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Scawen

7th June 2008, 21:10

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST

Hello Racers.

Here is a new compatible Test Patch, Y22.

By using the same Hardware Vertex Shading system as the car body, the subobjects (steering wheel, gearstick, brakes, mudguards, etc) now make better use of your graphics card, saving CPU time and increasing your frame rate on most computers. Those that do not experience much frame rate increase should find it is smoother and more consistent. Also there are small graphical improvements as a side effect of this change. You should find that the pit-out glitch is reduced a little as well.

All the reported Y20 bugs should be fixed. See below for the full list of changes.

REPLAY CONTROLS :

Multiplayer replays now have the same interface as single player replays.
They loop and the Escape Menu is available while watching.
Also, replay controls have been added. A timeline is visible when you move the mouse.
You can click anywhere on the timeline and the replay will go back or forward to that point.

Some new keys have been added :

1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
2) SPACE to pause / unpause during a replay (same as P)
3) ESCAPE to break out of fast forwarding
4) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)

DEMO LICENSE SYSTEM :

User name and password are now required to go online in DEMO.
DEMO / S1 / S2 all appear in the same List of Hosts.

NOTE to DEMO users :

- You will need to set a GAME password at www.lfs.net to go online
- Log in and click on "account details" to set your GAME password
- You will not see older demo hosts (Y to Y16) in the list of hosts
- You will see new demo hosts and demo compatible S1 / S2 hosts

NOTE to S1 users :

- You will see all S1 and S1 compatible S2 hosts in the list of hosts

NOTE to HOSTS :

- Hosts in S2 mode - no difference, compatible, all S2 users can join
- Hosts in Demo or S1 mode - all S2 users (test patch or official)
and Demo / S1 test patch users will be able to see your host
- Official patch Demo and S1 users will not see your host

OTHER IMPORTANT CHANGES :

- Chinese, Japanese and Korean Translations
- All tracks now use JPG textures for adverts
- Various fixes including a South City hot lapping issue
- Full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are now supported

Changes in TEST PATCH Y22 :

FIX : Crash when entering SHIFT+U mode in certain circumstances

Changes in TEST PATCH Y21 :

Improved frame rates - subobjects now use hardware vertex shading
Improved sky rendering - less distortion, small frame rate increase
Smarter level of detail calculations for best detail and frame rate
On local network hosts only - false start no longer causes spectate
Driver names are now directly above car with no acceleration offset
Controls setup now includes sensitivity multipliers for mouse axes
FIX : Invisible scenery after paused fast forward in SHIFT+U mode
FIX : Inaccurate remote cars lap time after passing a split in MPR
FIX : Look buttons and rotate view did not work during a paused MPR
FIX : SHIFT+C (controllers) SHIFT+W (sound) keys now work in replay
FIX : Replay time bar keeps its clicked width while fast forwarding
FIX : In paused replay , and . keys performed two functions at once
FIX : Autocross / drag can no longer be selected in hotlapping mode
FIX : Host name code page error after clicking name in List of Hosts
FIX : Enter pits "Could not load colours" after renaming car colours
FIX : It was possible to move the default colour slider bars in pits
FIX : Two button clicks in one frame could be bad - now not possible

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista

Changes in TEST PATCH Y20 :

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
MPR fast forwarding is now approximately five times quicker
Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
Replay controls appear when mouse is over them or start of replay
Connections / race positions / pedals are visible beside controls
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : Slider action is now cancelled on pressing ESC, T, etc.
FIX : Replay controls appeared for a moment at start of intro
FIX : Replay controls were shown during training lesson replay
FIX : Replay OOS error now breaks out of fast forwarding state
FIX : Mirror position correction was missed in load of most cars
FIX : Escape from car select screen resulted in black backgrounds
FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Sky / sea / default ground was black with wide screen effect
FIX : SHIFT+U visible objects list is now updated after forwarding
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : Error message spamming when moving a default setup slider bar
FIX : Mouse look deactivated if mouse available (even if invisible)

Changes in TEST PATCH Y19 :

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible when mouse moves during replay
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR

Interface :

Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours

Misc :

New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI not correctly limited when using the /ai command

Changes in TEST PATCH Y18 :

Licensed demo racers system and unified List of Hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts with Demo / S1 content
Demo racers see automatically downloaded skins (but can't upload)
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Code page issues in meeting room text

Changes from Y to Y16 :

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Translatable lesson names - start text file with @Lesson Name
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"

Graphics :

Reduced stray pixels at edges of textures
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)

Multiplayer :

New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Fixes :

FIX : Replay could open reversed configuration in DEMO
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands

DOWNLOADS :

PATCH Y19 TO Y22 (IF YOU ALREADY HAD TEST PATCH Y19) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y19_TO_Y22.exe (1 MB)

PATCH Y TO Y22 (UPGRADE FROM OFFICIAL VERSION Y) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y_TO_Y22.exe (5 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y22.zip (1.5 MB)

Windows XP : East Asian Language Support / Font Installation

LFS does not support double byte characters with Windows 98 / ME. Windows XP and Vista should work well but you may need to install fonts.

If you have Windows XP and currently cannot see the East Asian translations, here's how to set up your computer so it works.
See the attachment - in Control Panel click on "Regional and Language Options" then under the "Languages" tab select "Install files for East Asian Languages".
Windows will probably ask you to get your XP CD and the fonts will be installed from it.

This is important even if you do not use Chinese, Japanese or Korean translations so you can see East Asian text and player names correctly when you are online.

nesrulz

7th June 2008, 21:14

Thx for faster and smoother! :thumb:

Takumi_lfs

7th June 2008, 21:14

Wow, thanks!

SpikeyMarcoD

7th June 2008, 21:18

I have some issues with skin downloading. I use the downloadservice.
I think it started with Y.
LFS complains about a skin having to much data and the car involved stays white. It seems random skin but persistent throughout a session.

here is a pic.

shaun463

7th June 2008, 21:19

Thanks a bunch Scawen!

RacerAsh3

7th June 2008, 21:26

Great work! Totally noticeable! And ive got 10 more FPS than normal.

dougie-lampkin

7th June 2008, 21:27

I still have the problem of AA/AF not turning off when I de-select it in-game, even after restarting. Very annoying, as with everything turned on, in a big pack my FPS can go really low :( Means I have to re-install LFS everytime I need to disable AA/AF...

The changes that were made are brilliant however, very nice work :thumb: An extra 20FPS here :D

J@tko

7th June 2008, 21:42

Thanks Scawen - my fps is truly shocking and this will help alot - bout to give it a try :)

Flame CZE

7th June 2008, 21:43

Scawen

7th June 2008, 21:46

I still have the problem of AA/AF not turning off when I de-select it in-game, even after restarting.How does reinstalling LFS help?

Ok, so... you can't turn off the AA/AF in LFS, even though it seems to switch off?

But you say resintalling LFS does cure it? That sounds quite strange. How about just renaming the cfg.txt and card_cfg.txt files? That should have as much effect as installing a fresh copy. Please let me know if this has any better effect than just turning it off in the options.

Forbin

7th June 2008, 21:46

NOT a bug report

I think the real important thing here is the minimum framerate is boosted by quite a bit. I could care less if I get an extra 50 fps on the top end if I'm already getting 150.

I did a quick test with 20 AI. Minimum framerates were as follows:

CPU: C2D 2.13GHz (2MB L2)
GPU: 9800GTX

Y20 on the grid: 31 fps
Y21 on the grid: 54 fps
Y20 in T1: 23 fps
Y21 in T1: 35 fps

VERY nice gains. Thanks Scawen!!! :)

dougie-lampkin

7th June 2008, 21:49

What I mean is, I disable it in options, and the buttons show it as disabled, but in-game there's still AA/AF, and my FPS doesn't increase. I've checked my card's AA/AF settings, and they are application controlled.

When I say re-install LFS, I mean replace LFS.exe, cfg.txt and card_cfg.txt with those from another install that never had AA/AF enabled. Then it is turned off :shrug:

After renaming those 2 files and starting LFS, it took me through the setup screens, but AA/AF was still "on" in-game, as in I could see it on the cars, but in settings only 1X AF was on. That's strange :confused:

JVL

7th June 2008, 21:50

thanks Scawen! :thumb:

Gil07

7th June 2008, 21:51

You should find that the pit-out glitch is reduced a little as well.

What is meant with "the pit-out glitch"? :)

Furiously-Fast

7th June 2008, 21:51

I'm getting a 10fps increase, so thats a tick on smoother.

I'm getting the same times on drag races, so no tick on Faster. great work though. Anyone else getting cars that have higher detailing on the wheels?

Jakg

7th June 2008, 21:52

w00t!

If only I had a PC to play this on :(

Scawen

7th June 2008, 21:54

What I mean is, I disable it in options, and the buttons show it as disabled, but in-game there's still AA/AF, and my FPS doesn't increase. I've checked my card's AA/AF settings, and they are application controlled.

When I say re-install LFS, I mean replace LFS.exe, cfg.txt and card_cfg.txt with those from another install that never had AA/AF enabled. Then it is turned off :shrug:Please can you tell me what these two lines in your cfg.txt say, both after and before the bug?

- Antialiasing
- Mip Filter

By before and after I mean, I'd like to see what those lines say before you turn on AA / AF (when everything is ok) and also what they say after you have got it "stuck on" (the reported bug).

Flame CZE

7th June 2008, 21:54

What is meant with "the pit-out glitch"? :)

imo when somebody leaves pits.. the little lag

r4ptor

7th June 2008, 21:55

This weekend is getting better and better :elefant:

Scawen

7th June 2008, 21:56

What is meant with "the pit-out glitch"? :)A small hesitation when you are driving and someone else joins the race.

Shotglass

7th June 2008, 21:59

very nice as forbin said the framerates are now always firmly in the playable range

and thanks for finally fixing that name inertia... i always though it was intended behaviour so i never reported it

dougie-lampkin

7th June 2008, 22:00

Please can you tell me what these two lines in your cfg.txt say, both after and before the bug?

- Antialiasing
- Mip Filter

By before and after I mean, I'd like to see what those lines say before you turn on AA / AF (when everything is ok) and also what they say after you have got it "stuck on" (the reported bug).

Sure.

Before AA/AF are on, after renaming cfg.txt and card_cfg.txt:

Antialiasing 0
Mip Filter 1

While AA/AF are on normally, after being enabled:

Antialiasing 6
Mip Filter 16

After turning them off, even though it's still visible in-game:

Antialiasing 0
Mip Filter 0

Which is really weird...In the ATI panel, under both DirectX and OpenGL, AA and AF are both set to application controlled. Yet after turning them both off in LFS, my FPS stays the same, and the cars are still anti-aliased :confused:

Also, as I edited in my second post, AA is 0 and AF is 1 on a clean install, yet I can still see AA on the cars...

Kid222

7th June 2008, 22:07

I love you, seriously. My old rig loves you too, got much more FPS now. I will test it properly later, when i get sober. Thank you again.

mcgas001

7th June 2008, 22:18

Scawen - I'm sorry to post here(I just see no other place since the previous thread was locked), but there is still speed hackers in lfs. I'm not sure what you did to the cheat protection system but I downloaded Y21 to test FPS changes etc etc, Went to ConeDodgers 1 (Theres normally a lot of people there, so good for testing), And a guy was speedhacking. He was only using it in very small bursts but it was definitely speedhacking. I have the replay avaliable if anyone needs it.

[Edit] - This is in no way a criticism, I'm just saying, People are still using the same cheat online and they need to be banned from everywhere possible.

Hoshimodo

7th June 2008, 22:31

Wow, nice patch.......about 10-15 more fps on my system. Thanks :thumb:

LiveForBoobs

7th June 2008, 22:32

Thank you Scawen! I almost doubled my FPS and you listened to my comment about a spelling mistake. Seems like nothing but shows that you really care about making the best possible racing simulator ever.

You rock :thumb::D:)

AndroidXP

7th June 2008, 22:33

Very nice! On a 19 player South City FBM MPR the average framerate has gone up considerably :thumb:
Though the LOD levels now look quite different - the wheels very quickly change into a grey cylinder. Guess I'll up the LOD setting a bit...
Y20: 2008-06-07 23:27:29 - LFS
Frames: 3284 - Time: 82859ms - Avg: 39.633 - Min: 28 - Max: 52

Y21: 2008-06-07 23:24:47 - LFS
Frames: 3930 - Time: 82797ms - Avg: 47.465 - Min: 35 - Max: 60

E: 19 player AI race on BL1

Y20: 2008-06-07 23:41:18 - LFS
Frames: 2812 - Time: 93922ms - Avg: 29.939 - Min: 19 - Max: 40

Y21: 2008-06-07 23:38:53 - LFS
Frames: 3262 - Time: 94032ms - Avg: 34.690 - Min: 19 - Max: 47

chanoman315

7th June 2008, 22:34

Nadeo4441

7th June 2008, 22:50

AWESOME ! I love you . i have about + 40 fps

Kristjan.J

7th June 2008, 23:00

Amazing update, thanks alot! Keep up the good work! :thumb:

Scawen

7th June 2008, 23:08

Scawen, concerning the bug i found. in Y20 you didnt understand.
I sent a replay to JVL (Username above), SPR (Single Player not hotlap) and he was using standard P.Y, and I was using Y20, he couldnt see the Replay because he had OOS Error (No cheating), then he sent me his replay, and I got OOS error too.
Not sure why tough.
Should I attach the replays or it's worthless now Y21 is out?OK, one thing I was confused about in your first report is you mentioned "layout" and I wasn't sure if you mean the OOS happened if there was an autocross layout.

I'm surprised that an SPR is OOS - I have done thorough OOS checking in most patches - but only with hotlap replays. I think if the problem still exists (so Y21 can play your Y20 replay that goes OOS on Y) then it would be good to post them and I'll see if I can find out what is wrong. Maybe if you have a little time, you could do a simple test with your friend, try a few different things and swap replays, to see what are the conditions for it going OOS.

For example, if wind is disabled or enabled, if there are autocross objects, if ai cars must be in the race. What is the thing that has to be there to make a Y SPR go OOS in Y21?

There must be something about the single player race, different from hotlapping, that makes it go OOS compared with Y. If you could narrow it down a bit for me that would be great. Thanks!

okijuhans

7th June 2008, 23:10

Fantastic !

chanoman315

7th June 2008, 23:11

Well, i think he updated to Y21, because he couldnt play my replay.
But i have his replay, and mine i replaced with one in Y21.
In the time i try to contact him and see if he has the Y20 one, i will post it.
Here's his replay Standard Y

GeForz

7th June 2008, 23:38

Meanie

7th June 2008, 23:52

Ok, now that's just some great programming! :)
Thanks a lot, Scawen. Great work!

I did a quick test with a replay here:

On Y20, last car on the grid. I had 58fps.
Now on Y21, I've got 71fps.
While on the same first lap where once I had 69fps, now I'm above 85fps.

That's just fantastic!

wien

8th June 2008, 00:04

Beautiful work. With full AA/AF I'm now completely GPU limited at the back of a grid full of Formula BMWs with the physics paused (~85% load on one CPU core). In Y20 it was the other way around with GPU usage around 85% with the CPU pegged.

Same grid without AA/AF is CPU limited, but yields about 15 FPS more (~45 to ~60). :)

Mithras

8th June 2008, 00:09

Well, I'm back, but nobody remembers me as evidenced by the amount of people that didn't even recognize my name online :shrug:

First off, I'd like to say that after months of not even touching the dusty LFS install on my computer at all, I'm happy to see test patches already put into action and the devs working at it again.

In regards to Y21, I found that my FPS barely increased, if at all. I'm running a Pentium 4, 256MB RAM, and an ATi Radeon 9600 128MB and there hasn't been much improvement in frames. It's tolerable for now but I can't join any loaded grids or serious races without being forced to spec or leave.

I also found a small bug in relation to the horn. If the engine of the car is running, holding the horn button as long as you want will obviously make the horn run as long as you are holding the button. But when the engine is completely off (RPM at 0), holding the horn button down makes for a short few-second horn burst. After a few seconds, the horn stops and you have to release and push the horn button again for it to sound. Just a small bug.

Anyways, it's nice to be back to LFS. Been a looooong time :thumb:

Mark

wien

8th June 2008, 00:12

In regards to Y21, I found that my FPS barely increased, if at all.That would be your graphics card holding you back. If you were GPU limited before you probably won't see any improvements in FPS. With a recent driver you may see a drop in CPU usage though. :)

RiGun

8th June 2008, 00:26

I have less FPS in my old PC, the problems seems be due to the increased minimun graphics options, the lowest graphic settings are a lot higher that before or at least in my PC it is, LOD doen't seem to affect much now =/ for example in Y20 with minimum LOD tyre deformation wasn't drawn and now with the same settings it is.

wildwilly

8th June 2008, 00:27

great patch thanks a lot
im now getting twice the framerate at the back of a full grid of AI. went from 35-40fps up to 70-80fps. Long live the provider.

Shotglass

8th June 2008, 00:41

In regards to Y21, I found that my FPS barely increased, if at all. I'm running a Pentium 4, 256MB RAM, and an ATi Radeon 9600 128MB and there hasn't been much improvement in frames. It's tolerable for now but I can't join any loaded grids or serious races without being forced to spec or leave.

im pretty sure that almost completely your rams fault
lfs usually will use more than half of your available ram... add the os and a few background processes to that and your computer will spend all its cycles paging

shashdev

8th June 2008, 00:58

Just a question for Scawen:

Not to make you hurry up or anything (cause the more test patches there are the better), but is there a planned number of test patches before patch z comes out?

Or is there more like a point which you want to reach (some objective you want to achieve) before you do patch z?

Thanks!

Rafael Facchini

8th June 2008, 01:03

:thumb:

Verry Nice

T.J.

8th June 2008, 01:10

Sure.

Before AA/AF are on, after renaming cfg.txt and card_cfg.txt:

Antialiasing 0
Mip Filter 1

While AA/AF are on normally, after being enabled:

Antialiasing 6
Mip Filter 16

After turning them off, even though it's still visible in-game:

Antialiasing 0
Mip Filter 0

Which is really weird...In the ATI panel, under both DirectX and OpenGL, AA and AF are both set to application controlled. Yet after turning them both off in LFS, my FPS stays the same, and the cars are still anti-aliased :confused:

Also, as I edited in my second post, AA is 0 and AF is 1 on a clean install, yet I can still see AA on the cars...

Rename the LFS.exe and try.. Solved this problem in my case..

Riders Motion

8th June 2008, 01:41

Is it me or the rims are looking like rims now? They seems to shine more than they were anytiem before. I dont know if that was accidental or not but anyway thanks for that. :p

Trekkerfahrer

8th June 2008, 01:54

I have a problem. Sometimes when I press Shift+U, game will crash... but good work!

edit: this happens only if im pressing one of the pedals
edit2: oh so i am wrong... i dont know when this happens

edit3: looks like it doesnt happen anymore...

online shift+u doesn`t work since i patched on y21 --> game crashes onto desktop.

offline all is fine, no problems

edit: server is y0 and client y21

Michael Denham

8th June 2008, 01:56

Thanks for another great patch. I notice at least a 10FPS improvement on my machine, and LFS is looking better than ever :)

ImportFantasy

8th June 2008, 02:01

Awesome update Scawen!

JasonJ

8th June 2008, 02:38

I have a problem. Sometimes when I press Shift+U, game will crash... but good work!

edit: this happens only if im pressing one of the pedals
edit2: oh so i am wrong... i dont know when this happens

edit3: looks like it doesnt happen anymore...I can replicate this. It's difficult because you need at least 12 AI's and your own car on track and you must be in the correct view and focused on the correct car.

I used single player mode, 12 AI's and myself. I was at rear of grid and pressed Shift-U - crashed. (crashed on SO1 and AS5R, it might also crash on others to but not tested.)
And it only seemed to crash when in chase view, heli view or TV view! See, really hard to replicate?
If you pause first then press Shift-U it will not crash, but will sometimes will crash when you unpause. I cannot figure out the conditions for the unpause to crash it.

Crash report
58148

Also crashes in the SPR with same config, but I must be focused on my own car. (in 13th place) 58149
Press shift-U on the last car (mine) in the start grid. Must be in Chase, Heli or TV view.

Tried with my car further up the grid, it would only crash when focused on car last in the grid.

I tried with more AI's (18) and my own car in last position and it doesn't seem to crash. Then tried my car in 13th place - crash. Seemed it would crash when focused on the 13th car and pressing Shift-U. Must be in TV, Heli, Chase view.

Person settings info:
Managed to crash in both windowed and full screen modes. It crashed regardless if I used Application Managed full AA/AF or forced AA/AF from ATI driver profiler.
58150

PentiumD 3.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, (AGP) x1950 pro ATI, WinXP SP2

Hope this helps. Nice work on the patch.

Edit: I noticed it didn't crash on the AS5 normal direction. So I did some tests:
Clear Day OR Cloudy
AS1- Crash
AS1R No Crash

AS2- No Crash
AS2R Crash

AS3- No Crash
AS3R Crash

AS4- No Crash
AS4R Crash

AS5- No Crash
AS5R Crash

AS6- No Crash
AS6R Crash

AS7- Crash
AS7R No Crash
It appears to occur on Aston when the car is facing south on the map on the start grid.

SamH

8th June 2008, 02:41

im pretty sure that almost completely your rams fault
lfs usually will use more than half of your available ram... add the os and a few background processes to that and your computer will spend all its cycles paging
I would totally agree with this assessment, Mithras. 256MB of RAM is going to be very problematic for anything these days, and it's a needless limitation. RAM these days is very cheap. You could probably get some decent matched RAM for a very few $, and you'll be astounded at the performance difference of your PC, whether you're running Win98 or XP.

I only have 1GB in an AMD64 3000+ on XP, but I'm pretty keen on keeping background processes down to a minimum and I have a 6800GT. In South City, where I suffered my worst framerates, I've seen my FPS almost double tonight, with Y21, in the traditionally worse parts of the track (back of the grid, where I always am, on the pit straight). This test patch is like Christmas to me! ty Scawen :)

Michael Denham

8th June 2008, 02:48

Wow, that's great Sam. This is another good step forwards for LFS, and one step closer to S2 final! :)

DeadWolfBones

8th June 2008, 04:17

I'm probably in the minority on this one, but I'm not liking the new shiny rims. Matte FTW!

Aside from that, fantastic patch. :thumb:

imthebestracerthereis

8th June 2008, 04:45

saving CPU time and increasing your frame rate on most computers.

ding ding, downloading

Inouva

8th June 2008, 05:25

Awsome patch , 10 - 16 + fps that before

In Aston with a grid of 26 cars before Y21 15fps , Now with y21 20-24 fps

Amazing!

T.J.

8th June 2008, 07:31

I got a 50-60 FPS improvement :D

Dalek0220

8th June 2008, 07:45

I'm still to try it out, but I estimate that on my PC Kyoto will be at about 100 (It's usually at 60).

Oh and, yay for realistic rims!

okijuhans

8th June 2008, 07:49

Yea, the rims have less shiny reflections on and it makes them perfect, more real. I like the patch. Thanks Scawen and other devs.

Drift King CZ

8th June 2008, 08:17

I would like to try it, but what am I going to do, when I have already Y20?

okijuhans

8th June 2008, 08:21

I upgraded my LFS from Y20 :P

Found something - alt tabbed a bit too.

http://pes.pri.ee/kraam/bug.PNG

Drift King CZ

8th June 2008, 08:22

Upgraded from Y20 too. What car is it?

SpikeyMarcoD

8th June 2008, 08:23

Have seen these glitches before, mainly on the mirrors. Not a new phenomenon

okijuhans

8th June 2008, 08:23

Fxo.

Drift King CZ

8th June 2008, 08:30

When I take FXO, use SHIFT+U and set up same camera as you had... then I go to windows and back... There is just a black space. No tachometres. After ending shift+u mode all is ok.

The Very End

8th June 2008, 08:43

There is a big improvement in this patch regargind FPS.
Playing 32 car AI field (using that rename and load grid trick), and still I get 60-70FPS from the last car veiw. This is at least 20 fps more than earlier! Great work :)

mxpxun

8th June 2008, 08:54

Nice, thx scawen , i like how looks new main menu :thumb: we need to change all menus like that, and i am still asking you to let us translate interface menu :)
P.S. AF isnt working for me my video card is gf fx 5200, video drivers 6.14.11.6375

ddd9022

8th June 2008, 09:54

Thx for patch. No framerate improvement when there is 1-2 cars on the grid, but when its full grid of bots, lfs atleast doesnt hangs, like it did this before this patch :D
btw, i dont like steering wheel reflection. Its a little bit ugly :)
And, "neon rims" mod doesnt work anymore :(

Mrwei

8th June 2008, 10:02

Thanks what you have done@:nod::nod:

NitroNitrous

8th June 2008, 10:04

Hey Scawen, I had Y19, I upgraded with Y19toY21 patch and a font error appeared launching the game. But I used the YtoY21 and all goes well. Maybe that´s usefull.

Thanks very much :thumb:

Edit: The fps increasement is very noticeable.

Before (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54071&d=1208297943) - After (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/752/lfs2008060810195101wg2.jpg)
Before (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54072&d=1208297943) - After (http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1253/lfs2008060810195271vk5.jpg)
Before (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=54074&d=1208297943) - After (http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7966/lfs2008060810195704xe3.jpg)

Scawen

8th June 2008, 10:27

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Well, i think he updated to Y21, because he couldnt play my replay.
But i have his replay, and mine i replaced with one in Y21.
In the time i try to contact him and see if he has the Y20 one, i will post it.
Here's his replay Standard YOK, I know the answer now. This is because the autocross track area was updated in one of these test patches. So, that means all version Y single player replays should be in sync, except the ones at skid pad / drag strip / autocross.

I have less FPS in my old PC, the problems seems be due to the increased minimun graphics options, the lowest graphic settings are a lot higher that before or at least in my PC it is, LOD doen't seem to affect much now =/ for example in Y20 with minimum LOD tyre deformation wasn't drawn and now with the same settings it is.Does your graphics card support hardware vertex shading? If not then that is what you need - and HVS has been around so long, such a "modern" graphics card would cost nothing (if you can find one second hand). People are probably now throwing away as scrap, graphics cards that are fine for LFS.

I can replicate this. It's difficult because you need at least 12 AI's and your own car on track and you must be in the correct view and focused on the correct car.

[ ... lots of information ... ]

Hope this helps. Nice work on the patch.Special thanks for the detailed crash report, reproduction method and crash address.

PLAYLIFE

8th June 2008, 10:28

Dear Scawen, my FPS with loads of AI cars on screen got a big boost. Therefore, I ask you to please increase the number of AI cars possible in a single race. As the middle of June draws closer every day new GeForce graphics cards will be launched again very soon and also the LeMans race will be held. I would love to be able to race on my own computer a LeMans type race where I have slower cars and faster cars. However, if I make ten cars to be the slow ones, I will only have ten cars to race in my own group with :(

Thus, I understand that you would like to get applause for this big FPS boost, and you deserve it, but could you now convert it to more AI cars? Ideally, the number of additional AI cars on screen should be equal to the gain you made + some more, because the last time you increased their number was like a year ago and computers have evolved since. And I know you want to make in the future this parts flying off thing etc. But that will again be like one year from now, so players will not take a big hit because by then computers will become more faster.

(I guess asking for more forced pit stops (with possibly defined pit windows) is out of question so we could run a DTM type race?)

NitroNitrous

8th June 2008, 10:36

Well, I have a problem. If I type Shift+U the game closes unless I use the default view :scratchch

Kid222

8th June 2008, 11:14

LFS crashed 3 times, once it was in main menu, while clicking on button, two times in online game, both when i tried to accelerate.

aroX123

8th June 2008, 11:23

Mine crashed to when i was singleplayer
I took 20 ai with fxr and i was specing the guy start 1st and then it crashed, before the ligths I think it was just when the ai accelerate.

Edit: When it crashed the sound was going over and over again

Dmt

8th June 2008, 11:36

In Y20 I had fps +30 with full grid, now I have -20 with full grid :shrug:

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 11:40

And your PC specs are?

Scawen

8th June 2008, 12:04

OK, I couldn't leave a crash in there, so here's the fix, Y22.

If you had Y21 already then you just need the Y19 to Y22 patch.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44067

Trekkerfahrer

8th June 2008, 12:06

on my "small" machine (c2d e6750 @ 2,6ghz, 2gb ram, nv 9600GT) i got a huge fps improvement of about 40-60 fps (on starting grid about 15-20 fps).

on my "big" machine (c2q q9450 @ 2,6ghz, 4gb ram, 2x nv 9600GT) i got about 20-30fps (on starting grid about 5-10 fps).

very good work scawen!

the only problems i noticed was good reported by jason

edit: no problems with shift+u since y22 anymore ;) thx scawen!

BullHorn

8th June 2008, 12:32

Sounds good. Maybe it'll fix my stuttering problem, who knows. I'll go test it.

Rascar13

8th June 2008, 12:40

Better framrates sounds great :scratchch

Smolar

8th June 2008, 12:51

I'm probably in the minority on this one, but I'm not liking the new shiny rims. Matte FTW!
I'm with you :)

LewX

8th June 2008, 12:53

Cant use this with my g25 wheel propertly.

Throttle and brake get put on RZ axis in game and i cant put them on their own axis (Slider 0 and 1).

Secondly, the steering turns 720 degrees ingame but my actual [physical] wheel only turns 90 degrees. In profiler its set to 720 and ingame its set to 720 but it still persists.

Any ideas?
Thanks

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 12:55

neRu

8th June 2008, 12:56

BUG: When you use the comma and period for singleframing in replay, youre force feedback settings get changed as well :)

ldriver

8th June 2008, 13:07

Scawen , your dedication is very impressive , although my interest in LFS is fading i always appreciate a new patch and i particularly like the way you listen to the community .
Big thanks for all the work you put in this great sim:thumbsup:

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 13:08

BUG: When you use the comma and period for singleframing in replay, youre force feedback settings get changed as well :)
Nope, this has been fixed in Y21!

jonny__27

8th June 2008, 13:09

I installed now the Y21 patch, but my average FPS count actually dropped in certain sittuations (tested it a few times to be sure of it).

Running alone in BL1:
Before the Y21 patch: ~40fps
With the Y21 patch: ~35fps

With me at the back of the grid + 9 AI racers it remains the same: ~20 on the grid and ~25 racing.

My computer:
AMD Sempron 2800+ 2.0Ghz
Geforce FX 5200 128MB
512MB RAM DDR400

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 13:14

What the patch did was basically move some of the graphical workload from the CPU to the GFX card, which should be able to handle it better. However, if your GFX card was already the limiting factor, then this patch will make your fps worse. The FX 5200 is an absolute low-end card, so it's not surprising. Its performance is actually worse than that of the ancient MX440 or Radeon 9000 cards.

aroX123

8th June 2008, 13:14

i got 30 or so when alone in Y20
Now in Y22(21) 42
and when from back of gird on Y20 i got 14 (and it goes dont to 12 when ai is moving)
and now back of grid in Y22(21) 37 (and it stays there when all ai moving)

wien

8th June 2008, 13:22

However, if your GFX card was already the limiting factor, then this patch will make your fps worse.I don't think it should really be worse. The GPU still has to draw the same amount of triangles with the same materials, the only difference is that the CPU doesn't have to do quite as much work to get it to draw them. ("Draw the triangles in that buffer", instead of "draw a triangle here, draw a triangle here, draw a triangle here... etc.")

It could be those undisclosed graphical improvements having an effect though.

LewX

8th June 2008, 13:34

Here you go:
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Options#Setting_up_the_wheel

But please, this has NOTHING to do with the test patch. Try posting it in the beginners section or technical assistance next time ;)

I think it is patch Y22 because my g25 works fine with normal patch Y.

As for the wiki article, thats what ive been trying to do but when i push the throttle and brake pedal in options, they both show up as being the RZ axis.

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 13:39

But my G25 still works fine in Y22. Nothing has changed with the test patches. Are you 100% sure "Report combined pedals" is turned off (http://upload.lfsmanual.net/images/6/68/LogitechSetup.jpg), and that the LFS game profile is still applied? If you have the test patch installed in a different location, the profiler might not apply the LFS profile anymore...

NitroNitrous

8th June 2008, 13:49

I'm with you :)

Rims reflection is great IMO :shrug:

Scawen

8th June 2008, 13:56

In the ATI panel, under both DirectX and OpenGL, AA and AF are both set to application controlled. Yet after turning them both off in LFS, my FPS stays the same, and the cars are still anti-aliased :confused:

Also, as I edited in my second post, AA is 0 and AF is 1 on a clean install, yet I can still see AA on the cars...

Rename the LFS.exe and try.. Solved this problem in my case..Yes, please do try renaming the LFS.exe when it is the stuck/bugged state, run it with its new name and see if this restores the default settings.

That would be very interesting and if this does "solve" the problem then I can only conclude it's a driver issue. That would mean your driver software is remembering LFS settings and reapplying them later.

Nothing LFS can do about that really. I don't know if it's possible but maybe you could remove most of the software (the part that handles different program settings) just leaving the actual drivers?

Scawen - I'm sorry to post here(I just see no other place since the previous thread was locked), but there is still speed hackers in lfs. I'm not sure what you did to the cheat protection system but I downloaded Y21 to test FPS changes etc etc, Went to ConeDodgers 1 (Theres normally a lot of people there, so good for testing), And a guy was speedhacking. He was only using it in very small bursts but it was definitely speedhacking. I have the replay avaliable if anyone needs it.

[Edit] - This is in no way a criticism, I'm just saying, People are still using the same cheat online and they need to be banned from everywhere possible.Perhaps you could email us with the MPR? Or attach the MPR here and email us the name of the cheater and what point in the replay he uses the cheat?

Dmt

8th June 2008, 14:15

And your PC specs are?

AMD 3000+
2.01ghz
1gb ram
Radeon 9550

Equinox

8th June 2008, 14:27

If i have Y20, do i use the Y19-Y22 patch ?

Sarge

wien

8th June 2008, 14:28

Yes.

dougie-lampkin

8th June 2008, 14:30

Thanks Scawen, I'll try that when I get back home. Won't be back for a week though :shrug:

I think I'd need to leave the software there, as it's managing my GPU's overclocking. Without overclocking my FPS halves:schwitz:

Jakg

8th June 2008, 14:46

What are you using to overclock with?

If you want you can delete the profile file for nVidia cards, no idea what effect this would have, though.

If you've got an nVidia card use ATiTool (my fave) or RivaTuner, same applies for ATi Cards, but "AMD Clock Tool" is also good (I hear).

Rocabiliz

8th June 2008, 14:48

Found a bug on Y22, Lx4's tyre is not attached to the car. But i did shift+u and then back to normal and it was gone :shrug:

NitroNitrous

8th June 2008, 14:54

Found a bug on Y22, Lx4's tyre is not attached to the car. But i did shift+u and then back to normal and it was gone :shrug:

I don´t have that problem :scratchch Maybe someone hit you in your back

Gener_AL (UK)

8th June 2008, 14:55

Looks like damage, as the wheel is kinda static in relation to damage model.

Scawen

8th June 2008, 14:56

I think that is not a new bug, that is something lacking in the damage system - the back of your car was bashed in but the wheel stays in the same place.

EDIT : Too late :tilt:

Jakg

8th June 2008, 14:58

IIRC you CANNOT damage the wheel. Same with the RB4's "indestructible" exhausts (which is now fixed).

Basically - smash the rear up enough and you'll notice the wheel doesn't move.

Trekkerfahrer

8th June 2008, 15:07

I don´t have that problem :scratchch Maybe someone hit you in your back

its when you have a lower detail level. i have the same prob then when i reduce the details to the minimum

edit: solved, used the latest nvidia driver ;)

Start Wars

8th June 2008, 15:08

Do reflection mods not work with this patch? After installing this, the reflections did not seem to be working, and my wheels had changed colour from white to grey which caused problems for a replay I was wanting to film. Reverting back to patch Y solved this, but I would like to use the new replay controls, so is there any way of solving this?

Mithras

8th June 2008, 15:26

wien

8th June 2008, 15:36

Do reflection mods not work with this patch?I've never heard of that specific mod, but any mod altering the way LFS renders is unlikely to work now. Complain to the mod author.

jayhawk

8th June 2008, 15:43

I think this i s one of the best improvements in a long while. My FPS went up by 20 on my creaky old computer.

dougie-lampkin

8th June 2008, 15:50

Start Wars

8th June 2008, 16:04

I've never heard of that specific mod, but any mod altering the way LFS renders is unlikely to work now. Complain to the mod author.

This mod:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=11869

Jakg

8th June 2008, 16:11

I've a Radeon 9800 PRO, and I'm using the Omega drivers + software. Comes with a neat little overclocking utility, that can change it on the fly according to what you're doing :)

I don't want to change to a different utility, as this one suits me perfect.The software your talking about is called "ATi Tray Tools" (i think) and is bundled with the Omega drivers, but not actually included with the drivers...

titanLS

8th June 2008, 16:28

One thing I've always wondered since Y...
Why are the colors for the FBM lcd display so earth tone? The other single seaters you can find a nice bright red, amber, blue, etc. The colors available on the FBM dash are all browns and purples and colors you wouldn't expect a display to be. Is gray the only viable option?

kiss me

8th June 2008, 16:33

i was playing and suddently lfs crashed
followed by a BSOD
erro code:
Gebeurtenisnaam van probleem: BlueScreen
Versie van besturingssysteem: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.256.1
Landinstelling-id: 2067

Aanvullende informatie over dit probleem:
BCCode: 3b
BCP1: 00000000C0000005
BCP2: FFFFF960000EB706
BCP3: FFFFF9800D543070
BCP4: 0000000000000000
OS Version: 6_0_6000
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1

Bestanden die helpen bij het beschrijven van het probleem:
C:\Windows\Minidump\Mini060808-01.dmp
C:\Users\Dinsterzz\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-80246-0.sysdata.xml
C:\Users\Dinsterzz\AppData\Local\Temp\WER7751.tmp. version.txt

dougie-lampkin

8th June 2008, 16:38

The software your talking about is called "ATi Tray Tools" (i think) and is bundled with the Omega drivers, but not actually included with the drivers...

Yes, that's what it shows as on the toolbar. It controls everything relating to my GPU just by right-clicking on it, so it's really useful. I can't get rid of it, otherwise I'll be lost trying to adjust everything manually :shy:

Sorry for OT, but it needed explaining :smileypul

Aquilifer

8th June 2008, 16:58

I get "Could not load font" when I try to start Y22 after pathing with the Y19->Y22 patch.

Doesn't help if I repatch it.

EDIT: It works after I patched it again with Y->Y22 patch. But I'm 99.99% sure I had Y19 before.

Lotesdelere

8th June 2008, 17:23

Some new keys have been added :

1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
This doesn't work on my french keyboard.
It has simply no effect.
Pic of a french keyboard layout:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/French_pc_keyboard.svg

I'm probably in the minority on this one, but I'm not liking the new shiny rims. Matte FTW!

Aside from that, fantastic patch. :thumb:
I don't like them much too but it's a small visual detail to me so I'll think I'll get used to it.
However I'm not getting used to the small text size used in the interface now. Everything seems to be lost in the middle of my large screen.
I guess Scawen did it for the setup and language menus but frankly I find it quite irritating especially when there is no option available to set the size I want.

Apart from that I also got more FPS, this is very noticeable on a populated grid. Good job :)

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 17:27

You have to use the keys that are on the same spot as "," and "." on the German keyboard layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Germany_and_Austria_.28but_not_Swi tzerland.29)

Lotesdelere

8th June 2008, 17:49

You have to use the keys that are on the same spot as "," and "." on the German keyboard layout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Germany_and_Austria_.28but_not_Swi tzerland.29)
I did. And just tried again.
No effect at all :shrug:

kiss me

8th June 2008, 18:36

i found what made me crash and i'm not happy
the hardware didnt got enough power, it means that my psu aint good enough, result my psu is now dead :s
my third one with this pc, thank god i'm selling it :s

nesrulz

8th June 2008, 19:08

BUG 1

1. (Serbian and English - OK)
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5115/30022619uj4.png

2. (Serbian and English - OK)
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1215/81966808uw2.png

3. (Klick on "?")
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4723/60137243si4.png

4a. (English - OK)
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4619/4ejt8.png

4b. (Serbian - BUG)
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3668/4sqp0.png

4c. (Russian - BUG)
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7804/90832046wx7.png

Test only Serbian and Russian language.

BUG 2

Select Russian language and then back to English.
OK after refresh host list or restart LFS...

EDIT: same "BUG" for all others language, English - other and other - English...

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3336/asdmk5.png

BUG 3

After host refresh, 2x back, pause ~5 sec...
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3479/connectqq7.png

btw, where is flag for Bulgarian?
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9540/bfbfel6.png

:schwitz:

ZanZi

8th June 2008, 19:54

Translation still in progress so this might be a reason ;)

sgt.flippy

8th June 2008, 20:08

SladiVadi

8th June 2008, 20:28

That's a great patch! It doubled minimum fps from 20 to 40 with full details now (benchmark replay) and improved mouse controls seem nice too.
What kind of anti aliasing is used for Nvidia cards? These provide 8x, 8xQ, 16x and 16xQ for example and I found 16x to be very useful since it looks almost like 16xQ without difference in performance compared to 4x.
I have a 8600GT.

dougie-lampkin

8th June 2008, 20:28

flippy, what GFX card do you have, and what drivers are you using?

sgt.flippy

8th June 2008, 20:38

flippy, what GFX card do you have, and what drivers are you using?
Radeon X600 on Omega 3.8.422 something :D

Not related to lfs: lately I'm getting a lot of artifacts in rbr, but today also in lfs..

dougie-lampkin

8th June 2008, 20:43

Hmm, I've a 9800 PRO, also on Omega (No idea what version, not at home). Maybe it's an Omega problem? :shrug:

wien

8th June 2008, 20:47

I'd suggest trying the latest ATI drivers and cleaning out the card's heatsink. The artefacting is probably due to overheating (or memory failure). Hot summer days tend to take their toll on graphics cards.

mobu

8th June 2008, 21:03

In a number og earlier posts complaints were raised against having decreased the text size in the menu screens. However, I think that the smaller text size it not the real problem; it is the poor rendering of the text. The text appears quite blurry as if anti aliased rather poorly. I discovered that by decreasing the MIP bias for text to -0.2 the text suddenly appeared crystal sharp. Maybe this should be the deafult setting if all others experience the same blurred texts?

/Morten

Shotglass

8th June 2008, 21:09

iirc the default text setting is -0.5

KanseiDneova

8th June 2008, 21:27

My fps went up 0, lol. Didn't really notice any change in fps.

This may be true for other Y patches, but i was using the driving line today and saw this. Woo, transparent underbody.

imthebestracerthereis

8th June 2008, 21:28

BUG: Shift U

How to reproduce: Start LFS in Single Player, load KY1, add 15 FXR, and 10 laps. Once all 15 are on grid, TAB through all of them until you get to the leader, then SHIFT U. The sound skips, and gives me an error.

E: Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88jCYM4uKFw

Gil07

8th June 2008, 21:29

What version do you use? That was fixed in Y22...

robt

8th June 2008, 21:31

My fps went up 0, lol. Didn't really notice any change in fps.

This may be true for other Y patches, but i was using the driving line today and saw this. Woo, transparent underbody.

think thats due to the driving line/ideal line "floating" above the race track high enough to be above the underbody.

AndroidXP

8th June 2008, 21:31

This may be true for other Y patches, but i was using the driving line today and saw this. Woo, transparent underbody.
This is like the first bug that was immediately reported after the racing line was implemented. It is caused by the racing line being rendered above the track, which is done to prevent the line dipping below the track.

sgt.flippy

8th June 2008, 21:31

My fps went up 0, lol. Didn't really notice any change in fps.

This may be true for other Y patches, but i was using the driving line today and saw this. Woo, transparent underbody.
I believe that happened before too.

imthebestracerthereis

8th June 2008, 21:48

What version do you use? That was fixed in Y22...

aha, I didnt see the update

JasonJ

9th June 2008, 00:18

iirc the default text setting is -0.5I just renamed cfg.txt and the default is -1.0 Mip bias for text.:) The lowest you can go is -1.5 which gives clearer text.

shiny_red_cobra

9th June 2008, 01:15

I would also like to express my gratitude for this latest patch. LFS runs much smoother now. It's an excellent improvement for people running on older computers with decent video cards like myself. If there is anything else to "optimize" please don't hesitate to do so! :thumb:

Cue-Ball

9th June 2008, 02:42

And another problem I saw on the last page: my reflections on the car are gone. It looks like a toy car now. I get shadows on it, and a little bit of reflection, but the color stays pretty flat.Make sure you're not running any third party textures. The high resolution textures pack changes the reflections and requires a change to the shinyness of the cars. You might want to try a fresh install of LFS in a separate directory, just to rule out this possible cause.

aoun

9th June 2008, 03:41

I tested the frame rate before and after Y21 in South City in the BMW F1 car and before hand i had to take off alot of graphics or low to get it running at 30fps. After i downloaded Y21 i felt no improvement, FPS stayed at 30fps. I put all the graphic settings full or best, and it stayed at 30fps.

So, i dont know how it works, but its ok, but VERY confusing!

Ramon F.

9th June 2008, 04:28

Kancel

9th June 2008, 05:18

FPS increase is very noticeable, thx Scawen:thumb:

Shadowww

9th June 2008, 06:11

Blackwood I + 11 AIs in FBM = +15fps
Blackwood only I = +20-25fps

Thanks! Now AA keeps without lags :)

Mikkel Petersen

9th June 2008, 07:52

jaohard

9th June 2008, 08:15

Nice, FPS slowly getting better. I still have the white lines visible on the road in certain areas (if only they were grey :scratchch).

Any replays I have upto X36 gets an oos error after a short way into the replay, but everything since X39 seems fine. (normally single player with ai)

Now I just wish to use my quad cores to get more fps (core1 updates the cars physics and outputs to in/outsim packets, cores 2/3/4 use these packets of data to calculate the sounds/visuals/ai reactions etc.) - Sounds good in theory. I'm sure one of the best programmers in the world could get it working once he gets the time to work on it :D

aroX123

9th June 2008, 08:46

Something annoying:shy:

When going to Display list of host then refresh servers, join any server and play there for a while then leave the server and back to Display list of host, then SOMETIMES when i refresh again, No servers is refreshed, i cant see any servers, and then i go in and out and then i can see servers.

xaotik

9th June 2008, 09:02

Y22

I'm getting artifacts too, it only happens in LFS not other games.

...

Ati Radeon X1600
Catalyst 8.5

Can you possibly check if it does the same if you roll back to Catalyst 8.4? In another indie game I follow there were bug reports of similar funkiness when users updated to 8.5 and returning to 8.4 remedied that. If this happens in your case as well, please take time to report it in the ATI driver bug report forum as well.

RE Amemiya

9th June 2008, 09:16

this is the gretest patch yet. It looks 100x better than the old one, and I noticed that I can get a better max framerate :D thanks scawen!

EDIT
unfortunately I still get about 7 when I'm in a pack of cars. But, it isn't choppy like it used to be! :D

were the shadows updated as well? i was getting shadows from buildings too.

felplacerad

9th June 2008, 09:22

Artifacts ...

I also noticed a tiny amount of artifacts on Y22 yesterday. I've never ever experienced artifacts in LFS before on any PC (with one exception - but that time the graphics card was dying). Since I was using a laptop yesterday (IBM Thinkpad T60) which is not really intended for gaming I did not bother reporting it here until i saw the other reports just now.

OS: Windows XP SP2
Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon XP1300
Driver: 8.293.1.0 (Yes, they're ancient but bear in mind I do not usually run games on this computer).

FlintFredstone

9th June 2008, 09:39

Scawen,

Just to let you know that your update is so good i didnt notice i'd still got my video card set to 400Mhz as i was still getting above 100fps (3870XT normally set to 900 for gaming) and 90% of all pit outs caused no glitch AT ALL!

Thanks for the great work

Simon

aIM BLR

9th June 2008, 09:39

Hi Scawen! Very good and interesting last patches.
About advanced control mouse. This is first small step only, but it is good.
If it is of any interest to you, criticism:
1. When combined Thr/Break, centering axis Y fasten centering screen monitor. D't do this! Centering axis Y must be fasten current value axis only.
2. When you use axis Y as one axis, devide not active. It's not good idea.
3. Why you ignore axis Z (scroll) mouse? Please realize.
4. Min devide axis X must be < 1. This is consequence difference resolution difference mouses.
5. That is enough now.

I drive on mouse (MIME 3.0). I have axis steer, separate axis throttle and break, axis clutch, i do heel&toe very easy. When you analyze my replay, you d't difference, what i use only mouse but no wheel and paddle. I not have only FF. But i use third person soft, and soft old and not working on Vista. I (and more other racers) interesting advanced useful mouse directly in LFS.

Scawen

9th June 2008, 10:17

Think I may have found a bug.

A few minutes ago, I started up patch Y22 and went directly to the Master Server List, which showed up for about 5 seconds. Then after that the list itself disappeared and instead showed "Closing 1 connect" in the upper-left corner below List of Hosts. The Meeting Room button is still there.

I've restarted LFS three times so far and I am still getting the same problem. I guess I'll just stick with running Y21 until a way around this is figured out..I guess this is not a Y22 issue at all. I think this has happened occasionally for years. So if you got that in Y22, you'd probably get it in Y21. Or if you don't get in in Y21, then Y22 would work as well.

But do let me know if I'm wrong and after testing you find it really is Y22 specific.

btw, where is flag for Bulgarian?
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9540/bfbfel6.png

:schwitz:I copied Bulgarian by mistake from the translation system, into my patch folder. It is only half finished so should not really be there at all.

...I discovered that by decreasing the MIP bias for text to -0.2 the text suddenly appeared crystal sharp. Maybe this should be the deafult setting if all others experience the same blurred texts?Someone else said this already but in case anyone missed it, the default mip bias for text is -1.0 and at least on my PC that gives much better text sharpness than zero bias.

I tested the frame rate before and after Y21 in South City in the BMW F1 car and before hand i had to take off alot of graphics or low to get it running at 30fps. After i downloaded Y21 i felt no improvement, FPS stayed at 30fps. I put all the graphic settings full or best, and it stayed at 30fps.

So, i dont know how it works, but its ok, but VERY confusing!As someone mentioned, have a look in Misc Options to see if you have set a frame rate limit.

Tisza

9th June 2008, 12:24

I wish i could try it! But i'm not home... I can't wait to test! Good work!!:)

Töki (HUN)

9th June 2008, 13:06

Nah, I can try it on next monday. Better? Thanks for the improvements though.

Juls

9th June 2008, 13:08

Does it improve framerate for autocross layout objects too ?

Tomba(FIN)

9th June 2008, 14:48

Cool! but can't take screenshots :shrug: bugged or something

tonyonparas

9th June 2008, 15:00

When I try to take a vid with fraps, LFS just crash´n burn.
FPS set to 20 in LFS and fraps. :shrug:

richukss

9th June 2008, 15:17

Mby someone already posted it, but.. here's some glitch with the wheel :shrug:

Mikkel Petersen

9th June 2008, 15:21

Mby someone already posted it, but.. here's some glitch with the wheel :shrug:
No, new shader.

Tomba(FIN)

9th June 2008, 15:22

Mby someone already posted it, but.. here's some glitch with the wheel :shrug:

just because of you have modded it, in normal wheel that reflection is fine..

-V-Max-

9th June 2008, 15:47

Does it improve framerate for autocross layout objects too ?

It should be possible to use the same technology for autocross walls (barriers) and stuff. I still remember what a dissapointment autocross tracks were for my framerate on my old computer. Mainly beacause of the many barriers.

J@tko

9th June 2008, 15:48

Um, this is a bit odd.

Both these people mid-race joined on CTRA Race 2, and when I spec them, I get this :shrug:

Cars were RB4 and XRT, track was AS1r.

Patch Y22

Nearly all settings on 'low' - my computer is slow :(

AbsolutMartini

9th June 2008, 16:02

I have tried to install it but when i installed it like told i came back to the standard version of lfs, no patch y22 of anything like that, i even needed to unlock lfs again :(

Anyone a idea?

mxpxun

9th June 2008, 16:06

NSX_FReeDoM

9th June 2008, 16:12

the dials on the FBM steering wheel is really hard to read =S

chanoman315

9th June 2008, 16:33

Y22

I'm getting artifacts too, it only happens in LFS not other games.

Also, when I press Alt-Tab and then switch back to LFS I'm loosing AntiAliasing and no matter what settings I use I can't get it back, only restarting LFS works.

Ati Radeon X1600
Catalyst 8.5

I also noticed a tiny amount of artifacts on Y22 yesterday. I've never ever experienced artifacts in LFS before on any PC (with one exception - but that time the graphics card was dying). Since I was using a laptop yesterday (IBM Thinkpad T60) which is not really intended for gaming I did not bother reporting it here until i saw the other reports just now.

OS: Windows XP SP2
Graphics Card: ATI Mobility Radeon XP1300
Driver: 8.293.1.0 (Yes, they're ancient but bear in mind I do not usually run games on this computer).

Um, this is a bit odd.

Both these people mid-race joined on CTRA Race 2, and when I spec them, I get this :shrug:

Cars were RB4 and XRT, track was AS1r.

Patch Y22

Nearly all settings on 'low' - my computer is slow :(
All same bug, i think this isnt video card problem

J@tko

9th June 2008, 16:44

Please don't ask me to post my PC specs :D

mxpxun

9th June 2008, 16:50

Please don't ask me to post my PC specs :D
if u overclocked ur video card too mutch (if u overclocked at all) that is the reason why u see that crapy view, i know that because i overclocked myne's and that happend too

MillerM

9th June 2008, 16:51

I said this before, but apparently there are more people with about the same problem: when I change AA or AF settings, nothing changes, I tried renaming LFS, tried putting my 3D settings to application control, but both settings have no result.

And another problem I saw on the last page: my reflections on the car are gone. It looks like a toy car now. I get shadows on it, and a little bit of reflection, but the color stays pretty flat.

I have had a problem for a while with AF. Changing the setting in LFS has no effect, and changing the setting through the driver also has no effect. AA works as supposed.

I have already removed and reinstalled drivers and have also updated to the latest catalyst a few days ago which hasn't solved the problem. Also a change to a better radeon videocard hasn't solved this problem.

J@tko

9th June 2008, 16:53

if u overclocked ur video card too mutch (if u overclocked at all) that is the reason why u see that crapy view, i know that because i overclocked myne's and that happend too
No i havnt.

Sm0k3

9th June 2008, 17:26

AndroidXP

9th June 2008, 17:29

That's because the sky reflection is now also rendered on the rims.

PioneerLv

9th June 2008, 19:35

Live For Speed S2

Y21:
http://img.lejup.lv/thumbs/1213036414.jpg (http://img.lejup.lv/viewer.php?id=1213036414.jpg)

Y22:
http://img.lejup.lv/thumbs/1213038809.jpg (http://img.lejup.lv/viewer.php?id=1213038809.jpg)

Pictures are clickable.

Cue-Ball

9th June 2008, 20:07

Does your graphics card support hardware vertex shading? If not then that is what you need - and HVS has been around so long, such a "modern" graphics card would cost nothing (if you can find one second hand). People are probably now throwing away as scrap, graphics cards that are fine for LFS.I've been able to verify this on a machine that does not have HVS support. In Y21 at the back of a large grid on Westhill I got 32 fps (game paused, in-car view). In Y22 I only get 16 fps. This machine has an on-board Intel 82945G chipset (utter crap).

If your computer doesn't have a graphics card that supports hardware vertex shading, it's time to upgrade. Virtually every decent card has had this for years now, so anyone who's even remotely serious about gaming or sims should have no problems getting their hands on an HVS supported card.

Rocabiliz

9th June 2008, 20:36

Everytime i go to the skid pad and try to get out (by the brown fence), the car is resetted and freezes :shrug: Works everytime with every car.

Don't know if anyone already said this, if so, sorry :x

Flame CZE

9th June 2008, 20:44

sgt.flippy

9th June 2008, 22:20

So I changed drivers from Omega to Catalyst, but I'm still getting the artifacts after a few laps. Here's a pic of the artifacts, they really cover the whole screen, it's not playable, but once I go through it, everything looks normal again for a while.

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/427/artifactspl4.th.jpg (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artifactspl4.jpg)

Fischfix

9th June 2008, 22:30

not sure if this is related to Y22 or the hires-skin pack as i've installed both of them but,

when i race offline i get "shadow error" and all the shadows under the cars are gone

Cue-Ball

9th June 2008, 23:12

not sure if this is related to Y22 or the hires-skin pack as i've installed both of them but,

when i race offline i get "shadow error" and all the shadows under the cars are goneYou should install a fresh copy of LFS to rule out texture packs and such as the cause.

Scawen

10th June 2008, 09:27

Ok, just installed the newest patch, but for some reason the wheels in my car are too "dark", I couldn't even get white color out, when I put the sliders to the max..
White looks like grey etc.
Everything else is working as it sould be..The hard part of the wheels is now shaded in the same way as the car body, so if you set wheel colour and car colour to maximum (using a white skin) the car body and wheels should be the same colour.

not sure if this is related to Y22 or the hires-skin pack as i've installed both of them but,

when i race offline i get "shadow error" and all the shadows under the cars are goneThat does sound like you have run out of memory on the card. Watch out for high res skins. A single 2048x2048 skin in uncompressed mode uses 10.7 MB of graphics card memory.

BOSCHO

10th June 2008, 11:06

i dont see any reflections inside an outside the car i have 1 gb of memory

http://lfsbg.net/boss/2222.png

i'm at 1280x1024 32 bits with uncompressed car and helmet skins

AndroidXP

10th June 2008, 11:11

You have 1GB of graphics card memory? :really:
Not system RAM, gfx card memory...

BOSCHO

10th June 2008, 11:19

my card is Nvidia GeForce 6200 TurboCache 512 :scratchch

AndroidXP

10th June 2008, 11:24

Agh, TurboCache (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboCache). Which means that the GFX card tries to use its own and the system memory (which is awful, btw). Anyway, try to enable compressed skins and see if that fixes the problem. If yes, it simply means you don't have enough graphics memory available, TurboCache or not.

gezmoor

10th June 2008, 11:27

Hmm, I've a 9800 PRO, also on Omega (No idea what version, not at home). Maybe it's an Omega problem? :shrug:

It's not. I have an nVidia card and I have the same problem as you. After applying AA it stays on even when I set it to "off" in game. Even worse it sets the AA in my other install of LFS (Patch Y) which doesn't even have AA settings.

Quick question are you running Vista or XP??

Scawen,

I tried what you suggested and renamed LFS.exe to LFS2.exe and when I run LFS with a changed executable name the AA is now gone.
Would appear that the issue is related to either the drivers or the OS remembering the applications settings and not reverting them.

BOSCHO

10th June 2008, 11:28

with compressed is the same thing

Töki (HUN)

10th June 2008, 11:31

with compressed is the same thing

And you have this problem only with Y22? With older patches it worked fine? Maybe try to download a fresh LFS and upgrade to Y22. I have no better idea. Have you changed anything in the cfg file?

BOSCHO

10th June 2008, 11:41

yes for the g-ball thing only.. i will try to install it again :shrug:

Fischfix

10th June 2008, 11:47

@scawen

you were right, its the skins. i gave the ai drivers my high-res skins...

andRo.

10th June 2008, 12:11

i dont see any reflections inside an outside the car i have 1 gb of memory

http://lfsbg.net/boss/2222.png

i'm at 1280x1024 32 bits with uncompressed car and helmet skins

I had totally the same thing with X version before, I think I reinstalled the LFS totally, and it worked like new again. :nod: Don't forget to save the data folder when you r reinstalling LFS.

This patch is great, I love it. :):thumb:

dougie-lampkin

10th June 2008, 12:56

It's not. I have an nVidia card and I have the same problem as you. After applying AA it stays on even when I set it to "off" in game. Even worse it sets the AA in my other install of LFS (Patch Y) which doesn't even have AA settings.

Quick question are you running Vista or XP??

I'm on XP. I'll try renaming it when I'm home, I'm still away :(

Methyl Ethyl

10th June 2008, 15:55

I actually LOST about 6 FPS going from 0.5Y to Y22. :-(

aroX123

10th June 2008, 16:07

I actually LOST about 6 FPS going from 0.5Y to Y22. :-(
Take a pic from Y in same car and same track at same ''place''
and take a pic from Y22

pauliaK

10th June 2008, 16:29

^^^^
Same replay file is the best thing for this kind of testing :).

Cue-Ball

10th June 2008, 19:19

I actually LOST about 6 FPS going from 0.5Y to Y22. :-(Do you have HVS enabled? If not, that would explain it.

Jakg

10th June 2008, 19:26

NikLaw

10th June 2008, 20:20

Y22 is incredible! My FPS in my testing replay with full grid have increased from 37 at start to 51.

The minimum FPS jumped from 25 to 37.

Track: South City Chicane Route.

3700+ 2,8 Ghz, 8800 GT, 1680x1050, 4xAA MS, 16xAF forced through driver.

J.B.

10th June 2008, 21:57

Nice patch! Got me about 10-15 fps which is great for race starts. Although I have to admit that when I read the word "smoother" in the thread title I was hoping for inter-physicsframe interpolation to get rid of the judder inherant to trying to display 100 hz on a 60 hz screen.

Cue-Ball

10th June 2008, 22:11

It's enabled automagically when the GFX card supports it.

I don't think you can turn it off...

If the card is atrocious then the FPS will get worse, but you'd need a card almost as old as me to cause that....I guess I should have stated my question as "does your card support HVS".

And no, you don't need an old card or computer to not have HVS support. My work machine is a ~1 year old Dell desktop that uses an on-board graphics chip. HVS is not supported. Most any machine that does not have a dedicated graphics card is not going to have HVS support and will see a slow-down in frame rate from this patch.

Bean0

10th June 2008, 22:19

Is it just me or is the 'xxx left the pits' lag gone now ?
Loving the FPS increase also :)

niall09

10th June 2008, 22:36

Is it just me or is the 'xxx left the pits' lag gone now ?
Loving the FPS increase also :)

You should find that the pit-out glitch is reduced a little as well.

:) :thumbsup:

The Radness

10th June 2008, 22:36

Is it just me or is the 'xxx left the pits' lag gone now ?
Loving the FPS increase also :)

Yep, he fixed that too:D. And not a moment too soon. People lagging out, then joining only to lag out again.

Driving me banana's.

Edit: damn you niall.

JasonJ

11th June 2008, 01:51

I'd like to say the new rendering for the rims is much nicer now and is much appreciated. Previously for me on Dynamic LOD 1.0 when the wheels went "simplified" at about 40 meters they used to look like hollow tubes, this was quite distracting and really was intrusive to the immersion. Now they have a center hub and are less noticable as "simple" wheels. So it now looks better and has more FPS for multiple cars on screen - awesome stuff. Nice progress towards "detachable" things and it's very exciting. :tilt:

tinvek

11th June 2008, 13:06

yep big improvement in frame rate for me especially at start.

only small problem is that after upgrading from y18 i find the numbers on the fbm wheel a little too fine to read easily

im running at 1280 x 1024 in a 17 inch screen so i guess its time for a bigger monitor

_--NZ--_[HUN]

11th June 2008, 17:58

I think I found a bug in the Driver menu, see attachment. Version Y22.

AndroidXP

11th June 2008, 18:04

;825855']I think I found a bug in the Driver menu, see attachment.
I'd like to imagine Scawen fixing it in Y23 only to discover too late that now all drivers are drawn outside/infront of the car :p

Feffe85

11th June 2008, 18:48

thnx for the huge patch *jk* no i really like it, only one problem tho.

the AA/AF isn't doing me squat :P when the AA/AF first came in LFS i could set it to max and it would actually make the screen look nice, but now it doesn't matter if i have it or max or not. even when i'm forcing it through the drivers, the jaggies won't disappear.. :/

have tried to delete it and reinstall it from scratch but no luck.

im on a p4 3ghz, 2gb ram and a 7800gtx

thnkfull for help :P

EDIT:!! reinstalling the drivers did help actually.. strange :) but no worries then :-D

geeman1

11th June 2008, 19:25

;825855']I think I found a bug in the Driver menu, see attachment. Version Y22.It's an old bug. The driver is drawn some distance away from the camera which can sometimes cause some in-game objects to be drawn in front of it if they are closer to the camera.

Dalibor79

12th June 2008, 00:54

I suddenly dont have autocross. i mean, its there in the menu, but its grey ad i cant select it:really:.
anyone?

SamH

12th June 2008, 01:05

I suddenly dont have autocross. i mean, its there in the menu, but its grey ad i cant select it:really:.
anyone?
Have you upgraded directly to Y22 from Y? If so, you may have used the wrong installer. Have another look at the first post in this thread, and read the information on each installer first, before downloading and installing. I have a feeling that downloading and reinstalling the Y-Y22 installer (instead of the Y19-Y22 installer) will fix your problem. I could be wrong.. got a feeling tho ;)

kaynd

12th June 2008, 01:17

I suddenly dont have autocross. i mean, its there in the menu, but its grey ad i cant select it.
anyone?

It’s gray only in hotlap mode:)

SamH

12th June 2008, 01:23

hehe.. okay I was wrong! :shy:

swisscosmo

12th June 2008, 05:48

ok well since the main difference with this Test Patch is the FPS i honesly see some change but mosly is not good cuase in my car the cockpit view i usually got around 20-30FPS but know with the new test patch i only get around 15-20FPS but on other views i get maybe 1-10FPS more but TBH i don't see much of a difference with the FPS

Dalibor79

12th June 2008, 10:21

It’s gray only in hotlap mode:)
indeed. thanx

mickyc30

12th June 2008, 12:25

wow, Y22 has given me a massive FPS increese, i was usally on 250fps, now im on 345fps
Thanks Scawen! and also, the middle of the steering wheel looks differant? are there anymore visual or physical changes?

Flame CZE

12th June 2008, 13:15

Whiskey

12th June 2008, 13:24

The rims are the object who has improve their appearance, noy they have reflections, and look awesome. I'm waiting to Z to install this improvements in my non-test instalation

Cue-Ball

12th June 2008, 18:08

When trying to run AI drivers in Practice mode I'm getting the following error: "AI can't drive on this configuration".

Running Patch Y22. Wind is off, Pit required is off, car reset is off. Time of day seems to have no effect. Level of AI seems to have no effect (I'm running Pro). I've tried this on all of the tracks. Both Blackwood layouts work fine (normal and reverse) but all other tracks fail with this error.

I can run the AI successfully on any track if it's set to race X laps, but not if the game is set to Practice mode.

Edit: I did a clean install of LFS Patch Y, then installed Y-to-Y22. Now it works fine. I'm not sure what the problem was with my original setup, but a clean install seems to work.

marek100

12th June 2008, 19:03

JasonJ

12th June 2008, 20:07

When trying to run AI drivers in Practice mode I'm getting the following error: "AI can't drive on this configuration".
*snip*Y22:
I just started up KY3 with the same settings and the AI worked okay, (left pits etc). :shrug: HOWEVER, attempting to run the replay to demonstrate this gives :

Could not load 's car
removed O·Z (bad connection)
removed JA_1 (bad connection)
removed JA_2 (bad connection)
removed JA_3 (bad connection)
removed JA_4 (bad connection)
removed AI 5 (bad connection)
removed AI 6 (bad connection)
removed AI 7 (bad connection)
removed AI 8 (bad connection)
removed AI 9 (bad connection)
removed AI 10 (bad connection)
removed AI 11 (bad connection)
removed (bad connection)
removed R8î (bad connection)

I should note that the first car, mine is labled "O·Z" which is the number plate not my nickname [CLC] JasonJ
So something fishy is going on. :tilt:
58583

EDIT:
Ahhh ok, I did something different that particular time. I added 2 AI during the SP session using "/ai" so that's not a good idea.

I now have a working replay with AI in practice mode, let me upload it.
KY3 - Clear Day - Practice
12 AIs & My car
allow reset = no, pit stop required = no
58589

Yisc[NL]

12th June 2008, 20:22

The demo-server of our team isn't visable in the server-list when using patch Y22 and when I try to connect directly to it's name I get this message: Host has a different game code

When I search for this server with a patch Y-client, I can find and join this server.
In order to find the problem I stripped the config-file to a minimum which is:

/host=Test-RR
/port=63392
/mode=demo
/usemaster=yes
/track=BL1
/dedicated=nogfx

Still it isn't showing in the serverlist and I can't connect to it's name.
Any ideas what could be the problem? I'm running 7 servers and only the 3 demo-servers aren't showing or aren't connectable when using patch Y22.

Nicocrank

12th June 2008, 22:22

Since i installed Patch Y22 , other then being satisfied , i found out that when i use Fraps , i get a Major FPS drop and a Constant lag during filming, is it normal cuz its a test patch or should i reinstall Fraps after installing PAtch y22

wien

12th June 2008, 22:27

;827311']I'm running 7 servers and only the 3 demo-servers aren't showing or aren't connectable when using patch Y22.I think someone needs to read the changelog. :) Demo users now need an account on lfs.net to be able to play. Hence, old demo servers don't work on Y22.

kaynd

12th June 2008, 22:27

It is normat to have that fps drop while recording.
Have you ever tried to capture video using Fraps in previous patches?

gremwood

12th June 2008, 23:35

I am receiving a "Could not load font" error. I've got the East Asian fonts installed.

AndroidXP

12th June 2008, 23:37

You didn't install the patch correctly...

gremwood

12th June 2008, 23:41

Well never mind, I fixed it.

Shotglass

13th June 2008, 02:10

tiny bug I just found
the "centre view" and "eye position" buttons in options => view are missing if youre not on track

Calvinaquino

13th June 2008, 02:46

tiny bug I just found
the "centre view" and "eye position" buttons in options => view are missing if youre not on track

Confirmed...
But if you go into Views and chose "inside car" view, it has the Standard Position option...

-V-Max-

13th June 2008, 10:01

tiny bug I just found
the "centre view" and "eye position" buttons in options => view are missing if youre not on track

Why would you want to 'center' your view when you're in a menu? Don't think those buttons are needed when not on track.

Whiskey

13th June 2008, 11:33

V-Max, then you also havs to say that the views options shouldn'b be there in options screen, no?

If these options are always configurable, why other not? This is the question

LeifOlav

13th June 2008, 14:23

Why wont the cursor move from screen in replaymode and shift + u? Also tried space in shift + u mode..

Scawen

13th June 2008, 14:55

The mouse pointer should be visible if you move the mouse, so you can operate the replay controls at the bottom of the screen.

If you don't want to see the mouse at all (for movie making purposes, etc) then you can press SHIFT+F once or twice to hide all text and the replay controls, in which case the mouse pointer is invisible.

LeifOlav

13th June 2008, 14:58

SamH

13th June 2008, 15:01

If you don't want to see the mouse at all (for movie making purposes, etc) then you can press SHIFT+F once or twice to hide all text and the replay controls, in which case the mouse pointer is invisible.
Scawen, the mouse is still bound by the limits of the screen even when you're making movies and it's invisible. However, I use 2 monitors and all too often in the process of lifting, moving, and repressing the mouse cursor to move the view further (happens a lot because I record at low resolution), I keep clicking accidentally in the other monitor. LFS minimises and the recording is wasted.

I've mentioned it before as a sort of improvement suggestion but I may as well also highlight it as a bug report, because the "clip mouse to window CTRL+C" feature doesn't stop the cursor at the edge of the screen with my dual-monitor setup, at all.

_--NZ--_[HUN]

13th June 2008, 15:04

Scawen, the mouse is still bound by the limits of the screen even when you're making movies and it's invisible. I use 2 monitors and all too often in the process of lifting, moving, and repressing the mouse cursor to move the view further (happens a lot because I record at low resolution), I keep clicking accidentally in the other monitor. LFS minimises and the recording is wasted.

I've mentioned it before as a sort of improvement suggestion but I may as well also highlight it as a bug report, because the "mouse clipped to screen" feature doesn't stop the cursor at the edge of the screen with my dual-monitor setup, at all.

I use two monitors too, and here "mouse clipped to screen" stops the mouse at the sides until I use Alt-Tab or windows key it works correcty if I use Shift-F4. After that I have to switch it off and on again to work.

dcm_wc

13th June 2008, 15:19

hi guys,i using official patch y.if i upgrade it to patch y22,will my replay still can play?

Flame CZE

13th June 2008, 15:20

hi guys,i using official patch y.if i upgrade it to patch v22,will my replay still can play?
yes

dcm_wc

13th June 2008, 15:22

yes
thanks

Scawen

13th June 2008, 15:27

Hello,
I don't know if you call that a "bug" but when you do a 2hours race with AIs in Aston National for example, they forget to pit and put some fuell in their cars... Ok that's not really important but at least now you know that :thumb:Does anyone know how to reproduce this? I just sent an FO8 round AS National in a 2 hour race and it did stop for fuel.

BOSCHO

13th June 2008, 17:58

my fuel too has stop :shrug:

AndroidXP

13th June 2008, 18:16

Does anyone know how to reproduce this? I just sent an FO8 round AS National in a 2 hour race and it did stop for fuel.
I'm not sure if this is the reason, but does the AI stick 100% to the precalculated fuel strategy? Because it's possible that a custom setup changes the actual fuel consumption enough to invalidate the original pit strategy.
(If it doesn't stick to the calculation anyway, then ignore the next two paragraphs.)

That said, another thing I noticed is that the fuel usage prediction doesn't take handicaps into account. If you add lots of extra weight for example it's very easy to make it use considerably more fuel than estimated.

Now I don't know how hard or easy it is to change the algorithm for calculating the usage, but a rather easy fail-safe fix would be checking each lap if there is enough fuel left to last two more laps (taking the actual average fuel consumption as base) and if not simply instruct the AI to make a pitstop ASAP.

Scawen

13th June 2008, 19:17

my fuel too has stop :shrug:Which car did you use? And was it using player setup or its own setup?

Now I don't know how hard or easy it is to change the algorithm for calculating the usage, but a rather easy fail-safe fix would be checking each lap if there is enough fuel left to last two more laps (taking the actual average fuel consumption as base) and if not simply instruct the AI to make a pitstop ASAP.In fact this is nearly what it does, only it makes sure there is enough fuel to last 1.5 laps (not 2). I guess this may be the problem, on a track where the split point is just less than half way round, there is a chance it will say, "I have enough for 1.5 laps so no need to go in to the pits this time".

If this is the case then it can be fixed by looking at how far round the track that split is. It seems likely that this is the problem but I was hoping for a reproducable case to verify the fix.

I'd perfer to do it more accurately rather than going for 2.0 laps, otherwise I imagine there is a case when an AI could unnecessarily fill up with less than two laps to go, although it could reach the finish line with its current load.

BOSCHO

13th June 2008, 19:26

fxo - race_S

Scawen i just bought the driving force pro wheel can you add to vibrate more when i'm in the grass because in the real world when i get into the grass whit big speed the wheel is going crazy :D on the road too vibrates in the real little :tilt:

AndroidXP

13th June 2008, 19:36

I don't really understand the reason behind taking 1.5 laps as base? Lets say your fuel lasts for 1.6 laps as you cross the line, so you decide not to pit yet. Then one lap later you check the fuel again, now your fuel lasts for 0.6 laps. Whoops, no way to reach the pits after that.

Wouldn't that basically be a 40% fail rate on the fuel checks (every time it turns out you have 1.51 - 1.9 laps left when doing the check, assuming that you can somehow creep into the pits with 0.9 laps worth of fuel)?

Regarding pit optimization, wouldn't a simple check on "if (laps_to_go < laps_possible_with_current_fuel_amount) then ignore pitstop" do the trick? Or is this a question of saving the CPU cycles? :schwitz:

scoobyrbac

13th June 2008, 19:44

I just took 20 AI's around AS3 in the FO8 and I noticed that there was a car that was stuck in the garage and it couldnt get out.

And I also noticed that when the cars when to go down pitlane some had to swerve for the other cars coming out in front of them and they almost wrecked..

heres the spr

http://tinyurl.com/67ddkp

Scawen

13th June 2008, 19:44

The reasoning is because it makes that decision when it passes the last split. It has to make the decision before the pit lane entramce and the final split is always before that point. I guess as I was coding it, I was thinking about tracks with two splits, so 1.5 laps would cover all. It just doesn't cover the case when there is only one split and that is less than half way round.

AndroidXP

13th June 2008, 19:45

Ah okay, that makes a lot more sense, yes :)

Scawen

13th June 2008, 19:57

Anyway, If anyone finds a way to reproduce it, do let me know. I tried what you said BOSCHO, an FXO using the AI setup and also RACE_S - in both cases it did pit. This is on a 2 hour race at AS National. I've made a super fast version, I guess I'll send some more cars round there and see if any break down.

Heiko1

13th June 2008, 20:28

Sorry that i write it here :(

But can you pleace make that everybody can download it on LFS ? like Y or so. then i only got the Y version and read i need the Patch Y19.
I mean a Patch update on the server.
Please update that :)
Would be very nice

PS: Cant pm you scawen only admins can or so.