Changes for LFSBC Season 2

[J@tko]

Hi Guys :)

Although Season 2 of the LFSBC is a few months away yet, I thought I'd bring you up to date on the changes that we will be implementing when the time comes.

Most of these are confirmed, some are still TBC though, so take them with a pinch of salt :thumbsup:

Bi-Weekly Races
For the second season, we will be running Bi-weekly races to give people more chance to practice.

Longer Races
The races in Season 2 will be about 25-30 mins in length, the endurance race being 1 hour in length.

New Calendar (TBC)
BL1 - XFG/XRG – 16 laps
FE1 - UF1 – 30 laps
KY2 - TBO – 12 laps
AS3 – FOX – 15 laps (or maybe 2x 7laps)
WE1 - FBM – 15 laps
BL2 – XFG or RB4 – 20/25 laps
AS5 – GT2 (enduro) – 20 laps w/pit stop

Noob-proofing (:D)
All the tracks will be noob-proofed (Joe's words not mine :D) It's basically just AX objects being placed at strategic points to try and stop carnage and help improved racing.. The actual racing line is unaffected :thumbsup:

Entry Requirements
We will be implementing a minimum entry requirement so that we don't get complete noobs entering :) It won't be too hard to achieve, but will ensure that all competitors have a sound racing knowledge and adequate experience.

You have to have attained 2 of the following prior to signing up:


75 CTRA License points (excluding Bump & Jump)
50 CTRA (tin top) or CTRA SS License points
CTRA Yellow Roof License
1200 online miles
An LFSW uploaded hotlap within 103% (benchmark) of the WR on any combo

And all of the following:


Friendly attitude
Respect for other races, admins and the rules
You consider yourself a ‘beginner’


Championships
There will be 3 championships for Season 2. There is the normal Driver's championship as Season 1, in addition there will be a 'Rookie' (for those new to the LFSBC) and a 'Non-Rookie' (those who competed in Season 1) championships with different point systems.

New Rulebook

The Rulebook has been changed and is now better, with more information and clearer rules :thumbsup:

New Numbering system
This will take into account people's finishing positions from Season 1.

Use of Ventrilo
We will be making the use of Ventrilo mandatory for Season 2. This makes the job of RC much easier as he can give out orders orally rather than having to type everything out or use RCMs.

'Tutors'
We will be asking the top 6 finishers from Season 1 to come back for 1 round each in Season 2, and race with you all. They will be there to give tips and advice, should you need it.

Ballast System
We will be using a ballast system to make the racing closer and more exciting. How we work it out is quite complicated, so before each round I'll make a post in a 'Ballast System' thread detailing how much ballast everyone needs to carry.

Hope to see as good a turnout for Season 2 as we had for Season 1.

Hope to see you all around

J@tko :)

[Dalek0220]

Question: Will the epic-fails (like me) from last season be able to compete?

[J@tko]

Question: Will the epic-fails (like me) from last season be able to compete?
Yes. As long as you meet the entry requirements than that's fine. (We'll publish the entry requirements later) :thumbsup:

EDIT: FYI Sam, you don't yet meet our entry requirements, but one incredibly small change will meet it for you :thumbsup:

[Stefani24]

Great thing, now i hope that i sign up not too late, that i can drive evry race.

[dougie-lampkin]

All sounds good, can't wait for it :thumb:

[evilpimp]

Sounds great and hopefully I'll be able to do that tutor part :D

Calender seems fine. Hopefully the BL2 won't be carnage :P But I think that with XFG being a farely slow car you shouldn't get that much contact like in the high torque RB4.

For the noob-proof thingy as long as it doesn't affect the possibility for some people to overtake it should be fine. Like a 2 wide through some corners shouldn't be changed so that people can still overtake.

Use of TS = great idea.

Bi-weekly races is also a great idea and perhaps during the FP during the weekend were there will not be racing you could get those ''tutors'' to attend the FP's and be ready to coach racers who want it.

As for the entry requirements, well... I think the point is to give beginers a chance to feel what it's like to be in a league. So technicly, any low skill level should be able to attend. However, rules have to be made clear at some point and maybe if for example you could make 1 FP per race mandatory so that the tutor's can talk to the racers individually about how to race in a secure way so that they don't cause any problems.

For the new numbering system, well... I didn't get it lol.

And finally, does that mean that I can attend LFSBC Season 2??? Honestly, I think only some should be aloud to race from those who were in season 1. For example, the top 10 should be excluded from season 2 and the rest could be judged by the race admins.

Anyways, looking forward to this and I'm definetly ready to do some tutoring if needed :). Just let me know if you need me but please take into account that sunday's are pretty much taken with 2 leagues back to back. (litterally) Saturday's are now free however.

Good luck to the race admins and organizers aswell as the future drivers. :)

[JO53PHS]

Calender seems fine. Hopefully the BL2 won't be carnage :P But I think that with XFG being a farely slow car you shouldn't get that much contact like in the high torque RB4.

Racing of that combo seems to be fairly clean on Race 1 so hopefully it won't be too bad.


For the noob-proof thingy as long as it doesn't affect the possibility for some people to overtake it should be fine. Like a 2 wide through some corners shouldn't be changed so that people can still overtake.

None of the noob-proofing is on the actual racing track. Examples of noob proofing are Bales along walls were people are likely to crash (at high speed) and barriers to stop cutting.




And finally, does that mean that I can attend LFSBC Season 2??? Honestly, I think only some should be aloud to race from those who were in season 1. For example, the top 10 should be excluded from season 2 and the rest could be judged by the race admins.


I think the top 6 are excluded :)

[J@tko]

Great thing, now i hope that i sign up not too late, that i can drive evry race.

All sounds good, can't wait for it :thumb:

Be good to have you two with us again :thumbsup:

And ffs Rob, change that bloody avatar!


As for the entry requirements, well... I think the point is to give beginers a chance to feel what it's like to be in a league. So technicly, any low skill level should be able to attend. However, rules have to be made clear at some point and maybe if for example you could make 1 FP per race mandatory so that the tutor's can talk to the racers individually about how to race in a secure way so that they don't cause any problems.

TBH, the entry requirements will take anyone less than an hour to complete, if they start from complete scratch.

They're not hard to get at all, just they show that the driver has a basic level of driving skill, and so that we don't get some n00bs like we did last season.

For the new numbering system, well... I didn't get it lol.

I'll explain it at a later date :thumbsup:

Good luck to the race admins and organizers aswell as the future drivers. :)

Thank you Mr.T!

Hope to see you making an appearance too :)

[dougie-lampkin]

I think the top 6 are excluded :)

7th FTW :D

And ffs Rob, change that bloody avatar!

I like it, I always know where I've posted :rolleyes:

TBH, the entry requirements will take anyone less than an hour to complete, if they start from complete scratch.

I'm intrigued at these new requirements. People will have to actually do something to be elligible? What about those of us who fail? :shrug:

[J@tko]

I like it, I always know where I've posted :rolleyes:
:D:D

I'm intrigued at these new requirements. People will have to actually do something to be elligible? What about those of us who fail? :shrug:

I'm sorry but I'm not divulging what they are at the minute Rob.

They're easy to acheive, and yes, they're 'performance based', so you do actually have to do something.

There are 5 categories of qualification, and you have to achieve at least 2 of them. If you havn't got it yet, then just go out and get them :thumbsup:

FYI Rob, you qualify already :)

[J@tko]

I've just had a chat with Joe about this, and we've decided to make the entry requirements public now.

You have to have attained 2 of the following prior to signing up:
75 CTRA License points (excluding Bump & Jump)
50 CTRA (tin top) or CTRA SS License points
CTRA Yellow Roof License
1200 online miles
An LFSW uploaded hotlap within 103% (benchmark) of the WR on any combo

And all of the following:
Friendly attitude
Respect for other races, admins and the rules
You consider yourself a ‘beginner’


Also, be aware that we have a right to reject any application if we see fit. We will look into any CTRA infractions and may ask for an access key for MyCTRA to look at other infractions. This is to try and secure clean driving within the league.

However, for example, if you do have an infraction on CTRA, this does not mean that we will reject you, we will also look at the report e.t.c. and make a decision then :thumbsup:

Sign-ups won't be open for a while yet - we're just giving you warning of the requirements. :thumbsup:



EDIT: I've edited the OP to include the ballast system :)

[JO53PHS]

Maybe It'd be better to keep a locked thread called 'Ballast System' and each week make a post in there with details of who needs what? :)

/forumcleanupwhore

[dougie-lampkin]

Yay, blue roof FTW :D

Those entry requirements look really good, they're easier than I thought, while still stopping complete noobs from entering. Obtaining yellow roof on tracks like Tudor Rose should really make them more careful :rolleyes:

[J@tko]

Maybe It'd be better to keep a locked thread called 'Ballast System' and each week make a post in there with details of who needs what? :)

/forumcleanupwhore

Good idea Mr. Joe :thumbsup:

Yay, blue roof FTW

Those entry requirements look really good, they're easier than I thought, while still stopping complete noobs from entering. Obtaining yellow roof on tracks like Tudor Rose should really make them more careful

Thanks Rob. :)

IIRC, it takes 6 races of finishing on the lead lap on B'n'J to get Yellow Roof - and thats much harder than it sounds :D

[Dalek0220]

Man, I need CTRA Licenses? That sucks, I'm rarely on CTRA...
and don't want to
I'll get a few laps for the FBM on Ky1 (I'm awesome at that combo).

[J@tko]

Man, I need CTRA Licenses? That sucks, I'm rarely on CTRA...
and don't want to
I'll get a few laps for the FBM on Ky1 (I'm awesome at that combo).

That's why I've put in the bottom two :)

[Dalek0220]

EDIT: Screw that data, I got a gap of 0:00.640.

(WR: 0:49.390 ; Me:0:50.030)

[JO53PHS]

Um.. What? :schwitz:

[J@tko]

Um.. What? :schwitz:

Ditto my thoughts :D

But I've just checked, the -0.39 bit means he's 0.39secs under the benchmark, so he's in :D

[hyntty]

An LFSW uploaded hotlap within 103% (benchmark) of the WR on any combo


How bout u discard KY1?

[JO53PHS]

...and KY1R :shrug:

[hyntty]

Dragstrip?

[JO53PHS]

You can't actually set a hotlap on da 'strip :D

[Dalek0220]

Key is, to make a fast setup. That fast setup gets me to absolute speed, and it is Jack's event, he runs the thing, so he decides. He said all combos allowed, so =P.

[J@tko]

Can I just make a point here.

Yes, I did consider whether to disallow the Oval, but you still have to be quite quick to get a 103% hotlap there, because the lap time is so short. e.g WR in an FO8 is about 38 seconds, and to get 103% you have to get a 39.14 - thats still quite quick.

It's perfectly fine by me to have an oval hotlap to count towards the LFSBC entry.

[dougie-lampkin]

But if you get a GTR on the oval, it's really easy to be within 103%. I can get within 0.2 seconds of the WR in the XRR, solely because of a nice set...

Just my thinking :shrug:

[dougie-lampkin]

You don't have to look at me avatar any more, it was removed (without me being informed *cross-face*) :D

[Kristjan.J]

Can I enter this too? I am still a beginner eh. :shrug:

:P

[JO53PHS]

CTRA Platinum License (16,000 points!!!), 2nd in Estonia, a CTRA lap record and more wins than I've had hot dinners?

I'm somehow unsure... :D

You don't have to look at me avatar any more, it was removed (without me being informed *cross-face*)

Here are some avatars that would suit you well... :D

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=fail&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[hyntty]

... and burned 15000 liters of fuel. Goddamn enviroment terrorist.

[Kristjan.J]

CTRA Platinum License (16,000 points!!!), 2nd in Estonia, a CTRA lap record and more wins than I've had hot dinners?

I'm somehow unsure... :D

Is that a problem? :razz:

[TomMK]

what are the chances of it being at a different time to the last season? Badly want to take part in the next one...

[J@tko]

what are the chances of it being at a different time to the last season? Badly want to take part in the next one...

50% :thumb:

And Tom - havnt seen you on here in ages :thumbsup:

Can I have your msn please?

[J@tko]

Edit above - 99% :thumbsup:

[dougie-lampkin]

I think they'd be better if they were held later in the day. Everybody is just starting or finishing dinner at the time they used to be on. Maybe shift forwards an hour?

[JO53PHS]

Thats what we're doing :)

8pm for two main reasons


I wont be having dinner :D
Tom can comeAnd other reasons include


Rob will be happy
Deko wont FAIL :D

[hyntty]

2. Deko wont FAIL :D

What has this got to do with time? It's self-evidence in this spacetime continuum.

[J@tko]

Deko was always in a rush to get off to work - all will be explained in the next few weeks :thumbsup:

[dougie-lampkin]

Wait...I've failed already...I meant shift backwards an hour :shy:

New time sounds good though, hopefully there'll be more of a turnout :thumbsup:

[J@tko]

Wait...I've failed already...I meant shift backwards an hour :shy:
:D:D

[TomMK]

woop!!! :D:D:D:D 8pm is perfect.

i'd taken leave of LFS to play some more GP4 now the F1 season has started. i love GP4.

I dont really use msn, i don't have the internet at my house yet, BT want £140 to install a phone line!!! :really: I've just started paying off my ridiculous student loan so I've not got £140 to play with :schwitz:.

[Stefani24]

but why is yellow roof a requirement? b&j doesnt have anything to do with racing, its autocross.

[hyntty]

You have to have attained 2 of the following prior to signing up:


75 CTRA License points (excluding Bump & Jump)
50 CTRA (tin top) or CTRA SS License points




wtf? Me confused. Jack pilloc.

[J@tko]

but why is yellow roof a requirement? b&j doesnt have anything to do with racing, its autocross.

B'n'J is very good infact at getting people to race cleanly. It also makes people more aware of their surroundings, as one slip means that they're 10 miles in the air.

wtf? Me confused. Jack pilloc.

I don't see whats confusing :shrug:

You can have 75 points combined or 50 in either :)

For example, if you had 40 CTRA and 45 SS, then you could get in via the first one, if you had 60 and 0, then by the second one :thumbsup:

EDIT: Beatcha Joe! - what happened to the revision?

[hyntty]

I don't see whats confusing :shrug:

You can have 75 points combined or 50 in either :)

For example, if you had 40 CTRA and 45 SS, then you could get in via the first one, if you had 60 and 0, then by the second one :thumbsup:


Erm... If you have 75 points (either one) you get in via both. And there's two criteria attained. It defeats the idea of having two to achieve

[J@tko]

Erm... If you have 75 points (either one) you get in via both. And there's two criteria attained. It defeats the idea of having two to achieve
Yes, and that shows that you have the required level of driving.

[dougie-lampkin]

Perhaps Bump & Jump score divided by 3 could count as part of the 75? CTRA thinks that dividing it by 3 makes it equal to normal racing points anyway :shrug:

[Dizzydarryn]

This sounds awesome... been waiting for the season to be announced... hmmm, saturdays.

[J@tko]

This sounds awesome... been waiting for the season to be announced... hmmm, saturdays.

Go-on, sign up - you know you want to :thumb:

[Stefani24]

B'n'J is very good infact at getting people to race cleanly. It also makes people more aware of their surroundings, as one slip means that they're 10 miles in the air.

Now THAT do i understand :razz:

[AstroBoy]

Can i suggest that the FOX go the 2 Race format with the second race being reverse grid, trust me you'll enjoy that more then just a flat out race.
But thats just my thoughts.

[J@tko]

Can i suggest that the FOX go the 2 Race format with the second race being reverse grid, trust me you'll enjoy that more then just a flat out race.
But thats just my thoughts.
:shhh: It's going to be - I just didn't write that on the calendar accidently - thanks! no-one will notice!

[Dizzydarryn]

is there a reason we racing on sat's instead of, say sundays? sat's clash with my racing...

[J@tko]

is there a reason we racing on sat's instead of, say sundays? sat's clash with my racing...
Because its easier for me, and because Dekojester works on Sunday evening, we had to finish by 8.30 which made it very tight :shrug:

And there's lots of other events on Sunday evenings, some of which I am adminning :shrug:

[dougie-lampkin]

And I have work on Sunday evenings :thumb:

[hyntty]

And some people have Saturdays off.

[evilpimp]

Honestly I liked it better on sundays. It gave me the chance to practice harder on saturday's and there was time for Free Practices on Saturdays. It was well organized and all on sundays. But whatever, your choice. :)

[J@tko]

Honestly I liked it better on sundays. It gave me the chance to practice harder on saturday's and there was time for Free Practices on Saturdays. It was well organized and all on sundays. But whatever, your choice. :)

We're still having the FPs.

And you can still practice the entire weekend before the race :tilt: