Flaming NFS

[tisy0]

Before anybody starts flaming me or anything i'd just like to tell everybody my opinion :)

On most "Tuning" Threads every1 says Go play NFS you ricer!

I like every1 of the NFS series and i'm no Ricer/Chav/Anything like that.. I'm a plain simple cruiser... For instance look at the latest NFS.. Track racing..

I'm just fed up of everybody saying "Go back to NFS"..
Whats wrong with a little tuning here and there?
If people have payed for LFS shouldnt they do what they want? Rice up their game... Its not your problem is it?

I like a little tuning like adding a Slightly bigger spoiler to a car and giving it a new set of rims... maybe some neon for a better effect or some screenshots..
LFS has great physics and.. Simply NFS doesnt.. so people play LFS and expect a little NFS to go with it..

Dont flame me for posting something like this just.. I'm a little fed up :/

Thanks,
Tisy0:thumb:

[Gabkicks]

you shouldn't let the intertubes get you so emotional, or you won't survive very long.

[tisy0]

Emotional? o.O

It's just most threads you go on theres always some1 sayin "GO BACK TO NFS!"

It really bugs me :S

[obsolum]

so people play LFS and expect a little NFS to go with it..
But that's just it. People shouldn't expect those things to go with LFS. To be honest, I even find that a bit arrogant. LFS indeed has great physics. And NFS indeed does not. So if you want great physics and great racing, you play LFS. If you want tuning and lots of bling bling, you play NFS. LFS will never - yes, never - have options to rice up your car. Ever. That's simply not what the devs have in mind for LFS. Accept that.

So yeah, when someone comes here and starts a thread suggesting that LFS should include features that allow people to tune their car for the zillionth time, the answer is usually along the lines of what you said. Seriously, what do you expect?

So now that you know that LFS will never have those things, you could try going onto the EA forums and start threads asking to implement a decent tyre model and a more realistic physics engine :D

[MijnWraak]

But that's just it. People shouldn't expect those things to go with LFS. To be honest, I even find that a bit arrogant. LFS indeed has great physics. And NFS indeed does not. So if you want great physics and great racing, you play LFS. If you want tuning and lots of bling bling, you play NFS. LFS will never - yes, never - have options to rice up your car. Ever. That's simply not what the devs have in mind for LFS. Accept that.

So yeah, when someone comes here and starts a thread suggesting that LFS should include features that allow people to tune their car for the zillionth time, the answer is usually along the lines of what you said. Seriously, what do you expect?

So now that you know that LFS will never have those things, you could try going onto the EA forums and start threads asking to implement a decent tyre model and a more realistic physics engine :D
Never say never.

[obsolum]

Hmm, are you dutch living in the US? Just wondering, looking at your nickname... :)

Yeah I knew someone was gonna say something like that. Indeed, you never know but right now it doesn't seem very probable that the devs would go in that direction.

[Paranoid Android]

EVER...I expect to race the Ariel Atom on the Nordschleife before I see the first glint of neon on Lfs!

[Zyrez]

EVER...I expect to race the Ariel Atom on the Nordschleife before I see the first glint of neon on Lfs!


Haha, amen! :thumb:

[Zipppy]

Haha, amen! :thumb:
Amen X2!

[Zen321]

Haha, amen! :thumb:

Amen X3 :thumb:

[flymike91]

If people are telling you to go back to NFS you it is a sign that the majority of the LFS population doesn't want a tuning option. Why should LFS cater to a small minority (you) when even the majority is having a hard time getting what they want?

[Knight_Atack]

I'm not against a little tuning, and would think it unrealistic to see none of it in the future. Having a few variations of the cars on the track would be good, show diversity, and could adapt differently to each drivers. Having an extra winglet here or there to improve stability for someone, yet some other person don't need it. There's a lot that can be done for racing with tuning, than simple bling. On the XFG or UF1, okay, thats bling, but for example a GTR or SS. Do any of the real F1s look the same (except same team) on the track? No. But overtuning and stuff is definately over the top and I hope to see none, especially those neons.

In short: Tuning for rice = no. Tuning for performance/driveability (yet keeping cars balanced in it's class) = yea, I guess.

[Forbin]

Knight_Atack: We already have tuning. More specifically, we have brake, suspension, steering, gearbox, differential, and (on some cars) aero tuning. That's a lot of tuning. Tuning.

[Knight_Atack]

I know that, but I was thinking of changes that actually show/visible, or have a more significant difference to the car handling/performance, for example adding an extra wing/winglet for support, wider brake air intake (for brake demanding circuits), etc. Just ideas though, I don't have much of a problem with LFS as it is now. And simpler to skin :P .

:)

[Calvinaquino]

I think i understood Knght_Atack and i agree with him.
LFS will never become a NFS (that i can be sure of, dont come with that never say never stuff) BUT you know, visual modifications that are small and affect performance in a positive way (like a wing to trade of speed for stability) that i agree.

[Forbin]

I know that, but I was thinking of changes that actually show/visible, or have a more significant difference to the car handling/performance, for example adding an extra wing/winglet for support, wider brake air intake (for brake demanding circuits), etc. Just ideas though, I don't have much of a problem with LFS as it is now. And simpler to skin :P .

:)
Set front springs to 200 N/mm, rear springs to 20 N/mm. Now set the front springs to 20 N/mm and the rear springs to 200 N/mm. Compare the handling. How do you expect to get a more significant difference than that?

[flymike91]

And simpler to skin :P .
:)
There's another point. Visible tuning would completely change the way skinning works. Indeed it would probably make it impossible unless there was an in-game skinning/visual upgrade garage like :0 NFS. How else would we skin all these different wings and bodykits? We would no longer have the nice photoshop skins like we do now, in fact I don't think we would have skins at all. If we did, they would all be made with all the same vinyls, numbers, etc. (which the devs would have to waste time making) Skinning is one of the most enjoyable parts of LFS, I would hate to see it go because someone wants a stupid little wing on their car.

[RMachucaA]

Go back to NFS with your neons and stuff :thumb:

[Zyrez]

Set front springs to 200 N/mm, rear springs to 20 N/mm. Now set the front springs to 20 N/mm and the rear springs to 200 N/mm. Compare the handling. How do you expect to get a more significant difference than that?

I think what he meant was that fiddling with the suspension, tires and brakes is fine tuning to get those last hundred milliseconds round the track. Forexample with the tires, like in real life, adding abit of caster wont necessarily change the whole car and its handling in a way you can feel it, but added up with all the others changes you will for some tracks get a better handling car than others.

But if you add a new exhaust, cams and stuff and suddenly have 20 more hp, or some bigger brakes instead of just adding pressure then you wouldt have significant better performance you should be a tool to miss or "not feel" :)

And another thing.. tuning is what we do to the suspension, tires, and if it was possible to the engine (airflow, valvetiming etc.). Upgrades is what knight attack is talking about, where you add bigger and/or better parts. Seems like your talking pass each other because you use same word for different things.

[G!NhO]

there is one thing i don't get............................why the hell does someone put NeonZ under his ******* car ? :really:

[xaotik]

there is one thing i don't get............................why the hell does someone put NeonZ under his ******* car ? :really:

D'uh - because it's cheaper than a good metal detector and makes more sense since coins, jewellery and such are usually on the surface of the tarmac unlike say at beaches, etc.

[Dajmin]

Didn't you know? Each neon stripe adds 1hp per cm.

More parts wouldn't affect the skinning at all though. Look at the files for the XRG, XRT and XRR. Each one has different parts and they all fit on the same skin. It might need the whole thing rearranged though, which would mess up current skins, but there's still a lot of clear space in the bottom right of skin files that could be used up.

I'm not going to put my C&P in here. For now. You got lucky.

[Crashgate3]

But if you add a new exhaust, cams and stuff and suddenly have 20 more hp, or some bigger brakes instead of just adding pressure then you wouldt have significant better performance you should be a tool to miss or "not feel" :)

If you have something that adds 20bhp to a car, then why would anyone *not* use it? You'd just get everyone using the best mods all the time which would defeat the point of having the option, you may as well just have different cars.

I've got an idea - why don't have the option to add a wider bodykit, rear wing and turbo to the XRG? Oh wait, we already do, it's called the XRT. You don't get people choosing to race the XRG when everyone else is in XRTs do you?

[Zyrez]

I didnt say thats what i wanted. I said what i thought night atack meant.

I dont wanna add things, (thats the NFS part). I wanna tune the engine to different peak power, revlimits, hp/torque grahp and so on, so like with the suspension you can tune it for different tracks and have a advantage.

[Dajmin]

How do you suggest we change all of that without using aftermarket parts?

A stock car is a stock car because it's stock. An upgraded car is an upgraded car because it has non-stock parts designed to improve performance. You can't just decide that one day your pistons are stronger or your exhaust system is more efficient.

[Trekkerfahrer]

Before anybody starts flaming me or anything i'd just like to tell everybody my opinion :)

On most "Tuning" Threads every1 says

I like every1 of the NFS series and i'm no Ricer/Chav/Anything like that.. I'm a plain simple cruiser... For instance look at the latest NFS.. Track racing..

I'm just fed up of everybody saying "Go back to NFS"..
Whats wrong with a little tuning here and there?
If people have payed for LFS shouldnt they do what they want? Rice up their game... Its not your problem is it?

I like a little tuning like adding a Slightly bigger spoiler to a car and giving it a new set of rims... maybe some neon for a better effect or some screenshots..
LFS has great physics and.. Simply NFS doesnt.. so people play LFS and expect a little NFS to go with it..

Dont flame me for posting something like this just.. I'm a little fed up :/

Thanks,
Tisy0:thumb:

hi,

you should know that tuning would go in one way:
ALL RACER HAVE TO USE TUNING PARTS IF THEY WANT TO BE COMPETABLE!
just imagine: you have an xfg, go on ctra... several years we fought with our untuned fwd cars like hell to get good times... now tuning would come into the game... you will have to use max tuning and you will have to acclimate to a fully new car...

now you know why noone wants tuning here? and this is only one argument against tuning.

but there is a possibility to have tuned cars: best example is the xrg. you want an upgrade? better engine? bodykit? USE THE XRT... now you want an upgrade with brutal turbo, sportive look, spoilers? USE THE XRR ^^

you see that in some cases are pre tuned cars ;)

the next thing you should know: the actual average age is 26,28 years (look at LFSW in the LFS racers database)... we are too old for this sh** ^^

[G!NhO]

Don't deny it You're a RICER

[BlakjeKaas]

Go play NFS.

Seriously, read the existing threads before making an exact replica, please!

[tisy0]

Go play NFS.

Seriously, read the existing threads before making an exact replica, please!

Its people like you..
Did I say I wanna make LFS.. NFS?
No I didn't..

All I'm saying is if people... Usually Noobs ask for "Bodykits" etc... Why the hell do most people say: Go back to NFS..
All their asking for is a bodykit damnit..
Fair enough you cant really make bodykits but why doesn't everybody just say :: There are no bodykits on this game..

Who ever tells me to go back to NFS is a fool in my opinion..

And you G!nho... Which part of my posts says that i'm a Ricer?
You don't know me so dont judge me..

Also Gran Turismo... You can't add spoilers on that... Oh yeah.. YOU Can
does GT's adding of spoilers make ur car super quick? No :/

Also I did not say stuff like
Air Filters
Induction Kits
ECU Remapping
Performance things like that... I said suttle spoilers..

[samforey12345]

The reason people get annoyed with NFS users and CRUISERS DRIFTERS, etc is because they make silly threads like this...

[tisy0]

I don't drift... I cruise.. Yeah....
But don't say I made this thread because I'm a drifter/cruiser etc.. Or w/e
because I made this cuz im fed up.. Read my first post instead of trying to boost your post count.

[ChiShiFu]

Its people like you..
All I'm saying is if people... Usually Noobs ask for "Bodykits" etc... Why the hell do most people say: Go back to NFS..
All their asking for is a bodykit damnit..
Fair enough you cant really make bodykits but why doesn't everybody just say :: There are no bodykits on this game..


They say that because the NFS series has based it's marketing strategy upon being able to "personalize" your car. Since that usually involves some severe ricing with ridiculous body kits and spoilers, it's very logical that sort of request in LFS immediately brings NFS to mind. When NFS comes to mind, crap physics and punk kids who have no idea how to drive come to mind. Thus, the annoyance/flaming appears. Furthermore, due to the nature of LFS, i doubt this attitude towards "tuning" will ever change, which isn't a bad thing :D

[tisy0]

I, don't think it will change either,
But there needs to be a 'Cut Down' on the "Ricer" attitude.

[JO53PHS]

Tuning will be absoloutely pointless, because soon enough, people will find the fastest way to tune it and then everyone will do it that way :shrug:



I'm not going to put my C&P in here. For now. You got lucky.


This one? :D

So how about you just drive the cars you have and I dunno, bang a metal trash can lid with your face to simulate the noise of a pointless "masseev zorst!!1111"

[Stefani24]

The prob is that the users asking for bodykits, tuning parts etc. are too dumb to use the SEARCH function. tuning parts have been requested thousands of times, and the devs wont implent that, so FORGET IT and STOP REQESTING SUCH THINGS.

[Bose321]

The prob is that the users asking for bodykits, tuning parts etc. are too dumb to use the SEARCH function. tuning parts have been requested thousands of times, and the devs wont implent that, so FORGET IT and STOP REQESTING SUCH THINGS.

i fully agree, we shouldn't forgot this is a sim, no cruise/tune 'game' or whatsoever:shrug:

[Jakg]

The prob is that the users asking for bodykits, tuning parts etc. are too dumb to use the SEARCH function. tuning parts have been requested thousands of times, and the devs wont implent that, so FORGET IT and STOP REQESTING SUCH THINGS.O' great fountain of Knowledge - show me the statement from the devs saying they will never add those features...?

(Hint - don't be such an ass unless your 110% sure in argument)

[flymike91]

Whether or not it will be implemented is up for grabs, but I doubt it will ever happen. LFS is closer to flight simulator X than any console racing game. You don't see the Flight Simulator forums full of requests for faster cessnas and visual upgrades on their lear jets.

[Danke]

Oh, but there are tuner options in LFS. Paint the nose of any skin black - Viola! Instant Le Bra!

[Calvinaquino]

Dont get me wrong. i would hate LFS becoming another nfs. but you know...
damn... WHATEVER IM GONNA PLAY LFS.

[breadfan]

They say "go back to NFS" because NFS is the symbol of car-tuning (as in neons, NO2, audio etc.). If somebody would have asked for RPG elements, they'd tell you to "go back to WoW". That's all. The whole thing is about gaming stereotypes.
And why people don't rather say "unfortunately, there is no such option in LFS" instead? Because it's easier to be an asshole on the internet. They wouldn't tell you the same thing eye-to-eye, because they would be affraid of getting their buttcheeks kicked. And it's also a means of ventilating their frustration with people, who cannot use the search button and ask for the same thing over and over.

And one last thing: everybody should learn to use words like "never, always, everybody, nobody" more wisely and with caution, as those are very strong words.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to have some cop chases in my Murcielago. Gotta try my new exhaust pipe extension.

[Crashgate3]

Just use a red skin. Instant +50bhp.

Red ones go faster, didn't you know :D

[March Hare]

Now nobody flame me!

I'm just posting here because I'm fed up with all these rice-tuning threads!

Or something like that.

[CardinalStorm]

I'm surprised the OP even bothered with this; if he appreciated LFS for what it is - a top-notch sim racer - then he would know the ONLY similarity between LFS and NFS are the words 'for' and 'speed'.

I don't know anyone over the age of twenty-five who enjoys "blinging" their car up. From my experience, once people grow up the vast majority find plastic add-ons, mad paintwork, vinyls and neon lights bloody ridiculous.

I'm quite certain that all the people I race with in my team are over twenty-five, the average age is probably nearer thirty-five, possibly more. We enjoy racing as adults do. NFS, although fun for a couple of hours, is ultimately a kids game where "doing your car up" completely outweighs the actual driving side of the game, which incidentally is a joke.

Just my opinion....nothing more.

[mcintyrej]

We say it because people see "Live for speed" and go oh wow that sounds like a cool version of NFS! Then they get there and realise its probably the best racing simulator to date with no neons on sight so they all whine.

Making a topic about it will just refresh everyone's memory's of it. Shouldn't have made it in the first place if you wanted people to stop talking about them.

[Kristjan.J]

Let's say, you don't like XRG/XRT, take XRR, it's tuned!
Or FZ5, take FZR, it's tuned! Rear wing looking like in NFS, high and cool, same with FXO and FXR...

[HVS5b]

I like a little tuning like adding a Slightly bigger spoiler to a car and giving it a new set of rims... maybe some neon for a better effect or some screenshots..



lolololololololololololololololololol

You don't see much trolling on thesew forums, but this sure sounds like one :tilt:

Oh, and btw, how the f*ck does adding new rims to a car count as tuning?

:really: :x :bananadea:fap:

I know you said no flaming, but, really................

[beefyman666]

I was expecting to see a copy of NFS on fire. Damn. :(

[TG44]

You want an online game that has good physics and you can tune a car?

Go play Project Torque, free to download, free to play....


....you'll love it :D

[gezmoor]

I, don't think it will change either,
But there needs to be a 'Cut Down' on the "Ricer" attitude.


Why? LFS is a race simulator .. hence the use of the term "speed" in the game name. It's intended to replicate driving cars fast. Ricing is purely a visual thing. Nothing to do with performance in any way, so why should a performance biased audience not have a negative attitude towards things that are irrelevant to performance. Coming here and asking for visual mods capability in a game which is modelled 100% to replicate performance issues is like going on a forum for the game "guitar hero's" and asking for a mod to be able to play a recorder in the game. :shrug:

[Migz]

Its because most people are faggots and follow the crowd by saying all visual tuning = rice. and that anybody who likes this in the slightest = ricer boy lol.

Now i like both lfs and nfs.

Lfs because it PAWNS and is 733T , well that and the physics rule and its as close as im ever going to get to driving a real car for now.

But then i like nfs because it allows for you to personalize your car, it makes me feel like its more unique and my own sorta thing.
Plus where else can you hit a button and go ZOOOM straight to 50000000 million mph and take out another car :P

But honestly i think sometime in the future Ea games are going to rethink nfs and make it with realistic physics, perhaps even physics to equal or surpass lfs (doubt it though) But then nfs will have both physics and tuning. Meaning it will be bringing in a huge ammount of people who are looking for each one.

Then because of that and the fact nfs is more commonly known lfs may begin to start losing sales.

Btw alot of you think that there are very little ammount of people who like visual tuning and that because of this they PHAIL.
But thats not true, they're are ALOT of people in the world who want tuning, half of them would be ricey boys, but the other half just want to make theyre car lighter or faster. So no neons, or 50" rims or a spoiler that makes the car look like a shopping trolley. Just some small noticable modifications that makes the car better, while also looking kinda nice.


Edit: before people say that you can skin your car, so thats a way to make your care more personal.
what if you cant skin? And dont want to use one thats been made before?

[Forbin]

^^^^
Age: 14.

'Nuff said. As mentioned by others, ricing is (generally) an age thing that most outgrow by the time they hit their early to mid 20's.

There are much better (and less visually agonizing) ways of being different.

Cheap cars are cheap because they're cheap. If you want a fast car, you don't buy a cheap car.

[lococost]

I'm more than twice that age, so...
I wonder how many of you actually tried that latest NFS version, the one with the legal racing?? It does have basic physics, but its very much let down by being developed for being driven with keyboard. In that respect it is not a simulator, but for being a keyboard game it's as good as they get. You need racing, not ricing to win, you can't take bends at a gazillion mph, you won't win by randomly crashing into everything.

But in general the LFS forum users are a flock of sheep, have one posting geek say that NFS sucks and the rest is sure to follow, so tisy, if you have an opinion that differs from the hurd, best thing is to keep it to yourself or prepare to get flamed.

[Forbin]

Being like-minded does not make a group of people sheep. Who are you to say a thousand people don't have very specific reasons for the way they feel regarding things such as this, even if they all come to the same conclusion?

[lococost]

The fact that most probably havent even tried the latest version of NFS yet.

[Forbin]

With good reason. The physics are terrible, even compared to an ISI game.

[ChiShiFu]

Its because most people are faggots and follow the crowd by saying all visual tuning = rice. and that anybody who likes this in the slightest = ricer boy lol.

Now i like both lfs and nfs.

Lfs because it PAWNS and is 733T , well that and the physics rule and its as close as im ever going to get to driving a real car for now.

But then i like nfs because it allows for you to personalize your car, it makes me feel like its more unique and my own sorta thing.
Plus where else can you hit a button and go ZOOOM straight to 50000000 million mph and take out another car :P

But honestly i think sometime in the future Ea games are going to rethink nfs and make it with realistic physics, perhaps even physics to equal or surpass lfs (doubt it though) But then nfs will have both physics and tuning. Meaning it will be bringing in a huge ammount of people who are looking for each one.

Then because of that and the fact nfs is more commonly known lfs may begin to start losing sales.

Btw alot of you think that there are very little ammount of people who like visual tuning and that because of this they PHAIL.
But thats not true, they're are ALOT of people in the world who want tuning, half of them would be ricey boys, but the other half just want to make theyre car lighter or faster. So no neons, or 50" rims or a spoiler that makes the car look like a shopping trolley. Just some small noticable modifications that makes the car better, while also looking kinda nice.


Edit: before people say that you can skin your car, so thats a way to make your care more personal.
what if you cant skin? And dont want to use one thats been made before?

I've never been so disgusted by a post that I've responded, but this brings it over the edge. The diction and phrasing used here is a prime example exactly what why many don't want to associate LFS with a feature that NFS is based on.

[Luke.S]

You want an online game that has good physics and you can tune a car?

Go play Project Torque, free to download, free to play....


....you'll love it :D


That is actually quite a fun game. It does have quite good physics and a good damage model.

[Stefani24]

O' great fountain of Knowledge - show me the statement from the devs saying they will never add those features...?

(Hint - don't be such an ass unless your 110% sure in argument)
Maybe Im an ass(whyever not censored), but this was requested a thousand tiems, and 90% of the comm are against it (maybe 80), and i dont think our great devs will implent think that onyl 10(20)% of the comm like. So :x

[Homeless_Drunk]

With good reason. The physics are terrible, even compared to an ISI game.

Because...its...an...Arcade Game...

It has always been an arcade game...it will always be an arcade game...the casual gamer doesn't really care about physics or super realism..all they want to do is drive their shiny car real fast and cause havoc in a imaginary world...

So why do a bunch of the trolls here loathe NFS so much...I never understood the reasoning behind any of the hate...

If you don't like it, don't play it...if NFS wasn't successful at doing something I don't think it would still be around after ~14 years...it sells, it is super popular and there isn't anything wrong with it...it's just a casual arcade racer that lets you and your ricer friends give your honda civic a neon enema...

It makes perfect sense why people want to have NFS type features in LFS...they are the ones who love racing, love realism but still lack knowledge about a lot of elements of auto racing/performance...I can understand why people want to be able to buy a "stage 2" (just saying 'stage' anything makes me wince, get educated) turbo and slap it on the XRT...because even though I am against it, I can see where and why it would be fun...

[JeffR]

Well NFS has created an impact on LFS, what with the developers sneaking off to spend time customizing their NFS car collection. The worst was back when NFS Underground series were released, and the LFS developers were spending so much time on their cars, trying to find the perfect combination of paint, vinyls, stickers, speakers, hydralics, and neon, trying to duplicate the cars in the Fast and Furious movies.

Fortunately, the lastest NFS, ProStreet, doesn't have all the visual tuning junk, so expect the pace of LFS releases to be much better than it was back in the days of NFS Underground.

[Migz]

^^^^
Age: 14.

'Nuff said.

What the **** dyu think your saying?:really:

I've payed for my lfs copy thank you very ****ing much. I should'nt have my opinion discounted just becuase im 14. Arsehole !!!

And alot of you are saying that there isnt ever many people who like ricing, but urm if there wasnt why do we get so many new topics being made? Surely its not just one person making them over and over.:smileypul

Edit: Sorry about that, but i just got extremely annoyed at the fact you think my opinion shouldnt be heard just because im 14.....
Some of the worlds best point of views come from kids/teenagers so stfu :P lol
And what you said was pretty much discrimination, theres nothing different betwen that and saying " Colour : Black
Nuff said,"
(No offense to any coloured people)
You should be ashamed

Second Edit: I like the fact that when someone brings up a point and somebody else just cant find a way to beat it they always go to their profile and see if they can pick anything out of there to win with.

[AndroidXP]

You know, it would all be better if we learned to simply ignore these inane feature requests, because we all know they will never be included in LFS.

Why I am so sure of that? Because there is a crapload of more important, useful and actually racing-relevant improvements waiting to be implemented. So even if these, for all intents and purposes, ricer wishes were on Scawen's list, they'd be at the very end of it, meaning we're safe for at least another decade. And even then he'd probably not implement them, simply because they stand for the exact opposite of what LFS tries to be: a serious online racing simulator.

[masternick]

What the **** dyu think your saying?:really:

I've payed for my lfs copy thank you very ****ing much. I should'nt have my opinion discounted just becuase im 14. Arsehole !!!

And alot of you are saying that there isnt ever many people who like ricing, but urm if there wasnt why do we get so many new topics being made? Surely its not just one person making them over and over.:smileypul

Edit: Sorry about that, but i just got extremely annoyed at the fact you think my opinion shouldnt be heard just because im 14.....
Some of the worlds best point of views come from kids/teenagers so stfu :P lol
And what you said was pretty much discrimination, theres nothing different betwen that and saying " Colour : Black
Nuff said,"
(No offense to any coloured people)
You should be ashamed

Second Edit: I like the fact that when someone brings up a point and somebody else just cant find a way to beat it they always go to their profile and see if they can pick anything out of there to win with.

some nice posts, really shows that you are 14 and proves what Forbin said is true, nice to open a post with "Its because most people are faggots"

as for stuff like bodykits,rims,ect i dont think we'll see anything like that till ppl can make mods for the game

[Migz]

But im sure in real life they would slightly modify the look of their car to go faster? Therefore surely lfs would implement some of this?

And well i didnt post a post like.

NFS SUCKZOR AND LFS RULE


Or vice versa like most of the adults would do.....

I simply said most people are faggots, and thats because they just follow the crowd. Like lil sheep. Bahh bahh. If someone says something they dont bother to think of it fully them selves and just follow that person.

You are a bahh bahh :)

Surely you would be annoyed if someone was to say "You like drifting. Nuff said"
?

[AndroidXP]

But im sure in real life they would slightly modify the look of their car to go faster? No, they don't?
Depending on the regulations, they do modify the body shape to allow for better airflow (less drag or more downforce / less lift), but this has nothing to do with how the car looks. Commercial body kits do in most cases nothing for the performance and only affect the looks (and in most cases in a bad way).

I simply said most people are faggots, and thats because they just follow the crowd. Like lil sheep. Bahh bahh. If someone says something they dont bother to think of it fully them selves and just follow that person.

You are a bahh bahhThis did not improve the way you are perceived at all. In your case I'd change the subject or stop posting till some grass grows over this, but if your goal is to look like an ass and fulfil the teenager stereotype then please continue.

[masternick]

But im sure in real life they would slightly modify the look of their car to go faster? Therefore surely lfs would implement some of this?

another reason your opinion doesnt count

I simply said most people are faggots, and thats because they just follow the crowd. Like lil sheep. Bahh bahh. If someone says something they dont bother to think of it fully them selves and just follow that person.


because ricing up your car like everybody else isnt following the crowd?

[Migz]

No, they don't?
Depending on the regulations, they do modify the body shape to allow for better airflow (less drag or more downforce / less lift), but this has nothing to do with how the car looks. Commercial body kits do in most cases nothing for the performance and only affect the looks (and in most cases in a bad way).

This did not improve the way you are perceived at all. In your case I'd change the subject or stop posting till some grass grows over this, but if your goal is to look like an ass and fulfil the teenager stereotype then please continue.

Thats what i meant? Modifying body shape/changing the look of the car to make it go faster?

And if i was a stereotypical teenager i wouldnt have even said sorry, id think i was right in everything. Which i really dont. And instead of bothering to explain myself id just go
"URMMM NOO LARK DO1!"
which i didnt lol.
Well thats if its a chavvy stereotype.



because ricing up your car like everybody else isnt following the crowd?
Ricing up your car is to improve only the looks..... Like AndroidXp said that
"Commercial body kits do in most cases nothing for the performance and only affect the looks"
This would be rice. But if the body kit or the modification was to also improve performance that wouldnt be rice.

But what i was saying was to improve the performance aswell as the shape or look of the car.

If we had the choice betwen having it but with no performance change or not having it, id prefer not having it. Because THATS rice.

[JJ72]

But im sure in real life they would slightly modify the look of their car to go faster?

haha, essense of RICE. :D

[flymike91]

Thats what i meant? Modifying body shape/changing the look of the car to make it go faster?

Ricing up your car is to improve only the looks..... Like AndroidXp said that
"Commercial body kits do in most cases nothing for the performance and only affect the looks"
This would be rice. But if the body kit or the modification was to also improve performance that wouldnt be rice.

But what i was saying was to improve the performance aswell as the shape or look of the car.
LFS already has these things you lucky devil you! Take the XRR: it is a XRT with improved performance and a body style that helps it perform even better. According to what you just said, that exactly what you're asking for. Woah even the lowly XFG has its higher performance counterpart: the XFR. It has a non-rice ground effect kit to make it faster! You seem to get everything you ask for, don't get too spoiled now...:really:

[Migz]

LFS already has these things you lucky devil you! Take the XRR: it is a XRT with improved performance and a body style that helps it perform even better. According to what you just said, that exactly what you're asking for. Woah even the lowly XFG has its higher performance counterpart: the XFR. It has a non-rice ground effect kit to make it faster! You seem to get everything you ask for, don't get too spoiled now...:really:

Awww :( But i wanna be spoilt lol.

Well yeah i get it. But i just wanted to get my point accross that it'd be nice for each person to be able to slightly customize their car. Because not everyone can create good setups or even good skins.


haha, essense of RICE. :D
*slaps you*

No im talking about proper things, not things like little dice to go on your rear view mirror, that somehow makes the car go faster.

I just mean like perhaps have something like what they had in nfs carbon, where you could customize the shape of the bumpers. i've forgotten what its called, but you could drag little slider things and it would change the shape of the bumpers. Make them longer or wider, or deeper ect. And what you changed acctually made a difference to the aero dynamics

But pah lol, im satisfied with the cars we have now :) just thought id get my idea accross and hopefully not have been beaten up by everyone lol.

Although yeah there is a bit of essence of rice in me lol. I have a ricer brother and some of it rubs off on me, but theres a point where i just say NO lol. Like how he's lowered his car so low to the ground it cant get over speedbumps anymore XD *chuckles*

[JJ72]

and tell me my friend, how exactly do you know the way you are dragging the bumper is benefitting the aerodynamics. :)

In all the people I know who are into cars (and that's quite a lot), I only know ONE people who actually did some scientific testing on the aero performance of his bodykit, the rest, even though most are pretty good drivers and definitely not ricers, do it for the looks.

I mean tuning for real in LFS would require a basic CFD programme let alone having the aero model complex enough in the game itself to make a logical gameplay element, people would have to get a diploma to play it as well.

if you dumb it down to a level of fixed downforce/drag ratio with complete disregard of the shape itself, you are either facing the situation where people go for what they think looks good (which defeats the point of functional tuning) or people forced to use kits that they don't like or else they won't be competitive.

and so far in all racing sims, we have yet get to the point where we have basic packaging and physical allowences and tires still goes through fenders. realistic aero tuning in games is next next next gen kind of stuff. (and maybe irrelevant to gaming all together)

[CardinalStorm]

Heh, some funny posts here, mostly the infantile ones being the funniest. Rather than have an ongoing debate between, what looks to be, adults and kids, why don't we all just stick to two basic premises...

1. If nitro-assisted acceleration, cornering akin to a monorail and the needlessness for brakes interest you and you feel the need to light up the road beneath you with a fancy pink bulb and stick half of Halfords on your car then may I suggest something like Need for Speed.

2. If realistic physics, near as damn-it feedback and a superb tyre model sound interesting and the thought of adding pieces of chicken wire, MDF and discarded ice cream tubs to your bodywork make you cringe, then may I suggest something like Live for Speed.

Oh and to those who believe they're being flamed by us sheep, just remember: these are LFS forums, the vast majority of people here are no doubt more interested in LFS, not NFS. So no, sheep we are not, LFS fans we are.

Ta

[March Hare]

it'd be nice for each person to be able to slightly customize their car. Because not everyone can create good setups or even good skins.
And you think these people who can't make setups or even skins are great at tuning a race car :really:

[Migz]

And you think these people who can't make setups or even skins are great at tuning a race car :really:
Could be. People are good at their own unique things lol.

But pah forget my idea lol.

Lfs pawns how it is, i just hope nfs makes a realistic driving sim XD

[webdigga]

What the **** dyu think your saying?:really:

Edit: Sorry about that, but i just got extremely annoyed at the fact you think my opinion shouldnt be heard just because im 14.....
Some of the worlds best point of views come from kids/teenagers so stfu :P lol
And what you said was pretty much discrimination, theres nothing different betwen that and saying " Colour : Black
Nuff said,"
(No offense to any coloured people)
You should be ashamed

Coloured people?????? This is 2008 dude, not the 1970's!?!?!?!!

[andyb1982]

All this talk of playstation 'sims' annoy me. Since films like fast and furious and magazines like max power, every Fred Perry jumper wearing mongrel out there thinks a bodykit, NOS and handbrake turns are the requirements of driving fast.

While Gran Turismo was at it's peak, my playstation was collecting dust because I spent all of my time on Geof Crammonds GP series. I like simulation, not playing games where you tune the car up so much you end up with the millenium falcon!!!

I wouldn't even bother going to the makers of NFS, or thier forums whinging about the features.

If you want to 'pimp' up your car, try your hand at skinning. As mentioned in earlier posts, what's the point of tuning a car when everyone else is doing the same? It's not going to make the racing any closer. The drivers with the most skill who find optimal setups win on this game, and thats the way it should be! (I'm not one of those guys yet!!!)

[JeffR]

The drivers with the most skill who find optimal setups win on this game.I thought it was the drivers who use a mouse that win on this game (look at the mouse thread).

[Dac]

i hate it when peole ask which games i play and i say 'live for speed' and they think ive said 'need for speed' grrrrr.... LFS just isnt in the maintstream. it would be a good idea i think to start selling it in shops. as its aimed at being the most realistic racing sim im sure alot of people would pay the measily £30 for it.

[Dalek0220]

Lets get this straight.

NFS sucks. It has shit physics and is all about "T3h bl1ng!!!" and "B0dykitz" and "W00tzors N1tro".

Compare with LFS:
Best online gameplay, fictional cars with only 4 real cars, tyre physics made to perfection, and the list goes on.

Face it kiddies, NFS is one of the worst games ever made to respresent a "sim".

[Töki (HUN)]

Lets get this straight.

NFS sucks. It has shit physics and is all about "T3h bl1ng!!!" and "B0dykitz" and "W00tzors N1tro".

Compare with LFS:
Best online gameplay, fictional cars with only 4 real cars, tyre physics made to perfection, and the list goes on.

Face it kiddies, NFS is one of the worst games ever made to respresent a "sim".

Agreed. Even a baby could drive NFS...but not LFS!

[CardinalStorm]

...i just hope nfs makes a realistic driving sim XD

EA - the developers/publishers of NFS in case you didn't know - are only interested in making vast quantities of cash. If they can continue making millions each and every year with pathetic, substandard games then they will. EA cater for the masses (i.e. the console kiddies) who generally don't partake in sim racing.

EA, and any other mass production gaming company, will never entertain the idea of a decent niche game, they simply wouldn't make enough money. All they care about is world gaming domination, hence the reason they are still trying to buy out every developer worth buying. Once they have that, the quality of their games will continue to drop, as they have done in recent years.

Forget NFS - or any game from EA - becoming a real sim, it isn't happening, ever. And to be honest, if they tried making a sim racer they would fail miserably.

[tinvek]

while we're at it the new battlefield game has a pretty cool physics engine that allows most things to be damaged / destroyed, do you think we could provide them to put a rally track and cars in it as it would be brilliant if you hit the scenary and damaged walls etc.

[Alex_Tiger]

first of all, a tuning comunity has much more to offer then ricers...i bet more then half of the people who enjoy racing and lfs are tuning fans...

second of all lets not compare or evin talk about nfs and lfs like they have something in common, exept the words racing and cars (and the name partialy) because they simply dont. its perfectly ok to play and enjoy lfs while u play and enjoy nfs...its like enjoy eating a cake but at the same time enjoy eating hotdogs too! there;s simply nothing between them, exept the relation you guys created...

i asked this q myself, why most of the lfs comunity goes up in flames when it hears bout nfs? i mean, whats ur problem? every one has theyr right in enjoying whatever they want, who are you to say whats "cool" or not? who are you to say ur better then those who like nfs simply because u dont and u like lfs? i think its wrong...unless its something personal just live with it, u dont have any right to talk about others and what they do...(from my pov...)

and for the last time, "tuning" doesent mean stupid ricer people! plz dont draw conclusions before u know all the facts and try to be a bit more mature..."if you dont like it, it doesent neceseraly mean its wrong"

most of you already know this but im gonna say it again: tuning your car means upgrading its performance...its not about coolnes or bribing. the side effect of tuning is customizing its look, meaning you create a one of a kind vehicle that you personaly like (others dont have to like it...). tuning is a great thing, givin' the fact that most of us hate to see the exact car we own over and over again on the streets. dont criticize tuning because of ricers...everything has its "bad" side...evin lfs or racing.

thers much more to say but im gonna stop here, i think a decent mentality will get what i'm trying to say.

[zeugnimod]

Face it kiddies, NFS is one of the worst games ever made to respresent a "sim".

Why should NFS represent a "sim"?

NFS is good at what it does/wants to be.
LFS is good at what it does/wants to be.

Why can't you accept that? :shrug:

[Migz]

Coloured people?????? This is 2008 dude, not the 1970's!?!?!?!!

:scratchch I think you'll find some people can take offense at being called black, where'as coloured isnt insulting.

EA - the developers/publishers of NFS in case you didn't know - are only interested in making vast quantities of cash. If they can continue making ....... (everything else you said)quote]
Well tehn, EA sucks :nod:


[quote=Töki (HUN);845329]Agreed. Even a baby could drive NFS...but not LFS!
Thats a lie i think you'll find a baby can.
http://www.lfs.net/s_photo/Im001473_s.jpg
(Scawens baby boy :))
*chuckles at how you got pawnt :D*

[Forbin]

@Alex_Tiger:
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, cheap cars are cheap because they're cheap. If you want a fast car, you don't buy a cheap car. All "tuners" do is slap go-fast parts onto a shitty car. There's not really much engineering behind what they do, since most of it is trial and error. If they aren't using T&E, they're following what someone else did before them. Again, no engineering, just wrenching. Also, that money could have easily gone into a much nicer car to begin with.

[Jakg]

(Scawens baby girl :))
*chuckles at how you got pawnt :D*
Baby BOY - Leo...

*chuckles at how you got pawnt :D*

[Migz]

Baby BOY - Leo...

*chuckles at how you got pawnt :D*
I edited it before you posted :D SO HAH

But its only because when i was looking for that photo i had to go through the topic about his baby girl lol.

[Dillyracer]

@Alex_Tiger:
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, cheap cars are cheap because they're cheap. If you want a fast car, you don't buy a cheap car. All "tuners" do is slap go-fast parts onto a shitty car. There's not really much engineering behind what they do, since most of it is trial and error. If they aren't using T&E, they're following what someone else did before them. Again, no engineering, just wrenching. Also, that money could have easily gone into a much nicer car to begin with.

You miss the point of it all. People who are serious tuners don't care about performance, but about looks. Also, not all cars are shitty cars, last time I checked, Skyline's, Supra's, RX7's and so on are not really cheap.

Also, great generalizing you're doing here. The only thing you are saying is that tuned cars are nothing more but trial and error, there are lots of tuning company's who make show cars.

[Alex_Tiger]

You miss the point of it all. People who are serious tuners don't care about performance, but about looks.

uhm...not really. tuning began from tuning the engine to develope more hp...only after came the look customization...just to be clear. serious tuners are doing both but real tuners make theyr own engines...

and @Forbin

you really didnt get what i was trying to say. its not always about performace to the max, but more of the satisfaction that you actualy changed your engine how you wanted it. i'm sorry but most of us will prefer a rather "normal" car tuned to be much better then the standard one then a pre-tuned original car. again, its not the same thing! stop comparing the 2. every one can have a good car (bought straight from the factory) but not everyone could have a tuned car...you must know what you want and what your doing before u can tune your engine and the performance of your car (susp, breaks, diff's, etc).

but really i cant understand why are you incapable to understand and accept this things while me i get that not everyone wants to tune theyr cars, and rather stick to the original cars...thats not wrong at all, so why should tuning be purposeless or "lame" as you described it? belive me its not a waist to invest money into a cheap car. for example this is my passion, i could never stick my nose in a brand new good car, whilst i could in a cheap crapy car. this is what i like and want to do, its not like im doing it for the world to see...

[Forbin]

You miss the point of it all. People who are serious tuners don't care about performance, but about looks. Also, not all cars are shitty cars, last time I checked, Skyline's, Supra's, RX7's and so on are not really cheap.

Also, great generalizing you're doing here. The only thing you are saying is that tuned cars are nothing more but trial and error, there are lots of tuning company's who make show cars.
In other words, they're no different from ricers? :shrug:

[Dillyracer]

In other words, they're no different from ricers? :shrug:

What is your problem exactly ? Everyone can like what they want, and that has nothing to do with age. I don't like all tuned cars, but I do respect the work put into these cars.

[masternick]

@Alex_Tiger:
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, cheap cars are cheap because they're cheap. If you want a fast car, you don't buy a cheap car. All "tuners" do is slap go-fast parts onto a shitty car. There's not really much engineering behind what they do, since most of it is trial and error. If they aren't using T&E, they're following what someone else did before them. Again, no engineering, just wrenching. Also, that money could have easily gone into a much nicer car to begin with.

there are alot of good cheaps cars and alot of ppl dont want to spend all there money on a newer car when they can spend less buying a older car and making it faster, you'll also find tuners that do new cars to

[Homeless_Drunk]

@Alex_Tiger:
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, cheap cars are cheap because they're cheap. If you want a fast car, you don't buy a cheap car. All "tuners" do is slap go-fast parts onto a shitty car. There's not really much engineering behind what they do, since most of it is trial and error. If they aren't using T&E, they're following what someone else did before them. Again, no engineering, just wrenching. Also, that money could have easily gone into a much nicer car to begin with.

so...by me taking my cheap pick-up and dropping a 450HP LS2 into it...that makes me a ricer? taking something slow and making it fast makes you a ricer? if no one did that we'd all be driving around in briggs and stratton powered golf carts...because, after all, who wants or needs to go fast?

you're logic sucks...anyone who goes out and buys a cheap, 'crappy' foxbody mustang and drops a little money into it is a ricer, even if it runs 11s in the 1/4 mile? your logic says that anyone who does anything to a car unless it is deemed a 'super car' or meets some magical level where it is acceptable to work on is a ricer...

[wheel4hummer]

so...by me taking my cheap pick-up and dropping a 450HP LS2 into it...that makes me a ricer?

Well I don't see why you would buy a cheap pickup and drop an LS2 into it? It would be much more cost effective to get a carb'd crate engine.

[Migz]

Im 15 now so now you cant say being 14 means my opinion isnt counted! :D So now it is counted and i say you should all stop hating nfs :nod: some people like nfs, some people like lfs, some people like both so no need to bash nfs players.

Hokai?

Although :scratchch you can bash ricers.

[beefyman666]

You're still a kid. Stop crying over NFS.

[Migz]

You're still a kid. Stop crying over NFS.
:o im a maturing young man lol.
Im not crying over nfs i just dont think everyone should always flame it and thing its crappy. People have their own preferences.

It just gets on my nerves people always flame anything such as drifting,cruising or need for speed just to name a few.

[obsolum]

Man, is this thread still going? :really:

http://www.easysmileys.com/img/dancinglock.gif

[RMachucaA]

:o im a maturing young man lol.
Im not crying over nfs i just dont think everyone should always flame it and thing its crappy. People have their own preferences.

It just gets on my nerves people always flame anything such as drifting,cruising or need for speed just to name a few.

Puberty, gotta love it.

[Migz]

:really:.....
:nod::nod:

[Alex_Tiger]

Man, is this thread still going? :really:

http://www.easysmileys.com/img/dancinglock.gif

well, that proves a point doesen't it?

[dougie-lampkin]

Please stop...you're giving those of us young 'uns with any sense a bad name :(

NFS is an arcade racer. It is excellent at that. Fantastic, pick-up-and-play gaming.

LFS is a serious sim (*insert serious cat picture here*). It is superb at that. Realistic, online racing at it's finest.

However, calling NFS a bad sim, is the same as saying LFS sucks as an arcade game...

Maybe 10% of the community is into serious hardcore gaming. The rest (while not being immature/ricers/etc.) I'm sure do play other, maybe less sim-ish racing games. I play NFS, I like it for what it is (Hell no would I pay for it though :razz:). It allows me to cutomise my car in a way that doing so in real life would make me look like a tool going down O'Connell street. Much the same as LFS allows me to push a car right up to the limits, that doing so in real life would probably get me killed/seriously maimed.

There really is no point arguing over it, the devs aren't going to bring in a "no-NFS" policy, where talk of EA games, or indeed having a copy of NFS on your PC, means that your license is revoked. This is the 21st century, you can't stereotype someone as a ricer because they play a different game than you.

(BTW, in NFS I have a completely stock Porsche Carrera. Because yes, it is faster than a 106 with neon :shrug:)

</rantthatidontknowwhyistarted>

[teedot]

wow... neons... spoilers... seriously... GO BACK TO NFS!

[ChiShiFu]

What the **** dyu think your saying?:really:

I've payed for my lfs copy thank you very ****ing much. I should'nt have my opinion discounted just becuase im 14. Arsehole !!!

And alot of you are saying that there isnt ever many people who like ricing, but urm if there wasnt why do we get so many new topics being made? Surely its not just one person making them over and over.:smileypul

Edit: Sorry about that, but i just got extremely annoyed at the fact you think my opinion shouldnt be heard just because im 14.....
Some of the worlds best point of views come from kids/teenagers so stfu :P lol
And what you said was pretty much discrimination, theres nothing different betwen that and saying " Colour : Black
Nuff said,"
(No offense to any coloured people)
You should be ashamed

Second Edit: I like the fact that when someone brings up a point and somebody else just cant find a way to beat it they always go to their profile and see if they can pick anything out of there to win with.

I really hope this isn't indicative of the intelligence level of this next generation... scares me... scares me a lot... :scared:

[shiny_red_cobra]

LOL @ some of the responses in this thread, and in many other similar threads.

It's funny how people around here always say that LFS has such good physics and that's what should be appreciated about it, and so on, but when somebody wants to tune the cars (thus pushing the limits of the physics engine) they get shot down and told to "go play NFS". Stop telling people to play NFS if they want to tune cars, it's only natural to want to push the limits of LFS's physics engine, and I personally love playing around with LFS Tweak whenever I have some free time.

[JeffR]

Here's an example of real world, low cost, customization that not only improved the looks of a Nissan Sentra, it improved it's 1/4 mile performance by over 2 seconds!

http://www.daleholley.com/nissan.htm

Yes, it's an old article, but a few here may not have seen it before.

Also, although LFS may be more realistic, it's apparenty that cute Romanian chicks dig the guys with NFS style tuned up 1.3 liter econoboxes. This site includes some good action videos:

http://www.prostreetromania.ro/prostreet.htm

[March Hare]

Here's an example of real world, low cost, customization that not only improved the looks of a Nissan Sentra, it improved it's 1/4 mile performance by over 2 seconds!

http://www.daleholley.com/nissan.htm

Now that's tuning!

[dougie-lampkin]

Here's an example of real world, low cost, customization that not only improved the looks of a Nissan Sentra, it improved it's 1/4 mile performance by over 2 seconds!

http://www.daleholley.com/nissan.htm

/me holds an angle grinder and looks at the Yaris. Needs must.

[greg_slideways]

Please stop...you're giving those of us young 'uns with any sense a bad name :(

NFS is an arcade racer. It is excellent at that. Fantastic, pick-up-and-play gaming.

LFS is a serious sim (*insert serious cat picture here*). It is superb at that. Realistic, online racing at it's finest.

However, calling NFS a bad sim, is the same as saying LFS sucks as an arcade game...

Maybe 10% of the community is into serious hardcore gaming. The rest (while not being immature/ricers/etc.) I'm sure do play other, maybe less sim-ish racing games. I play NFS, I like it for what it is (Hell no would I pay for it though :razz:). It allows me to cutomise my car in a way that doing so in real life would make me look like a tool going down O'Connell street. Much the same as LFS allows me to push a car right up to the limits, that doing so in real life would probably get me killed/seriously maimed.

There really is no point arguing over it, the devs aren't going to bring in a "no-NFS" policy, where talk of EA games, or indeed having a copy of NFS on your PC, means that your license is revoked. This is the 21st century, you can't stereotype someone as a ricer because they play a different game than you.

(BTW, in NFS I have a completely stock Porsche Carrera. Because yes, it is faster than a 106 with neon :shrug:)

</rantthatidontknowwhyistarted>

Sorry to say but yes, I totally agree. I love when im bored and computer is far away my ps2 is sitting infron of me ill pull out nfs, play for a hour put it down, Then 2 hours later play LFS and love it aswell, Does that make me a ricer? :shrug: I dont think it is the game, i think it is some players that abuse stylings in the game that ruin it. Although i may be wrong, please tell me? :tilt:

[Joris]

As far as I can judge LFS allready provides a platform for ricer-handling.

lower the suspension
make it a lot stiffer without changing the dampers
add extra weight to simulate the amplifiers, subwoofers and extra carbon-look-crap
add intake restriction to simulate garbage can exhaust (and turn up the sound)
set the front anti-roll bar to the max and do not touch the rear one(that one is hardly visible IRL anyway)

[Kstorm43]

Oh my god, so much stupid complaining in this thread. If you don't like NFS, don't play it and don't insult the people that do, chances are you play a game that they might hate. Personally I like NFS, but just because I like to customize my car doesn't make me a "ricer".

I think some sort of customization in LFS would be cool. And I don't mean like adding neons and such, I mean like maybe having the option of spoiler/no spoiler on the XRT or XRG for example, or maybe having a few different wheel choices. Even a slightly different bumper or something, just things that would add little or no performance advantage.


And on the whole calling people a ricer thing, please don't. I know I've already said this but just because someone wants their car to look different, or better (maybe they like it but you don't, deal with it), there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe I should start telling people that don't want customization to "Go back to LFS and stop complaining".

[Richie Cahill]

I like Rice with my curry.

[Joris]

I prefer my rice in a cleveland steamer.