Test Patch Y30 : XF / XR Interiors

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST


Hello Racers.

Here is a new INCOMPATIBLE Test Patch, Y30.

You cannot connect to any older versions!

You cannot upload hotlaps until next week!

You need to unlock again and I've made sure everyone has two unlocks available

New updates :

- updated XF and XR interiors
- some other small interior updates
- some physics updates

All changes in Y30 are listed below.


NOTE - XFR / XRR MIRROR SKIN MAPPINGS :

The XFR and XRR have new mirrors and the old mappings could not be used.
I need to release an updated viewer for the new models.
For now, I have attached skin templates to this post so you can update your skins.


INCREASED FRAME RATES :

By using the same Hardware Vertex Shading system as the car body, the subobjects (steering wheel, gearstick, brakes, mudguards, etc) now make better use of your graphics card, saving CPU time and increasing the frame rate on most computers. Those that do not experience much frame rate increase should find it is smoother and more consistent. There are small graphical improvements as a side effect of this change. You should find that the pit-out glitch is reduced as well.


REPLAY CONTROLS :

Multiplayer replays now have the same interface as single player replays.
They loop and the Escape Menu is available while watching.
Also, replay controls have been added. A timeline is visible when you move the mouse.
You can click anywhere on the timeline and the replay will go back or forward to that point.

Some new keys have been added :

1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
2) SPACE to pause / unpause during a replay (same as P)
3) ESCAPE to break out of fast forwarding
4) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)


DEMO LICENSE SYSTEM :

User name and password are now required to go online in DEMO.
DEMO / S1 / S2 all appear in the same List of Hosts.

NOTE to DEMO users :

- You will need to set a GAME password at www.lfs.net to go online
- Log in and click on "account details" to set your GAME password
- You will see all compatible demo hosts and demo compatible S1 / S2 hosts

NOTE to S1 users :

- You will see all S1 and S1 compatible S2 hosts in the list of hosts

NOTE to HOSTS :

- Hosts in S2 mode - no difference, compatible, all S2 Y30 users can join
- Hosts in Demo or S1 mode - all S2 Y30 users and Demo / S1 Y30 users will be able to see your host


OTHER IMPORTANT CHANGES :

- Chinese, Japanese and Korean Translations
- All tracks now use JPG textures for adverts
- Various fixes including a South City hot lapping issue
- Full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are now supported


Changes in TEST PATCH Y30 :

Updated interiors in XF and XR (GTR and road) cars
Formula XR and Formula V8 also have updated interiors
Wind speeds and variations are now more moderate / less wild
Moved and lowered centre of gravity in GTR cars for better handling
Lowered centre of gravity and updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4
FIX : FPS display could overlap editor keys in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : RB4 dashboard went wrong in left hand drive mode
FIX : User could spam TCP requests causing overload

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes in TEST PATCH Y24 :

Translations : Included Croatian training lessons + Czech docs
InSim : A LAG bit is now available in the MCI CompCar structure
InSim : MCI packets are now sent at regular game update intervals
Mirrors with horizontal offset applied now stay inside windscreen
Small optimisations should reduce glitch on pit exit a little more
Success or failure message is now shown for one second after CTRL+S
FIX : Missing shine on some car parts when entering garage screen
FIX : Extreme model deformation on changing name with damaged car
FIX : Corrupted car models after quick loading with no textures
FIX : AI could decide to refuel too late at tracks with one split
FIX : Non-graphical instance of LFS would crash if AA was enabled
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking '?' in List of Hosts
FIX : LFS wrongly allowed replay after adding AI in single player


Changes in TEST PATCH Y21 / Y22 :

Improved frame rates - subobjects now use hardware vertex shading
Improved sky rendering - less distortion, small frame rate increase
Smarter level of detail calculations for best detail and frame rate
On local network hosts only - false start no longer causes spectate
Driver names are now directly above car with no acceleration offset
Controls setup now includes sensitivity multipliers for mouse axes
FIX : Invisible scenery after paused fast forward in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : Inaccurate remote cars lap time after passing a split in MPR
FIX : Look buttons and rotate view did not work during a paused MPR
FIX : SHIFT+C (controllers) SHIFT+W (sound) keys now work in replay
FIX : Replay time bar keeps its clicked width while fast forwarding
FIX : In paused replay , and . keys performed two functions at once
FIX : Autocross / drag can no longer be selected in hotlapping mode
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking name in List of Hosts
FIX : Enter pits "Could not load colours" after renaming car colours
FIX : It was possible to move the default colour slider bars in pits
FIX : Two button clicks in one frame could be bad - now not possible


Changes in TEST PATCH Y20 :

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
MPR fast forwarding is now approximately five times quicker
Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
Replay controls appear when mouse is over them or start of replay
Connections / race positions / pedals are visible beside controls
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : Slider action is now cancelled on pressing ESC, T, etc.
FIX : Replay controls appeared for a moment at start of intro
FIX : Replay controls were shown during training lesson replay
FIX : Replay OOS error now breaks out of fast forwarding state
FIX : Mirror position correction was missed in load of most cars
FIX : Escape from car select screen resulted in black backgrounds
FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Sky / sea / default ground was black with wide screen effect
FIX : SHIFT+U visible objects list is now updated after forwarding
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : Error message spamming when moving a default setup slider bar
FIX : Mouse look deactivated if mouse available (even if invisible)


Changes from Y to Y19 :

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible with mouse at bottom of screen
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR

Licensed demo racers system :

Demo racers now need a user name and GAME password to go online
Unified List of Hosts - S2 users can all Demo / S1 / S2 hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts running Demo / S1 content
Demo racers now automatically download skins (but can't upload)

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Translatable lesson names - start text file with @Lesson Name
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City

Graphics :

Reduced stray pixels at edges of textures
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)

Multiplayer :

Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Misc :

All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI now correctly limited when using the /ai command


DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Y TO Y30 (UPGRADE FROM OFFICIAL VERSION Y) :
(Save into an existing version Y folder, and run the patch there)
www.liveforspeed.net/file_mirror.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y_TO_Y30.exe (13 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_mirror.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y30.zip (1.5 MB)


Windows XP : East Asian Language Support / Font Installation

LFS does not support double byte characters with Windows 98 / ME. Windows XP and Vista should work well but you may need to install fonts.

If you have Windows XP and currently cannot see the East Asian translations, here's how to set up your computer so it works.
See the attachment - in Control Panel click on "Regional and Language Options" then under the "Languages" tab select "Install files for East Asian Languages".
Windows will probably ask you to get your XP CD and the fonts will be installed from it.

This is important even if you do not use Chinese, Japanese or Korean translations so you can see East Asian text and player names correctly when you are online.

[danowat]

Off I go to check out the new interiors!!!, thanks devs

[J@tko]

We love you Scawen!!!! :thumb:

EDIT: The Y->Y30 patch is 13MB, not 5MB as stated.
EDIT 2: Beat you ;)

[three_jump]

not really a bug: but the patch size is 13.0MB... not 5MB :p

[scoobyrbac]

Thanks Scawen!

[Scawen]

Fixed, thanks.

[N I K I]

Super :thumb:

[Simpson]

Had to unlock. Is it normal, or is it me only?

[DrDNA]

Nice surprise for the end of the week - cheers :).

[Bose321]

Nice :thumb:

[Rascar13]

Good work! ;)

[DanielC]

Nice patch! :thumb:

Is it me of have the XRT's wheels changed too in this patch compared to Y24?

[danowat]

New GTR interiors are VERY nice indeed, also, when did the wheels change? was it in a patch I missed?

[niall09]

XRR has front lights now :D

[J@tko]

Pics of new XFR, XRR and UFR interior.

BTW, XFR now has sequential box.

[duke_toaster]

I had to unlock it too. Fortunatly I remembered my password, I even forget that my memory is rubbish :schwitz:

New dashboards are looking great, especially the FOX.

[Bean0]

Pics of new XFR, XRR and UFR interior.

BTW, XFR now has sequential box.

Is that the sky on the inside of the door ?

[Ovidiu23]

The GTR interiors are speechless. :thumbsup: I'm amazed! :shrug:

[Easy_Mike]

Great work Scawen.
:thumb:

[Scawen]

Had to unlock. Is it normal, or is it me only?Everyone has to unlock again - I've now added a note about that to the first post.

Everyone also has another unlock added if they didn't already have 2.

[Sir moi 407]

OMG
That patch is AMAZING :D
Really nice improvements and I really like the new XRR style ;)
The new XF and XR interiors are just amazing too :) Really immersive :)

[JO53PHS]

Is that the sky on the inside of the door ?

Yes it is... EPIC FAIL?

Or is that supposed to be a reflection thats rather badly done? :S

[AndroidXP]

These interiors...

...are thoroughly awesome :jawdrop:

[.deeefte]

bug ive noticed:
driving with wheel while shift + u - speedometer isnt working :thumb:

[troy]

Is that the sky on the inside of the door ?

na, i think it's just his skin not lined up properly anymore, i don't have the sky reflecting there.

[antskaar]

Y30 didnt work perfect for me. After loading track: http://www.pes.pri.ee/k2bi/broken_lfs.JPG

Couldnt join servers too. Few times LFS crashed during that. Going to reinstall everything. :S

[AndroidXP]

The UF interior does look quite unfinished and rough, tbh. Guess that's still a WIP.

@Jatko: Please remove those screenshots. They're a disgrace to the quality of the interiors. Also you custom sky reflection is fugly.

[MrPDR]

But wait, if we cant connect to older versions then...wth

[mutt107]

i have y22 can i download the y-y30 will it work?

[LFSn00b]

Y30 didnt work perfect for me. After loading track: http://www.pes.pri.ee/k2bi/broken_lfs.JPG

Couldnt join servers too. Few times LFS crashed during that. Going to reinstall everything. :Sno, you need to login again



@mutt: Yes it will work.

[bmwe30m3]

I cant recocise the game anymore,yesterday i was getting alrdy tired on lfs and after the patch,im full of energy again,Scawen,you made my day

[Riders Motion]

So, what exactly was changed to the XRT's rear suspension? Will this require any setup modification?

[Inouva]

Y30 didnt work perfect for me. After loading track: http://www.pes.pri.ee/k2bi/broken_lfs.JPG

Couldnt join servers too. Few times LFS crashed during that. Going to reinstall everything. :S

maybe you no unloked, and its try to load a s2 car with demo license


@topick 2

Donwloading at 16kbs =S ,Everyone is downloading the patch!!!

[zockmachine]

i think the rear-view mirror of the XRR is way too big, isnt it ? :scratchch

and the ufr cockpit needs some more work i think :smileypul


but all in all great news, great patch!

[Riders Motion]

i think the rear-view mirror of the XRR is way too big, isnt it ? :scratchch

Real touring cars have such big mirors over here... :shrug:

[dougie-lampkin]

Will the Y --> Y30 also go from Y24 --> Y30? Don't want to have to wait a few hours for this :D

E: Too slow :razz:

[robt]

yep works fine dougie, did it myself :thumb:

EDIT: too slow in the head to see your were to slow :D

[DeadWolfBones]

Racing cars do tend to have longer mirrors.

http://www.evanovich.com/images/barnaby_nascar02.jpg

[zockmachine]

Racing cars do tend to have longer mirrors.

http://www.evanovich.com/images/barnaby_nascar02.jpg

alright then :thumb:, ive never seen that before ;)

[mutt107]

big mirrors = help me see better :P thx i will try this later after chores. :thumb:

[Xenix74]

Thx so much Scawen

[AndroidXP]

Some screenshots for those who can't test yet:

(Ignore the custom needle colours, I was messing around a bit :D)

[fireb0llch]

will be there more interiors update in the future?

[MaKaKaZo]

¿BUG?:
=====

In hotlapping, if you use shift+P while being on pause, the "pause" message keeps blinking in the garage screen.

[gru]

notice
fxr, xfr, xrr script files are overwritten with new patch
make sure to backup if Ur using custom ones

[antskaar]

maybe you no unloked, and its try to load a s2 car with demo license


@topick 2

Donwloading at 16kbs =S ,Everyone is downloading the patch!!!

LFS is unlocked!!

[Flame CZE]

Vary nice patch Scawen!! Thanks for it. Interiors are great too

[Electrik Kar]

Without a doubt, Eric's best work to date.

PS, another screen..

[dougie-lampkin]

Without a doubt, Eric's best work to date.

PS, another screen..

That looks simply :jawdrop:

[Cue-Ball]

The interior improvements are incredible. What a huge difference. I had custom dds files loaded for all of the cars before, but I think once all the cars are done I won't need them any longer. The race cars are great, but the XFG is probably the biggest improvement. It looks much more crisp, clean, and realistic. I can't wait to see the rest of the cars get the improvements as well.

The XRR headlights do look a little odd, though. As though the texture doesn't quite fit or something.

I haven't had a chance to test out the frame rate improvements (my work machine doesn't support HVS), but so far the patch looks superb. :thumb:

[Gil07]

The new cockpits are amazing, great work by Eric!

UF is still in the to-do list, if you check Scawen's other post, so dont worry bout that one ;)

[tonyonparas]

I just love the XR, XF and open wheels´s interiors. Uf looks bit bad still, but i hope that´ll change. The new XRT rims are good, dot know about the xrg rims.. I dont like em. But overall very good and remember that it´ll get updated many times :thumb:

[Furiously-Fast]

Great work! XFG has a better bodykit, XRG has much nicer wheels, GTR seats/interior is great, and the XRT is easier to drive!:D

[screama]

XFR doesnt need a clutch with Y30?! :scratchch

[Flame CZE]

XFR doesnt need a clutch with Y30?! :scratchch
it has got sequential gearbox

[wien]

Loving the new interiors. Details like the welds in the rollcage just make them. Great work once again! :thumb:

[psychometalist]

Anybody encountered huge FPS drop?

[baSh0r]

http://teaminferno.hu/racers/squassel/pic/Testpatch/

jaaa jajaja

[Cue-Ball]

Great work! XFG has a better bodykit, XRG has much nicer wheels, GTR seats/interior is great, and the XRT is easier to drive!:DThat is debatable. Personally, I don't like the new wheels. The spokes are too thin and the middle looks "empty". I wasn't a big fan of the old wheels, but the new ones aren't any better, IMO. With all of the different bespoke versions that people came up with, I think there's room for improvement here.

edit: I would humbly suggest these for the XRG: http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6485/workemotionstk7.jpg
and these for the XRT: http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=25851&d=1173238066

And pretty much anything would be an improvement over the current UF1 wheels. :)

[Cue-Ball]

Anybody encountered huge FPS drop?Does your video card support HVS? Did you upgrade from Y to Y30 or were you running one of the earlier test patches (Y24, for example).

If your card doesn't support HVS, you'll need to get one that does.

[Bean0]

Did the model of the XRR change more than just the mirrors ?

I'm noticing errors on my skins at the rear of the car :(

[Flame CZE]

What does V1 only mean ? In list of hosts

[ddd9022]

it has got sequential gearbox
Had it sequential gearbox before this patch? I think not, but i wont drive XFR very often, so i can mistake.
p.s. Almost forgot- New patch is GREAT! Interiors are the best!

[Flame CZE]

Had it sequential gearbox before this patch? I think not, but i wont drive XFR very often, so i can mistake.
p.s. Almost forgot- New patch is GREAT! Interiors are the best!
Yes, it had H-shifter before.

[Kid222]

Great, new cockpits are looking good, like i expected. XRR looks like proper GTR now (except for those air vent bits, which are also in XFR, but that's just imo).

Also found a bug: XRT and XRG have something wrong with mirrors.

[Bean0]

What does V1 only mean ? In list of hosts

Must be something to do with that V1 Racing TV Show thingy.

[Cue-Ball]

Also found a bug: XRT and XRG have something wrong with mirrors.I don't see anything wrong. :shrug:

[510N3D]

"- ...updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4"

Scawen would you care to give a bit more details about that?

As for the rest, haven't tested anything yet but with the change log in mind and after looking at the some of the sceenshots in here it certainly looks like a nice piece of work ;)

[Ovidiu23]

I like this detail:

[psychometalist]

Does your video card support HVS? Did you upgrade from Y to Y30 or were you running one of the earlier test patches (Y24, for example).

If your card doesn't support HVS, you'll need to get one that does.

It's a 8800 GT.

Interesting. It was set to 1440x900@16bit with AA & AF off, giving out 140 FPS average. Now I've changed it to 32bit with 4xAA and 4xAF, it jumped to 225 FPS average again. Weird:scratchch

[Kegetys]

Nice interiors, I just hope updating the other cars doesn't take as long as these did. :thumbsup:

The doors (from the inside) look rather low detailed still though, and the transition from the now-high quality dashboards to the low detail doors look a bit out of place. Same goes for the driver hands & gloves, hopefully those will be updated too.

[feat]

It looks nice and kinda improving, but i really dont like the thing, that it starts to look like rFactor. Well true, that that's how racing car should look, but .. :shrug:
And rims on XRT are fugly, sorry, looks little rice.

[Woyta]

Nice Interiors. But I thing sport steering wheel in road cars was good.
This type of steering wheel you can find in old "slow" cars.
Look at sport versions. They have different steering wheel for a feel of speed (car not should be fast but it must looks fast.). :) This is Marketing. :)

[Scawen]

The UF interior does look quite unfinished and rough, tbh. Guess that's still a WIP.I just want to make sure everyone knows I am responsible for the UF cars, so you have only me to blame for them and I will do more updating on the UF in future. I just borrowed the dashboard from the XR so that at least it was a little modified and better than before. The UF models need plenty of work and it's useful experience for me working in the editors sometimes.

"- ...updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4"

Scawen would you care to give a bit more details about that?The rear suspension geometry was adjusted so the roll centre is a bit higher. This makes the roll centre a bit higher than the front suspension's roll centre, so the roll axis is inclined downwards to the front and this should improve the handling of the car. Also with the higher roll centre there is less body roll.

[MrPDR]

I am rly upset because i just used i think my last 2 unlocks im not sure, going TO y30 and seeing 34 servers (makes it almost pointless) and going BAK to Y24 and using another unlock, just to be on other servers with my friends
Im not using it, if it was compatible, or all servers went to Y30 then yeah.

other than that see ya when patch Y100000000000000 comes out ...

[Cue-Ball]

Same goes for the driver hands & gloves, hopefully those will be updated too.I have a feeling we'll see updated drivers (body/hands/helmet/etc) before S2 is done. But if they were to do that now it would invalidate ALL hotlaps, which they are apparently trying to avoid. When we get to the point that a fully incompatible patch has to be released, I'd bet money we get a new driver model at that time.

Or maybe I'm an optimistic fanboy. :D

[Stigpt]

QUESTION:

Will I be able to run a MPR replay from y-22 with y-30?
I got a movie featuring the XFR and I'd like to use the new interiors - but the replay is a week old :D

[Cue-Ball]

Will I be able to run a MPR replay from y-22 with y-30?No. Whenever a car model changes (even a very tiny amount), it alters the physics calculations. Pre-Y30 replays will not work (unless the replay contains only unaltered cars - the LX4, for instance).

Edit: I stand corrected. According to Scawen those replays will work, but may stutter.

[Fabri91]

The new interiors are awesome! Can't wait for the other ones to be refreshed too.

[MaKaKaZo]

I am rly upset because i just used i think my last 2 unlocks im not sure, going TO y30 and seeing 34 servers (makes it almost pointless) and going BAK to Y24 and using another unlock, just to be on other servers with my friends
Im not using it, if it was compatible, or all servers went to Y30 then yeah.

other than that see ya when patch Y100000000000000 comes out ...

This is a test patch and you should read the release notes in the first post before installing it. It says clearly that it is an incompatible patch, and that an unlock is needed. And patch Z is coming next week.

[e2mustang]

Thats so beautiful devs! thanks again!:bowdown:

For the people here: STOP making stupid threads complaining about lfs,when they work hard every day,to make more awesomness game for us. thx

[zeromussov]

Yep, I think the driver/helmet models are one of the important things to update next, since u use it in any car. (and they're very low-res compared to the other things)

For the rest, XRR interior looks great, not sure about the new headlights. I also like the new FOX and XRT interior. Good job.

[beefyman666]

Awesome stuff, just checked out the new interiors and i'm impressed. I now await some uber high res textures from certain people. ;)

[Kristjan.J]

This update is really f***ing awesome! I couldn't imagine that! Thank you so much !

[mutt107]

just checked it out seems very nice! thx scawen and good luck wih future patches :thumb:

[AndroidXP]

Scawen, one minor thing; in the display menu it still says "FOX dashboard" but is actually the colour for all the new dashboards in the GTR cars.

My suggestion is either rename the label to make it clear more cars are affected, or add a separate colour slider for each of the affected cars :)

[ACCAkut]

The XRR now has frontlights????? wow:thumb::thumb:

[evilpimp]

Simply amazing. The XFR is great!

[Don]

perhaps a BUG:
reverse lights on XFR do have a strange colour (orange...should be white, i guess)

[dougie-lampkin]

Excellent work fellas, feels and looks brilliant!

Just a quick question though: in the XRR I get negative turbo pressure when I'm idling. Is this supposed to be? It's at -13.8 in this shot:

[Ramses]

XRT became undrivable. Mirror is now at its best at the center of the windscreen and at worst on top of the dashboard???

I really cant drive with a mirror like that. It already was way to low but but it got worse now.

[510N3D]

The rear suspension geometry was adjusted so the roll centre is a bit higher. This makes the roll centre a bit higher than the front suspension's roll centre, so the roll axis is inclined downwards to the front and this should improve the handling of the car. Also with the higher roll centre there is less body roll.

Ok that sounds good, although i dont fully understand it yet ;). Thanks for that. :thumb:

[scipy]

Mm, I hope everyone understands that giving the XFR a sequential gearbox with ignition cut has made it considerably faster than UFR, so I'm hoping the UFR gets one too. Otherwise it's a bit unfair..

[bmwe30m3]

Okay,scawen you were talking about making a new CMX viewer,so it will be after Z patch?

[MrPDR]

This is a test patch and you should read the release notes in the first post before installing it. It says clearly that it is an incompatible patch, and that an unlock is needed. And patch Z is coming next week.

yeah i read al that

and..O_O i had no idea Z is coming out in my life time :P haha

[Yoda098]

Uhm?

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9159/66368022gz1.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66368022gz1.jpg)

[JEP]

WOW!

That look's great.

:x

[Shotglass]

very nice textures
not sure about the xfgs mirrors and the fox' rev counter but still very nice work and im glad that eric is alive after all

oh and yay for finally having steering columns

[Electrik Kar]

Awesome stuff, just checked out the new interiors and i'm impressed. I now await some uber high res textures from certain people. ;)

I don't see why you'd want or need to go anymore high-res than the current textures. They're really fine.

I think I like the new FOX interior best. :D It's not as complex as some of the others of course, but it really does look very nice, very realistic.

[bmwe30m3]

And Scawen,would you be kind and tell me the XFG steering wheel texture name?,i like it but it looks plain

[three_jump]

I find the last 2 lines (fuel and brake blance) of the new digi-dash very hard to read while driving, even with leaning forward.

EDIT: I mean the xrr style ones

[Scawen]

QUESTION:

Will I be able to run a MPR replay from y-22 with y-30?
I got a movie featuring the XFR and I'd like to use the new interiors - but the replay is a week old :DYes, although the physics of some cars changed, the MP Replays have not been invalidated. You'll probably see more jerking on the changed cars because the prediction between position updates does not match what happened when the replay was recorder.

Mm, I hope everyone understands that giving the XFR a sequential gearbox with ignition cut has made it considerably faster than UFR, so I'm hoping the UFR gets one too. Otherwise it's a bit unfair..The UFR got some significant updates to its centre of gravity .

Uhm?

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9159/66368022gz1.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=66368022gz1.jpg)Using high res texture packs?

This looks like you have run out of texture memory on the graphics card.

[Bob Smith]

oh and yay for finally having steering columns
Haha :D

I just want to make sure everyone knows I am responsible for the UF cars, so you have only me to blame for them and I will do more updating on the UF in future. I just borrowed the dashboard from the XR so that at least it was a little modified and better than before. The UF models need plenty of work and it's useful experience for me working in the editors sometimes.
This worryingly sounds like Eric is doing less of the work. I think we're all hoping that LFS isn't becoming a one man show.

The rear suspension geometry was adjusted so the roll centre is a bit higher. This makes the roll centre a bit higher than the front suspension's roll centre, so the roll axis is inclined downwards to the front and this should improve the handling of the car. Also with the higher roll centre there is less body roll.
Good to see some more thought going into suspension design.

Going to have a play then start digging these new values out.

[Scawen]

And Scawen,would you be kind and tell me the XFG steering wheel texture name?,i like it but it looks plainAttached - the list of XFG and XFR steering wheel textures.

[Scawen]

This worryingly sounds like Eric is doing less of the work. I think we're all hoping that LFS isn't becoming a one man show.No, the UF models were mine from day 1. It was something I wanted to do, I knew a slow car would be popular.

[bmwe30m3]

Attached - the list of XFG and XFR steering wheel textures.
Thank you!:)

[Riders Motion]

Awesome stuff, just checked out the new interiors and i'm impressed. I now await some uber high res textures from certain people. ;)

Hahaha Unseen and Luathas, get your Photoshop ready! :D

[Andrei221]

bug or what? it freezed then bang..was like this

[Scawen]

bug or what? it freezed then bang..was like thisAre you using high res texture packs?

This looks like you have run out of texture memory on the graphics card.

[beefyman666]

Hahaha Unseen and Luathas, get your Photoshop ready! :D

I wasn't going to mention names but those are a couple of the ones I had thought of.

I'm not very keen on the XRT's new wheels, but hey ho. Most of the other new stuff is pretty damn good, and I haven't even tested it all out with the wheel yet. Only looked at the graphical side of things;

[Shotglass]

not that i dont like the new interiors but i think we have a bit of a copyright issue with the xfg interior
http://www.puntosports.co.uk/models/mk1_interior.jpg
couldnt find a better pic sry

[MAGGOT]

Oh wow! Tell Eric I might have to cancel my date tonight, these interiors are that nice! Can't wait to get home from work and download this one. More updates than I had expected. I'm not a fan of the new road car steering wheel, BUT it looks "right" for the cars (dated car body = dated interior styling, too) so I'm perfectly fine with it. It's realistic, and it fits the cars. Good judgement there.

Exciting times. Good to hear about the minor physics adjustments, too. Can't wait to try this stuff out! :D

[Yoda098]

Using high res texture packs?
This looks like you have run out of texture memory on the graphics card.


Yes, but not on that particular track, only a few on the cars :scratchch
640mb on the card :shrug:

[dawesdust_12]

So Scawen, correct me if I'm wrong: You're the one who's modelled the UF1000 / UFR?

[Andrei221]

Are you using high res texture packs?

This looks like you have run out of texture memory on the graphics card.


nope Scawen.. after i did an alt-tab it was back to normal...

[Scawen]

So Scawen, correct me if I'm wrong: You're the one who's modelled the UF1000 / UFR?I'm running out of different ways to say the same fact.

But of course I nicked some parts from Eric's cars, like steering wheel / seat / XR racing dash.

[bmwe30m3]

Well i had an idea,what if you could make the LX4 rims on UF1?,the 3 spoke ones look kinda wrong,but hey,thats just me

[dawesdust_12]

I'm running out of different ways to say the same fact.

Hmm, sorry for being stupid about it, but however I'm rather impressed now that I've learnt that.


(/me = really bad modeller :p)

[Commander]

I'm running out of different ways to say the same fact.

Don't you want us to know that fact? Or why are you sidestepping? :scratchch :D

[duke_toaster]

nope Scawen.. after i did an alt-tab it was back to normal...

For reasons I don't know of, sometimes alt-tab screws up LFS. Pre-existing issue.

Scawen, I'm impressed to learn that you modelled the UF, even though you gypped parts from the other cars. Shows that you guys are all multi-talented. Next, will we see the three of you singing and juggling chainsaws whilst on Segways on Britain's Got Talent? :D

Thanks for the patch, looking forward to Z and the future. I've also got an avatar ready for Z :P

[LineR32]

Great work guys. :thumb:

I don't like the new XRT wheels, they don't suit it imo. LX4 wheels being put on UF1 sounds good though, they make the car look much nicer. :)

I can't wait for the Veiwer update.

[rusty8]

nice work scawen :thumb: !

[[SWE]RE]

Great work. :)

[Flame CZE]

May I ask, Scawen, what does V1 only mean in list of hosts? Thanks

[balee]

In today's version I have no lessons to open. (pic1)

Since Y24 I have problems only in the garage. Every cars' brake dial seems bugged. (pic2, pic3) I tried with Y and some Y test patches, but there were no dots like these. Is it for me only?

[Flame CZE]

If you install Y30, you cant connect to online servers with lower Ytest version

[pauliaK]

This test patch is awesome, way more than I was expecting :hyper:

Changes in TEST PATCH Y30 :

Updated interiors in XF and XR (GTR and road) cars
Formula XR and Formula V8 also have updated interiors
Wind speeds and variations are now more moderate / less wild
Moved and lowered centre of gravity in GTR cars for better handling
Lowered centre of gravity and updated rear suspension of XRT and RB4
FIX : FPS display could overlap editor keys in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : RB4 dashboard went wrong in left hand drive mode
FIX : User could spam TCP requests causing overload
Is this going to effect aerodynamics? For example drag effect in formulas? :scratchch

[Commander]

Scawen, another question, I read somewhere that wind was reduced, does this only account when using wind or has the aeroloss also been reduced?

[Kid222]

May I ask, Scawen, what does V1 only mean in list of hosts? Thanks
Stop asking please. Firstly, i don't see anything "V1" in list of hosts and secondly, if theres something called "V1" here, then Scawen will apparently not tell you for some reasons.
Thank you.

[MataGyula]

I don't think it has to do anything with aerodynamics, it's just that during a half an hour race the wind won't go crazy like it did before :P
Thank You for the patch ScaViEr, nice work, can't wait to download teh Z :P

[JO53PHS]

Well i had an idea,what if you could make the LX4 rims on UF1?,the 3 spoke ones look kinda wrong,but hey,thats just me


It actually looks quite good :)

[mutt107]

i have a problem when i try to connect to some servers my lfs says lfs.exe has stopped working windows is trying to fine a solution to the problem. :shrug:

[Scawen]

May I ask, Scawen, what does V1 only mean in list of hosts? ThanksWell for some reason you have the V1 version set in your config.txt.

V1 championship will be getting going at some point in the not too distant future and they asked us for a special version which make it very easy for a beginner to go online and find V1 hosts (e.g. not looking at 750 S2 hosts). Seeing as they aim to show LFS on TV and got us started on the Formula BMW, it seemed a simple request worth doing.

So, this filter which will be on by default in their version, only shows V1 hosts in the list of hosts. But their version is exactly our version, with one line changed in the cfg.txt to allow the FBM to be the first car selected when you first enter LFS, and for that filter to be switched on.

Anyway, most people do not see the "V1 only" host filter. You were not even supposed to see that at all. Either you downloaded the V1 version or you manually edited your cfg.txt at some point so you see that filter.

[Inouva]

The LFS Viewer , it be Updated with Patch Z ?

[Scawen]

Is this going to effect aerodynamics? For example drag effect in formulas? :scratchchNo. It's just that wind speeds and variations are now more moderate / less wild.

[Flame CZE]

Well for some reason you have the V1 version set in ...

thanks, now I remember, I've changed it in my cfg.txt :) sorry

[Newtonyo]

Incredible! Thanks, downloading! Very nice work. :)

[mutt107]

i have a problem when i try to connect to some servers my lfs says lfs.exe has stopped working windows is trying to fine a solution to the problem. :shrug:help on this please :(

[JO53PHS]

Is the road cars steering wheel just a single repeated texture + some other bits for the grip? So adding badges etc. would be a no-no?

[pauliaK]

help on this please :(
Reinstall the whole LFS (Install it elsewhere on your system and update it to Y30), because it seems you're the only one having this problem, so it must be your system's fault. Perhaps corrupt install or something like that.

[russraine]

help on this please :(
Bit vague mate - Vista says that about every program I use at least once a day!

[Red Rider]

this patch test is really ql:)

[Ramses]

XRT became undrivable. Mirror is now at its best at the center of the windscreen and at worst on top of the dashboard???

I really cant drive with a mirror like that. It already was way to low but but it got worse now.

After doing some comparisons with Y24 it seems its more the shape. It did end up lower then before but the hight makes the difference.

I tested in on "the corkscrew" at Aston and whole cars fit behind it that you only notice after reaching the bottom. I would say the lowest possible verticaloffset setting should be what the highest is now.

[G!NhO]

only thing i can say is, wauw :thumb: great work :thumbsup:

[Misko]

A little oversight: XRG and XRT with left hand driver side have speedo on the left side of the dash (placement gets reversed and it shouldn't). :) Can be seen in screenshot (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=59978&d=1214589048) posted here before.

New interiors are awesome! Only little complaint is shift light on XRR which is under the gear number, far from line of sight, not so visible, sometimes obscured by the steering wheel. In XFR it's little better since it stands alone in the dark down there. :) In FOX it's perfect though, topmost thing, clearly visible without even looking.

[mantvisrep]

i cant extract file??? it writes datta error

[pauliaK]

i cant extract file??? it writes datta error
Redownload the patch file.

[mikey_G]

low priority bug report, can be reproduced

I'm using a clean lfs install, updated it to y30.

my steps to create the bug:
I start lfs.exe for the first time, come to the language choosing screen, choose portugese and then click on english again, click ok to proceed, and then I see the welcome screen in portugese. After I click away the welcoming screen it's in english again




edit: I should add that this only happened with portugese. I checked a few other languages, but i had no bugs there.

[NitroNitrous]

Thanks Scavier, I love the new interiors :) The only thing are the XRG wheels... looks a bit fake.
Well, it´s time to test the patch, let´s go :auto:

[mantvisrep]

Redownload the patch file.



i had... but still it don't work...

[hrtburnout]

The turbochargers have changed too. I just drove the XRT (which has great new wheels), and I noticed some turbo lag, and quick spooling. :thumb:

And the G-force dial has changed too.

[duke_toaster]

i cant extract file??? it writes datta error

Try downloading the patch and trying again.

[Byku]

Strange that I have noticed that right now... and I dont have backup of Y24 and earlier patches. I've got clutch support off, H-shifter and when i change the gear to let's say 5th from 4th without using the clutch, it goes to neutral, the revs drop a little and then the 5th gear kicks in O.o. WITHOUT using the clutch. Emmm....

[hrtburnout]

Strange that I have noticed that right now... and I dont have backup of Y24 and earlier patches. I've got clutch support off, H-shifter and when i change the gear to let's say 5th from 4th without using the clutch, it goes to neutral, the revs drop a little and then the 5th gear kicks in O.o. WITHOUT using the clutch. Emmm....

That's been like that for ages.

[cool_big_andy]

The new rearviewmirror is pretty useful^^

[pauliaK]

low priority bug report, can be reproduced

I'm using a clean lfs install, updated it to y30.

my steps to create the bug:
I start lfs.exe for the first time, come to the language choosing screen, choose portugese and then click on english again, click ok to proceed, and then I see the welcome screen in portugese. After I click away the welcoming screen it's in english again
I was using a fresh install as well. I had no troubles with languages, but there was no intro movie like it used to be before (I mean original patch Y).

[Cue-Ball]

The new rearviewmirror is pretty useful^^I generally hate off-topic replies in the test patch forum, but that is just plain awesome. :D

[Electric Eye]

Ehm... just tried the free cars today, they look a lot nicer and more realistic from inside I think except there's one problem, at least to me.

It was always nice to have the center line of wheel in the actual center rather than ... a bit off it.

Like Highlighted in the picture, or am I blind.

[RoosaRuulibPlx]

Why are my XFG, XRT and XRG wheel like that?
I'm using Sparco Wheelpack, Grip is okay, but i dont like it plain :/

http://mj2nes.planet.ee/LFS/lfs_00000371.bmp

[okijuhans]

As you can see - these cars have new model for wheels.

[Flame CZE]

It's just normal... new steering wheels in Y30 added

[Whiskey]

It's easy, you just have to overwrite them again

[pauliaK]

i had... but still it don't work...
I can send you that file via skype or live messenger if you want.

Why are my XFG, XRT and XRG wheel like that?
I'm using Sparco Wheelpack, Grip is okay, but i dont like it plain :/

http://mj2nes.planet.ee/LFS/lfs_00000371.bmpSurprise, it's not going to work on Patch Z. However, it shouldn't be a problem to make it work, but there's no need, because new wheel is just a damn nice one and suits the car just fine.

[Waffenaffe]

We discussed the XRT and the XRG Wheels in CD server.

Our Question,The XRT is a wild car,would u change the rims from the XRG to the XRT?We think,it looks cooler.Anyone has made a Photoshopped pic.

Nice Patch.

[Mithras]

My XF reverse lights are red..?

Excellent work on the cars. I love how they all look so much more professional.

For the XF and XR models, why is it that the turnsignals are still represented by a single dot when there's spaces allotted for the individual left and right signals in the middle of the dash? Just a bit annoying to me because I'm like that but whatever.

Pardon my lack of FZR knowledge but didn't its gearbox also become sequential and have ignition-cut along with the FXR and XRR? It's H-pattern now, that just seems a little weird that the other two GTRs are sequential with ignition-cut and the FZR isn't.

[Electric Eye]

Also guys, could any of ya capture some screenies of S2 cars and show the new interiors in em?

[Flame CZE]

My XF reverse lights are red..?

Zoom in, they are red wirh white dots, yes I don't like them too.


Pardon my lack of FZR knowledge but didn't its gearbox also become sequential and have ignition-cut along with the FXR and XRR? It's H-pattern now, that just seems a little weird that the other two GTRs are sequential with ignition-cut and the FZR isn't.
FZR got H-shifter because of GTR class ballancing in older patches

[Cue-Ball]

Also guys, could any of ya capture some screenies of S2 cars and show the new interiors in em?There are already pictures in the main forum thread.

[priit213]

LFS is unlocked!!

I had the same problem minute ago. I locked it again to demo, and now all my unlocks are used. But it solved the car loading problem.

I was wondering, do i have to wait to another friday to get new unlocks?

[pauliaK]

Also guys, could any of ya capture some screenies of S2 cars and show the new interiors in em?
Check the previous posts, there are many of them with screenshots attached.

[Mithras]

@Flame CZE

Ah okay, thank you for clearing that up.

No I don't really like the new XF lights that much either, both front and rear. And I can't stand the XRG and XRT wheels either. The XRG's dont really look like they'd be from a factory. And even then I'd much rather have them on the XRT but still don't like either car's wheels at the moment haha. But it's hard to pay attention to the wheels when the rest of the cars look so much better :)

Might I suggest a center logo on the new road steering wheels?
SCAVIER would look nice :P

SCAVIER™
POWER.
PERFORMANCE.
SCAVIER.™


haha.

[Mithras]

Also guys, could any of ya capture some screenies of S2 cars and show the new interiors in em?

Here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=843053#post843053).

[TG44]

The new XRT rims are good, dot know about the xrg rims.. I dont like em.

swap XRT with xrg and you've got my opinion :scratchch

[Pablo.CZ]

Great patch, thx.

BUG: grass through FO8 floor (maybe other cars too, didnt tested it yet)

[JO53PHS]

That bug's been there since time began :shrug:

[kirmy]

i also agree, even though the xrg's new rims look great, i would prefer them on the xrt, i just think they would look better, but hey, great new patch, thanks SCAVIER

[QBi]

Amazing patch :) Love the new interiors. But I dislike XRR's headlights. They seem to be ummm ... cut in half. Will it be changed or stay like that?

Oh btw. the idea of putting LX4 wheels into UF1 is great :thumb:

[Boris Lozac]

I've noticed that it takes quite a long time to go on the track when i click "ready", tried only in hotlap mode... It takes about 20, 30 seconds... :scratchch

Also, this error always pops out...

[diablo21]

swap XRT with xrg and you've got my opinion :scratchch

+1

The XRT rims are... :shrug:

[mikey_G]

I've noticed that it takes quite a long time to go on the track when i click "ready", tried only in hotlap mode... It takes about 20, 30 seconds... :scratchch

Also, this error always pops out...
You should also post all the lines containing the word "OutGauge" of your cfg.txt

It looks kinda silly though, udp is connectionless and lfs also isn't capable of making a faux-tcp connection with OutGauge's udp packets.

[mr_x]

2 things (too much thread to read to know if these have been mentioned before)...

1. the air vents especially in XF cars still look very crap and ruin these 'new' cockpits (yes they look better, but still not good enough IMO)

2. The XF cockpit is a rip off of a mk1 Fiat Punto
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z62/beau_4076/Image467.jpg

[PLAYAPIMP]

2 things (too much thread to read to know if these have been mentioned before)...

1. the air vents especially in XF cars still look very crap and ruin these 'new' cockpits (yes they look better, but still not good enough IMO)

2. The XF cockpit is a rip off of a mk1 Fiat Punto
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z62/beau_4076/Image467.jpg

he probly owns a Punto...

[Krammeh]

It's a nice patch overall.

But I get the feeling that during the creation/update of the UFR interior they got an Email notification to say that someone bought a S2 licence, and they all went out to the pub or something.

That's the only thing I dislike about this patch - the UFR. Which was my fave car, is now my most hated.

There is just not enough details on it.

It looks like you've just deleted it all, added one shadow, spread it across the whole dash - and just smacked on two gauges. Not good enough if you ask me - *shrugs*

[h3adbang3r]

The XRR tends to get on two wheels easier now, I am trying other tracks with it to confirm.

[Cue-Ball]

The XRR tends to get on two wheels easier now, I am trying other tracks with it to confirm.That's odd. If anything it should be harder to get on 2 wheels since the center of gravity is now lower.

[MarioX]

...
2. The XF cockpit is a rip off of a mk1 Fiat Punto
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z62/beau_4076/Image467.jpg

so what!? :really:

Using various details from 'real' cars is a great way to make these fictional ones feel and look more realistic and believable, imo :nod:

E: Krammeh, UF/UFR are still very much wip, as was said, and will be updated in the future - uf wasn't mentioned amongst cars with new finished interiors in patch announcement, was it?

[Homeless_Drunk]

It's a nice patch overall.

But I get the feeling that during the creation/update of the UFR interior they got an Email notification to say that someone bought a S2 licence, and they all went out to the pub or something.

That's the only thing I dislike about this patch - the UFR. Which was my fave car, is now my most hated.

There is just not enough details on it.

It looks like you've just deleted it all, added one shadow, spread it across the whole dash - and just smacked on two gauges. Not good enough if you ask me - *shrugs*

If you dig though the forum you'll see that the UFR is not complete yet...so don't frett :)

[diablo21]

The only thing missing now are seat belts/harness'. Would make it complete!

[Flame CZE]

I found little bug with texture on XFG - see the attachment

[h3adbang3r]

XRR isn't flipping as easily, it's just my bad driving :)

Damn those BL curbs.

The XR and XF interiors are looking great! Thanks Eric!

[Scawen]

help on this please :(Did you get a crash address from Windows? Something that looks a bit like 0x004f52c4 or 0x00520be8 - a number like that.

I tested in on "the corkscrew" at Aston and whole cars fit behind it that you only notice after reaching the bottom. I would say the lowest possible verticaloffset setting should be what the highest is now.Try sitting in a real car. You will notice the rear mirror is not way up high above your head at the top of the windscreen. In fact the bottom of the mirror is just slightly above your eye height.

I've noticed that it takes quite a long time to go on the track when i click "ready", tried only in hotlap mode... It takes about 20, 30 seconds... :scratchch

Also, this error always pops out...I think you could just delete all the OutGauge lines from your cfg.txt file.

[Scawen]

The XR and XF interiors are looking great! Thanks Scawen!Eric did them, not me.

[mutt107]

Did you get a crash address from Windows? Something that looks a bit like 0x004f52c4 or 0x00520be8 - a number like that.no all i got was 'lfs.exe has stopped working, windows is finding a solution to this problem. sry if i can't give more info :(

[kirmy]

i would like to see the handbrake, warning/hazards and other lights to be on the actual dash, if you get what i mean, not on three little leds, would be much more life like, i know its only a small change, but i think it would look better:shrug:

[arco]

After doing a fresh install of Y and then upgrading to Y30, I've noticed that the wear markings on the track is missing. Has this something to do with the new graphics options, and is there any way to get them back?

[Scawen]

If you have your old folder you can copy your .trs files from the data\knw folder.

[dougie-lampkin]

After doing a fresh install of Y and then upgrading to Y30, I've noticed that the wear markings on the track is missing. Has this something to do with the new graphics options, and is there any way to get them back?

Let 10 AI BF1s run there for 10 mins, it'll be there again ;)

[Mithras]

i would like to see the handbrake, warning/hazards and other lights to be on the actual dash, if you get what i mean, not on three little leds, would be much more life like, i know its only a small change, but i think it would look better:shrug:

Yea I mentioned that as well in a previous post regarding the turnsignal spots on the XFG's dash.

Maybe the XRR's headlights are purposely designed so the remaining portion of the flip-up lights resemble that of a Lamborghini Countach's when they're up :smileypul

[Bean0]

Just wondering...

Do the changes to GTR mentioned apply to the FWD-GTR as well ?

[arco]

If you have your old folder you can copy your .trs files from the data\knw folder.

Let 10 AI BF1s run there for 10 mins, it'll be there again ;)

Aha! So this is something that builds up over time? Didn't know that, but now I do. :thumb: (learns something new every day, hehe)

[Cue-Ball]

Maybe the XRR's headlights are purposely designed so the remaining portion of the flip-up lights resemble that of a Lamborghini Countach's when they're up :smileypulI'm pretty sure the XRR headlights are meant to be aftermarket flush-mount lights that are generally used on race cars with flip-up lights. Flip-up lights are a huge drag at high speeds, so race cars with these types of lights generally have flush mounted lights instead. Because there is no oncoming traffic they can use smaller, yet brighter lights that easily fit into these areas.

Here are some (admittedly, not very good) examples:
http://membres.lycos.fr/loonyq3/3big.jpg
http://www.mr2beast.com/images/NBRFQEXLSM.jpg

[ponczak]

New interiors are beautifull, xrg rims too.
But XRT rims are ugly, old was better, more edgy than new.. I hope in Z patch XRT will have new rims :shy:
keep working :nod::thumb:

[NitroNitrous]

...2. The XF cockpit is a rip off of a mk1 Fiat Punto
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z62/beau_4076/Image467.jpg

And the side door panels are of a Renault Mégane (But this is not new)

Am I the only one who likes XRT rims and dislikes XRG rims? :( BBS style is nice but they look too much unrealistic IMO

[Sir moi 407]

Well XFR is sequential so really better than UFR now :shrug:
You say that the gravity center is better in UFR but in XFR it is better too :scratchch
EDIT: In my opinion (if somebody cares lol) putting the gravity center more in the middle is a nice thing but not with FZR :( Because FZR is THE rear motor car and a lot of weight in the rear is nice....

[h3adbang3r]

Eric did them, not me.Your the first person that comes to mind on development, sorry.

Thanks Eric!

[Boris Lozac]

I think you could just delete all the OutGauge lines from your cfg.txt file.

That worked, thanks! :)

[gacek1]

Great work.
I want to see new interiors for all cars in upcoming patch Z :)

[ESPAÑA[XTM]]

I have found a bug.

I don´t know if it´s already reported, but I haven´t seen anything about it.

Look at the attached file, I have draw 3 circles in the mirrors, as you can see, they are in black..


Regards

Edit to add: Using Y30 Version

[beefyman666]

I've not trawled through this thread but meh, I have found a little problem with the turbo guage in the XRR.

When it's fully 'wound' up its at 25.9psi, and both the digi display and analog (wheel, chase cam) show. But when it's 'idle' it's at -14.7psi on the digi display, but it's 0psi on the analog guage.

Hope I've worded it correctly, but I have uploaded two screenshots to show what I mean. One being and full throttle with 'full' turbo, the other is both idle.

[mutt107]

;843551']I have found a bug.

I don´t know if it´s already reported, but I haven´t seen anything about it.

Look at the attached file, I have draw 3 circles in the mirrors, as you can see, they are in black..


Regards

Edit to add: Using Y30 Versionyou can't see mirrors in chase view.

[tikshow]

why i can't select autocross anymore?

[h3adbang3r]

Bug: Driver's helmet sinks into the seat on the XFG a bit.

[ESPAÑA[XTM]]

you can't see mirrors in chase view.

I can in real life.. so is a bug I think.. :scratchch

[NitroNitrous]

;843560']I can in real life.. so is a bug I think.. :scratchch

It´s just a not implemented feature (still) :shrug:

[aroX123]

why i can't select autocross anymore?
Lol, i can..
Maybe u have deleted something

[beefyman666]

why i can't select autocross anymore?

Maybe there's a monster in there. :shrug:

Works for me. Try close LFS, reopen and try selecting Autocross again. If that doesn't work, shout at it. If shouting doesn't work, have an emotional moment with Scawen, cry your little eyes out. :)

[tikshow]

i didn't delete anything only just copy files of my lfs folder overwrite the files what it wanted and that's all, it isn't a big problem because i raced on it 1,5 year ago maybe, but don't know maybe i'll needed once :)

[wien]

;843560']I can in real life.. so is a bug I think.. :scratchchMost likely it's an optimization. There's absolutely no point in rendering the entire scene twice for what amounts to a few hundred pixels in the resulting image.

[Niteshade]

I think I found a bug with the seats in the XR GTR . When spinning to one side with the wheel fully locked to the spinning side, the helmet restraint part of the seat seems to disappear at the base, it happens when turning to either side. See attached.

[Anathema]

i feel bad for my skyline lol

btw the patch is great


From what I see now the new textures look really great. I'll wait untill a final version of the new cmx viewer gets released then I remove the fake lights. And fix some errors with mirrors and stuff.

Great job Dev Team, you are the best.

:thumb:

[Mithras]

I've not trawled through this thread but meh, I have found a little problem with the turbo guage in the XRR.

When it's fully 'wound' up its at 25.9psi, and both the digi display and analog (wheel, chase cam) show. But when it's 'idle' it's at -14.7psi on the digi display, but it's 0psi on the analog guage.

Hope I've worded it correctly, but I have uploaded two screenshots to show what I mean. One being and full throttle with 'full' turbo, the other is both idle.

Yea the analog turbo gauges in LFS never did show turbo vacuum like real-life gauges do, the lowest indication being 0 PSI. Good eye though, I didn't even see that.

I think I found a bug with the seats in the XR GTR . When spinning to one side with the wheel fully locked to the spinning side, the helmet restraint part of the seat seems to disappear at the base, it happens when turning to either side. See attached.

That's probably due to your FOV setting and how "far back" it is set to (the higher the FOV value), and the looking angle.

[tikshow]

I think I found a bug with the seats in the XR GTR . When spinning to one side with the wheel fully locked to the spinning side, the helmet restraint part of the seat seems to disappear at the base, it happens when turning to either side. See attached.

decrease the view angle

[dougie-lampkin]

I've not trawled through this thread but meh, I have found a little problem with the turbo guage in the XRR.

When it's fully 'wound' up its at 25.9psi, and both the digi display and analog (wheel, chase cam) show. But when it's 'idle' it's at -14.7psi on the digi display, but it's 0psi on the analog guage.

Hope I've worded it correctly, but I have uploaded two screenshots to show what I mean. One being and full throttle with 'full' turbo, the other is both idle.

Pff, I posted that AGES ago :schwitz:

Shouldn't show turbo vacuum when idling, surely that's impossible just after switching on your car?

Also it seems to be in minus even when the turbo has pressure, as shown in the analogue gauge ;)

[beefyman666]

Pff, I posted that AGES ago :schwitz:

Shouldn't show turbo vacuum when idling, surely that's impossible just after switching on your car?

Also it seems to be in minus even when the turbo has pressure, as shown in the analogue gauge ;)

Like I said, I didn't trawl through any threads. It only caught my eye now as the digi dials shows a minus figure.

[Niteshade]

That's probably due to your FOV setting and how "far back" it is set to (the higher the FOV value), and the looking angle.


It's set to default, 87 degrees. I wasn't pay attention earlier but it happens at full lock no matter which way I'm spinning.

EDIT: It happens with a lower fov and with it larger, as long as it's full lock.

EDIT2: It goes away for anything below 77 degrees and after 112 degrees.

[Feffe85]

dont know if it´s been posted, but i found that the fbm_default.jpg after patching is showing an RAC ;) doesn't look right..

also that thing that the previous poster said, about the turbo.. it´s negative pressure while enginebrake.. but doesn´t change if u have pressure.. only when on like full throttle.. a little dull :)

other then that i LOOOVE the improvements.. like the new look of the cars.. and also the new rims on the XRT :P maybe not new to allbut i haven't noticed them before.. oh well.. of to sleep now..

Scawen: kepp those awesome patches coming! =) Love ur work!!!

[dev]

I don't know if this has been reported, sorry if it has. Not really a bug, but it bugs me :P

When the wheel is set to be on the left side, the turn signal and the wippers switch don't change places. Turn signal switch should be on the left, wipers switch on the right...

[wheel4hummer]

I think that LFS needs a separate, adjustable IAC instead of just increasing the throttle to keep the car idling. I want to be able to adjust the idle speed!

EDIT:Hmm I wonder how the fuel consumption is calculated on the turbo cars? Because in LFS there are no fuel maps (are there? LOL), but in real life more fuel is injected when there is more boost (sometimes), on aftermarket turbocharging at least. I guess OEM turbocharged vehicles just adjust the pulse width going to the fuel injectors when there is more boost. The more boost there is in LFS, shouldn't more fuel be used?

[piratetype]

Wow, i must say; the interior looks great (on the pictures, haven't got the chance to download it....)

But will it be possible to have some sort of interactive/ or animate the dashboard? (if you flash your lights or turn on the blinkers you can see the switches move, or you can click on the buttons on the dash etc.) :tilt:

For those who've played Flight Simulator probably know what I mean....
(Yes, I know it's a race simulator, but i'm currently stuck in the cruise servers :D )

I know i'm asking for a lot now, but will it be possible in the future?


--
Just an idea,
Pirate

[hda]

fantastic scawen, thanks for the patch!

[scania]

where is the turbo pressure meter of XRR?

[shiny_red_cobra]

WOW the XRR has headlights now! I love the new interiors. However, I don't like the placement of the gauges in the XRG and XRT. Why is the tachometer on the right side of the speedometer??? Is there a specific reason? Please put the tachometer on the left where it belongs!

[Breizh]

Why can't you guys post all the suggestions not related to bug reports in the general discussion thread?

[Jamesisinthehouse12]

Fantastic scawen!!! Thanks for the patch!!!
Can't wait for the FZ and FX updates!!! :D
:thumb:

[baSh0r]

why i can't select autocross anymore?

you can't select it in Hotlap mode

[Zachary Zoomy]

couple of questions. :)
-Does the XRR have lights that are up and can they be flashed on and off with the lights key?
-about the XRR and XFR skins, is it just the mirrors that are changed(lights on XRR aswell?), will my skins just have that defect?
-what cars got wheel changes? (not steering wheels)
-will my custom XR and XF DDSes still work? or are they all new?

[nesrulz]

Thx fot sequential gearbox in XFR! :hyper:
Thx for new interiors! :thumb:

GO GO GO LFS!

[shiny_red_cobra]

couple of questions. :)
-Does the XRR have lights that are up and can they be flashed on and off with the lights key?
-about the XRR and XFR skins, is it just the mirrors that are changed(lights on XRR aswell?), will my skins just have that defect?
-what cars got wheel changes? (not steering wheels)
-will my custom XR and XF DDSes still work? or are they all new?

1. The XRR lights seem to light up only when you press G, as with all the other cars. But they are not "popup" headlights, they are just regular headlights instead of the covers that were there before.

2. Looks like only the position of the mirrors has changed, everything else looks the same.

3. Don't know for sure, I only tried a few of the cars, but I can say that the rims look better now, they are shinier and more visible than before. Some cars have completely new rims (XRG/XRT). Others just have nicer looking rims while keeping the same design.

4. I checked out the DDS files, and many things have changed position, so the old interiors for XF/XR cars won't work anymore. :( The UF DDS hasn't changed though.

I have a question of my own though, I hope someone can answer: The old DDS files (for the cars) all had a white square with a black border somewhere in the file which allowed us to change the color of some parts of the car which were untextured. In the new DDS files this square has disappeared. Has it been replaced? Or eliminated completely?

[N I K I]

I'm wondering why does XFR has sequential gearbox now and UFR not? Why to ruin two most perfectly matched cars in LFS?

[mxpxun]

Nice! :thumb:

[AndroidXP]

Kinda strange how the rims, which you practically don't see at all during a race, cause the largest portion of complaint now :scratchch


Well XFR is sequential so really better than UFR now :shrug:
You say that the gravity center is better in UFR but in XFR it is better too :scratchch
EDIT: In my opinion (if somebody cares lol) putting the gravity center more in the middle is a nice thing but not with FZR :( Because FZR is THE rear motor car and a lot of weight in the rear is nice....
:doh:
The centre of gravity wasn't moved forward or backward. It was lowered (moved closer to the ground), which reduces body roll and improves handling. The XFR got a sequential gearbox, but I think the UFR got a much more lowered CoG instead. It shouldn't be that easy to flip it anymore, either.

[danowat]

Kinda strange how the rims, which you practically don't see at all during a race, cause the largest portion of complaint now :scratchch


I thought you'd have known by now, people aren't happy unless they have something to moan about :thumb:

I like every part of the patch, interiors, wheels, XRT is now also VERY nice to drive fast, rear end seems a lot more stable and controllable.

[SladiVadi]

bug or what? it freezed then bang..was like this

This usually happened to me when the pc overheated.

[Scawen]

Do the changes to GTR mentioned apply to the FWD-GTR as well ?Yes, they used to flip a lot so they got lowered CoG and the UF needed some extra improvement to keep up with the XF after it got a sequential gearbox.

Well XFR is sequential so really better than UFR now :shrug:The UF's centre of gravity was MORE improved than the XF. The UF used to flip and had a very extreme front weight distribution. If the balancing is wrong now we need figures, proof... how much do you gain with a sequential box, half a second? How much do you gain with improved centre of gravity and faster cornering? One second? Who knows... if you will claim that the balancing is now wrong, we need the figures to prove it.

I've not trawled through this thread but meh, I have found a little problem with the turbo guage in the XRR.

When it's fully 'wound' up its at 25.9psi, and both the digi display and analog (wheel, chase cam) show. But when it's 'idle' it's at -14.7psi on the digi display, but it's 0psi on the analog guage.The analogue gauge simply stops at 0.

why i can't select autocross anymore?There are no tracks to do a hotlap on at Autocross.

dont know if it´s been posted, but i found that the fbm_default.jpg after patching is showing an RAC ;) doesn't look right..Please can you explain this? I don't know what you mean, the FBM and RAC default skins seem ok in my version.

I'm wondering why does XFR has sequential gearbox now and UFR not? Why to ruin two most perfectly matched cars in LFS?If you want to claim the balancing is ruined, please post detailed lap time comparisions. We need this kind of detail to the 0.1 second accuracy, not just vague comments.

The centre of gravity wasn't moved forward or backward. It was lowered (moved closer to the ground), which reduces body roll and improves handling. The XFR got a sequential gearbox, but I think the UFR got a much more lowered CoG instead. It shouldn't be that easy to flip it anymore, either.Most of the changed cars got a 1% or 1.5% rearward or forward shift (FZR) as well. In the GTR cases this was partly by moving the battery mass from the engine bay, to the cabin floor. Also various tweaks to the weight distribution around the car to get the desired improvements.

EDIT - Full details of the class balancing changes : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44956

[SladiVadi]

The bright green letters are impossible to read on white background (for example driver options screen).

[AndroidXP]

Most of the changed cars got a 1% or 1.5% rearward or forward shift (FZR) as well. In the GTR cases this was partly by moving the battery mass from the engine bay, to the cabin floor. Also various tweaks to the weight distribution around the car to get the desired improvementsThanks for clearing that up, though 1-1.5% is not really significant, is it? Lowering the CoG should have a much more pronounced impact on handling than a weight distribution change from 60:40 to 59:41. I mean, that's much less of a change than you see between a full and empty fuel tank :)

UFR dash so cheap...........

XFR very very good but UFR....O my god.....
Scawen has already explained that, thank you.

[Mischa NED]

Y30 didnt work perfect for me. After loading track: http://www.pes.pri.ee/k2bi/broken_lfs.JPG

Couldnt join servers too. Few times LFS crashed during that. Going to reinstall everything. :S

Scawen - Is this a known problem? Maybe even solved? I had the same, but.. in Y24!

I have 2 installations in 2 different directories, a Y version and a Y24 version. I drove S2 content yesterday evening on the Y version.

This morning I tried to drive a S2 car on Y24, but after selecting a S2 car I got an empty screen. Only the "Cars" and "back" or "ready" button were visible. I expected the pit screen. After pressing enter to join the race (from that empty screen) I received the message "Could not load Mischa's car".

I tried the same with Demo cars and I was surprised to see them work, so.. even with my "unlocked" license, I decided to unlock it again.. to see if it unlocks the content then. But it didn't solve the problem.

In the first place I didn't want to update to Y30 and just wait for Z, but because I couldn't drive S2 content I updated to Y30 and... there I don't have this problem.

I've got no idea if this is Y30 related, but if you want I can perform some more tests.

UPDATE - If you want me to do some more tests I might need some more unlock options, cause I'm out of unlocks and have to wait till friday :) When you release patch Z you add some unlocks again too? I hope so :D

[Streets Ghost]

As you can see the texture of rear lights is too near the front grill Look photo

http://images28.fotosik.pl/238/bb37fa1c47df9a5a.jpg


:razz:

[KiRmelius]

Thank you!

I like it. Just the new steering wheel is too boring, it misses some kind of logo in the middle... I like the new XFR... That new seat, rollcage, fire extinguisher.... Nice :thumb:

Now we need "opening" big lights in XR :)

[NitroNitrous]

XRT wheel IS :schwitz: NOT GOOD;/ look like from TIR, but XRR is look pretty GOOD.
PLSS cage to XRT xD and all interior from XRR to XRT xD hehe

Man, the XRT is a standard road car :shrug:
Don´t intend to convert road cars into GTRs, that´s the reason XRR/FZR and FXR exist :nod: