Test Patch Y24

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST


Hello Racers.

Here is a new compatible Test Patch, Y24.

It contains important fixes for issues found in Y22 and before. Please see the list of changes below for specific Y24 information


INCREASED FRAME RATES :

By using the same Hardware Vertex Shading system as the car body, the subobjects (steering wheel, gearstick, brakes, mudguards, etc) now make better use of your graphics card, saving CPU time and increasing the frame rate on most computers. Those that do not experience much frame rate increase should find it is smoother and more consistent. There are small graphical improvements as a side effect of this change. You should find that the pit-out glitch is reduced as well.


REPLAY CONTROLS :

Multiplayer replays now have the same interface as single player replays.
They loop and the Escape Menu is available while watching.
Also, replay controls have been added. A timeline is visible when you move the mouse.
You can click anywhere on the timeline and the replay will go back or forward to that point.

Some new keys have been added :

1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
2) SPACE to pause / unpause during a replay (same as P)
3) ESCAPE to break out of fast forwarding
4) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)


DEMO LICENSE SYSTEM :

User name and password are now required to go online in DEMO.
DEMO / S1 / S2 all appear in the same List of Hosts.

NOTE to DEMO users :

- You will need to set a GAME password at www.lfs.net to go online
- Log in and click on "account details" to set your GAME password
- You will not see older demo hosts (Y to Y16) in the list of hosts
- You will see new demo hosts and demo compatible S1 / S2 hosts

NOTE to S1 users :

- You will see all S1 and S1 compatible S2 hosts in the list of hosts

NOTE to HOSTS :

- Hosts in S2 mode - no difference, compatible, all S2 users can join
- Hosts in Demo or S1 mode - all S2 users (test patch or official)
and Demo / S1 test patch users will be able to see your host
- Official patch Demo and S1 users will not see your host


OTHER IMPORTANT CHANGES :

- Chinese, Japanese and Korean Translations
- All tracks now use JPG textures for adverts
- Various fixes including a South City hot lapping issue
- Full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are now supported


Changes in TEST PATCH Y24 :

Translations : Included Croatian training lessons + Czech docs
InSim : A LAG bit is now available in the MCI CompCar structure
InSim : MCI packets are now sent at regular game update intervals
Mirrors with horizontal offset applied now stay inside windscreen
Small optimisations should reduce glitch on pit exit a little more
Success or failure message is now shown for one second after CTRL+S
FIX : Missing shine on some car parts when entering garage screen
FIX : Extreme model deformation on changing name with damaged car
FIX : Corrupted car models after quick loading with no textures
FIX : AI could decide to refuel too late at tracks with one split
FIX : Non-graphical instance of LFS would crash if AA was enabled
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking '?' in List of Hosts
FIX : LFS wrongly allowed replay after adding AI in single player

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes in TEST PATCH Y21 / Y22 :

Improved frame rates - subobjects now use hardware vertex shading
Improved sky rendering - less distortion, small frame rate increase
Smarter level of detail calculations for best detail and frame rate
On local network hosts only - false start no longer causes spectate
Driver names are now directly above car with no acceleration offset
Controls setup now includes sensitivity multipliers for mouse axes
FIX : Invisible scenery after paused fast forward in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : Inaccurate remote cars lap time after passing a split in MPR
FIX : Look buttons and rotate view did not work during a paused MPR
FIX : SHIFT+C (controllers) SHIFT+W (sound) keys now work in replay
FIX : Replay time bar keeps its clicked width while fast forwarding
FIX : In paused replay , and . keys performed two functions at once
FIX : Autocross / drag can no longer be selected in hotlapping mode
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking name in List of Hosts
FIX : Enter pits "Could not load colours" after renaming car colours
FIX : It was possible to move the default colour slider bars in pits
FIX : Two button clicks in one frame could be bad - now not possible


Changes in TEST PATCH Y20 :

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
MPR fast forwarding is now approximately five times quicker
Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
Replay controls appear when mouse is over them or start of replay
Connections / race positions / pedals are visible beside controls
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : Slider action is now cancelled on pressing ESC, T, etc.
FIX : Replay controls appeared for a moment at start of intro
FIX : Replay controls were shown during training lesson replay
FIX : Replay OOS error now breaks out of fast forwarding state
FIX : Mirror position correction was missed in load of most cars
FIX : Escape from car select screen resulted in black backgrounds
FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Sky / sea / default ground was black with wide screen effect
FIX : SHIFT+U visible objects list is now updated after forwarding
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : Error message spamming when moving a default setup slider bar
FIX : Mouse look deactivated if mouse available (even if invisible)


Changes from Y to Y19 :

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible with mouse at bottom of screen
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR

Licensed demo racers system :

Demo racers now need a user name and GAME password to go online
Unified List of Hosts - S2 users can all Demo / S1 / S2 hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts running Demo / S1 content
Demo racers now automatically download skins (but can't upload)

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Translatable lesson names - start text file with @Lesson Name
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City

Graphics :

Reduced stray pixels at edges of textures
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)

Multiplayer :

Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Misc :

All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI now correctly limited when using the /ai command

DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Y19 TO Y24 (IF YOU ALREADY HAD TEST PATCH Y19 or later) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y19_TO_Y24.exe (1.5 MB)

PATCH Y TO Y24 (UPGRADE FROM OFFICIAL VERSION Y) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y_TO_Y24.exe (5 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y24.zip (1.5 MB)


Windows XP : East Asian Language Support / Font Installation

LFS does not support double byte characters with Windows 98 / ME. Windows XP and Vista should work well but you may need to install fonts.

If you have Windows XP and currently cannot see the East Asian translations, here's how to set up your computer so it works.
See the attachment - in Control Panel click on "Regional and Language Options" then under the "Languages" tab select "Install files for East Asian Languages".
Windows will probably ask you to get your XP CD and the fonts will be installed from it.

This is important even if you do not use Chinese, Japanese or Korean translations so you can see East Asian text and player names correctly when you are online.

[Takumi_lfs]

Thanks!! first post!!

[J@tko]

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Second post :D

[filur]

InSim : MCI packets are now sent at regular game update intervals

Could you elaborate a bit on this one ?

[Flame CZE]

Nice patch, i like those gray circles on speedo and tachometers

[okijuhans]

Thanks for the new patch.

[Takumi_lfs]

Scawen, Can I request that grey circle also on the virtual speedometer?

[BinBalde]

Thanks! :thumb:

[Scawen]

Could you elaborate a bit on this one ?Prevously the updates could be irregular.

As you know, each "game update" or "physics update" is 0.01 seconds (running at 100 Hz).

So in old verisons, if you set the interval to 100 ms, you would get updates every time 100 ms had elapsed. But this was checked outside the physics loop, so if your computer was running at 33 fps, for example, each frame contains approximately 3 physics updates.

So the MCI might be output with irregular intervals, like 9, 12, 9, 10, 11 etc...

In this new version, the rate set through InSim is rounded to 10 ms then the check for updates is done inside the physics loop. So the MCI packets output will all have exactly 10 physics updates between then.

[RacerAsh3]

Great work :)

[DieKolkrabe]

Thanks for the patch :)

But...what happened to Y23? :S

[Takumi_lfs]

not released. Maybe Scawen has a big surprise instead of Y23 :tilt:

[SpikeyMarcoD]

English counting system, 19,20,21,22,24 makes sense. Its brittish humour :D

[Inouva]

Wonderfull dials in the dash , more clear to see now in low end pc , like my

[Byku]

Scawen is a God *_*. Indeed dials... much better ;).

[The Radness]

can someone post a pic of the new dials please?....I'm at the office for another hour or so:D

[BOSCHO]

when i open the lfs.exe on Y24 it gives me that error: "could not load font"

[Takumi_lfs]

Try to download the second link. If it's still not working read the message what scawen posted about asian font's etc.

E: shot of the new speedo.

[Töki (HUN)]

Thanks! :thumb:

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

Thanks, working fine here so far.
Picture attached of the dials.

[The Radness]

E: shot of the new speedo.

Thanks Scawen for the update

Thanks Takumi for the pic.

[Takumi_lfs]

Thanks Scawen for the update

Thanks Takumi for the pic.

No problem, But even tho the picture is worthless you should try it out! :tilt:

feels alot different.

[The Radness]

No problem, But even tho the picture is worthless you should try it out! :tilt:

feels alot different.

Thats the plan as soon as I get home, Kick off the shoes, boot up the comp, and install a new patch for the weekend:D

[BOSCHO]

Try to download the second link. If it's still not working read the message what scawen posted about asian font's etc.

E: shot of the new speedo.

its working now tnx

[germangoose]

Thanks! :thumb:

[scoobyrbac]

I like the new speedo you can accutally read it!

[shiny_red_cobra]

I like the new gauges, much clearer. The grey circles remind me of the Ford Mustang gauges from the classic racing game Midtown Madness!

[Scawen]

What has changed on the gauges? :scratchch

I mean, apart from the central button on the needles... I'm not aware that anything has changed.

Can you post a before and after shot to show what you mean? :schwitz:

[dawesdust_12]

Scawen, maybe you put some placebos in this patch, so people think that more has changed when it hasn't. I'd believe it too, because I can't drive since this latest patch... :p

[The Radness]

sweet, I don't notice any more increase, but it is alot smoother in traffic :thumb: the new needle looks great, beauty is in the details :D

[JasonJ]

For me the guages resolution/sharpness is the same Y0 > Y22 >> Y24.
I'm guessing they had already set a higher MIP BIAS on text/interface slider (like 0.0) and when they changed to Y24 the Mip Bias went to a lower setting (like -1.5) making the number clearer. :shrug:
OR
Perhapse they had Y0 and went to Y24 and the MIP Bias slider appeared for text so they could make it clearer.

The only difference I see is the Central Circle on the needle
Y22 59310 Y2459311

Good work boss.

[Zachary Zoomy]

is there a way to customize the needle? I've got a nice centerpiece from a BMW 645ci from racer that would look great!

[JasonJ]

As far as I can tell the coloured needle is produced "on the fly" by the LFS program and the new grey centre button is ... NDLCTRALPHA.dds

[GTR_Yuni]

It's raining patches!

[buusap]

So is Y22 officially realeased?

[Austin31287]

Green Central Circle grey boring:tilt:

[JasonJ]

So is Y22 officially realeased?The official release (Z-Patch) will appear for download from LFS via the auto-updater. Y22 is part of the journey. Y22 is dead now.

[buusap]

ok i c

Thanks

Paul

[Mischa NED]

I go check the LAG bit ;-) Nice :)

How much work would it be to add a "ilegal lap" bit? Isn't that the "HLVC legal" byte in RAF-fiels?

Could be nice to see if the lap would have been valid in hotlapping mode. Now I check invalid myself (result is that it's not 100% the same as in hotlapping mode), but having that bit would make insim life much easier :D

UPDATE - When I join the track the LAG bit is active for 1 whole second. Is this a bug or a feature? When I put car in first gear before end of this first second the LAG bit toggles off.

UPDATE - Sorry ;-) This was with Y22 client on Y24 host. Using Y24 client gives no "illegal lag" ;-) Nice feature though :-D

[Dan Josefsen]

I enjoy the extra fps boost, that have come with the resent test patches:)
Is there a way to make the speedo more visibal in the fbm tho, its hard to read how fast your going.

[Sir moi 407]

Nice patch Yeah but that bug that I reported in Y18 is still here with the AIs...
In Kyoto,Aston and Westhill, when you put 20AIs and put " pit stop requiered " they just pit too late... :really:
If you have time for this bug and want a replay just ask ;)

[Scawen]

Well I did ask for specific ways to reproduce that but got no answers. So I figured out a possible issue and fixed that.

Your description is missing some vital information, so I still cannot reproduce the bug. If you could provide this information it would be very helpful.

1) Which track configuration?
2) Which cars are your AI drivers using?
3) How many laps?

Also, if you could reproduce the bug with less AI drivers that would be very helpful, because if I run in the debug version, everything runs slow, so the MINIMUM way to reproduce the bug would be best, to increase the chances that it can be fixed. I'm very, very busy so cannot spend all day trying to reproduce one bug. What I need is the EXACT information, to reproduce it in the simplest way possible. When I can reproduce a bug, I can usually fix it.

[Tomba(FIN)]

59336

Thanks scawen this is great :thumb:

[LFSn00b]

I win, my dial things are chromed :tilt:

[foxbat]

gear up with cluth - 1 lap
gear up with ignition - 2 lap

[Flame CZE]

sweet, I don't notice any more increase, but it is alot smoother in traffic :thumb: the new needle looks great, beauty is in the details :D
there's no new needle... only that grey thing

[J@tko]

I like the new gauges, much clearer. The grey circles remind me of the Ford Mustang gauges from the classic racing game Midtown Madness!
I thought exactly the same! :thumbsup:

[AndroidXP]

gear up with cluth - 1 lap
gear up with ignition - 2 lap
:confused:

[Sir moi 407]

Well I did ask for specific ways to reproduce that but got no answers. So I figured out a possible issue and fixed that.

Your description is missing some vital information, so I still cannot reproduce the bug. If you could provide this information it would be very helpful.

1) Which track configuration?
2) Which cars are your AI drivers using?
3) How many laps?

Also, if you could reproduce the bug with less AI drivers that would be very helpful, because if I run in the debug version, everything runs slow, so the MINIMUM way to reproduce the bug would be best, to increase the chances that it can be fixed. I'm very, very busy so cannot spend all day trying to reproduce one bug. What I need is the EXACT information, to reproduce it in the simplest way possible. When I can reproduce a bug, I can usually fix it.

Oh I didn't see the post for Y22 :P
I'll do my best to help you and I'll post the other informations after my 4 LFS sessions finish the test :)
I tested with 1-2-3 hours of race and the problem is still the same I'm testing to see if it happens with a number of laps fixed
But actually I'm sure that: That problem doesn't exist in:
-Frern bay Tracks with all cars
-Blackwood Tracks with all cars
-South City Tracks with all cars
With TBO,LRF,miniGTR and GTR it does exist here:
-Aston North,Aston National,Aston Historic,Aston Grand touring, Aston Grand prix
-Westhill
-Kyoto National and long

I hope that my testings will help you :D

[Takumi_lfs]

I win, my dial things are chromed :tilt:

You loose, Renault is sooo last year :tilt:

[Sir moi 407]

Ok tested
When you put pit-stop requiered (when you don't there's no problem):
With ALL Aston tracks, ALL Kyoto tracks and Westhill ,with ALL cars it ,with 1-2-3-4-5-6-...etc cars it happens.
But if you put only 2 laps (I know it's pointless but just so you know for your tests :P) they have enough fuel but just won't pit...
So the problem comes from:
-Kyoto
-Aston
-Westhill
That's it I hope it will help you ;) If you need anything else just ask :smileypul

EDIT: and with FE,Blackwood and SO everything is OK in all situations (When you put 2 laps they pit!! :) )

[Senninha25]

I win, my dial things are chromed :tilt:
where did you get that Renault Steering wheel?
sorry for this offtopic and thanks, Scawen, this patch is looking good:)

[Takumi_lfs]

where did you get that Renault Steering wheel?
sorry for this offtopic and thanks, Scawen, this patch is looking good:)

check www.lfs-database.com

[Scawen]

Ok tested
When you put pit-stop requiered (when you don't there's no problem):
With ALL Aston tracks, ALL Kyoto tracks and Westhill ,with ALL cars it ,with 1-2-3-4-5-6-...etc cars it happens.
But if you put only 2 laps (I know it's pointless but just so you know for your tests :P) they have enough fuel but just won't pit...
So the problem comes from:
-Kyoto
-Aston
-Westhill
That's it I hope it will help you ;) If you need anything else just ask :smileypul

EDIT: and with FE,Blackwood and SO everything is OK in all situations (When you put 2 laps they pit!! :) )OK, I still cannot reproduce it.

I added an XF GTI, a Formula BMW and a Formula V8 on Aston National with 2 laps and Pit Stop Required.

They all pitted and finished the race.

Same test again on Aston Cadet - all pitted then finished the race.

EDIT : Same again with 20 AI although there were some collisions so a few did not finish. My AI are set to PRO.

EDIT 2 : Again with 20 FBM cars. Most finished successfully although quite a few crashed in the pit lane and burnt their clutch. Also some did not get enough fuel to finish their lap of honour after finishing the race. But as I understand your bug description you are saying they run out of fuel before finishing the race - that I cannot reproduce.

[Takumi_lfs]

Scawen, is it possible to make the circle a bit smaller or the needle's longer?

I tried it, but the needles arent attached to the circle then.

btw, Niko my crystal circle owns :)

[klubi-17]

Hi Scawen & thx for new test patch!
Just want to ask one question, why did these buttons dissapear by test patches: <, > and same things up & down.. Well, it does have < & > but it doesnt have up & down.. why is that and can you add then to next test patch?
Thank You!

EDIT: Oh and i ment up & down things like up as: ^ (cant find down :S)
EDIT2: well, down as: v

[Sir moi 407]

OK, I still cannot reproduce it.

I added an XF GTI, a Formula BMW and a Formula V8 on Aston National with 2 laps and Pit Stop Required.

They all pitted and finished the race.

Same test again on Aston Cadet - all pitted then finished the race.

EDIT : Same again with 20 AI although there were some collisions so a few did not finish. My AI are set to PRO.

EDIT 2 : Again with 20 FBM cars. Most finished successfully although quite a few crashed in the pit lane and burnt their clutch. Also some did not get enough fuel to finish their lap of honour after finishing the race. But as I understand your bug description you are saying they run out of fuel before finishing the race - that I cannot reproduce.
That's... really really strange...
I am absolutly sure I have Y24 because I have the thing in the middle of the speedometer... Maybe you forgot to put the fix in Y24 or I don't know :(
Well here is a spr with my AIs in the same config (don't pay attention tot he stupid AI names :D I'm just a kid :) )

EDIT: my AIs are set in pro too

[rediske]

...sorry for interfering, but I'm following this thread and I've run tests also to get this bug...
Sir moi 407: could you please post a screenshot of the race's config?

That would wipe away any language problems.... :shrug:

edit: I guess it's somehow a normal behaviour of LFS because the AI's are not allowed to pit in the first lap...? :shrug:

[Sir moi 407]

They do pit in first lap in Scawen's computer and in Blackwood,Fernbay and South city...
Well for the screen shot here you are:
http://www.zimagez.com/full/90aa13563a4cf7f7b1fb6eccae62433dd9ea390f7cb57e84b2 811e354232e0f3.php

[Scawen]

They do pit in first lap in Scawen's computer and in Blackwood,Fernbay and South city...What is in your data\pth folder?

I have attached the contents of this folder. Maybe you have deleted it at some time?

Unzip this to data\pth

[Scawen]

Hi Scawen & thx for new test patch!
Just want to ask one question, why did these buttons dissapear by test patches: <, > and same things up & down.. Well, it does have < & > but it doesnt have up & down.. why is that and can you add then to next test patch?
Thank You!

EDIT: Oh and i ment up & down things like up as: ^ (cant find down :S)
EDIT2: well, down as: vThe answer is here :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=809573#post809573

[The Radness]

there's no new needle... only that grey thing


well I assumed you would know what i meant:really:.

it is part of the "needle assembly", and sounds better than "that grey thing":shrug:

[DevilDare]

That's... really really strange...
I am absolutly sure I have Y24 because I have the thing in the middle of the speedometer... Maybe you forgot to put the fix in Y24 or I don't know :(
Well here is a spr with my AIs in the same config (don't pay attention tot he stupid AI names :D I'm just a kid :) )

EDIT: my AIs are set in pro too

ive done the exat same combo, 2 laps, pit stop required with BF1, F08 and XF GTI, and they did the pitstop. Very strange indeed, must be something wrong with your lfs maybe :D how about you download another copy of lfs, patch it up to y24 and then see if you still get it

[Scawen]

Sir moi 407 :

In case you missed it, I have posted the solution to your problem. I think you are missing something in your data\pth folder. This explains why those 3 tracks have a problem and the AI cannot pit.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=837031#post837031

[Sir moi 407]

I never did anything with this :really:
Your PTH's files work ;)
Thanks alot Scawen and sorry for making you loose your time with a bug that was only mine finally :(

[Pasci]

If I play an SPR file and use the fast forward/fast rewind bar at bottom, lfs needs many time to switch to the selected position within SPR. I've tried fast rewind in first round and lfs need many seconds to switch to the desired replay position. The replay is recorded with Y24 and played also in Y24. If I'm using an MPR, fast forward/fast rewind works fine and really fast.

Anyone could reproduce this?

[Sir moi 407]

That's normal ;)
I think that's because LFS generates the video but I might be wrong :tilt:

[aroX123]

could you update the Ai hand thing, when ai in a corner, his hands/wheel shaking (spelled rigth?) as hell. update so he is more like a human, even he is a robot :thumb:

[AndroidXP]

If I play an SPR file and use the fast forward/fast rewind bar at bottom, lfs needs many time to switch to the selected position within SPR. I've tried fast rewind in first round and lfs need many seconds to switch to the desired replay position. The replay is recorded with Y24 and played also in Y24. If I'm using an MPR, fast forward/fast rewind works fine and really fast.

Anyone could reproduce this?
This is perfectly normal, because in a SPR LFS has to recalculate all the physics up to the point you want to fast forward to. In a MPR it can just go through all the position- and race event packets, for the most part skipping the physics calculations up to the last packet.

[MijnWraak]

Middle gray circle does NOT show up on custom views hud.

:schwitz:

[chucknorris]

What exactly does the CCI_LAG bit mean?
Furthermore, is it possible to make the network
latency available to insim? i mean in milliseconds.


thanks
-chuck

[morpha]

What exactly does the CCI_LAG bit mean?
Furthermore, is it possible to make the network
latency available to insim? i mean in milliseconds.


thanks
-chuck

I suppose it's high/set if a player is shown as "lagging" to other players.
I'd prefer latency in ms aswell, +1 for that.

[Mischa NED]

I suppose it's high/set if a player is shown as "lagging" to other players.
I'd prefer latency in ms aswell, +1 for that.

Maybe Scawen wants to keep InSim compatible by just adding a flag? If he adds new field, the packet itself has to change, so all insim addons have to ;)

Scawen: What about that "invalid lap" flag? I guess the info is in LFS (hit object/wall/grass detection), so why not add the flag to CompCar structure? :)

[morpha]

Maybe Scawen wants to keep InSim compatible by just adding a flag? If he adds new field, the packet itself has to change, so all insim addons have to ;)Having the latency in every CC doesn't really make sense anyway, maybe a new small subtype?

[Mischa NED]

Having the latency in every CC doesn't really make sense anyway, maybe a new small subtype?

:thumb:

[Scawen]

Sorry but I'm not adding InSim requests at the moment. The LAG bit is something Victor requested and I could do it easily, in 5 mins. A lagging car basically has an invalid position so I guess that is helpful for things like the LFS Spectator system.

HLVC detection is not calculated in multiplayer mode - it's just for hotlapping - so it's not just a case of adding a flag.

Only fixes now, no requests, Patch Z coming soon. More development after that.

[Mischa NED]

Sorry but I'm not adding InSim requests at the moment. The LAG bit is something Victor requested and I could do it easily, in 5 mins. A lagging car basically has an invalid position so I guess that is helpful for things like the LFS Spectator system.

HLVC detection is not calculated in multiplayer mode - it's just for hotlapping - so it's not just a case of adding a flag.

Only fixes now, no requests, Patch Z coming soon. More development after that.

No problemo :) I understand ;) Good luck on Z :)

[alexcand]

Hi everybody!
I don't know where to ask this question, so I ask it here...

Scawen, will you add rain in a future patch?? Because LFS is such a fantastic game, it would be so great to experience race under the rain!

Thanks for all your work!

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Hi everybody!
I don't know where to ask this question, so I ask it here...

Scawen, will you add rain in a future patch?? Because LFS is such a fantastic game, it would be so great to experience race under the rain!

Thanks for all your work!

Cant you read what he wrote 2 posts above?


Anyway, Look at the suggestions part of the forum. Its been suggested only like 1 million times before.

And answered as well. Dont expect it in S2 is the consensus.
BUt probably in S3 (no timeline set).

[DevilDare]

Hi everybody!
I don't know where to ask this question, so I ask it here...

Scawen, will you add rain in a future patch?? Because LFS is such a fantastic game, it would be so great to experience race under the rain!

Thanks for all your work!

maybe in S4/5 xD

[Kid222]

Dare i ask... will we have cockpits in Z?
Something tells me, we will (more FPS), but the truth is hidden. Scawen?:smileypul
(sry for useless OT)

[pauliaK]

Hi everybody!
I don't know where to ask this question, so I ask it here...

Scawen, will you add rain in a future patch?? Because LFS is such a fantastic game, it would be so great to experience race under the rain!

Thanks for all your work!
Hopefully S2 is going to be finished soon as the last letter of alphabet is going to be used for upcoming patch Z after which we may get the Final version of LFS S2 :hyper:. After that Scawen should start working on S3 if he hasn't already :scratchch. It's not a secret that community expects dynamic weather, improved damage, new tracks, cars and a lot of new stuff in S3 :).

[Byku]

Guys post bugs not improvement suggestions >.>.

[Zen321]

Patch Z coming soon.

It's not a secret that community expects dynamic weather, improved damage, new tracks, cars and a lot of new stuff in S3 :).

Maybe then we can *expect to* have a new car or track for the release of S2 Final (remember the FBM and the Chicane route for S2Y :p)

Anyway, great patch, the needle "grey stuff" is very good. It is a little thing, but I find it more eye-friendly, more realistic, and so sexy :p (it made me drive faster by 0.3 secs in each track i drove on today :D).

Great news as well that patch Z is coming soon. Hope we will have some nice things in it :p

[Waffenaffe]

Maybe the Circle Modders can Upload them into LFS database :)

BTT:Scawen,nice Patch^^

[ldriver]

I really dont understand why people are so excited about this little grey round thing .

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Dare i ask... will we have cockpits in Z?
Something tells me, we will (more FPS), but the truth is hidden. Scawen?:smileypul
(sry for useless OT)

Offtopic yes, useless...hm not quite

[Whiskey]

I really dont understand why people are so excited about this little grey round thing .

It is a very small piece, but with it the interior view looks more realistic.

[marcel.]

It is a very small piece, but with it the interior view looks more realistic.

Great!!!





:tombstone LFS.

[J@tko]

Great!!!





:tombstone LFS.
WTF? I agree wholeheatedly with the person who you quoted.

[Zen321]

Great!!!





:tombstone LFS.

It seems that you didn't try it :p Indeed, it might be a very small thing, but IMHO you feel more like in a car and not in a 3D cockpit :p

[samforey12345]

Would it be possible to have those lil bits of eye candy on ALL the gauges, in any view? Do you get what i mean, it's quite hard to explain. Look at screenie, it might help :shy:

[Flame CZE]

Someone has already written that...

[samforey12345]

Someone has already written that...

Ah k, what was the answer? Sorry i havn't got time to read the pages atm:shrug:

[Austin31287]

duel mointer wont work with patch 24 =(

[Whiskey]

Not answer at the moment, but IMO if you are in a fake view you needn't have to have real things

[Sir moi 407]

Fake view? hmmm I don't know...
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/minis_n_oatcakes/images/Mr%20Bean%20mini%201.jpg

PS:sry for the OT but I HAD to post it:D

[aroX123]

Scawen, i have a question, have you tested all cars we have in lfs in real life?

[shiny_red_cobra]

Wow aroX just when I think you've smartened up you prove me wrong all over again. How could he possibly test LFS cars in real life? Over half of them are NOT REAL!!!

[MijnWraak]

Scawen, i have a question, have you tested all cars we have in lfs in real life?
:doh:

[Flame CZE]

I saw only a video he's testing FBM...

[three_jump]

I'm getting really annoyed now.

This is the TEST patch forum where Scawen kindly asks us to report only problems on his current work. But it seems like 80% doesn't care and simply just spams on as in the other subforums.

It's really annoying to keep track of things already reported when they
a) are hidden between the unbelieveble amount of crap which gets posted here from time to time,
b) blowing the thread up by several pages when actually having nothing important / usefull to say.

I understand than some of you are "excited" to have a closere insight on what's in developement, but this is just joke what some are posting here.

Please, If you don't have to contribute anything which is at least related to the TEST patch stay f****** out of this subforum and make it easier for the rest of us.

Thank you.

//
sorry for the off topic

[aroX123]

I didn't know.. Since i saw him test FBM so..
But you say over half of them are nor real, what about the others?

New Q: What cars have you tested in LFS in real life

Edit: Sorry Three jump, didn't read the post

[-V-Max-]

I didn't know.. Since i saw him test FBM so..
But you say over half of them are nor real, what about the others?

New Q: What cars have you tested in LFS in real life

Edit: Sorry Three jump, didn't read the post

All cars in LFS are fictional except the Formula BMW, Formula 1 and the MRT.

And I suppose he only drove the FBM in real life.

[Flame CZE]

All cars in LFS are fictional except the Formula BMW, Formula 1 and the MRT.

And I suppose he only drove the FBM in real life.
And Raceabout...

[aroX123]

Thanks:tilt:

[kiss me]

i hope it fixes my crash,
after 30 min, lfs allways crashes, once i got a bsod, might be my psu, might be lfs

[Lotesdelere]

Some new keys have been added :
1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
It still doesn't work at all with a french keyboard.

Suggestion: why not using the cursor keys for this feature when watching at a replay and not being in Shift+U mode ? This should be compatible will all keyboard layouts.

You could even use the Up and Down keys for other steps (e.g. 10 seconds step and 1 minute step when used with Shift). Usefull for very long replays like endurance races ones :)

[Whiskey]

If that keys are compatible with all other features in the game it could be a step in the right direction

[wien]

i hope it fixes my crash,
after 30 min, lfs allways crashes, once i got a bsod, might be my psu, might be lfsI'd say that's almost guaranteed to be your computer in some way. There's nothing LFS could do to BSOD your computer, unless it's rubbing a buggy driver the wrong way (unlikely and still not LFS' fault).

[Easy_Mike]

i hope it fixes my crash,
after 30 min, lfs allways crashes, once i got a bsod, might be my psu, might be lfs

I had that same problem when i trie dto run Y24 with High res extrapack.
did a fresh install with only Y24 and that sorted the problem.
Q6600+88ooGTX+3gb ram....
might be a hint..might be another useless comment..but i try:shrug:

[kiss me]

well since y24, no crashes so far...
i do think its the psu tho, i had it before, buying budget psu's...
overloading them, cuz my system demands to much power wich the psu can give...
just gotta buy a new one...
cuz i can use my pc, when not playing games, so when the psu isn't loaded to much

[greg_slideways]

ok, this is more of a vista thing i belive, Me on my computer is not an admin, because my dad doesnt trust me..IDK Y but anywho. Y must it be admin to install it, I can not extract and run it without admin permmisions. Any way of avoiding that?

[wien]

Install the game in your user directory (Documents or something) and it should work fine. You have write permissions in there.

[JO53PHS]

Why do I get this horrible reflection off my steering wheel centre???

:(

[Flame CZE]

Because of the improvement. Why dont you like that?

[JO53PHS]

Does it not look to you like somebody's put a glass bowl on my steering wheel? :really:

Seriously... I hate it

[wien]

Well you modded the damn thing. The original wheel looks just fine. Tough. Now, could we please stop spamming this thread with all this nonsense?

[senn]

i might be a bit slow with this, but how long have the FXO XFG etc headlights been 3d, ie lens is seperate from the glass....

[okijuhans]

Its the texture not 3D lights.

[senn]

ummmm nope using DEFAULT textures the lens's are now seperate from the outer glass, and i don't recall having seen that before, i'll post a pic...

http://i26.tinypic.com/20a7a4w.jpg

I don't recall the cars having that much detail ie 3d modelled lenses, but maybe i just missed it in a previous patch a long time ago??

[Scawen]

The headlights have been separate from their glass covers in all versions of LFS the public has ever seen.

This is a test patch thread and you should only be reporting issues that have come up in the new test patches and were not there before, or serious issues that must be resolved before Patch Z.

"General LFS discussion" in this thread is just spam. Please avoid it to save us time - time is tight approaching Patch Z.

[coolxiang]

Have install the test patch y22, but can´t start the game. i have vista and when i try to start i get the failure text box "could not load font". pls help anyone quick. thx:schwitz:

[Scawen]

Apparently that is Vista trying to protect you against something, and I've heard the solution is to run LFS as administrator.

[TRM.13]

Could be possible you installed "Y19 to Y22 patch" without Y19? It is the same error if you do this way

[coolxiang]

i am admin and a install the x to y22 patch! so is there no solution how i can fix it?

[Fabri91]

i am admin and a install the h to y22 patch! so is there no solution how i can fix it?

Try to copy the folder "abc" of a default Y installation (simply download and unzip it somewhere, no need to unlock this installation too. We just want the folder) into your y22/y24 installation.
This has helped me, but remember to backup first.

[coolxiang]

thx that helps
:thumb:

[BruTaLysT]

Someone has already written that...

You mean Analog Gauges?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=28186

I really like it a lot, I now never use the internal car-dashboard view anymore. I figured the wheel and arms are just totally strange and obscuring most part of the view, but disabling them looks weird too.
Since i made my own simulator cockpit thingy it feels much more natural to get rid of all this crap. Now i really feel as if i'm in the car. Recently i made my own Gauges and it now looks like this:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/stefankoopmans/LFS/GAUGE/CUSTOMGAUGE2.jpg

But also the centered "wheels-only" view finally looks the part this way:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/stefankoopmans/LFS/GAUGE/CUSTOMGAUGE.jpg

It felt like ages to make this dial work correctly, but it's almost finished and ready to upload. It allows for a lot of creative work from everyone which makes it such a cool tool to fiddle around with.

Thanks go to Riskredrum and Screama.


I know this is a bit off-topic and shouldn't be posted in the testpatch topic, but due to the change of needles (center-assambly) everyone is talking about gauges. Which is actually funny coincidence since I worked my ass off recent days to create my own Gauges :P

[Flame CZE]

You mean Analog Gauges?
No, I meant the gray button in the middle of the gauges.

[510N3D]

Not sure if this has been reported already but i have noticed two minor bugs lately.

One of it is about the textures, particularly the rear light textures which are quite often not loaded correctly it seems. It looks like a "dull" texture that seems to be some sort of a placeholder or something. Today i have seen it happen with my own car (for the first time) and it changed while on track. I had to pit (just for repair, no shift+P/S) and the textures where normal and after leaving the pitlane again they went weird. (track was KY3R and car was XRG)

The second issue was that, after refueling once in the pitlane, at every following pitstop the game tries to refuel the same amount again although is was set to zero again (F12). It wouldn't stop until i start moving and im also getting a message saying that fuel has been added but its still the same amount. I was not able to reproduce this bug but the circumstances where as follows:

Track: KY3R
Car: RB4
Session Mode: Practice
Fuel in tank: 40%
Fuel to add: 100%

Just in case that happens again, i will save the replay. Forgot about it this time ;)

[Jazzka]

Have install the test patch y22, but can´t start the game. when i try to start i get the failure text box "could not load font". pls help anyone quick. thx:schwitz:

And now im missing my original LFS.exe :( helppp :schwitz:

[Flame CZE]

Re-download it...

[Cue-Ball]

And now im missing my original LFS.exe :( helppp :schwitz:You have obviously done something very wrong. Download the Y to Y24 patch (not the Y19 to Y24 version) and reinstall it. If that doesn't work, re-extract a fresh copy of version Y and then apply the Y24 patch, or just go back to using Y and wait for Patch Z to come out.

If you're using Vista you need to make sure that you are an Administrator and that you have write permissions in whatever directory you are installing LFS to.

[Jazzka]

Umm thanks for quick response.. got it to work.. It needs to be Dl'ed directly to the lfs root and run from there :) thanks you dudes.
Back to driving :razz:

[coolxiang]

I intalled the test patch y24 because i can´t wait until the new patch released. But after it was istalled i get down on the ground, because i hope there where more graphic changes. only the aa and af and some other little things, but not the big changes i hope.
I hope there are more changes in the final z patch

[Flame CZE]

I intalled the test patch y24 because i can´t wait until the new patch released. But after it was istalled i get down on the ground, because i hope there where more graphic changes. only the aa and af and some other little things, but not the big changes i hope.
I hope there are more changes in the final z patch
are you crazy? did you read the whole changelog? :) Chineese , Korean support, demo licence system, AA, AF, FPS increased, Replay controls... I think its not few changes

[Takumi_lfs]

Patch Y had a new car. Now that the Fbm came with patch Y people are expecting more in patch Z.

[coolxiang]

are you crazy? did you read the whole changelog? :) Chineese , Korean support, demo licence system, AA, AF, FPS increased, Replay controls... I think its not few changes

I am not crazy, but i hoped there where more important graphic changes (i know aa and af) and increasing the graphic.

[Danke]

I think I found a bug, although I'm not sure if it's new with Y2x. The numbers on the tire temp display overlap the actual tire in the FO8. I haven't driven the FO8 for a long time, so I can't recall if this was an issue before or not.

[Flame CZE]

I think it's not that bad... you can see all you need

[Cue-Ball]

That's very strange. I just checked the F08 (which I NEVER drive) on Fern Bay in Patch Y24 on my machine here at work and the numbers do not overlap the tire display in F9 mode.

Can you reproduce that with any of the other cars on your machine? Are you using a language other than English?

[MataGyula]

I think that's only because of the weird resolution he is using ( that is if he uses the res. the picture has :P )

[Danke]

It's a widescreen resolution, although not using the widescreen mode. I can see everything I need, but it's not like every other car, where the numbers are above the tires. Not a big deal.

And I'm using English. :tilt:

[GeForz]

I think I found a bug, although I'm not sure if it's new with Y2x. The numbers on the tire temp display overlap the actual tire in the FO8. I haven't driven the FO8 for a long time, so I can't recall if this was an issue before or not.

The "problem" is, that the boxes and the text are relative to the screen width and height but the tyres size is only relative to the screen width.

Boxes are like 5% of screen height and 10% of screen width and they stay relative to the screen size. You can proof that very easy by switching to windowed mode (shift+f4) and resizing the window to 5:10 and 10:5 ratios...

However because the tyre is only affected by screen size ist bigger because of widescreens... and because the gap between tyre and text is a vertical gap it's affected by the screen height.


And of course because FO8 and BF1 tyres are so big... ^^

[msmolt]

can someone help me as i cant get it to work online. It keeps saying user name not found in demo. but when i log in here my user name works ?

[chanoman315]

I think that's only because of the weird resolution he is using ( that is if he uses the res. the picture has :P )I had this issue since i joined LFS, it was he only car with the F1 that had this "feature", but ive seen other people that doesnt have this

[msmolt]

Check which password you are using - there is a GAME password (to be used in LFS) and a WEB password (used FORUM/LFSWORLD etc) for your user name.yes Ive set a game password and i see no were in the game to set password And when searching for servers it tells me my user name not found. But opening the game it shows my users name a msmolt ? Ive set the game password on this forum but see no were to enter it in the game?

[wien]

Click on your name in the opening screen and enter your name and password in the appropriate boxes.

[msmolt]

Click on your name in the opening screen and enter your name and password in the appropriate boxes.
thank you very much that worked for me

[GTA_Racer07]

Installation of this patch is not possible because I need rights on this new pc from my dad for it ... (to install files). Is there any other way? (Got patch Y)

[Danke]

...Boxes are like 5% of screen height and 10% of screen width and they stay relative to the screen size. You can proof that very easy by switching to windowed mode (shift+f4) and resizing the window to 5:10 and 10:5 ratios...


That's a good point. I do run LFS windowed, although it's in whatever aspect ratio it gives me, not resized. I'll have to try that fullscreen sometime.

[Willem-racer]

i like this patch ^^

[Whiskey]

Installation of this patch is not possible because I need rights on this new pc from my dad for it ... (to install files). Is there any other way? (Got patch Y)

Somaone said that you can avoid this limitation by instaling the game in your user folder (my documents)

[Flame CZE]

I found a small bug in Y24. In Y it's OK.

FPS / clock overlaps the keys panel, see the screenshot.

[Whiskey]

In my Y24 game the FPS hide when I'm in Shift+U menu. I tried with it in the left and into the right.

Maybe it is related to the language?

[Flame CZE]

In my Y24 game the FPS hide when I'm in Shift+U menu. I tried with it in the left and into the right.

Maybe it is related to the language?
I tried it with other languages and there's the same result

[tigerboyz]

LFS keeps freezing my whole computer (mouse and other programs included) in single player, not sure why. It freezes for about 10 seconds then unfreezes, then refreezes and repeats if I stay on the track. I tried getting latest video driver off NVIDIA's site, hasn't helped. I have Windows XP SP3 and LFS Y24 but have noticed it in Y22 too. I tried fresh installing LFS (then patching to Y24) and it happens in that too. It hasn't happened in multiplayer, only singleplayer. Doesn't happen during the menus but happens only while I'm on the track. I'm still trying it while I type this and it seems only certain cars do it. LX4, LX6, RB4, so far do it while XFG and MRT don't do it.

[Sir moi 407]

What's important is to know if it happens with Y (normal one :) )

[tigerboyz]

I haven't tried with Y yet (never used to happen in Y), but I will check. I just managed to capture everything with Fraps, and noticed after it cycles a few freezes and unfreezes, the car blinks like it's reloading itself (using in-car view) - the "body" of the car disappears and you see the "bones" of the car for a split second as it reloads. Fraps actually didn't capture that though, might have to do it with a camera. I'll go try Y now.

edit: Yep, happens in Y also. Any ideas?

edit2: Doesn't happen in Vista; there must be something on XP but I can't figure out what. I've tried closing everything even. Is XP SP3 to blame?

Managed to get a screenshot: http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/592/screen1ru7.jpg This sometimes happens after like 5-10 freezes, but not always. There's some black line going up from the back of the car and don't know what the white thing is. I ended up getting out of fullscreen and my car went back to normal, so couldn't get any other shots.

Just had it happen in multiplayer too and it loses connection by the time I unfreeze.

[hyphy_racer]

Hello im having the same problem as a few others with could not load font but im on XP wat could be the problem my other computer (vista) works fine

edit it works fine now

[GTA_Racer07]

Somaone said that you can avoid this limitation by instaling the game in your user folder (my documents)
Still doesn't work, its still got blocked ... (and i'm talking about patch y > y24)

[scoobyrbac]

Still doesn't work, its still got blocked ... (and i'm talking about patch y > y24)


do you have a flash drive? If so put lfs on it and use it that way.

[pauliaK]

OMG, can't you just ask your dad for that stupid permission? This is really getting ridiculous and it has nothing to do with this test patch, sorry...

[GTA_Racer07]

OMG, can't you just ask your dad for that stupid permission? This is really getting ridiculous and it has nothing to do with this test patch, sorry...
Got a bad day or so? Relax man, anyway, my dad thinks lfs caused a virus or even hard disc crash and thats why he won't give permission.

[AndroidXP]

And what does your private problem have to do with the test patch? Nothing, so please stop the offtopic spam.

[jaohard]

Off topic post:
Managed to get a screenshot: http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/592/screen1ru7.jpg This sometimes happens after like 5-10 freezes, but not always. There's some black line going up from the back of the car and don't know what the white thing is. I ended up getting out of fullscreen and my car went back to normal, so couldn't get any other shots.
You could try
1) using memtest to test your ram (google for it)
2) download latest direct-x from M$ and re-install
3) drop down the acceleration on the gfx card and test it (found in display properties:settings:advanced:troubleshoot)
4) unplug certain peripherals like memcard readers etc.
5) etc.

ps. Can a moderator cleanup off topic posts more often, thanks.

[Nicocrank]

ANYONE GOT fRAPS LOW fps WHEn recording with Y24 patch ??!! , it seems like it limits itself to 10fps, i use patch Y without test patch and it works fine


anyone got an idea ??



thx

[Nadeo4441]

Buy a better PC , or set the skies to 16 bit

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

ANYONE GOT fRAPS LOW fps WHEn recording with Y24 patch ??!! , it seems like it limits itself to 10fps, i use patch Y without test patch and it works fine


anyone got an idea ??



thx

It works here. Try to set LFS to 16 bit (not just the skies).

[detail]

In Aston Track there are pieces of scenery that become visible later that they should, leaving very noteable white holes

(my resolution is 1600*1200, level of detail 0.57)

[JasonJ]

No offense and I would like it fixed as well someday, but this problem also occurs in Y standard release so it is not a Y+ patch specific bug.

version Y0 - 1680x1050 x Level Of Detail 1.0

[Breizh]

n/t The above post apparently is the same bug as in the post preceding it.

[Scawen]

Thank you all for the testing.

Y30 is now released :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44916