Post Race 2 Discussion

[Stefani24]

Great racing there, managed to flip it. -.-
sorry at that guy with bu that i spun out at a restart.

[teedot]

I was absolutely appalled at the driving standards exhibited by many of the drivers on track today. Careless ramming during pace/SC laps, careless overtaking causing wrecks... etc etc etc. This is an absolute farce!

Kudos to the top 8 or so racers as you guys definitely provided some nice close racing once away from the mindless numpties at the back.

I'm seriously considering pulling out of this series if something is not done about the driver who i have reported via PM to Lizard. Lizard i would appreciate a reply as soon as you can.

[mutt107]

wow. atleast i finished but i saw lots of people pass b4 line and people NOT USING THERE FING BRAKES! gawd w/e it was a 0k race.

[AjRose]

Besides being flung into last pace in the first safety car And having very little practice on the track. I beleive I Had 2 incidents that were my fault :(

Sorry to #77 and #48

#12 N.Demec passed multiple cars before the S/F and Had an Incident with me on lap 20.

At least the chat was controlled this race.

[Mp3 Astra]

There are a huge number of incidents under investigation. And I imagine there will be a lot of punishment too.

[LFSn00b]

Anyone got a replay? I want to see why the heck kenneth spinned me.

Also, car number 27 passed me under yellow and the incident between number 7 when i was told to go back - i was in front of him.

[greg_slideways]

On lap 29, i stayed at speed and got passed by many drivers.

Need it reviewd.:shrug:

[racer hero]

I have 2 reports.

Report 1.
Lap:31
Drivers: #16 and N I K I. (Not sure of number.)
Explanation: Going into the chicane, contact is made and one of them spun.

Report 2.
Lap: Last restart.
Drivers: Shank and Niki for sure passed before line, not sure about who else.
Explanation:
A bunch of drivers jumped the start and I was crashed by someone. I believe it was Niko, but I am not 100% sure. Please review this.

Thank you,
Kenneth

[anbiddulph]

Anyone got a replay? I want to see why the heck kenneth spinned me.

Also, car number 27 passed me under yellow and the incident between number 7 when i was told to go back - i was in front of him.
well, you did quit, so not much to do

[Mp3 Astra]

I have 2 reports.

Report 1.
Lap:31
Drivers: #16 and N I K I. (Not sure of number.)
Explanation: Going into the chicane, contact is made and one of them spun.

Report 2.
Lap: Last restart.
Drivers: Shank and Niki for sure passed before line, not sure about who else.
Explanation:
A bunch of drivers jumped the start and I was crashed by someone. I believe it was Niko, but I am not 100% sure. Please review this.

Thank you,
Kenneth

Please PM LizardFolk.

[racer hero]

Anyone got a replay? I want to see why the heck kenneth spinned me.

Also, car number 27 passed me under yellow and the incident between number 7 when i was told to go back - i was in front of him.

Actually, if you watch the replay we were 5 wide going down into where the track narrows and you and me were both squished becuase you didnt lift.

[Falcon140]

This race was awful:

-The wreck in turn 1 should have been a full restart, not a caution.
-The admins did an awful job controlling the caution and pace laps (IE:Pits open after green....)
-Mindless wrecking under cautions, yet no action was taken...
-Speed limit gets thrown out the window after Pace Car goes in...
-Even if we wanted to help the admins, we got kicked for it...

The fact that the admins claimed that they learned from last weeks problems, was clearly not evident, as today's race was a complete joke.

[racer hero]

This race was awful:

-The wreck in turn 1 should have been a full restart, not a caution.
-The admins did an awful job controlling the caution and pace laps (IE:Pits open after green....)
-Mindless wrecking under cautions, yet no action was taken...
-Speed limit gets thrown out the window after Pace Car goes in...
-Even if we wanted to help the admins, we got kicked for it...

The fact that the admins claimed that they learned from last weeks problems, was clearly not evident, as today's race was a complete joke.

Actually, you are wrong. Until the last 5 laps, the race was great. No chatting, good steady SC speed. Was great until people lost there brains in the last 5 laps.

[Falcon140]

Actually, you are wrong. Until the last 5 laps, the race was great. No chatting, good steady SC speed. Was great until people lost there brains in the last 5 laps.

What race were you running in? The cautions were more dangerous than the racing.

[LFSn00b]

Actually, if you watch the replay we were 5 wide going down into where the track narrows and you and me were both squished becuase you didnt lift.That is called racing, and had overlap from you so i found no reason to brake.

[Mp3 Astra]

This race was awful:

-The wreck in turn 1 should have been a full restart, not a caution.
-The admins did an awful job controlling the caution and pace laps (IE:Pits open after green....)
-Mindless wrecking under cautions, yet no action was taken...
-Speed limit gets thrown out the window after Pace Car goes in...
-Even if we wanted to help the admins, we got kicked for it...

The fact that the admins claimed that they learned from last weeks problems, was clearly not evident, as today's race was a complete joke.

I give up - last time I issued apologies to most people, but this time I will not. We threw cautions exactly how the rules are stated in this forum, to the best of my knowledge. We kicked people because if you talk twice, you're out! We said it about 10 times before the race so there is no excuse for that.

[AjRose]

What is the official word on crashing under safety car?

Can you rejoin in your origional postition or continue from the rear?

[Mp3 Astra]

You rejoin from the rear.

[Falcon140]

The throwing of cautions was fine, but while under caution, it was crap. You didn't do one caution the same... The last 2 or 3, you didn't even open the pits...

[evilpimp]

Horrible driving by many. Simply horrible.

Grats to CoRe on that race. Niki and Shank well.. grats I guess even after that suicidal move which got us off the podium.

Please investigate the passing before the start in lap 35 which cost us a great position.

Admins did a much better job then last time but it's simply uncontrolable with some of these drivers.

I got pretty unlucky. 3rd then losing connection multiple times.

[DeadWolfBones]

Sounds like I made the right choice skipping it. :P

[LFSn00b]

Yes, you're right. You did the right choice Ben.

[racer hero]

Sounds like I made the right choice skipping it. :P

No you didnt. It was great if you were up front like me and mista. You would of be there so you woulda been fine.

[evilpimp]

Sounds like I made the right choice skipping it. :P

It was really nice up front really. Until the kamikazee's came out after the last caution. I think you would have enjoy'd it actually.

[TomShanK]

Anyone got a replay? I want to see why the heck kenneth spinned me.

Also, car number 27 passed me under yellow and the incident between number 7 when i was told to go back - i was in front of him.

Explanation: The caution was thrown...about 20-30 seconds later you come blazing by. I then procede to catch up to the field with the rest of the people behind me. I use the standard nascar-style procedure to express the fact that a position was taken from me. The admin then granted me my position and the race went on.

=--=-=-=--=-==-=

Explanation #2 (Ken): The green flag was thrown and Niki gunned it, and I followed. Niki opened a hole between about 2 or 3 different cars. I followed him through, realizing that you guys probably ran into each other up there and braked to avoid incident. At our speed if we had attempted to brake and avoid you as the hole was closing; it would have been a total 8-car pileup mayhem.

-=-=-===-==--==-

Lap 1, Turn 1: I caused that entire wreck, and take full responsibility for my agressive driving. I made the stupid mistake of thinking that cold tyres could handle a full-on balls out attempt at the inside under one of the CORE guys. I apologize to people involved.


EDIT: I'd like to make a proposal that 5 bonus points are given to BigTime, and Tea (and other well-performing disconnectees) who really deserved the toughluck award after the disconnects.

[N I K I]

Well it was good race, my setup was kinda slow with low fuel so PMD got me, with little help of BigTime. I think that was unfair since I'm 100% sure BigTime was at least a lap down. I made suicide move on him down to chicane, mostly cos i pissed off and overrated my brakes... Last restart was total mess, I started normally on green flag! For unknown reason cars in front were really slow and i had to escape them, then green appeared again. Next moment I realized what happened, I was in front of whole bunch of cars, right on start finish like and it's too late to brake, it would cause more mess and more crashes. But I'm sure I would get you all down to 2nd anyways :P

Congrats PMD.

[LFSn00b]

race replay please???

[Mp3 Astra]

The throwing of cautions was fine, but while under caution, it was crap. You didn't do one caution the same... The last 2 or 3, you didn't even open the pits...

The pits were opened when the whole train of cars caught the safety car. This therefore meant that it took a long time to open the pits, because there were some cars a long way behind. Anyway, cars involved in a wreck are allowed to pit - they have their penalties cleared.

[racer hero]

Explanation #2 (Ken): The green flag was thrown and Niki gunned it, and I followed. Niki opened a hole between about 2 or 3 different cars. I followed him through, realizing that you guys probably ran into each other up there and braked to avoid incident. At our speed if we had attempted to brake and avoid you as the hole was closing; it would have been a total 8-car pileup mayhem.

Honestly man, You shouldnt of followed. You passed before the line and should get a penalty just like I did last race.

[Thorvertonian]

Penalties for overtaking before the line WILL be given post race, as it states clearly in the rules.

[N I K I]

P.S. Pit stops were really fun. I was staying out waiting SC to show up again, but it didn't. I was kinda same speed as PMD so it was nice moment when i came back on track :)
TBH, There is way too many SC periods. Normally there should be just few, or a few, not this many. I had endu setup, with low camber... and never used potential of it, most laps driven were like 10 somewhere right on start of race, when i was faster then PMD cos of tires!
Also i had 8% fuel left at end because of SC periods :\

[evilpimp]

Ok, watched the replay and kenneth was not hit by Shank or Niki on the restarts but only passed by them. The contact was between Kenneth and Mischief and that is what caused ken's spin.

[TomShanK]

Not saying anything.

[anbiddulph]

peoples ability to drive behind the safety car is just plain awful, how do you veer of onto the grass doing 50mph on the straight? and why so tightly packed? this made no sence, so dont blame the admins, blame the majority of people who couldnt drive...

[N I K I]

Passing Before the Start/Finish Line
During a restart, if you pass before the start/finish line, one lap will be added to your time for a first offense. A second offense will result in a black flag
Yes rules says this, but we had special situation, and we passed them not because we wanted to gain positions, because we wanted to remain safe racing, and not cause TOTAL WRECKAGE!


Disconnected
Unfortunately, disconnected will be scored as a DNF. We'll use the same policy as the one used by the STCC.
And up to that BigTimes comments about that he was in same lap. Rules were excluded in here, and he was approved to continue driving and score points... Why not to do that with our little special restart situation?

[N I K I]

peoples ability to drive behind the safety car is just plain awful, how do you veer of onto the grass doing 50mph on the straight? and why so tightly packed? this made no sence, so dont blame the admins, blame the majority of people who couldnt drive...
I sow no problems with this... only that restart thingy.
Maybe at back, but not in front of me, or as far as i can see in my mirrors :P

[Mp3 Astra]

Yes rules says this, but we had special situation, and we passed them not because we wanted to gain positions, because we wanted to remain safe racing, and not cause TOTAL WRECKAGE!


And up to that BigTimes comments about that he was in same lap. Rules were excluded in here, and he was approved to continue driving and score points... Why not to do that with our little special restart situation?

I think the rule is going to be changed, where it will be investigated after the race. It is impossible to make a correct judgement during the race, unfortunately.

[N I K I]

I think rules should be like F1 restarts. No green flags, leader decides when to put the pedal to the metal, then situations like this (lag Green flag massage) would not appear.

[anbiddulph]

another point, this could be made into hundreds of blame games:D

[mutt107]

yes maby hmm 10-15 blame games?

[greg_slideways]

Yes rules says this, but we had special situation, and we passed them not because we wanted to gain positions, because we wanted to remain safe racing, and not cause TOTAL WRECKAGE!


No i think any passing is agianst rules. NO MATTER WHAT! :shrug:

[scania]

the cars get too close while SC, & the lead car speed not linear, it let the car of the last be a sandwich

[LFSn00b]

I feel like ignored once again... Replay file???

[N I K I]

the cars get too close while SC, & the lead car speed not linear, it let the car of the last be a sandwich
yes cars are too close, take a look at real life, like 5 car lengths between cars is nothing unusual when tires warming up. But when it's up to restart they bunch up together...

[TomShanK]

I think rules should be like F1 restarts. No green flags, leader decides when to put the pedal to the metal, then situations like this (lag Green flag massage) would not appear.


+82 to you, that's how it is in NASCAR (to an extent) and kart racing.

(Niko, MSN me (Crackabob@Hotmail) and I'll send you the replay.)

[evilpimp]

I think that the start procedure Niki is saying we should do is good. However still no passing before the line O_O

[N I K I]

I think that the start procedure Niki is saying we should do is good. However still no passing before the line O_O
yup no passing before S/F line, crazy example, leader can drive like 10kmh all the way down to line, but no one can pass him :)

P.S. i just youtubed and there are lots of crashes in NASCAR on restarts and stuff like that, that's what makes it interesting lol

[PMD9409]

The pits were opened when the whole train of cars caught the safety car. This therefore meant that it took a long time to open the pits, because there were some cars a long way behind. Anyway, cars involved in a wreck are allowed to pit - they have their penalties cleared.

The pits were not open the last 2 SC's, and there is easy proof to this (which also caused the Niki and Shank thing at the green flag). Since you guys never opened the pits, when the green flag was thrown, a second before was "Pit Lane Open" which is the same color as "Green Flag" which threw ALOT of people off (causing the people jumping the start). Now in all honesty you should not give Shank and Niki a penalty for this, because it seems more of a admin problem then anything.

[BigTime]

And up to that BigTimes comments about that he was in same lap. Rules were excluded in here, and he was approved to continue driving and score points... Why not to do that with our little special restart situation?

Thats the only reason I continued to race... I really figured after the first time out that I would be kicked but since I didnt I continued to race. I was lucky enough to time out during cation laps so I figured I was on the lead lap. Really wish if that was the case I would have been kicked because I simply didn't know I would get a DNF.

Sorry for getting in the way there Niki but I was under the influence, after not being kicked, that my race would still be counted...

[evilpimp]

yup no passing before S/F line, crazy example, leader can drive like 10kmh all the way down to line, but no one can pass him :)

P.S. i just youtubed and there are lots of crashes in NASCAR on restarts and stuff like that, that's what makes it interesting lol

Hehe im pretty sure that the leader is better off to just slam the throttle right away as it would be unexpected and he'd open up a gap :P

It's maybe true that in NASCAR there are crashes aswell but I doupt it's nearly as much as in SRcup and not for the same reasons probably.

[TomShanK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU6PdpwAq_s

Truex fails epicly, on start, and because the other drivers had no where to go...a serious wreck occurred because of the momentum already gained by the cars behind. (Feel free to note the cars all passing before the s/f line)
Our situation allowed us an escape route, much like a few cars in that video.

If we had chosen to get bottlenecked up, that would have happened *Points to video*

I know for a fact I passed before the line, it's just that it was justifyable.

[N I K I]

Great example!

[greg_slideways]

Yes, Allthough if you jumped no matter the situation you should pay for jumping. Thats how the rule reads.
:shrug: Sorry :shrug:

[Toddshooter]

I had an alright race except for all the freakin crap driving while under caution.
Was passed more than once and crashed more than once under caution. Then to add insult to injury I calmly informed the Admins in the proper way, under caution, and was told not to chat!! It was the only thing I said the whole race and it was perfectly legitimate.

The field is frozen the moment the caution quick chat is displayed on the screen. If you are racing side by side with another driver and unable to determine who was ahead of who just give the inside guy the position and inquire a check to the admins calmly. DO NOT FORCE ANY POSITION

I think the whole race needs a good look at, and some of the drivers need to be asked not to return for the next race. To be perfectly honest they need more experience racing in a crowd.

Congrats to the winners and anyone who actually made it through all the mayhem.

[evilpimp]

I think the whole confusion was because of the Pit's now open in green. When it went on Shank pressed on it (I don't blame him I would have done the same) then it went off and the green went. Technicly, it wasn't Niki or Shank's fault that they passed before thinking that the green was on but they started they're passing maneuvre before the green and passed before the line.

This still didn't really cause ken's crash directly but might have been avoided if that didnt happen.

[PMD9409]

Perfect example (at shank's video).

[N I K I]

Yes, Allthough if you jumped no matter the situation you should pay for jumping. Thats how the rule reads.
:shrug: Sorry :shrug:
Do you have something personal against me or Shank, I'm asking because you act like you do?

[Falcon140]

All in all, it wasn't THAT bad, but it still wasn't good... The cautions were the only thing that really pissed me off. I got wrecked repeatedly under caution.

The "NO CHAT" thing was a little much as well. I mean, we couldn't even say if we were screwed over without being screwed over.

[greg_slideways]

No, Not pointed towards you, More towards people who got got passed me on restart lap 29! I stayed at speed untill green then passed before line. :shrug:

[N I K I]

No, Not pointed towards you, More towards people who got got passed me on restart lap 29! I stayed at speed untill green then passed before line. :shrug:
Oh, then we're not talking about the same thing.
All in all, it wasn't THAT bad, but it still wasn't good... The cautions were the only thing that really pissed me off. I got wrecked repeatedly under caution.

The "NO CHAT" thing was a little much as well. I mean, we couldn't even say if we were screwed over without being screwed over.
Well, SC periods were boring on front of the grid and made me really off the pace in first laps of restart, hehe

No chat thing is great if you ask me.

[evilpimp]

Also, Shank, the video proves that that could have happened if you guys were anywere close to the others, from what I remember after you guys jumped on the 'Pits now open' bind you were far from others and could have let go of the throttle and let people be at the same speed.

I'll just stop but in no way should passing before S/F line but this time I think it's really the 'pits now open' bind that mixed everything up.

@ niki : Holy crap it's horrible being behind you on pace laps lol. Accelerate, slow down, accelerate, slow down, accelerate, slow down. :P

Anyways I'm happy bout my qual position and how I did before losing connection. So my driving was good enough for me sucks bout my connection but it seems like it wont let me drive with this many ppl.

[Mischief007]

It was Ken and I who touched after the funky restart. Once I saw the green I thought it was a green flag but that came 2 seconds later. Pumped the brakes but then realized I should just floor it because I will most likely be run over by the "I-have-no-brakes" drivers.

Ken, I thought I had you cleared and gave you enough room to go side by side in T1. I don't know if you had anybody on your left though. I will have to check the replay again.

Cautions:

Well, some people need to learn to use their brakes. Once I got into the top 10, it was a lot better but out of the top 10, my rear bumper was hit a couple of times. I started driving with both feet at that point and out of the line. I was able to keep to 80 km/h most of the time but at the start the leaders accelerated and then dropped back to 80 km/h. I think that's what caused most of the passing before the S/F line.

[PMD9409]

No, Not pointed towards you, More towards people who got got passed me on restart lap 29! I stayed at speed untill green then passed before line. :shrug:

I watched that just now, and tbh, that was more your fault for being passed. You saw a SLOW car and decided to stand on the brakes, while you did that (30mph less than others) 2 people passed you. IMO you shouldn't have to slow down 30mph for a car off the pace.

[N I K I]

P.S. Pit stops were really fun. I was staying out waiting SC to show up again, but it didn't. I was kinda same speed as PMD so it was nice moment when i came back on track :)
TBH, There is way too many SC periods. Normally there should be just few, or a few, not this many. I had endu setup, with low camber... and never used potential of it, most laps driven were like 10 somewhere right on start of race, when i was faster then PMD cos of tires!
Also i had 8% fuel left at end because of SC periods :\

I have to change my opinion on this one.

I just counted and we had 5 SC periods, that's like maximal that is normal :)
Maybe I had feeling that it's too much because race was shorted.

[greg_slideways]

No Passing Before Line........

[Stefani24]

The ppl are just too stupid too brake, and crash then in the sc lines. PPL LEARN TO DRIVE UNDER SC. Otherwise it was great racing. finally got the xrt under control:nod:

[N I K I]

Also, Shank, the video proves that that could have happened if you guys were anywere close to the others, from what I remember after you guys jumped on the 'Pits now open' bind you were far from others and could have let go of the throttle and let people be at the same speed.

I'll just stop but in no way should passing before S/F line but this time I think it's really the 'pits now open' bind that mixed everything up.
There was GREEN FLAG massage on top of the screen left, and I'm 100% sure that I sow it, not Pits now open!


@ niki : Holy crap it's horrible being behind you on pace laps lol. Accelerate, slow down, accelerate, slow down, accelerate, slow down. :P
hehehe, my leg kinda started to hurt after so long in one position so i had to do something about it :P

[Mp3 Astra]

I did press the pit lane open bind about half a second before the green flag button. But half a second isn't the kind of time that causes a wreck like we saw.

[Falcon140]

No Passing Before Line........

Why are so gung-ho about penalizing people for something that, in the grand scheme of things, was your fault, and doesn't really matter..

The way you are talking, you expect that if the leader were to just stop, the rest of the field would have to stop...

[greg_slideways]

Becuase it wasnt my fualt, and it clearly states it in the rules.

[Falcon140]

Well, it wasn't theirs...

[PMD9409]

I did press the pit lane open bind about half a second before the green flag button. But half a second isn't the kind of time that causes a wreck like we saw.

It made some gas then brake (noticing it doesn't say green) then see the green and go again, this makes some people slower and in that case you would have to dodge the cars so you don't cause an accident (braking would of just caused and huge wreck in the back).
Becuase it wasnt my fualt, and it clearly states it in the rules.

It was your fault, there was no reason to slow down as much as you did, IMO if you are 10mph or more off everyone else's speed as the green comes out I would pass you too, because braking would just cause another crash.

[evilpimp]

It's not Greg's fault for following what the rules clearly state.

Rules say that you may not pass before the S/F line under any circumstances. Not you may not pass before the S/F line unless people are going really slowly.

Maybe the rules should be revised but if he did stay behind the car in front he didn't do anything bad.

@ PMD : Like I said I don't think it's his fault but the rules should maybe say something about that. All he did was follow the rules. You can't really blame him for it...

[PMD9409]

Well then the rules need an update in that department because those rules are just asking for wrecks on the restarts. What Greg did IMO was very foolish, the car in front was clearly off the pace and Greg just stood on the brake pedal. If you don't expect to be passed after standing on the brake pedal when you should be on the throttle then, well, you are not thinking too much.

[h3adbang3r]

Here's the replay for those who don't have it.

http://files.filefront.com/SRCUP2mpr/;10656572;/fileinfo.html

[greg_slideways]

Well then the rules need an update in that department because those rules are just asking for wrecks on the restarts. What Greg did IMO was very foolish, the car in front was clearly off the pace and Greg just stood on the brake pedal. If you don't expect to be passed after standing on the brake pedal when you should be on the throttle then, well, you are not thinking too much.
Not thinking...No i was thinking "let me follow the rules". Although I guess thats not right, I should follow what "I THINK the rules SHOULD be" (even though they are not the rules.)

Cant please LFS'ers either way. :shrug:

[PMD9409]

So if a car spins before he gets to the line would you wait for him to recover and pass the line? From what you are saying if you didn't wait you would get a penalty. In other words, the rules need to be updated for restarts.

[Fischfix]

as i have experienced a lot of this in my first 2 seasons of lfscar 360° cup with the GTR cars i can give you only one good advice for the series:

do not play around with penalties: everyone who is crashing under caution needs to be disqualified for the rest of the season. everyone who was passing under yellow and did not give back the places needs to be disqualified for the race. end of story. any other wrecking needs to be resulted in a disqualification of the race and if someone is doing it more then 2 times in a race, disqualify him from the series. (one time can be an accident - needs to be reviewed, two times is a bad driver - maybe needs to be kicked out, more times: wrecker - get rid of him.) and one more thing: do not make the same error as i did and let people compete in the series who were actually bad but were friends or relatives. even if its your father, grandpa or cousin or your best friend driving and he is a wrecker or does not understand the simple rules of oval racing, kick him out.

Its a league not a driving school!



its pretty simple, i needed 2 seasons to learn this lesson and this is the only way to go - at least at the beginning.

if the race was that awful, reward some points for the clean drivers and re-do it with the rule enforcements i've just discribed.

if you are not hard on this, i can assure this will happen:
all clean and safe drivers will pull out of the series because they are fed up with stupid noobs crashing during cautions. and you will either end up with an unfinished season due to lack of drivers or with a total mess every race.

be hard on the penalties and disqualify wreckers as soon as possible from the series!

if you are willing to do so, you will be rewarded with better races and better drivers for sure as people see you are taking it serious.

maybe you cancel the result of this race, reward some points for all clean drivers and get out all wreckers. then redo this race.


maybe we can also talk on rules in the series, as real world rules are not always practical in LFS (mainly caution and restart rules)

its practically not possible in lfs to have clean races when you allow passing only after the finish line when doing restarts. i changed rules in the 360 cup to the simple rule: the track is free as soon as the green flag comes out.
this will help you in preventing the cars from concertinas and brake-checking. the leader does not have that much power this way but driving as a whole is much safer.



when is the next race? i might help you with administration.:shrug:

[greg_slideways]

Ill say this a spin is differnt then slowing down. Slowing down needs to be done a spin keep going. And ill be the first to say i may not be the fastest driver but i am sure as hell clean.

[Fischfix]

Ill say this a spin is differnt then slowing down. Slowing down needs to be done a spin keep going. And ill be the first to say i may not be the fastest driver but i am sure as hell clean.


at the moment you are losing control of your car (spinning, going of track, whatever) you lose all rights of way on the track and at that point you are free to be passed even under caution. its up to the race marshalls to let you retake your position or not but most of the time you end up at that spot where you picked up enough speed to not being passed by the car behind you.

[greg_slideways]

at the moment you are losing control of your car (spinning, going of track, whatever) you lose all rights of way on the track and at that point you are free to be passed even under caution. its up to the race marshalls to let you retake your position or not but most of the time you end up at that spot where you picked up enough speed to not being passed by the car behind you.

Yes and I didnt spin nor did the guy i passed it was a slow down.

[Falcon140]

Why are we still arguing about this...

You slowed down unreasonably, and got passed... No penalties should be given...

[greg_slideways]

Why are we still arguing about this...

You slowed down unreasonably, and got passed... No penalties should be given...
Unreasonably...Are you out of you mind? A rule is there to follow not for only select few to listin to.

(Who does he think he is):really:

It's not Greg's fault for following what the rules clearly state.



Rules say that you may not pass before the S/F line under any circumstances. Not you may not pass before the S/F line unless people are going really slowly.

As he said I am not in the wrong, all i did was listin to a SET RULE

[PMD9409]

The thing is Greg, we (at least me) aren't saying you are in the wrong, I am saying that your situation is a prime example of why this rule is wrong. Fischfix's rule of making it a "free track" once the green comes out is not the best thing, but probably the best for LFS.

[lizardfolk]

The thing is Greg, we (at least me) aren't saying you are in the wrong, I am saying that your situation is a prime example of why this rule is wrong. Fischfix's rule of making it a "free track" once the green comes out is not the best thing, but probably the best for LFS.

I was hoping that I wouldn't have to resort to this but unfortunately I'm forced because of this low standard of driving.

Guys, give me a day and let me sort everything out. Racing was great except for the lapped car incident and the caution incidents. What happened there I have absolutely no idea...

I haven't watched the replay yet but I'll do so tomorrow



when is the next race? i might help you with administration.:shrug:

Fischfix, thank you for your advice and help, but unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to effectively contact you. I never see you on MSN.

[teedot]

The ppl are just too stupid too brake, and crash then in the sc lines. PPL LEARN TO DRIVE UNDER SC. Otherwise it was great racing. finally got the xrt under control:nod:

Like you should talk.... you were the cause of at least 5-6 incidents on track that i can think of off the top of my head without even looking at the replay. 3 of them with me alone... With the poor driving that you exhibited today, you should be booted from this league. You clearly do not have control over your vehicle and are a danger to others on track.

Anyways... the race was great up front until the mandatory pit window... that set me back to about 16th for a while.... where 100% of these incidents happened.

I honestly think that you guys should implement a cutoff time for qualifying. This would ensure that the drivers who are going to be IN the race are safe and able to control their vehicle. At least for the road course races...

[N I K I]

I've been thinking, and rule no passing before line is there only if leader dictates tempo. Why? Because not to make unfair positions.

In situations like this, where Green flag is dropped down, when cars are driving on certain speed, no passing before line has no sense!

Here is one example from last years IGTC, when guys had slow react on green flag and therefor they've been passed before line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ7M3RDt_ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-9kuIC8gG4

[HighRoad]

#12 N.Demec passed multiple cars before the S/F and Had an Incident with me on lap 20.
I left some space and then i speeded away and then there was green and i started passing guys...that was my tactics!About incident....that was my fault but i am sorry if i caused any harm to you ....but anyways u fliped it so it doesnt matter! =) have fun

[Toddshooter]

I honestly think that you guys should implement a cutoff time for qualifying. This would ensure that the drivers who are going to be IN the race are safe and able to control their vehicle. At least for the road course races...

Bad idea for us people that aren't really fast but are clean, and safe. I am not a really fast driver but I know how to save my tires and put in consistent times, so I can finish near the front if I don't get taken out by idiots!

[Fischfix]

i am on msn, icq and skype most of the day actually... msn keeps loging out from time to time so maybe thats the reason...

[TomShanK]

I have 2 ideas that will be posted in another thread. Feel free to read.


They're up.

[Stefani24]

Maybe i dont have the full contorl of the car, but pileups under caution is a no-go

[lizardfolk]

P.S. i just youtubed and there are lots of crashes in NASCAR on restarts and stuff like that, that's what makes it interesting lol

TBH Niki, NASCAR does allows passing before the start/finish line in certain conditions (has to be on the outside and only if there's slow traffic in front of you or a crash). But sometimes there's no room at all being NASCAR's 43 field and some ovals are just too small to pack all of those cars in start/finish line

[J@tko]

From what I saw, I think that one of the big causes of the SC pile-ups was everyone accelerating out of the corner onto the back straight. I even noticed in the practice races that you had to go up to 80mph to catch up with the safety car. By the time that the people right at the back had caught up, it was halfway down the back straight and IMO, that's what caused the pile ups - people coming in too fast into the train. Also, people at the back tend to be the ones that are more likely to cause a pile up anyway :shrug:

The accelerating effect also happened after the last corner too :shrug:

[Mp3 Astra]

This is why we did about an hour's worth of SC training before the event! It seems that it didn't teach most people much...

[TomShanK]

I Lurned hukd on phonx, and teh saftey car prctice did me good!

Seriously though, i watched as it helped a few people.

[mikey_G]

I made an application that is hopefully less error-prone and easier then what the race admins use now for race control messages:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=832606

If the admins need any tweaking to this program, just pm me.

[Mp3 Astra]

I made an application that is hopefully less error-prone and easier then what the race admins use now for race control messages:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=832606

If the admins need any tweaking to this program, just pm me.

Genius!

[N I K I]

When are points going to be done?