Axis clutch & H Shifters [Archive]

Xenix74

21st June 2008, 23:38

Its only an Idea:

1. Forced Axis CLutch & H-Shifters
2. A new filter on the Hotlap Rangs for people who drive with Clutch & H Shifter.

Its just more Realistic and also much more Fun to shift Manuel
but i loose ever Lap nearly 1-2 secounds so i have big Fun but no real chance to Win or battle the Raceline.
People who drive with Seq or Automatik Clutch are everytime fasters as Racers like me.

So why not have an Option to force Real Realistic Conditions. Full Manuel!
Forced View
Forced Axis Clutch
Forced H-shifters
Forced 270/400/450/540/720 Turning Wheel / Like the Car has
Maybe Forced Force Feedback Strengh

But thats only an Idea if there are Racers like me who wont to Race with People with the same Conditions. :thumb:

Otherwise i must turn back to Seq. & Autoclutch and battle the raceline with Racers on Keyboard, Mouse, Gamepads, Wheels and also the manual Clutch and shifter. They all have different Driving adventages and
disadvantages different Breaking & Shift Points.
Its a little unfair.

Thx

shiny_red_cobra

21st June 2008, 23:45

Stigpt

21st June 2008, 23:47

considering your laptimes, Id reckon youd first learn how to drive at a moderate pace, THEN see who is fast and who isnt.
Manual shiting and H-gate using arent disadvantages - infact, when used right, they are advantages.

Almadiel

22nd June 2008, 02:27

Using a clutch is a pretty clear disadvantage. I can't even move my pedal fast enough to match the shifting speed of auto clutch.

Xenix74

22nd June 2008, 04:18

Look at the Hotlaps @Stigpt the Clutch and H-Shifter Racers loose everywhere its not only me you now. :shrug:

And its a different think to Shift durring a Race there is sometimes no space :schwitz: to Shift like with Seq. or Keys or Mouse.

Also its not only for G25 players there are such H shifter and clutch variants and many people will have a G25 in nearly Times.

It coast first 350 euro now you can buy it for 220 euro, next Year maybe for 150 Euro. Thats the price of a Momo or DFP nearly.
I think much people wouldt change -if its possible- when they see how much more funny is it with clutch and H-shifters.

But if i am the only One i must config the LFS lapper for that, open a server, and look who comes and who not.

Byku

22nd June 2008, 08:16

... You know... indeed option to see what kind of controler with what options on is used by someone is good idea. I always drive with h-shifting mode and manual clutch... i might be slower(well I am :D) but it's fun ^^.

AndroidXP

22nd June 2008, 08:56

Using a clutch is a pretty clear disadvantage. I can't even move my pedal fast enough to match the shifting speed of auto clutch.
Are you driving with a prosthesis?

Gills4life

22nd June 2008, 08:57

I am quicker with full manuel clutch and shifter .. I have more control of the car. Advantages come with the disadvantages. :shrug:

morpha

22nd June 2008, 09:03

Are you driving with a prosthesis?

:D

Same as Gills4life, unless I really mess up my throttle-control, I always out-accelerate auto-clutch/auto transmission users.

[GR]Evolution

22nd June 2008, 09:15

I understand your point of view, however, think of how many people actually have a G25. There are a vast number of people who don't have one, and they greatly outnumber the people who do have one. If the game restricts the controllers, we will lose all the players. We would lose the players who use mouse/keyboard/crappy wheels, but we would also lose G25 users because there will not be many people left to race against. It would destroy the game in my opinion.
Actually, it would be better to have this as an option, not force people to use it. Maybe it would also be useful if there would be a league with shifter-only drivers... Anyways, this is just my opinion.

Xenix74

22nd June 2008, 14:53

Yes that my thinking only an Option ! For people who like.:thumb:

And i cant belive that someone realy faster with full manuel!!!:shrug:

LOOK AT THE HOTLAPS Friends. WHY is then no any Recordholder with Clutch & H Shifters??? :really: WHY ! When it makes faster?!?! Why is there no one ? :really:

Stigpt

22nd June 2008, 15:20

I have.
A quick search showed Fox 2 (6th from top of WR holders) uses H-shifter and manual clutch on some of his hotlaps (FZ5 hotlaps, mainly). He doesnt have the WR; but is 0,12 secs behind it.
Rudy Van Buren has the FOX KY2r WR and uses manual clutch.
And 510N3D has...
TWELVE (12) World Records Using H-shifter and manual clutch.
TWELVE.

You say none, I just found a few in a 5min search.

Xenix74

22nd June 2008, 15:56

:D:D:D
Thease Guy Drive only on Kyoto Oval Rev his "Hotlaps" you now its very borring to drive Hotlaps on a Oval. I mean i have to Shift 6 Times up on these Track :nod: thats all. Thats is a Joke ! For H-Shifter Racing Sorry. Big Good Joke:jester:

Have you seen that this Guy dont use AutoGear and Shifters sometimes:razz:!!!
This mean he shift with a Key or Mouse or Pad (button) not a Shifter.
Maybee little Prog like Joytokey on the wheel button!
Abrakadabra! Cheater!

These Guy maybe good but why he dosent have any Record on other Real Track? Whhhyyyyy :D
You say it self he is the 6 of the World in Hotlaps why he have no other tracks Win on Clutch and H-Shifter

edit : 6 Times perfekt Shift its possible but try to make shift down too in a Lap. Some Tracks need to Shift 30 times pro lap.

Edit: edit::jester: You are too on the Hotlap on Ky Oval Rev with FXO why you lost 1.5 Secound to the Hotlap holder (seq.) Why ? :D

:scratchch"considering your laptimes, Id reckon youd first learn how to drive at a moderate pace

Stigpt

22nd June 2008, 17:55

:D:D:D
Edit: edit::jester: You are too on the Hotlap on Ky Oval Rev with FXO why you lost 1.5 Secound to the Hotlap holder (seq.) Why ? :D

:scratchch"considering your laptimes, Id reckon youd first learn how to drive at a moderate pace

Cause I had gotten my G25 2 days before that, and was trying it out in hotlaps. Plus, I only did some 20 laps... (to get a decent time, you gotta do hundreds of laps - see my UF1 Personal best - only a few hundreds off the WR, and 289 laps driven)

Thommm

22nd June 2008, 18:14

Rudy Van Buren has the FOX KY2r WR and uses manual

The formula XR is sequential :))

Xenix74

22nd June 2008, 18:24

:jester: Wr-diff +0:00.610

Funny again you mean yor Racetime !!! With Slipstream !!!:nod:
Try to make this time without Slipstream and Wind on the Hotlap!!!.

You Compare your Racetimes with the Times of Peoples Hotlaps ??
Are you Serious!

You dont really now anything about Disadvantages i think now, Sorry guy.
Because you are a half secound SLOWER on 1 Lap. Have you raced ever a race like normal 20 or 30 laps ?
That are 40 secound - 1 Minutes slower in a full race! Or make you only 1 lap races ?

Thommm

22nd June 2008, 18:52

I think the WR is a good way to see what my times are doing :)

BTW before you start making fun of someone else's laptimes try and improve your own.. Don't forget to blame the shifter :')

morpha

22nd June 2008, 18:55

I think the WR is a good way to see what my times are doing :)

BTW before you start making fun of someone else's laptimes try and improve your own.. Don't forget to blame the shifter :')

Race laps don't have to run through the validator, you can't really compare hotlaps and racelaps. Just look at the tripple or quad bumper oval times ;)

Thommm

22nd June 2008, 18:59

Oval times don't bother me at all..

Besides that a fast (quali)lap is comparable to a hotlap, every combo I can race fast online I can hotlap fast without beeing raped by the validator..

Xenix74

22nd June 2008, 19:10

Dont make fun with any here i am only telling the true.
And I am not a really talented Driver like Racer i see dayli on LFS.
I now that.

But i will look realistic on my Chance to Win with H Shifter and Clutch.

[GR]Evolution

22nd June 2008, 20:00

Well maybe the reason why some people won't use a shifter for their hotlaps is that it is a lot more difficult to do a decent time with H-pattern than an auto clutch or paddles. By the way, I used to drive and race with my shifter some time ago but the effort i put on it in order to win was a lot more than paddles so instead I only drive and hotlap with paddles... I used to win and enjoy most of my H-pattern races though!

KOB_CHEESE

22nd June 2008, 20:14

But if i am the only One i must config the LFS lapper for that, open a server, and look who comes and who not.

If we build it, they will come. :x:grouphug:

Stefani24

23rd June 2008, 01:39

H-Shifter is just a better feeling, doesnt matter if it makes me slower. i dont care a bout this
better fight for place 4 then drive alone on place 3.

HVS5b

23rd June 2008, 09:21

Re: The OP

I like the idea, but' it's not a neccesity.

A group of friends and I frequent the auto success ballast server each Thursday night, and if there was a option for this set up I think we would use it (most of us do that voluntarily already)

It should be enough to log your hotlap and know for yourself it's the quickest time using a manual set up :nod:

And it doesn't make any difference come the actual racing. With practice it actually becomes an advantage, but you can't drive it like a auto set up. It requires a different approach into the braking areas.

But what do I know, I'm slow as **** :shy:

JJ72

23rd June 2008, 09:33

Who cares if someone is 2 tenths quicker because he is on auto clutch.....that's about the most difference I get myself with paddle and shifter. Don't be a wuss, instead of filtering paddle shift drivers away why not actually learn where they are quicker than you, to simply put the difference in shifting method is somehow naive.

[GR]Evolution

23rd June 2008, 10:43

Obviously, someone with a shifter and manual clutch is slower on braking points and that is because your right foot has to be lifted off completely from the accelerator and press the brake pedal while in auto clutch the brake pedal can be pressed with your left foot while your right foot is still pressing the throttle. That's about one tenth in each braking required corner and let's say the track has five of them so you are already half a second behind. That does not apply when you use auto clutch and h-pattern shifter imo. Anyway, I even find auto clutch as a disadvantage when button clutch comes into play, for example pecholobo's hotlaps. Shifting with a button clutch gives you about two tenths on a straightaway compared to an auto clutch and better stability/control of the car at some corners (the last one is my opinion).

HVS5b

23rd June 2008, 10:56

What, theres a button clutch as well? And this is quicker than autoclutch?

Jeez, sometimes the less I know the better :smileypul

I just can't use the shifter with autoclutch, it feels oh so wrong :shrug:

I'm off to check these WR's with button clutch when I get home. If it truly is as quick as you say, it should be removed imo.

Xenix74

23rd June 2008, 11:39

Its not the Hotlaptime its the Race totaltime that let me thinking about this option. +0.10 in one lap are 2 secounds in 20 Laps.
But you must drive like Hell and without any mistakes during you have two times more to work.
Noramly i lost a half secound and on long tracks 2 secounds.
0.5sec X 20Laps = 10 sec
2 Sec x 20Laps = 40 sec
-without misshifts-
here is a little test of Lfs Lapper cfg. i config.

It works with
Keyboard disable
Mouse disable
Wheel needed
Axis clutch is needed
H-Shifter is needed
Swapside is needed
Custom view possible ( because i think nobody with wheel & clutch & h-shifter play from outside but maybee some people from front of the car or so)

But i have a problem with it !
It works but Lapper control the Settings only when i leave the Pit not durring the Race. Its possible to change the driving mode durring Race :shrug:.

Anybody now how i can calibrate Lfs Lapper that check every 10 secound or every minute the Driving mode ?

Thx

[GR]Evolution

23rd June 2008, 11:39