame rate on most computers. Those that do not experience much frame rate increase should find it is smoother and more consistent. There are small graphical improvements as a side effect of this change. You should find that the pit-out glitch is reduced as well.


REPLAY CONTROLS :

Multiplayer replays now have the same interface as single player replays.
They loop and the Escape Menu is available while watching.
Also, replay controls have been added. A timeline is visible when you move the mouse.
You can click anywhere on the timeline and the replay will go back or forward to that point.

Some new keys have been added :

1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
2) SPACE to pause / unpause during a replay (same as P)
3) ESCAPE to break out of fast forwarding
4) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)


DEMO LICENSE SYSTEM :

User name and password are now required to go online in DEMO.
DEMO / S1 / S2 all appear in the same List of Hosts.

NOTE to DEMO users :

- You will need to set a GAME password at www.lfs.net to go online
- Log in and click on "account details" to set your GAME password
- You will see all compatible demo hosts and demo compatible S1 / S2 hosts

NOTE to S1 users :

- You will see all S1 and S1 compatible S2 hosts in the list of hosts

NOTE to HOSTS :

- Hosts in S2 mode - no difference, compatible, all S2 Y30 users can join
- Hosts in Demo or S1 mode - all S2 Y30 users and Demo / S1 Y30 users will be able to see your host


OTHER IMPORTANT CHANGES :

- Chinese, Japanese and Korean Translations
- All tracks now use JPG textures for adverts
- Various fixes including a South City hot lapping issue
- Full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are now supported


Changes in TEST PATCH Y32 :

Included Bulgarian training lessons
Slightly brighter red is now used for shift lights
FIX : Auto saved first time intro replay was obsolete
FIX : An issue in the unlocked status detection system
FIX : Some in-game text was displayed in car selection screen
FIX : Z clipping problem when looking sideways in XFG with FOV @ 90
FIX : Message spamming if unlock level insufficient for cars in grid
FIX : In some rare cases SHIFT+U mode did not move with an arrow key
FIX : It was possible to join a race with same name as an AI driver
FIX : SHIFT+U mode view position moved on entering player options
FIX : It was possible to partially enter pits from SHIFT+U mode


Changes in TEST PATCH Y31 :

Included Bulgarian translation
ENTER key now works as "unlock" in the unlocking screen
Various fixes for graphical model errors in XF / XR / FOX / FO8
Small improvements to default setups of XR Turbo / XR GTR / XF GTR
Text on racing dashboards is now all English (was mixed languages)
FIX : Changing gear shift type while driving made SPR go out of sync


Changes in TEST PATCH Y30 :

Updated interiors in XF and XR (GTR and road) cars
Formula XR and Formula V8 also have updated interiors
Wind speeds and variations are now more moderate / less wild
Moved and lowered centre of gravity in GTR cars for better handling
Lowered centre of gravity and updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4
FIX : FPS display could overlap editor keys in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : RB4 dashboard went wrong in left hand drive mode
FIX : User could spam TCP requests causing overload

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes in TEST PATCH Y24 :

Translations : Included Croatian training lessons + Czech docs
InSim : A LAG bit is now available in the MCI CompCar structure
InSim : MCI packets are now sent at regular game update intervals
Mirrors with horizontal offset applied now stay inside windscreen
Small optimisations should reduce glitch on pit exit a little more
Success or failure message is now shown for one second after CTRL+S
FIX : Missing shine on some car parts when entering garage screen
FIX : Extreme model deformation on changing name with damaged car
FIX : Corrupted car models after quick loading with no textures
FIX : AI could decide to refuel too late at tracks with one split
FIX : Non-graphical instance of LFS would crash if AA was enabled
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking '?' in List of Hosts
FIX : LFS wrongly allowed replay after adding AI in single player


Changes in TEST PATCH Y21 / Y22 :

Improved frame rates - subobjects now use hardware vertex shading
Improved sky rendering - less distortion, small frame rate increase
Smarter level of detail calculations for best detail and frame rate
On local network hosts only - false start no longer causes spectate
Driver names are now directly above car with no acceleration offset
Controls setup now includes sensitivity multipliers for mouse axes
FIX : Invisible scenery after paused fast forward in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : Inaccurate remote cars lap time after passing a split in MPR
FIX : Look buttons and rotate view did not work during a paused MPR
FIX : SHIFT+C (controllers) SHIFT+W (sound) keys now work in replay
FIX : Replay time bar keeps its clicked width while fast forwarding
FIX : In paused replay , and . keys performed two functions at once
FIX : Autocross / drag can no longer be selected in hotlapping mode
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking name in List of Hosts
FIX : Enter pits "Could not load colours" after renaming car colours
FIX : It was possible to move the default colour slider bars in pits
FIX : Two button clicks in one frame could be bad - now not possible


Changes from Y to Y20 :

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible with mouse at bottom of screen
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting

Licensed demo racers system :

Demo racers now need a user name and GAME password to go online
Unified List of Hosts - S2 users can all Demo / S1 / S2 hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts running Demo / S1 content
Demo racers now automatically download skins (but can't upload)

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Translatable lesson names - start text file with @Lesson Name
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson

Graphics :

Reduced stray pixels at edges of textures
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)

Multiplayer :

Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Misc :

Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI now correctly limited when using the /ai command
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt


DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Y30 TO Y32 (IF YOU ALREADY HAD TEST PATCH Y30 / Y31) :
(In this case you can also use the auto updater instead of manually patching - just click List of Hosts)
www.liveforspeed.net/file_mirror.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y30_TO_Y32.exe (1 MB)

PATCH Y TO Y32 (UPGRADE FROM OFFICIAL VERSION Y) :
(Save into an existing version Y folder, and run the patch there)
www.liveforspeed.net/file_mirror.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y_TO_Y32.exe (13 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_mirror.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y32.zip (1.5 MB)


Windows XP : East Asian Language Support / Font Installation

LFS does not support double byte characters with Windows 98 / ME. Windows XP and Vista should work well but you may need to install fonts.

If you have Windows XP and currently cannot see the East Asian translations, here's how to set up your computer so it works.
See the attachment - in Control Panel click on "Regional and Language Options" then under the "Languages" tab select "Install files for East Asian Languages".
Windows will probably ask you to get your XP CD and the fonts will be installed from it.

This is important even if you do not use Chinese, Japanese or Korean translations so you can see East Asian text and player names correctly when you are online.

[alxf1]

got this when I started lfs (after using Y30->Y32 patch, I had Y31 installed before)

but it went through after that

[duke_toaster]

Needed to re-unlock here after using autoupdater.

[shiny_red_cobra]

Were there extra screens added after the exit screen? I used to be able to click through all of them and the game would exit, now I kept clicking and the game wouldn't exit. I had to press a button on the keyboard to exit. Is there a way to disable all those screens at the end?

[alxf1]

Were there extra screens added after the exit screen? I used to be able to click through all of them and the game would exit, now I kept clicking and the game wouldn't exit. I had to press a button on the keyboard to exit. Is there a way to disable all those screens at the end?

I think you can disable the exit screen in the options

ah, no, I'm just using ALT+F4 everytime :D

[Flame CZE]

Will be in Z fixed the bug when you pause the game and go to garage, the PAUSE text is still there?

[Fire-Fly]

Will be in Z fixed the bug when you pause the game and go to garage, the PAUSE text is still there?

I think thats already been mentioned and it will be left as it is. The 'pause' has been removed from the car selections screen however :thumb:

[Napalm Candy]

It is something like a bug but not really... It is possible an option to disable auto handbrake when stop? I has a real handbrake set in an analog axis and i can't to leave it if I am stopped

Sorry if it is offtopic

[Andy King]

Hi All,
I am getting an error when trying to connect to my host, was getting this with Y30 & Y31 also and thought it was an issue here but all my other servers work OK and are Y24 hosts.
60539 I can connect locally via network fine but not throught Listing Page as I can usually.
If this is a local issue I am sorry for posting, can someone try to connect to [AKM] Racing UK Y32 and report back if you have the same issue. Can also connect to other Y32 Servers fine as just been on (FM) Oval Starters.

Thanks for your development Scawen and I keep sending friends who see this running here who show interest in racing to your website.

[Scawen]

Will be in Z fixed the bug when you pause the game and go to garage, the PAUSE text is still there?As Fire-Fly said, it was easiest and perfectly safe to remove it from the car selection screen. When I removed it from the garage there were some side effects and it seemed easiest to do it the safe way.

I could not see any real problem with having "paused" in the pits screen. I think this may have some beneficial side effects like you could see the "Race is restarting" countdown as well. Though I have not actually tested that...

It did look very bad in the car selection screen so that definite bug is gone.

[Scawen]

Hi All,
I am getting an error when trying to connect to my host, was getting this with Y30 & Y31 also and thought it was an issue here but all my other servers work OK and are Y24 hosts.
60539 I can connect locally via network fine but not throught Listing Page as I can usually.
If this is a local issue I am sorry for posting, can someone try to connect to [AKM] Racing UK Y32 and report back if you have the same issue.I also cannot join, I get the same message.

I have not yet checked in the code but I have a feeling your server is not receiving UDP packets. Have you correctly set your router to forward UDP packets to the correct computer on your LAN? It's just a hunch but clearly the TCP packets are getting through. Just wondering about UDP...

[Andy King]

Hi Scawen,
You were spot on it was UDP packets as added extra TCP ports when I added Y30 but missed adding UDP. Nice one and thanks again.

[Sir moi 407]

Z clipping problem when looking sideways in XFG with FOV @ 90
Nice I thought that you didn't see my post or didn't care about this lol
Thanks Scawen ;)

[Dru]

Thanks for Y32

but please Scawen, where do we post about improving the race speedo dials that now appear in the UFR for example where it is impossible to see the rev limit dial without ruining the simulation experience by putting virtual dials on the screen as the real life one does not have any decent contrast?

I posted in the Y31 thread but you closed without commenting :shrug:

[Easy_Mike]

Thanks for Y32

but please Scawen, where do we post about improving the race speedo dials that now appear in the UFR for example where it is impossible to see the rev limit dial without ruining the simulation experience by putting virtual dials on the screen as the real life one does not have any decent contrast?

I posted in the Y31 thread but you closed without commenting :shrug:

Well this is not a bug..this is a request and should be posted in the improvments thread..:smileypul
i think thats a clue why didnt even bother answer.:shrug:

[Scawen]

Thanks for Y32

but please Scawen, where do we post about improving the race speedo dials that now appear in the UFR for example where it is impossible to see the rev limit dial without ruining the simulation experience by putting virtual dials on the screen as the real life one does not have any decent contrast?

I posted in the Y31 thread but you closed without commenting :shrug:I don't have time to comment on every report, sorry.

But I do report every change I made, and if you look at the change log you will see that I did this, as requested.

The shift light is now as bright as the gear text.

[Senninha25]

I've found a bug...the dark part in one of the banners is the shadow of the car...I dunno if that's an old or new bug, but I just found that today lol

[Flame CZE]

Very old bug...:shrug:

[Dru]

I don't have time to comment on every report, sorry.

But I do report every change I made, and if you look at the change log you will see that I did this, as requested.

The shift light is now as bright as the gear text.


my apologises for missing this crucial fact on speed reading :x

:thumb: cheers Scawen :D

[Sp!tfire]

Great job Scawen!
I've never visited the lfsforums as much as the past few weeks, gotta love reading these test patch forum threads when they're still fresh.
I guess i'll stick around on this forum for a while from now on.
Now it's time for me to test this patch, and buy an S2 license tomorrow.

Keep on rocking!

[DanielC]

Well, been playing for a bit now, everythign seems to work just fine ... :thumb:

I did have to unlock though, going from Y31 to Y32 ... :scratchch

[andRo.]

Daniel, we all had to. That's why Scawen gave us 2 new unlocks. :nod:

Thx, Scawen. Seems to be great. By every new patch I find something nice & interesting in them. :thumb: Omg, I like this game. :nod:

[Inouva]

A little bug, with engine turned off 0 Rev and 0 Psi , the horn sound half second and no more, in any car


And the other thing with 90° Fov

60551

[Rascar13]

Just tested this patch and it works fine :thumb:

[ergin]

THX! :thumb::thumb:

[deggis]

http://xs129.xs.to/xs129/08272/image6299.jpg

Could it be still brighter? Similar to the red light colour in BF1. I feel that old one is easier to spot, that orange kind of colour at least looks brighter. :scratchch

[JO53PHS]

Brighter? You might as well have some fireworks, an explosion in the fuel tank and fifty million strobe lights. :shrug:

I always wonder why people want such massive bright lights. You don't really need a light. Just look at the redline :shrug:

[Dmt]

When you touch the tire, then there is some kind of bug! :D

[deggis]

Brighter? You might as well have some fireworks, an explosion in the fuel tank and fifty million strobe lights. :shrug:
Eh...

I always wonder why people want such massive bright lights.
Blame real life, e.g. http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Porsche/911/GT3/Cup/Cup_S/01/porsche_gt3_cup06.jpg

You don't really need a light. Just look at the redline :shrug:
Point is that eyes would spot it without actually staring at it all the time...

[Scawen]

http://xs129.xs.to/xs129/08272/image6299.jpg

Could it be still brighter? Similar to the red light colour in BF1. I feel that old one is easier to spot, that orange kind of colour at least looks brighter. :scratchchWell, I guess I should have said redder rather than brighter. It now has red to maximum and the green a bit reduced so it is less orange, and now the same colour as the red LED lights of the gear indicator.

I think this is a bit easier to see in your peripheral vision, there was something a bit washed out about the orange, though I'm not certain it achieved all that Dru wanted. It is still not popping out at you, to say the least.

Although the red channel of the shift lights are now at maximum, the whole texture is toned down by the colour Eric chose for the dash texture, so it is duller than on some other cars.

One thing I can tell you when I drove the real FBM, as I went down the straight at Bruntingthorpe, I could hardly see the red LED gear indicator at all. That was quite inconvenient as I wanted to know what gear I was in. Being a learner I did not always know. On the other hand I could clearly see the LCD display although it was small even in reality. Well that's not so relevant when we are talking about a car with a roof, but anyway red LEDs aren't THAT bright in the day time. I toned down the BF1 dash a little today as it seemed to be burning red holes in my retinas. It's still bright but won't damage your eyes like looking at someone using a mig welder.

[TG44]

i'm 75% ready for racing on manual/sequential shift if i just hear the engine... the remaining 24% is filled by looking at the redline :scratchch and the shift light adds the last % if i happen to forget to shift :really: i'm ok with it the way it's always been :nod:

[Kdovi]

As mentioned by Boris already, it's completely unrealistic to shift with help of the shift light anyway

The perfect shift light is unrealistic alltogether, i wouldn't mind if it was removed from the sim. There are no shift lights in real life that vary on your setup, they basically just switch ON when they reach certain RPM, but in LFS it actually sugests you when is the perfect time to change gear, depending on your setup. If i'm wrong, someone could correct me, if i'm right, it would be a nice thing to be removed and make like in real racing cars...

[Equi]

I allways listen to the sound of the engine when racing
I never even have the time to look at the dashboard.
Only few times i acualy look when drifting.
Peace Equil out ^^,

[pasibrzuch]

Maybe changing the placement of shift light would help? Anyway after replacing the 'einstein of torque' type of shift light by rpm shift light it will become just a place where you look 1 second before it lights up, to change gear with more precisson - IMHO.


Bug on purpose?:

Animation of switching hands while turning the wheel has changed?
Now it is no more realistic. You catch the wheel at 12 o'clock, not at 3 or 4.
It looks like woman style of turning, as in some pre S1 versions, with woman driver model.

[Dru]

Well, I guess I should have said redder rather than brighter. It now has red to maximum and the green a bit reduced so it is less orange, and now the same colour as the red LED lights of the gear indicator.

I think this is a bit easier to see in your peripheral vision, there was something a bit washed out about the orange, though I'm not certain it achieved all that Dru wanted. It is still not popping out at you, to say the least.

Although the red channel of the shift lights are now at maximum, the whole texture is toned down by the colour Eric chose for the dash texture, so it is duller than on some other cars.



Hi Scawen,

Yes it is a little better but to me it is still either in the wrong position and/or the contrast is wrong.

I've done a quick mock up... hope you can see it, the reason is - i don't understand why the brightness of Y24 patch can not be mirrored in Y32 - even against the weird blue bezel.

The pictures i have in order is:

PAtch Y32 - dull red light under gear selection which is still not clear.

PAtch Y24 - bright light on black background clearly inditiable by periferal vision as there is nothing with the same colour around it.

My proposal - Have it on the top of the Speedo display, similar to the PL button. This way even though its still on the blue bezel it is in a position which will be identifiable by periferal vision.

BTW i've just copied and pasted the light from the PAtch Y24 into it.

Again, sorry for being silly, but why is the light in patch Y30/32 not able to be as bright as in Y24? even with the different colour bezel - it is still clearly brighter?

Cheers and regards,

Dru.

[tristancliffe]

On a PI System 2 dash, the two LEDS on the right of the LCD are the warning lights - alarm and overrev. Most people use the overrev as a shift light. The PI system can also drive an external LED for each of those, so you can have an LED in your line of sight, and on the dash itself.

I know this because I've just bought a Dallara with a PI system 2 dash (and I hate the PI software!).

I can take a photo of the dash at some point if people want to make a hires texture of it.

[unseen]

o/t, but feel free to take as many pics as you can be bothered with, Tristan :thumb:

Cheers

[Shotglass]

not really an issue but more of a constant annoyance:
every time i had to reunlock lfs after installing a patch it defaulted back to not loading a track at startup
shouldnt it be able to remember my settings before it locked itself to demo?

[Andy King]

Hi,
I was testing Y32 just on my server when a new guest joined and left the pits in XRR. I pulled into the pitlane shortly after and thought I would have a nose at his car while waiting. This is what I saw 60580 which to me don't look right.

Just been back and as a spectator the car looks fine in spectator mode.

Someone please join [AKM] Racing UK Y32 Server in XRR within next 25 mins as going to bed. Too late off bed.

[shiny_red_cobra]

Hi,
I was testing Y32 just on my server when a new guest joined and left the pits in XRR. I pulled into the pitlane shortly after and thought I would have a nose at his car while waiting. This is what I saw 60580 which to me don't look right.

Just been back and as a spectator the car looks fine in spectator mode.

Someone please join [AKM] Racing UK Y32 Server in XRR within next 25 mins as going to bed. Too late off bed.

I think you're out of video memory there bud, and the textures can't be rendered.

Anyway, about the shift light, a nicer idea (not for this patch though) would be to make the RPM bar flash quickly when you hit the shift point.

[Andy King]

I think you're out of video memory there bud, and the textures can't be rendered.

Hi,
Seems odd that all other textures were fine and its the first time I have ever seen it.

[hansonator69]

Is it still possible to paint roll cages in skins?

[dauwe]

please, fix the problem with the 5th gear (XFR). sometimes the 5th gear doesn't work. and i'm not the only one with that problem. sometimes we have to use the shifter between 2 - 5 times to change from gear 4 to 5.

[[RF]-art555]

You need to lift the throttle in order to shift, just like in FBM ;)

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Hi,
Seems odd that all other textures were fine and its the first time I have ever seen it.

What you mean fine. Your dash gauges are all empty and stale. You are driving minimum specs on gfx i guess.

Whats with the name or something on left, is that an insim?

[Drift King CZ]

Hi,
I was testing Y32 just on my server when a new guest joined and left the pits in XRR. I pulled into the pitlane shortly after and thought I would have a nose at his car while waiting. This is what I saw 60580 which to me don't look right.

Just been back and as a spectator the car looks fine in spectator mode.

Someone please join [AKM] Racing UK Y32 Server in XRR within next 25 mins as going to bed. Too late off bed.Sometimes happens... same like with skin. Did skin load? Next time go to spectate, or if you were, join race... and textures + skin should load. Worked for me, but still it's bad that it happens.

[bmwe30m3]

I got a error if opening lfs after installing x32 patch
[edit]now lfs opened without a error

[Scawen]

not really an issue but more of a constant annoyance:
every time i had to reunlock lfs after installing a patch it defaulted back to not loading a track at startup
shouldnt it be able to remember my settings before it locked itself to demo?Well that doesn't happen very often. It's just that when you unlock, it stops loading the track at startup, which is what most people would want so LFS loads quickly. I've just been making the unlocks vanish for various reasons in these final test patches.

I got a error if opening lfs after installing x32 patch
[edit]now lfs opened without a errorWhen you get a crash report like that, please click the blue text there for more info. Then it will tell you the crash address and I can try to find out what the problem is.

Like this : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=257641#post257641

[Woz]

Scawen: With the XRR when I look left/right I get a small triangle appear as the view gets past about 50%.

Looks like fibreglass sort of texture.

This is on my Laptop with an ATI HD2600 gfx card

I will check in the other cars if I get a chance later

[JasonJ]

....Whats with the name or something on left, is that an insim?That was Team Speak Overlay.

I've noticed this bug ever since W patch folks. I only had a 256MB card then, so maybe, it was outta memory. :shrug: Just pit and rejoin and the dds texture files reload somehow. Spectating to other players sometimes fixes it to. Once I had to hold TAB for 20 seconds and go disco mode. :color:

[Scawen]

Scawen: With the XRR when I look left/right I get a small triangle appear as the view gets past about 50%.That kind of thing depends on the FOV you use. It's probably the side of the seat, and the part of the seat even nearer to you got Z-clipped.

[AndroidXP]

Is it easy to reduce the minimum Z-clipping distance? Because if so, that would fix the ugly clipping of both head guards and single seater interiors.

[Scawen]

It's easy to change the Z-clipping distance but it has consequences - Z buffer resolution is decreased.

[AndroidXP]

Ah, so that would mean more overlapping in the distance, bummer :(

[Scawen]

Hi,
I was testing Y32 just on my server when a new guest joined and left the pits in XRR. I pulled into the pitlane shortly after and thought I would have a nose at his car while waiting. This is what I saw 60580 which to me don't look right.

Just been back and as a spectator the car looks fine in spectator mode.

Someone please join [AKM] Racing UK Y32 Server in XRR within next 25 mins as going to bed. Too late off bed.Don't worry, you are not out of graphics memory.

That is the pit-out glitch reduction system. That would have been the first person to drive an XRR since you joined the host. So it would have avoided loading his textures while you were driving, to stop you getting big glitches and spinning off into a wall.

If you had stopped anywhere else on the track, or the race restarted, or you joined the spectators, his textures would have been loaded up. However, his textures were not loaded because you were in a pit stop. A pit stop is the only time when you car can be stopped but texture loading is still suppressed.

So... not really a bug, and not worth changing today as it would be a little complicated and could have some side effects. LFS just doesn't have any code to decide that you are in a pit stop but aren't really in your car so would not mind about some small glitches. Sounds easy enough and I'm sure it is but it's too big a change to do on Patch Day.

[JasonJ]

Were there extra screens added after the exit screen? I used to be able to click through all of them and the game would exit, now I kept clicking and the game wouldn't exit. I had to press a button on the keyboard to exit. Is there a way to disable all those screens at the end?Always been that way. It's like that when you are in demo mode (locked). Y32 is locked so when you exited, you were still in Demo mode, so you saw the demo exit screens. Unlock to S2 and they wont display.

[Scawen]

please, fix the problem with the 5th gear (XFR). sometimes the 5th gear doesn't work. and i'm not the only one with that problem. sometimes we have to use the shifter between 2 - 5 times to change from gear 4 to 5.I can't seem to reproduce this. Could it be something to do with your setup? Like gear ratios or something? I've done a few laps with default setup and it changed gear every time.

[Nadeo4441]

Happens sometimes to me too , but i cant reproduce it when i want .I have problems with 1. to 2. gear , i shift, but just the revs get lower ... (Tested with automatic clutch , mouse and default setup, XFR)

[pasibrzuch]

Once I had problems with Formula V8 changing gears from 4 to 5, and maybe 5 to 6. It was caused by intake restriction (20-30% maybe) I believe.
Had to try several times or throttle lift manualy. Can't try it now at work.

[Byku]

Are You using some kind of tweaker?

[AndroidXP]

I think there was a problem some time ago with the sequential gearbox, but that was in the FOX or FO8. If you were in a high gear (+speed), had certain gear ratios and had headwind, you couldn't change gear. IIRC this was because the ignition did cut when you pressed the shift button, but the headwind somehow caused the transmission to be loaded (car slows down faster than flywheel?) which prevented the shift. It would then shift at some point once you slowed down enough.

[richhobo94]

omfg!!! i cant wait for patch Z!!! also confirmed that im getting S2 sometime soon (hopefully during this holiday - until tuesday 24th june!)

[Scawen]

Again, sorry for being silly, but why is the light in patch Y30/32 not able to be as bright as in Y24? even with the different colour bezel - it is still clearly brighter?I've had a look into it and the reason I gave previously was wrong. The actual reason why the lights are dimmer is because of the overlay texture Eric used to cover the gauges. The texture with holes in it where the lights are, those holes are not perfectly clear, they have some deliberate lack of transparency.

Anyway I've made the lights a tiny bit brighter by giving them a tiny bit of saturation (in RGB terms, on the red light, the R part stayed at maximum, but I've added a tiny bit of G and B to it).

That's all I can do for now.

[LiMiTED]

Offtopic

Only one question about the future of LFS:

Today Live for Speed S2 Alpha Z is going to released!

But how does it continue? Live for Speed S2 Beta A or Live for Speed S3 Beta A

In case of LFS S3 Beta, do we have to pay for the next but one patch?

[feat]

E : Woops, wrong answer.

Limited - In my opinion it wont be S3 yet, but couple Z patches, then will be a little break and then will come S3, because Dev's need some work to do i guess.
Well, if we need to pay from Demo to S1, From S1 to S2, then im 99.(9)% sure that this will pay too. :/

[pasibrzuch]

No tweak. Just deafault or race_s setup with restriction. Wind was probably on. Your explanation, Android, seems right. So gearbox kick should be stronger, or ignition cut longer?

[Scawen]

I won't be doing any more physics changes. Actually I am finished now unless there are any serious bugs that come up today while we get everything ready.

It'll just be, the ignition cut isn't perfect (they are tricky to set up in real life as well) and if you are driving into a headwind you'd better release the throttle a fraction while changing gear. Anyway winds are more predictable now so if you take a look at the flags and wind turbines you'll have a quite good idea where the wind is coming from.

It's quite impossible to make changes to something like that now without danger of side effects.

[AndroidXP]

@pasibrzuch: The transmission would need to be less sensitive to load. But it's hard to balance that, otherwise you could easily bugger up other cars, for example making the FBM too easy to shift or similar.

[word.]

Since we are all talking about shift lights, I think the RPM LEDs should have a smaller range to them.

For example, in the new FOX dashboard the first LED comes on at 5000rpm. The power band doesn't even start until 6500rpm (red line is 7500). The result of this is that most of the LEDs stay on for the whole race and are useless, and you only have about 4 LEDs to use for predicting when to shift.

I already made a post in the Improvement Suggestion section, and attached a video of how the LEDs are setup in an F1 car (just an example) Does anyone else agree with me? http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=45014

[Scawen]

Offtopic

Only one question about the future of LFS:

...You know what, off topic is not allowed in the test patch section, it just distracts me and wastes my time, and that of people who are reading in here.

It's not ok to post off topic in here, even if your post starts with the words off topic.

The only things I want to hear about now are serious problems that mean we cannot release Patch Z without a fix.

---

About shift lights and so on, please remember there is a future, LFS development does not end here. Patch Z is not perfect, and that is OK.

[Nadeo4441]

Hey scawen, try to go out from pits with XFR , press clutch , full throttle , release clutch ... then shift , just the revs get lower, its not going into second .
See the replay ..

[KENWOOD]

It's a very nice update :) But i think have a little bug.The rear window's warm system lines not very visible :S I think make a bit sharpness that.And take rev-limiter to patch Z pls ^^ (Its not a big update but that take lfs to more realistic)

[mookie427]

how come I didn't get any unlocks:really:now I can't unlock it as I had none left:(

[Flame CZE]

Hey scawen, try to go out from pits with XFR , press clutch , full throttle , release clutch ... then shift , just the revs get lower, its not going into second .
See the replay ..
Happens to me too, also with other cars. But I don't know if it's like that in reality or not.

[Scawen]

Hey scawen, try to go out from pits with XFR , press clutch , full throttle , release clutch ... then shift , just the revs get lower, its not going into second .
See the replay ..I don't understand what the problem is. Are you telling me Patch Z cannot be released because of this?

It's a very nice update :) But i think have a little bug.The rear window's warm system lines not very visible :S I think make a bit sharpness that.And take rev-limiter to patch Z pls ^^ (Its not a big update but that take lfs to more realistic)I guess this is a joke, but I'm not laughing.

I have a lot of preparations to do but I am keeping an eye on this thread in case any very bad bugs are found. The resolution of a rear window heater is not going to stop Patch Z being released.

Please calm down and don't waste my time for no reason. How many times will I need to ask this?

[Nadeo4441]

I don't understand what the problem is. Are you telling me Patch Z cannot be released because of this?


No , its just a smaller bug , can be fixed later (in my opinion)

[Dazmyster]

same as i posted on other threads.. irrelivant suggestions & improvements again. I am waiting on the realease of patch Z and i guess alot of others are too.. but you would prefare that to be fixed or a new patch? :really:

As scawen said, he is trying to get the priotiy stuff fixed first i dunno on what, but dont waste his time asking stupid things which really dont need sorting..

*sigh* Say the same thing over & over & over again.. :(

[Flame CZE]

No , its just a smaller bug , can be fixed later (in my opinion)
But you may post only those bugs which are so big that Z can't be released without them and those bug which are only in Y test patches

(I hope I'm right)

[Nadeo4441]

This bug is only in > Y30 .... I just want help...

[Framaris]

Removed: problem solved!

[DarkNightX]

Hello all

Sorry for bad english

I have one problem i cant run my Dedi Server in Y32. But i can in Y5

Could you help me please

Picture : http://www.monsterup.com/image.php?url=upload/1214996840.jpg

Thanks You

[Scawen]

That question mark is the user name.

But there is no user name of a dedicated host.

If you want to see player names, type this into your host :

/names

Then it displays the player names instead of user names.

[Mischa NED]

Hello all

Sorry for bad english

I have one problem i cant run my Dedi Server in Y32. But i can in Y5

Could you help me please

Picture : http://www.monsterup.com/image.php?url=upload/1214996840.jpg

Thanks You



That's you ;) In the past it said "host", but since a host doesn't have a username and dedi shows usernames I think Scawen decided to put a question mark there for the "host" user.

UPDATE - Scawen is fast today :D Sorry for double post :-P

[Xenix74]

Hi guys have a little problem
how is it possible to update from y22 to y32?
When i try to select and load a Track Lfs shut down to windows everytime!
:shrug:


*I accidentally deleted the y30 version from my desktop, and try now too test the y31 version but it crash when i update from y22 to y32.
With y22 to y30 was no problems ?!

[Blädi]

lol.. whats this..? i got the y32 and now when i go play on multiplayer it says you need to upgrade from y30 to y33?!??!?!? wtf?

[Scawen]

OK, I put Y33 with its tiny changes up there to be tested while we sort out the patch announcement, full versions, etc.

That will take some hours. Y33 is on the auto updater system and does not require unlocking if you already unlocked Y32.

Updated Documentation :

Changes in Y33 :
----------------
Dashboard lights a little brighter
French and German translation updates
Bulgarian translator names added to credits
Updated Y to Y32 documentation (see below)

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes from Y TO Y32 :
-----------------------
Graphics :

updated interiors in FOX / FO8 / XF and XR (GTR and road) cars
Improved frame rates - subobjects now use hardware vertex shading
Improved sky rendering - less distortion, small frame rate increase
Smarter level of detail calculations for best detail and frame rate
Driver names are now directly above car with no acceleration offset
Antialiasing and anisotropic filtering support in Graphics Options
Mirrors with horizontal offset applied now stay inside windscreen
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
FIX : RB4 dashboard wrong in left hand drive mode

Physics :

XF GTR now has a sequential gearbox with ignition cut
Wind speeds and variations are now more moderate / less wild
Small improvements to default setups of XR Turbo / XR GTR / XF GTR
Moved and lowered centre of gravity in GTR cars for better handling
Lowered centre of gravity and updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible with mouse at bottom of screen
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting
FIX : LFS wrongly allowed replay after adding AI in single player

Licensed demo racers system :

Demo racers now need a user name and GAME password to go online
Unified List of Hosts - S2 users can all Demo / S1 / S2 hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts running Demo / S1 content
Demo racers now automatically download skins but not upload

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

New Bulgarian translation including training lessons
Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New and updated training lesson translations in various languages
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
Controls setup now includes sensitivity multipliers for mouse axes
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
Success or failure message is now shown for one second after CTRL+S
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : In some rare cases SHIFT+U mode did not move with an arrow key
FIX : Changing gear shift type while driving made SPR go out of sync
FIX : Enter pits "Could not load colours" after renaming car colours
FIX : Autocross / drag can no longer be selected in hotlapping mode
FIX : It was possible to join a race with same name as an AI driver
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson

Multiplayer :

Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
On local network hosts only - false start no longer causes spectate
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking '?' in List of Hosts
FIX : Inaccurate remote cars lap time after passing a split in MPR
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : User could spam TCP requests causing overload
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Misc :

Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
InSim : A LAG bit is now available in the MCI CompCar structure
InSim : MCI packets are now sent at regular game update intervals
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI now correctly limited when using the /ai command
FIX : Updated car scripts XFR.lfs / FXR.lfs / XRR.lfs (sequential)
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : AI could decide to refuel too late at tracks with one split
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt

[Scawen]

Hi guys have a little problem
how is it possible to update from y22 to y32?
When i try to select and load a Track Lfs shut down to windows everytime!
:shrug:


*I accidentally deleted the y30 version from my desktop, and try now too test the y31 version but it crash when i update from y22 to y32.
With y22 to y30 was no problems ?!Just use the Y TO Y32 patch. I'm not making a Y TO Y33.

After installing that then click List of Hosts and you'll automatically get the very small Y33 update.

[Flame CZE]

In training lessons, some pictures of cars that were updated in last test patches are not updated. I can attach some updated screens if you want to.

Will be they updated??

[Xenix74]

I used the y to y32 versin, ........ .. ..
but after reinstall it works now! Sorry must be my mistake here :shrug:!!

thx :razz:

[Scawen]

In training lessons, some pictures of cars that were updated in last test patches are not updated. I can attach some updated screens if you want to.

Will be they updated??No, not for Patch Z.

[scipy]

I am having problems with the autoupdater for Y33, when I choose a mirror I get the "Could not open the restarter program" and just "OK" as an option.

[Flame CZE]

I am having problems with the autoupdater for Y33, when I choose a mirror I get the "Could not open the restarter program" and just "OK" as an option.
probably you are missing LFS_RESTART.exe

[Scawen]

Maybe you deleted the restarter program as some people do, for unknown reasons?

Here it is, put the exe from inside this attached zip into your LFS folder.

If that's not the problem them maybe it's a Vista issue.

[mathew4445]

Scawen. Everyone from Australia, ProRacingRoom, and OoCR love you.

[scipy]

Maybe you deleted the restarter program as some people do, for unknown reasons?

Here it is, put the exe from inside this attached zip into your LFS folder.

If that's not the problem them maybe it's a Vista issue.

Yeah, sorry. When I copied the Y18 folder to try out new patches I didn't copy the restarter. My apologies. :shy:

[pauliaK]

If that's not the problem them maybe it's a Vista issue.Shouldn't be Vista, because I had no problems with that and I'm using Vista.

[Rdcranno]

Got to say i love the new patch, thanks alot the Dev team for this. :yipee:

[Andy King]

What you mean fine. Your dash gauges are all empty and stale. You are driving minimum specs on gfx i guess.

Whats with the name or something on left, is that an insim?

Hi,
I am running with graphics maxed out, the text bottom left is TeamSpeak Overlay which I run all the time and has had no effect any other time,

[Scawen]

Andy, I explained the reason for that texture problem, don't know if you may have missed it.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=849490#post849490

[dauwe]

I can't seem to reproduce this. Could it be something to do with your setup? Like gear ratios or something? I've done a few laps with default setup and it changed gear every time.


no, my set is not the problem cause another racer has the same prob and he's not using my setup. sometimes i can drive 10 laps without any problems and next race (without disconnecting) i have this problem a few times in one lap. and it doesn't matter if i drive with lifting the gas or not. till Y24 there was no problem but since Y30 ...

[Simpson]

My keyboard layout in LFS has changed. Normaly its QWERTY, but in LFS its QWERTZ
Its changed in Y33, in Y32 was all OK.
In notepad there is all correct. Only LFS doesn't read keys as it should :(
Updated via Auto Updater.

EDIT: i restarted LFS 2 times and its OK now :/
Wierd, because i didn't change anything

[pauliaK]

You can always change your keyboard layout in game just by clicking Alt+Shift.

[gatebil94]

scawen , im out of unlocks for this week :( but can you add me one ? so i can play....

[rockclan]

Hey Scawen,

I'll probably be an ignorant whiner orso....


But I have a question,

Is the Break-off damage coming in patch Z ?

Hope you will answer.

--
Rocky

[Byku]

No, break-off will damage come later(post only important bugs, Scawen said so already!).

[[GR]Evolution]

I noticed that brake disks in garage have something like pixels that don't match the rest of the car (see attached pictures). I thought I should say that in case it's a bug. Zoom the picture to see it better, it's more see able in-game. It happens in Y30 and after. I also use AA at full. This happens in every car at the same spot.

P.S. sorry if this has been said before.

[BlackEye]

@[GR]Evolution


Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista

;)

[Jamesisinthehouse12]

Deleted: Already known problem :shy:

[alx101]

Hi Scawen, thanks a lot for all!!!! Congratulations to you three.

About Y33, I think I've found something strange with the steering wheel while i was making some pics, sorry if it is a not important problem, I just want to help.
Notice the 'rear' part of the steering wheel, it is transparent:

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3769/lfs00000088wh3.png

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/6246/lfs00000089aj2.png


Haven't seen anyone talking about it, that's why i posted it :scratchch

[Whiskey]

That's not a bug, is a known issue, and Scawen and more people said millions of times that LFS should be run as an administrator in order to could change the exe

[arco]

That's not a bug, is a known issue, and Scawen and more people said millions of times that LFS should be run as an administrator in order to could change the exe
Or if your user is in the administrators group, just turn off UAC and it will never bother you again.
http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm

[Jamesisinthehouse12]

ok... sorry about that guys (including Scawen and the rest of the team) :shy:

[Scawen]

OK! Patch Z is out! :)

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=45206

Once again, thank you very much for the testing!

I will now close the test patch forum.

[Andy King]

Andy, I explained the reason for that texture problem, don't know if you may have missed it.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=849490#post849490

Hi Scawen, I had missed your post sorry. This Forum moves soooo fast lol.

Thanks

[Jamesisinthehouse12]

OK! Patch Z is out! :)

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=45206

Once again, thank you very much for the testing!

I will now close the test patch forum.
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thankyou Scawen and the team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :razz:

Edit: Ha ha... did I say that? :x

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[Tomas Miranda]

Thanks Scawen!

[aroX123]

Will there be Z patches in the future?

[Willem-racer]

ty

[Jamesisinthehouse12]

Will there be Z patches in the future?
yes, for S2 final :)
then after a while... S3!!! :D:D:D

[pauliaK]

Shouldn't this thread be closed?

[Jamesisinthehouse12]

Shouldn't this thread be closed?
yes :P... lets just pretend it is closed :D

[pauliaK]

Ohh... OK :shy:

[ACCAkut]

Yeah undercover posting:schwitz:


Now that the big daddies are out, party!:static::monkey: