Round 4: Race Report & Penalties

[DeadWolfBones]

Penalties:
#02 S3R blocked #28 on outlap during qualifying; will start from rear.
#22 LFSLA avoidable contact with #06 Concept Racing; SG penalty.
#09 InSeRT pulled onto racing line after a spin directly in front of #13 UKCT; SG penalty.
#30 S3R avoidable contact with #34 NWRT; SG penalty.
#13 UKCT crossed pit exit; DT penalty.
#05 Sonicrealms inadvertently jumped restart; asked to drop back to 6th.
#34 NWRT poor blue flag behavior ahead of #02 resulting in contact; SG penalty.
#29 TDRT very avoidable contact while lapping #02; SG penalty.
#14 3id avoidable contact with #15; SG penalty.

[bdshan]

Please watch the #34, he seems to not be respecting others track space.

[bdshan]

Lap 19 #34 hits #30.

[srdsprinter]

Protest of the #34.

There was no pentalty issued for not knowing the starting procedure, and the 34 proceded to hit everything around it for the first several laps.

[rc10racer]

Lap 19 #34 hits #30.

#30 clips the rear of #34 causing him to loose control of his car and hit the barrier.

[DeadWolfBones]

Protest of the #34.

There was no pentalty issued for not knowing the starting procedure, and the 34 proceded to hit everything around it for the first several laps.

We will be looking into the aborted start.

If you have a more specific incident for the first several laps we'd be glad to look at it, but remember that you can only protests incidents you're directly involved in.

[Franke]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH....

AND WE COULDN'T HAVE OUR PITSTOP BEFORE THE PENALTY.... I WAS ALMOST OUT OF FUEL...

He accidently pressed F4...

Regards
Franke... Click

[UncleBenny]

#30 clips the rear of #34 causing him to loose control of his car and hit the barrier.

I was coming up on the #34 on the outside, he came out in front of me to get the best line, I ducked to the inside and he comes down on me and spins off my front bumper. I was on the inside and held my line, there is plenty of room in that section to race two wide. All that picture shows me is that the #34 had a ton of room on the outside and came down trying to block me and took both of us out.

This happened on my 19th lap, race time is at 50:08.

Was this replay reviewed before I got a penalty? I can post my replay up if needed.

[rc10racer]

Was this replay reviewed before I got a penalty? I can post my replay up if needed.

Yes it was.

[UncleBenny]

Then how is it avoidable contact if I am running the inside line and a guy turns into me?

[dktoben]

Lap 34: Restart after SC car 29 got hit from behind !


EDIT. And also lap 5: car number 04 got hit by a overtaker !

[DeadWolfBones]

Lap 34: Restart after SC car 29 got hit from behind !


EDIT. And also lap 5: car number 04 got hit by a overtaker !

Looking into these.

Can you post the replay for the lap 5 incident?

[srdsprinter]

Lap 43.2 out of the final hairpin, The 34 ran into the 02, again, under the blue flag.

[DeadWolfBones]

Lap 34: Restart after SC car 29 got hit from behind !

#29 followed #05 when the #05 inadvertently jumped the restart, and thus surprised the #11 who was attempting to pass/avoid the #13 and clipped the #29's right rear.

Racing incident, no penalty.

[DeadWolfBones]

Lap 43.2 out of the final hairpin, The 34 ran into the 02, again, under the blue flag.

SG for #34.

[dktoben]

Can you post the replay for the lap 5 incident?

Here you go

[DeadWolfBones]

Here you go

Thanks.

This was a lag incident, so no penalty.

[MR_B]

We will be looking into the aborted start.

If you have a more specific incident for the first several laps we'd be glad to look at it, but remember that you can only protests incidents you're directly involved in.

Very well then, if the aborted start matters aswell then I protest against #34 as it was me who was rammed.

[DeadWolfBones]

Thanks for the info.

[Franke]

Caught out by penalty rules...

Car 07 got a well deserved penalty for chatting...

That i will give you, but handing it out, as the 07 CLEARLY is comming in for a scheduled stop, is not even close to fair... I say CLEARLY as the chatting was done by the driver that was supposed to go into the car. At least wait to hand out the penalty, until the pitstop had been done...

Instead of JUST a DT penalty we got the penalty of having to do the penalty AND drive another lap with next to no fuel...

I admit that i tried to pit, and couldn't do it due to the panalty, and by accident i pressed the PL instead of TS button in the pits UPGRADING the penalty to a SG, hence the pit i was doing didn't count as a DT as it was upgraded, and i suddenly had to do 2 laps on no fuel, ending up being able to make the penalty (SG) and almost finishing the lap following, but at what cost, being last and wait for the push car...

My mate and i decided that it was not worth waiting, just to end up in last place... Besides i was furious with the decition to hand out a DT, BEFORE the planned pitstop ON MY INLAP... :(

That stop was scheduled due to the fact we were almost out of fuel...

Next time try to be fair at least, and let a pitting team come in for their stop BEFORE handing out a deserved penalty, instead you destroyed our race... Thank you...

Regards
Franke... Click

[pearcy_2k7]

DWB - This looks a handfull, if you need an extra hand watching on the server, give me a shout, i raced at FE Gold so know most of the teams etc.
:thumbsup:

[R.Kolz]

#29 followed #05 when the #05 inadvertently jumped the restart, and thus surprised the #11 who was attempting to pass/avoid the #13 and clipped the #29's right rear.Racing incident, no penalty.....

#29 TDRT very avoidable contact while lapping #02; SG penalty.



Now really, give me a break.
I can´t see that the car in front of me jumpstarted. Give me a penalty for this I only see the yellow flag ( like usually ) . Gi´me a penalty for this.

But really , c´mon now. My jumpstart doesn´t give team 11 the right to all of sudden change the racing line, clipping me. If he had looked in the mirrors, he should/would and coulnd have seen me and instead of taking me out we needed to back up there. Sorry Palma, like you a lot, but this wasn´t a clever move, agreed ? See the replay.

Next one.

If I read the rules:

3) Lapped drivers must not defend against overtaking maneuvers presented by lapping cars.

That´s exactely what he did. He had a blue flag since the lap before and in this case he was about to re-pass me. At no time he backed off. At no time he eased his throttle. See the replay once more.He caused me spin. To give us additionally to our crash because of a backmarker a DT for it - a very impulsive reaction by the admins. That´s the way I see it. Here you go.

And yes, I´m pissed off about your decisions. And yes, I´m in the head of a race.

Replay attached as well.

[DeadWolfBones]

Caught out by penalty rules...

Car 07 got a well deserved penalty for chatting...

That i will give you, but handing it out, as the 07 CLEARLY is comming in for a scheduled stop, is not even close to fair... I say CLEARLY as the chatting was done by the driver that was supposed to go into the car. At least wait to hand out the penalty, until the pitstop had been done...

Instead of JUST a DT penalty we got the penalty of having to do the penalty AND drive another lap with next to no fuel...

I admit that i tried to pit, and couldn't do it due to the panalty, and by accident i pressed the PL instead of TS button in the pits UPGRADING the penalty to a SG, hence the pit i was doing didn't count as a DT as it was upgraded, and i suddenly had to do 2 laps on no fuel, ending up being able to make the penalty (SG) and almost finishing the lap following, but at what cost, being last and wait for the push car...

My mate and i decided that it was not worth waiting, just to end up in last place... Besides i was furious with the decition to hand out a DT, BEFORE the planned pitstop ON MY INLAP... :(

That stop was scheduled due to the fact we were almost out of fuel...

Next time try to be fair at least, and let a pitting team come in for their stop BEFORE handing out a deserved penalty, instead you destroyed our race... Thank you...

Regards
Franke... Click

Really sorry about that, Franke. To be honest we really didn't consider the circumstances when we handed the penalty out. It gets to be automatic with chat penalties: you see the chat, you give the DT. This is something we can definitely be more flexible with, though, and in the future we'll assess the situation before delivering the penalty.

However, had you stayed in the race (waited for the PC) and then made this post there's a good chance we would have found a way to give you back some of the lost time. I realize you were frustrated, but you should never give up.

Again, sorry.

[R.Kolz]

Here´s the second replay... :-/

[DeadWolfBones]

Thanks, we're having another look.

[DeadWolfBones]

Kolz, I think the 2nd replay you posted is the same as the 1st one.

Can you tell us what lap the 02/29 incident was on?

[srdsprinter]

It was 43 for me i believe, 44 for him. Out of the chicane I kept my right side on the white line, never moving as he drafted by.

Before he completed the pass he decided to chop me unfortunately.

On the straightaway, never changing line, the whole rest of the track available. Unfortunate impatience really.

[DeadWolfBones]

That's also what it looked like to us, but we're willing to have another look. Thanks for the info.

[DeadWolfBones]

We'll have a look at it after the race because we're having a hard time locating it in the replay right now. I don't think laps 43/44 are correct.

If we were in error with the penalty we'll give the #29 a certain amount of time back, which may change the race results.

[rc10racer]

Here´s the second replay... :-/

Thats the wrong replay, tell me the teams names and will look around about the lap it happened on but the only one i can see around lap 42/44 is between car 34 and 02 which has been looked at.

[bdshan]

Whats the deal with the Admin chats
IGTC Z.Iqbal : :(

[srdsprinter]

#29 R.Kolz
#02 S.Duff

On the front straightaway.

Thats the wrong replay, tell me the teams names and will look around about the lap it happened on but the only one i can see around lap 42/44 is between car 34 and 02 which has been looked at.

[rc10racer]

Whats the deal with the Admin chats

Pressing the wrong button because he has 2 lfses open, same as me when i did it when looking into replays and was on the wrong window.

[DeadWolfBones]

Whats the deal with the Admin chats

they're juggling two instances of LFS, one for replay and one for the actual race. sometimes the two get confused.

[bdshan]

:thumb:

Pressing the wrong button because he has 2 lfses open, same as me when i did it when looking into replays and was on the wrong window.

[Franke]

Really sorry about that, Franke. To be honest we really didn't consider the circumstances when we handed the penalty out. It gets to be automatic with chat penalties: you see the chat, you give the DT. This is something we can definitely be more flexible with, though, and in the future we'll assess the situation before delivering the penalty.

However, had you stayed in the race (waited for the PC) and then made this post there's a good chance we would have found a way to give you back some of the lost time. I realize you were frustrated, but you should never give up.

Again, sorry.

The chat was made by:

07 D.Furey

the penalty was given to:

07 F.Sonne

There is a 07 D.Furey connected, then about 1-4 seconds, then a "Good race" chat message (He was trying to press Shift+F4) as his window was not maximized... When i got the penalty i pressed H to se if there had been a message, and it was not even there anymore, so i was wondering why i got it...

Took you 2 minutes to give me the penalty, and you want to tell me that its automatic? Not even a second was used to check the log?

I accidently pressed PL instead of TS button, to tell that i was not able to pit... What could you have done to that, i was not even supposed to be in the car at that time, there is no way this could have been rectified during the race... NO WAY...

At the time when i was waiting for the push car i had done 2 laps on 2.8% fuel, lost 2 or 3 laps, and would have to wait 1 or 2 more laps to be pushed into the pits, on top of that i had done 1 DT AND 1 SG penalty, and would have to do the pitstop that was intended...

I WAS in 9th or 10th when i was to pit, when i was waiting for the PC i was in 24th i think...

So give up... Not really, admitting that we were hopelessly lost in the race... THAT would be a more appropriate assesment of our situation...

This is not meant to be a bashing of the job you do, but merely a wakeup call to whoever gave that penalty, THIS should not happen again, as this was a total race wrecker... Other than this you admins do a great job of handling incidents during races, but in this case a bit to fast on the trigger...

MY oppinion on chat related penalties, for this not to happen again... DO NOT HAND OUT A PENALTY TO SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T DO THE CRIME, wait for the offender to get in the car, THEN penalize him... Or at lease wait 1 or 2 laps handing out penalties...

Regards
Franke... Click

[srdsprinter]

MY oppinion on chat related penalties, for this not to happen again... DO NOT HAND OUT A PENALTY TO SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T DO THE CRIME, wait for the offender to get in the car, THEN penalize him... Or at lease wait 1 or 2 laps handing out penalties...

Regards
Franke... Click

The precedent has kind of been set already. I accidentally hit the F1 ":)" as I was leaving after a driver change, my team was penalized.

Anywho, you've got 3 laps to serve the pentalty, but it might not let you once you enter pit lane.

Bummer either way.

[MR_B]

Heads Up: A stop go penalty has been handed to 14 D.Lind twice now, however he only stopped the once, and his penalty vanished.

[DeadWolfBones]

Agreed, in the future we need to be more careful about how we hand out those penalties.

[rc10racer]

#29 R.Kolz
#02 S.Duff

On the front straightaway.

There's nothing between those laps even looked between lap 39/47 but still nothing.

[srdsprinter]

hmm... Wait!

I took back over the car after the 2 hour mark. Therefore it must have been lap 49-54 I believe.

[DeadWolfBones]

Heads Up: A stop go penalty has been handed to 14 D.Lind twice now, however he only stopped the once, and his penalty vanished.

No, he got the SG twice because he didn't stop long enough the first time. He served it properly.

[srdsprinter]

Event Complete! great race dudes! Gratz to CoRe :D

[rc10racer]

hmm... Wait!

I took back over the car after the 2 hour mark. Therefore it must have been lap 49-54 I believe.

Thats better i found it, was #29 faults he did not leave enough room for both of you and you was over to the right as per normal, #29 got to close then started to hit your side plus lag = trips to the wall.

[Franke]

The precedent has kind of been set already. I accidentally hit the F1 ":)" as I was leaving after a driver change, my team was penalized.

Anywho, you've got 3 laps to serve the pentalty, but it might not let you once you enter pit lane.

Bummer either way.

Did you read what i wrote???

YOUR chat message happened AFTER your driver change, we didn't get to do one :(

Regards
Franke... Click

[r4ptor]

Whats the deal with the Admin chats

Deeply sorry about that - had 2xLFS running, with the replay running on one, and mixed up those two a couple of times.

[Franke]

Agreed, in the future we need to be more careful about how we hand out those penalties.

Thanks :)

Regards
Franke... Click

[R.Kolz]

It was 43 for me i believe, 44 for him. Out of the chicane I kept my right side on the white line, never moving as he drafted by.

Before he completed the pass he decided to chop me unfortunately.

On the straightaway, never changing line, the whole rest of the track available. Unfortunate impatience really.

No, I just met the wrong guy at the wrong place of a race track.

Happens start of my lap 54, your 53. Looks like lag did it job as well as a minor contact had me blown into the walls. I might be mistaken, but allow me a comment to your driver: I´ve overtaken a lot of blue flagged FZR´s. And even with my engine damage racing they all backed-off and were very cooperating and wouldn´t put me in any danger. Tell me this driver wasn´t about to repass me and I rest my case.

To the admins. At least a decision " racing accident " would have been acceptable. Giving us a SG for it is, once more, is a hard decision against TDRT. And please have a look at the other posted " race incident at SC race restart ( replay ).

MprEdit cuts lap 53/54 it wrong here. So admins please have another look at it some time.

TDRT car #29

[srdsprinter]

Happens start of my lap 54, your 53. Looks like lag did it job as well as a minor contact had me blown into the walls. I might be mistaken, but allow me a comment to your driver: I´ve overtaken a lot of blue flagged FZR´s...

Sorry friend. I was on the main straight driving in a straight line, not defending position at all. You had a draft and were going to clear me easily. I actually was planning on braking early for T1. Your clipping down on me was just baffling as it was on the straight, and you weren't clear (past me).

It wasn't a racing incident, as it was completely avoidable.

[DeadWolfBones]

#2 was driving entirely correctly in that instance. While it is up to the lapped car to give proper room while being lapped, it is also up to the lapping car to pass safely--this the #29 did not do. The #29 had the entire width of the track to use and chose to brush side to side with the #2.

Pretty open and shut case IMO.

[rc10racer]

Like DWB said you had all the track to make the pass work but you went risky instead of safe.

[R.Kolz]

rcpilot once sayed :"Just show a bit mutual respect, often times you end up hurting yourself more attempting to run side by side with traffic you shouldn't be racing."

So true.

I accept the admin decision(-s). EOD.

[DeadWolfBones]

I believe Corey was speaking there of going side by side through corners, not passes on the open straightaway, but nevertheless the remark cuts both ways.

[Droemel]

Report from our driver M.Dakanek:
report: 14. Denis Lind just pulled me out like nobody will be there. i know he got SG, but i am for some points down, cuz i had to save tyres all time from incident.. could be fight for 4th place, but i was defending my position because of this.

It happened in the first sector of lap 88.
Could you please have a look again.


Droemel

[MxN]

First of all, please sorry me for the start, there was my 1st experience in IGTC, so im forget for start with pace-car. Sorry.

srdsprinter
I didn't hit anyone in the race and in the first several laps especially. Show me a screen where i was wrong.
It is second.

UncleBenny
For the lap 19. I had respect the rules - one maneuvre to the side and back to the normal line. I can't see your car at the back-right side. It was no more that just a racing accident, althrough i think there was 30% of my fault and 70% or your's and i have lost a lot of time and get the damage because hit the wall.
It is third.

And for the last, i have a question for DeadWolfBones. As i understand, we should to complete the SG penalty (for the lap 43) at the next race and in the first 3 laps, right?

P.S. Grats to the winner!

[Nes]

Really, i've hit the car #02 at the end of 43th lap, but it had happens because of my fault after exit the turn, and my FXR have went out of my control. The hit into #02 was random. Please, understand this. SG will be very hard penalty for us :shy:

[DeadWolfBones]

And for the last, i have a question for DeadWolfBones. As i understand, we should to complete the SG penalty (for the lap 43) at the next race and in the first 3 laps, right?

No, any penalty given during the race should be served within 3 laps of receiving it. In other words, if you get a penalty on lap 100, you must serve it by the end of lap 102.

[rc10racer]

Really, i've hit the car #02 at the end of 43th lap, but it had happens because of my fault after exit the turn, and my FXR have went out of my control. The hit into #02 was random. Please, understand this. SG will be very hard penalty for us :shy:

I was the one who was looking into most of the accidents and looked into your aswell..... from what i seen you got two wheels on the grass and then came back on to the track which there was no loss off car control at all you just did not take care from your mistake then you crossed onto someone's racing line which ended up running into #02.

[dawesdust_12]

No, any penalty given during the race should be served within 3 laps of receiving it. In other words, if you get a penalty on lap 100, you must serve it by the end of lap 102.

We're serving penalties on the cooldown laps now? :p

[DeadWolfBones]

I swear, Dustin... :D