In the market for a new wheel

[kramerica]

Hey all,
looking to buy my first wheel, and need your help to decide.

I want to buy the cheapest wheel I can that will answer my demands (who doesn't?), so first of all some questions:

1. The high-end wheels offer 900 degrees of wheel rotation. With LFS races in mind, I can't imagine why this is necessary. I would think that 270 degrees is enough, and obviously I'm wrong. could someone explain it to me?

2. Rotation degrees aside, and focusing on FF. I want to feel the grip, I want to feel it when I'm losing grip, I want to feel under-steer. Would a simple FF wheel such as the Formula EX or Sidewinder provide it? How about a MOMO?

Thanks a lot for reading, and even more for answering...

[Gabkicks]

...I would think that 270 degrees is enough, and obviously I'm wrong. could someone explain it to me?...


Because when racing roadcars or some racecars, drivers steer more than 270 degrees of steering
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G-5R0wkNC8o
Infact, IIRC most tintop racecars dont have less than 540degrees of steering lock

f1 cars have around 400degrees of lock
http://youtube.com/watch?v=khxGCjNIcxc

Driving Force GT, G25, or the fanatec porsche wheel. those are 3 i would recommend, w/ the quality of the Porsche wheel probably being the best.

[master_lfs.5101]

ME!!!!--->> Go in store--->>> Buy momo--->>> Brake shifter--->>> Through it at brother--->>> Go to logitech.com--->>> Buy G25--->> wait 2 month for it to comes--->>> Me use g25!

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Me Happy!

[mutt107]

i use a Driving force pro and i will be getting a driving force gt soon so i would recommend driving force gt i have seen the review and it looks really well made :thumb:

[StableX]

Hey all,
looking to buy my first wheel, and need your help to decide.

I want to buy the cheapest wheel I can that will answer my demands (who doesn't?), so first of all some questions:

1. The high-end wheels offer 900 degrees of wheel rotation. With LFS races in mind, I can't imagine why this is necessary. I would think that 270 degrees is enough, and obviously I'm wrong. could someone explain it to me?

2. Rotation degrees aside, and focusing on FF. I want to feel the grip, I want to feel it when I'm losing grip, I want to feel under-steer. Would a simple FF wheel such as the Formula EX or Sidewinder provide it? How about a MOMO?

Thanks a lot for reading, and even more for answering...

my suggestion would be to go with a 2nd hand driving force pro from ebay as a very first wheel. See how you go with that and how you like it then get a better wheel from there.

[kramerica]

Thanks for your recommendations, but except Gabkicks who answered my first one (exactly what I needed to see), nobody answered the second. I know which wheels are available, and I've seen tons of reviews. I just need the answer for the second one (if anybody knows it of-course).

Again, thanks a lot to all of you.

[Töki (HUN)]

DFP is noisy as hell, G25 and Porsche are not. The last 2 wheels has pretty good FF, so you can fell all of those you mentioned in 1st post.

[NitroNitrous]

Any Logitech wheel has a nice force feedback, even my old Wingman Formula Force GP had it. If you are going to race single seaters, the Momo is a good option IMO. If you are going to race road cars, Driving Force Pro is the way to go, and if you have a budget about 220€ go to the nearest store and buy a G25 NOW :nod:
I had a DFP for 3 weeks with a FF joystick used as gear shifter. I also used an old NGS for the clutch pedal. Of course, nothing to do with the G25, but man, that did the job very well :)

[Nicocrank]

Hey all,

2. Rotation degrees aside, and focusing on FF. I want to feel the grip, I want to feel it when I'm losing grip, I want to feel under-steer. Would a simple FF wheel such as the Formula EX or Sidewinder provide it? How about a MOMO?

Thanks a lot for reading, and even more for answering...



i have a real delimma like u with my 1 of the drivers in th real life Go-Karts league i race in , what is the debate

its me Having G25 against other driver who like me race online but on RFACTOR , and hes got MOMO F1.

i say G25 is the bomb with 900* a clutch, 6speed shifter , stainless leather blablabla , he keep saying yeah i tried it once at a frendly LAN race and its really something , it blows ur sense and feel , when its set properlly. BUT, he keeps saying for My driving style and what i drive , its rubbish .
G25 has not enough buttons on the steering, 900* is useless when i race 450° 270° steering lock ratio Formula cars or Touring on Rfactor.........

i am more drifter , and OEM type of Driver then Full on Race Ready battle Machine , at 20K a set of tires


THE Result
G25 : if u Like Doing Donuts
MoMo F1 : if ur into precission asphalt cutting

Both will makes u sweat in their own way


go check this 1 , i know its in PS2-3 but its works on PC

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_3/devices/4172&cl=ca,en
http://insidesimracing.tv/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=125&Itemid=184



45°//Crank

[[RF]-art555]

you don't have to use G25 in 900* mode all the time, you can always set it to the corresponing lock values of cars you race in. Some people doesn't seem to understand that G25 is not just a DFP with leather grip, 3 pedals and a shifter, the whole FFB and quality of the wheel and pedal is step forward compared to DFP/Momo.
G25 is a great wheel, so is a DFP (or DF GT now), its up to your budget to decide which one to get :)

[oqvist]

I never ever use 900 Degrees it´s just pointless. Even in sims where you can set the steering lock to compensate. 560 is absolute max you ever "need" it´s just awkward to have to steer 450 degrees to take a hairpin lol.

As for the 2nd...

Well I don´t feel when I am loosing the grip while locking my tires or shifting gears on the G25 so I have to say 911 here. DFP may show this as well I would expect it to using a single force feedback motor. G25 has a force feedback deadzone in the center which I suspect is the dual force feedback engines fighting eachother they felt forced to go this route... That is just speculation though.

Of course the DFP is cheaper but I think you would be much happier spending the cash on a 911 turbo wheel. It´s smoother have a much better grip, both the feel holding and the force feedback better resembles the real cars I run for sure.

[Gabkicks]

what if it's realistic to have to steer so much to take a hairpin? f1 cars have to use almost full lock on tracks like monaco. and old historic race cars, and even the 2000 subaru wrc car had over 900 degrees of steering wheel lock.

[[RF]-art555]

what if it's realistic to have to steer so much to take a hairpin? f1 cars have to use almost full lock on tracks like monaco. and old historic race cars, and even the 2000 subaru wrc car had over 900 degrees of steering wheel lock.
Personally I've set my wheel to 720* and LFS does the rest with cars I drive :)

[oqvist]

formula one cars generally has 560 degrees of travel. But this is adjusted according to the driver preferences ;). So one driver can use 560 while another use 460 for example. You should use what feels best for you and for me 900 degrees doesn´t feel good in any car :).

[Gabkicks]

iirc, some older racecars were limited in how low they could go. like the 2000 subaru wrc car could only go as low as 900degrees before they ran into problems iirc.

[ajp71]

iirc, some older racecars were limited in how low they could go. like the 2000 subaru wrc car could only go as low as 900degrees before they ran into problems iirc.

What are you going on about? The ratio of rotations on the wheel to angle steered at the wheels is easily changeable by changing the rack and pinion or steering box.

For sim racing I wouldn't have said degrees of rotation is much other than a silly fad, I use 270 degrees of lock with both my DFP (with Frex upgrade) and Fanatec 911 wheel. Force feedback wheels simply aren't fast enough to be of any real use over about 400 degrees and if you really insist on using such high steering ranges then you'll need to turn FF right down or off to stop it being prohibitive.

Personally I'd have said that if you can afford it go for the DFP or Momo level wheel as the cheaper Logitech wheels will break pretty quickly.

[Gabkicks]

meh i read it somewhere on the intertubes. i can't find the article now. the article i read before claimed there was some reason for them only being able to go down to a certain number.
this says it was 720 http://xoticcars.8k.com/cars/impreza_wrc/index.html

and driving using 540 degrees or more w/ roadcars or other cars that have the same lock IRL isnt that hard...

[[RF]-art555]

and driving using 540 degrees or more w/ roadcars or other cars that have the same lock IRL isnt that hard...
agree...
It takes some time to get used to, and both ways have their advantages.

When you're using low amount of lock it gives you the advantage of easiness of catching slides etc. but on the other hand it gets much easier to apply too much lock.

Using high amount of lock makes catching slides a bit harder, but you rarely need to apply full lock to countersteer so most of slides are easily correctable without changing position of your hands on the wheel. Also the extra lock gives you more precisness and slides are easier to avoid, and front tyres aren't punished as hard with over steering. Thats the diffirencies I noticed when changed to 720*. Also the fun factor is reason too, just driving with 720*, clutch and Shifter is fun by itself. Personally I want LFS to represent driving as close as it possible to RL, not to be the fastest, thus use my G25 to its full potential. I've set profiler to 720* and turn compensation to 0 in LFS so I only use 720* where cars have it and I have no problems with it :)
just my :twocents: