FZ50 GT3 Cup

[Leprekaun]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3124/2519206680_bbf2b9e043_o_d.png


Hi all! well, I've been planning this league for a couple months now and its finally here! :). The car used is the FZR with a %10 intake and 70 Kg restrictions to simulate the current Porsche 911 GT3 Cup car that is used in the Porsche Mobil 1 Supercup.

Regarding race dates, I have two proposed calendars. One that runs every week and one that runs every two weeks. You can find them both in the document. I will hold a poll to see what you guys are more happy with.

How to sign up:

Please provide your name, your LFS licence name, LFS screen name, the country you're representing, your team and whether you'll be creating your own skin and if not, as explained in the document, please provide details to the colours you wish to use.

Please write in the following format:

Name:

Licence name:

Screen name:

Country:

Team name:

I have my own skin:(yes/no + details on colours that you wish to use)

You can find all the information you need in the attachments below but sign up quick! registration closes June 7th.

UPDATE: Updated FZ50 GT3 Cup document.

Kind Regards,

Leprekaun (League administrator)

Sign up list:

Sign up list can be found here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43539)

[mkinnov8]

Nice one Leprekaun, looks like a good, well thought out league and I hope it goes well.

Best wishes :)

[lovretta]

What about setups? Porsche GT3 Cup cars all use the same -locked- suspension setup and gear ratios? If values could be found from somewhere it would be very realistic :)

Check this
http://www.motorsport.org.nz/Pdf/0708%20GT3%20Tech%20Regs%20App1.pdf
Edit: also this
http://www.motorsport.org.nz/Pdf/0708%20GT3%20Tech%20Regs.pdf


Almost all data is here; springs are described with three numbers:

100-60-260; This means
60mm inner diameter

100mm lenght

260 N/mm spring rate

[Leprekaun]

I discussed the matter of restricting other parts of setup with an InSim coder but unfortunately, he said its not possible :( so thats a rule that I'm afraid I can't restrict.

[Leprekaun]

Nice one Leprekaun, looks like a good, well thought out league and I hope it goes well.

Best wishes :)

You're very welcome to join of course :) and invite some friends along too :)

[Jakg]

Couldn't you just have everyone send you their set at the end and check?

You should be able to trust your drivers, though...

[mkinnov8]

Fixed setups in LFS is possible with a bit of help from those who know what they are doing!! Check out these threads:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=41804
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=41953

Not sure if its still developed, but a useful tool regardless.

Id love to enter, but not free one the dates of your competitions.

[Bean0]

I'd like to enter this, but will have to check whether I;m going to have time.

Best of luck with it, should be a goodun :)

[Leprekaun]

ok, I'll run restricted setups. I'll add the rule to the document but I'm going to test out the restricted downforce settings (apparently, the front wing can't be adjusted and is set at the lowest value possible). The spring rates and damper shouldn't be a problem. Brake power is also restricted so I've decided to calculate the brake power by calculating the average brake power of all WR sets.

Will add all the various restricted settings in the document once I calculate the brake power.

[danowat]

Sounds fun, especially with the forced setup idea.

I would be in, but I would probably miss 3 events because I will be in Australia :(

[hyntty]

Sounds interesting but the time isn't very convenient. If the quali starts at 11 pm and then there's 2 races it'll be quite late when it's finished, considering some people have to wake up early for work.

[Speedy Pro]

Sounds like an awesome idea, but I've got no team, I'm rubbish with the FZR and more importantly, I'm on the other side of the globe :(

Edit: if having a team is not absolutely necessary, I'd be interested to join. But why not run the events on weekends (Sat. or Sun.)? Mid-week racing may be difficult to accomodate for many, especially during the fall. Meant in the spirit of a friendly suggestion :)

[JO53PHS]

Do you have to be in a Team to do this, and does it matter If I suddenly can't make a race because, say, my dinner is at 8:00? :D

[hyntty]

does it matter If I suddenly can't make a race because, say, my dinner is at 8:00? :D

There are two races. I think you'd do quali and miss r1

[JO53PHS]

I meant would it be ok IF my dinner was at 8:00. It's usually earlier though :)

[JO53PHS]

Name: Joseph Ellis

Licence name: JO53PHS

Screen name: JO53PHS

Country: England

Team name: n/a

I have my own skin: I don't have my own skin yet, but I am going to make one. I will tell you what colours once I've decided :)

[Leprekaun]

ok, great, will add you to the sign up list. As for the skins, if you're going to make one, thats fine, no need to state colours but the idea, as stated in the document, is that if you don't, I can create a skin for you based on the FZ50 GT3 Cup skin design that I've created (cars in my avatar) but with the colour scheme that you want.

Yes, a team is required.

[bbman]

I like the idea, will have to see if I can find the time to take part... :)

ok, I'll run restricted setups. I'll add the rule to the document but I'm going to test out the restricted downforce settings (apparently, the front wing can't be adjusted and is set at the lowest value possible). The spring rates and damper shouldn't be a problem. Brake power is also restricted so I've decided to calculate the brake power by calculating the average brake power of all WR sets.

Will add all the various restricted settings in the document once I calculate the brake power.

If the 260 N/mm are right, it's off the scale for the FZR (only goes to 250 N/mm)... From what I've understood, the only adjustable parameters in terms of suspension are the ride height and the ARB's... Gearing is fixed, as is the diff locking, but there is no mentioning of tyres and steering... Also, you've got to throw in 20 kg more ballast, as the minimum weight with driver is 1240 kg...

[JO53PHS]

Yes, a team is required.

I'll ask a few people if they want to be my team mate. If not I'll have to pull out :(

[banister]

I think the league sounded better without the setup restrictions. I really like these cars, and the 10% intake and 50kgs ballast sound awsome to me, just dont think the fixed suspention or gearing is partiulary appealing, i know i like to change my susp. values during the race for example :shrug:

[Kristjan.J]

This sounds cool, depends of a date, I might be there.

[BenjiMC]

I like the fixed setups. True to the series. however will be hard to implement in practice.

[R3DMAN]

i think i would like to join..

should be pretty free on them days (finish work at 4pm)

will be my first league event since STCC!

ill fill in the details for you

Name: Chris Redman

Licence name: R3DMAN

Screen name: Chris Redman

Country: United Kingdom

Team name: RC Developmets

I have my own skin: Yes i do, majority white with blue, red and carbon.

[himself]

Is it possible to create a team of only one person? : )

[lovretta]

I like the idea, will have to see if I can find the time to take part... :)

If the 260 N/mm are right, it's off the scale for the FZR (only goes to 250 N/mm)...
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9632/260nmmeq7.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=260nmmeq7.jpg)

:) I have Test patch Y19.

From what I've understood, the only adjustable parameters in terms of suspension are the ride height and the ARB's...
ARBs's:
Front - five different settings
Rear - four different settings


Gearing is fixed, as is the diff locking, but there is no mentioning of tyres and steering... Also, you've got to throw in 20 kg more ballast, as the minimum weight with driver is 1240 kg...
The minimum racing weight for:
Class 997 vehicle, including the driver is 1,240kg.
Question is what "racing weight" means - how much fuel is this.


It really is hard to reconstruct these in LFS, especially considering that 997 Cup has 260N/mm springs, which none of these WR sets seem to use, they use much much less. Also car has another spring.
More on relation between "Main" and "second" springs:
http://e30m3performance.com/tech_articles/susp-tech/springs/index.htm
So considering this, actual wheel rate may not be so easily calculated, maybe it is possible to combine tender and main spring so that actual spring rate can be calculated -which is probably less then 260n/mm

If the locked setups will be used, it would be brand new car in LFS.:D:tilt:

[Leprekaun]

Is it possible to create a team of only one person? : )

well, at the moment, no but maybe you and JO53PHS can team up :) as he is interested too but doesn't have a team. I'll have a look at the drivers interested one day before the registration deadline and can pair you up with another driver who doesn't have a team.

[Leprekaun]

So considering this, actual wheel rate may not be so easily calculated, maybe it is possible to combine tender and main spring so that actual spring rate can be calculated -which is probably less then 260n/mm

Well, if you can calculate that, please let me know :).

[JO53PHS]

I may have someone to go with, but atm he is undecided. I'll keep you posted as to what's happening. :)

[himself]

Name: Michał Taryma

Licence name: Himself

Screen name: Hemicuda

Country: Poland

Team name: -

I have my own skin: I intend to make my own one.

[bbman]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9632/260nmmeq7.th.jpg (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=260nmmeq7.jpg)

:) I have Test patch Y19.

Ah, so that limit got increased in the test patches then...

ARBs's:
Front - five different settings
Rear - four different settings

Ok, it's also kind of important which values those are... ;)

The minimum racing weight for:
Class 997 vehicle, including the driver is 1,240kg.
Question is what "racing weight" means - how much fuel is this.

Usually, this is the weight the car has to weigh at the end of the race... But this is impossible to track in LfS, so I think it should be the weight of the car + driver without any fuel in it...

It really is hard to reconstruct these in LFS, especially considering that 997 Cup has 260N/mm springs, which none of these WR sets seem to use, they use much much less. Also car has another spring.
More on relation between "Main" and "second" springs:
http://e30m3performance.com/tech_articles/susp-tech/springs/index.htm
So considering this, actual wheel rate may not be so easily calculated, maybe it is possible to combine tender and main spring so that actual spring rate can be calculated -which is probably less then 260n/mm

If the locked setups will be used, it would be brand new car in LFS.:D:tilt:

Yeah, I figured... I quickly threw together a vague setup and it really is a new car... The tracks are much bumpier, but the car is incredibly stable (too stable almost)...

[lovretta]

Ok, it's also kind of important which values those are... ;)

Heh :), written nothing since I really didn't know what to write. This also should be calculated - why? Well, this is the data on arb's
Front: steel 26.8mm diameter
Rear: steel 20.7mm diameter.
Probably it could be calculated using some formulas, steel rigidity or similiar "constants", also lenght, and one more thing is missing, this is probably outer diameter, whats with the inner...
And another thing. This is the data of the 996 911 GT3 Cup. But it should be close.


Don't know have I posted this one, but it is much detailed

http://www.motorsport.org.nz/Pdf/0708%20GT3%20Tech%20Regs.pdf

[scania]

I would like to join, but the time is not suitable

[JO53PHS]

I've made a rather basic skin, which I'm going to add more things to soon.

I just wanted an opinion on the funny design thing on the doors, out of 10.

10 being "OMG WHAT ARE YOU ON!!11"
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5 being "That's quite weird"
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1 being "That looks cool"

[R3DMAN]

JO53PHS - its ok, this is mine that i made last night.

[JO53PHS]

Hmmm... I'm good at making skins, I can just never think of what I could put on them :(. Is the light blue colour a bit naff? :D

And by the way, you'll need to ditch those carbon mirrors to comply with the rules :D

[R3DMAN]

the colour is ok, but the stripes down the middle are just the first thing everyone puts on...

id think of a team (search google for help) and make a copy, maybe the silk cut jaguar skin..that would look good.

[Leprekaun]

Those skins are looking nice there fellas :). Will make you your nametags and number boards soon :)

[JO53PHS]

I made it look a bit 'different' by changing the colour and adding some funky circles :D, as well as removing the stripes.

[Leprekaun]

just out of interest, for those who can't attend because of the start time, could you tell me how much earlier would the event have to be so that you can attend?

[R3DMAN]

that looks matt black lol, better than it was by a long way.. but there is nothing in the skin that points to a team.. i like the circles tho.

i have revised mine a little.

[R3DMAN]

just out of interest, for those who can't attend because of the start time, could you tell me how much earlier would the event have to be so that you can attend?

on that note, i can only make it if its after 7pm.

[G!NhO]

Name: Gino vV

Licence name: G!NhO

Screen name: G!NhO

Country: Netherlands

Team name: /

I have my own skin: maybe ill make one in orange and black or something

[PaulJ_85]

I'd be up for this, as a team mate of R3DMAN

think i would like to join..

My only concern is I'm unsure about 11th of june :( Any chance of the 10th? :really: 11th = Uni Results Day :scratchch I doubt I'll be able to walk due to drunkness let alone race.


ill fill in the details for you

Name: Paul Joslin

Licence name: PaulJ_85

Screen name: Paul Joslin

Country: United Kingdom

Team name: RC Developmets

I have my own skin: Same As Chris's (R3DMAN)'s

Is there a server to practice this on with the required weight / power restrictions?

[W1ldPort75]

Name: Nuno Pinheiro

Licence name: W1ldPort75

Screen name: [RM] W1ldPort

Country: Germany

Team name: Racing Minds

I have my own skin: Yes i do , i´ll post it later :thumb:

Same question here as PaulJ , is there a server online ?

[JO53PHS]

that looks matt black lol, better than it was by a long way.. but there is nothing in the skin that points to a team.. i like the circles tho.

i have revised mine a little.

It's a gradient from Black to dark grey all around the car :). I'm not going to add anything team related until I actually have a team :D:D

[Leprekaun]

RC Developments Skin kit.

Includes your number boards and name tags. Just select a layer (I've made 4, 2 for driver #1 (one white text, one black text) and driver #2 (one white text, one black text). Place at 0, 0 pixels of your .psd for it to be in the correct position.

Please don't modify. Don't worry, I've compensated all the logos for stretching ;)

[R3DMAN]

cheers, have you thought about using insim to make it so you cant use any other values for Intake and Weight? like the CTRA Servers do.?

also, with the fixed setups, im assuming you are going to get everyone to send there setups at the end of the race?

for example soon as you are finished, in an order you control the setups from drivers are sent for you to look at later on, so if a driver quits to pits or doesnt send their setup is a disqualification of the race and all points for that race will be removed.?/

[Leprekaun]

Yep, I will request all drivers to send their qualifying setups before qualifying and before both races. I will be enforcing a no Shift+S or Shift+P rule to better enforce the fixed setups system.

I'll be adding the setup parameters to the document once I calculate the average brake power of all WR sets. I've already done suspension now but still, I think we need to do some testing to make sure that the car is driveable.

On a side note, the server is now online so if you'd like to join in, I'm on the server now.

[DR] FZ50 GT3 Cup (lfs://%7C%5BDR%5D+FZ50+GT3+Cup%7C0%7CS2%7C/)

[R3DMAN]

would it not be easier for you, and less to manage if after the race finished, each driver sends there setups so u can check them after the race, so once race is finished and we are lined up in the pits, in order of finish you save each one then once its sent they spectate, so the next person knows to send the next one..

also, the setup you will be supplying, is there going to be 1 set for the whole league? or each track..

edit:

regarding all the skins etc, i would be more than happy to organise a full res set that i can send to you with everyones skins etc, and make sure they all meet requirements. (mainly because i want 2048x2048 skins on my race :P)

edit: again...

are you aware that LFS remote doesnt show your server online. i cant see it in the list, and it might be good if people want to watch..

also is there a password for the server?(i cant get on at the min because im using my laptop the g/f has stolen my pc for faceook.... )

[commandermas]

Name: Manuel Schulz

Licence name: commandermas

Screen name: [RM] Commander

Country: Germany

Team name: Racing Minds Team 2

I have my own skin: Yes i do , i´ll post it later

Question to that: is it possible to have more than one pair of drivers by one team?

[R3DMAN]

ok mine and pauls skins are done.

here is a pic.

[Leprekaun]

If any of you guys are interested in doing some FZ50 GT3 Cup testing, I'm heading to the server now. I have a beta set that we can use thats based on the average of all WR sets (suspension and brakes) but all other settings are based on Jet's BL1 Patch X set. Anyway, point is to test so if you're interested, come on down :).

[R3DMAN]

i really would but i cant missis is here..

id watch you on lfs remote tho if the server was there...

also i have made the rear logo slightly darker on my car as it wasnt really viewable.. i hope this is ok..

also are you forcing the cockpit?

edit i just realised you have to put your server forward.. on the lfsworld.

go to remote, then click the [?] button at the bottom right then clik the 2nd link [the InSim Relay service]

quickly fill in the details as id love to jsut watch while the missis is here.

[Leprekaun]

sorry man, I'm not running the server do don't know the IP address :(. Will add it as soon as I know it.

[carlson74]

Name: Stephan Carls

Licence name: carlson74

Screen name: [RM] Losty

Country: Germany

Team name: Racing Minds Team 2

I have my own skin: http://www.racing-minds.net/dloads/team2.jpg

[JO53PHS]

This is effing rediculous. I've just been told to go to 3id 3 because the server is effed, and its frigging passworded ffs! :really:

[Dennis93]

This is effing rediculous. I've just been told to go to 3id 3 because the server is effed, and its frigging passworded ffs! :really:

U have a pw

[PaulJ_85]

On a side note, the server is now online so if you'd like to join in, I'm on the server now.

[DR] FZ50 GT3 Cup (lfs://%7C%5BDR%5D+FZ50+GT3+Cup%7C0%7CS2%7C/)

Just been on this server practicing and the lag was horrendous... car's just had 'lag' above them, and didn't move and then people kept getting kicked off the server.

[moppaking]

Name: Dennis Kesper

Licence name: moppaking

Screen name: [RM] Moppa

Country: Germany

Team name: Racing Minds

I have my own skin: I´ll take our team skin with cup plates
(Skin preview see below)

[R3DMAN]

ill have a word with someone in the know about providing us with a server if u like...

i can guarentee tho that it will be lag free always.

[Speedy Pro]

just out of interest, for those who can't attend because of the start time, could you tell me how much earlier would the event have to be so that you can attend?

Leprekaun, I'd really like to do this, but 8PM GMT makes it 1 pm or 12 pm over here. That's fine during the summer, but probably undoable during the fall season (school, etc.) on a Wednesday. Is there any chance the dates could be moved to a weekend instead? This might also get more people from the western hemisphere interested...

Edit: damn, I misspelled your name twice! :banghead:

[W1ldPort75]

If there are any server problems maybe i can come up with something good :thumb: , don´t worry about a server , we have enough ;) . Lep , just beep at me on MSN :thumbsup:

[Leprekaun]

Thanks guys for offering.. Its my team manager who is running the servers for the team so we're trying to resolve the issue of the major lag (or warping cars) as its happening on all our servers. If we can't fix it, I'll let you know :). He should be installing the LFS Car Restrictor on it as well when he installs mono (apparently, the equivalent of .net but for Linux) so that it can work.

[Dizzydarryn]

here's my skin, should i compete in the series...

Name: Darryn Lobb

Licence name: Dizzydarryn

Screen name: Darryn Lobb

Country: South Africa

Team name: NONE

I have my own skin: Yes

[Kirill.D]

What is the maximum count of registrations ? 30 ?

[[GR]Evolution]

Hey guys. I don't know if I have chosen the right thread for this but I had a enjoyful practice session last night with Lep and I have tweaked a bit the last set he gave me (tyre pressures and camber) and I wanted to share it. I did some high 34s without managing to put any clean lap. Might be able to get much lower though even with race pace. Is it ok if I post it here Lep although im not participating?

[R3DMAN]

high 34's on what track?

[R3DMAN]

sounds good, im going to go on the server in a bit to see how it is..

what laps are you guys getting with 10% and 50kg? (blackwood btw)

[mikey_G]

I'm very interested in this league, but can someone post a baseline setup here that's allowed for use?

[[GR]Evolution]

high 34's on what track?
WE1/FZR

[bhw1144]

Name: Achim Fischer

Licence name: bhw1144

Screen name: [RM] bhw1144

Country: Germany

Team name: Racing Minds Team Speed-Magazin.de

I have my own skin

[Leprekaun]

Sorry Achim, no more Racing Minds teams. There are two already.

[Leprekaun]

Evolution;810049']Hey guys. I don't know if I have chosen the right thread for this but I had a enjoyful practice session last night with Lep and I have tweaked a bit the last set he gave me (tyre pressures and camber) and I wanted to share it. I did some high 34s without managing to put any clean lap. Might be able to get much lower though even with race pace. Is it ok if I post it here Lep although im not participating?

Yeah, sure :).

@R3DMAN: At the moment, my best is 1:10.35 but still playing with tyre pressures.

To the rest of you: this isn't the final set. It still has to be tested. If it does the job round the other tracks, then we could consider it :). I'm currently working on a setup that was originally Westhill and tweaked it for Blackwood (tweaked permitted settings).

[bhw1144]

ok

Name: Achim Fischer

Licence name: bhw1144

Screen name: bhw1144

Country: Germany

Team name: Speed-Magazin.de

I have my own skin


:D

it´s just fun

it´s ok that you say no more rm

[himself]

It would be great if you attach the racing setup in first post and describe which settings are allowed to be changed.

Will pitting be required during the race?

[Speedy Pro]

Ok, here goes...

Name: Bayram Orazov

Licence name: Speedy Pro

Screen name: 2002tii

Country: USA

Team name: NONE

I have my own skin: will make one; most likely colors are red, white, blue and/or yellow

As I've mentioned before, worst case is I miss some races in the fall season. But this is too much fun to pass up :)

[TysCaargh]

Ok, here goes...

Name: Markus Kierse

Licence name: tyscaargh

Screen name: [DR] Tys

Country: de

Team name: Dynamite Racing

I have my own skin: suure

[R3DMAN]

Yeah, sure :).

@R3DMAN: At the moment, my best is 1:10.35 but still playing with tyre pressures.

To the rest of you: this isn't the final set. It still has to be tested. If it does the job round the other tracks, then we could consider it :). I'm currently working on a setup that was originally Westhill and tweaked it for Blackwood (tweaked permitted settings).

send me the set so i can test it :)

[Leprekaun]

Ok, here goes...

Name: Markus Kierse

Licence name: tyscaargh

Screen name: [DR] Tys

Country: de

Team name: Dynamite Racing

I have my own skin: suure

Finally!! I was wondering when you were going to sign up :D

@R3DMAN: I'd say with R2s, 1:09s are possible. I made a change to the set the day I got that lap but can't remember if I got a 1:10.35 with the new changes or the old set. If it isn't, change front pressures to 12.8 psi instead of the current 10.7.

[[GR]Evolution]

Ok, here is my try. Hope this is useful.

[G!NhO]

Finally!! I was wondering when you were going to sign up :D

@R3DMAN: I'd say with R2s, 1:09s are possible. I made a change to the set the day I got that lap but can't remember if I got a 1:10.35 with the new changes or the old set. If it isn't, change front pressures to 12.8 psi instead of the current 10.7.

i did only 3 laps and got 1:13.03, i think i gotta practice some more :razz:

[lovretta]

Hello I've found more data; especially considering tyres pressure.
Ride height is measured when all 4 tyres are inflated to 1.5bar WITH driver in.
Minimum front tyre pressure is 1.43bar
Minimum rear tyre pressure is 1.32 bar.

[Tweaker]

here's my skin, should i compete in the series...

Name: Darryn Lobb

Licence name: Dizzydarryn

Screen name: Darryn Lobb

Country: South Africa

Team name: NONE

I have my own skin: Yes
looks like your real racecar Darryn :tilt: good luck :thumbsup:

[Dizzydarryn]

i think i might have a bit of time to play around tonight. just to make sure... ive got the set posted and the bunch u emailed to me Lep, what are we gonna be allowed to change (ride height etc).

also, how can i find the server, will it be up and running tonight to have a practice. if not, ill prob practice on BW GP

[Leprekaun]

At the moment, in suspension, only ride height and anti roll bars are adjustable, everything else has to stay as it is.

Fixed settings:

Spring stiffness: 250 N/mm R / 250 N/mm F

Bump Damping: 8.3 Ns/mm R / 6.8 Ns/mm F

Rebound Damping: 10.5 Ns/mm R / 9.8 Ns/mm F

NOTE: Dampers have been set by the average calculation of all WR sets.

For tyres, according to lovretta, minimum pressures are 143 kPa F and 132 kPa rear.

Camber, caster and Toe In are fully adjustable.

Front wing can't be adjusted (at the moment, I'm not sure if it has to be set at 1 degree or 4), rear wing is adjustable up to 12 degrees.

You must use only one tyre compound (R3s) for both qualifying and race.

The added mass position must be placed at 25% (may change to 96% to simulate the weight distribution of the 997 GT3 Cup car) with the driver weight included.

Maximum brake power per wheel is 1869 Nm (average brake power of all WR sets combined). Brake bias is adjustable but is advised to use 60%

Fixed differential setting (power: 40% / coast: 60% / preload: 180 Nm)

Fixed gear ratios:

1st: 3.167

2nd: 2.133

3rd: 1.722

4th: 1.400

5th: 1.130

6th: 0.931

Final Drive: 4.000

I've attached the set based on the following setup restrictions.

NOTE: the setup restrictions are subject to change until I can find out exactly whats restricted and to what value and how adjustable are the parts that are allowed to be adjsted.

[PaulJ_85]

Is the server not up now? I can't find it.

[Leprekaun]

yeah, sorry, we're having some difficulties with some server lag issues. It'll be fixed soon.

[Kristjan.J]

Name: Kristjan Järve

Licence name: Kristjan.J

Screen name: Kristjan (there is also some symbols what I can't write in forum, got them from in-game)

Country: Estonia

Team name: -

I have my own skin: Yes, you made me one. :)

[PaulJ_85]

Hmm... last night I practiced with my own setup and was doing consistant low 1 min 10s...

Now I've started using the 'setup' I'm struggling to do low 11's...

I'm not sure what is so up with it? maybe the diff, or maybe the stiff suspension keep making it launch off the ground and get no drive when i hit the kerbs or something, it's a bit odd, i can't find where I'm losing the time, but it just didn't feel as quick.

[Leprekaun]

try this one (based on the alternate setup restrictions in the Setup Restrictions topic)

[Speedy Pro]

try this one (based on the alternate setup restrictions in the Setup Restrictions topic)

I like this set! It's much more stable than the previous one. Car is far less twitchy out of the corners, which for long races is really important.

[Dizzydarryn]

try this one (based on the alternate setup restrictions in the Setup Restrictions topic)

I also struggled quite a bit with the set last night. the car was incredibly pointy (off power) and very snappy anywhere near the curbs... is it just me, i didnt do much driving tho so i was still getting used to the car.

What sort of times should we be aiming for around BW... 10.XX??

[Kirill.D]

Name: Kirill Dremljuga

Licence name: Kirill.D

Screen name: c4R|Kirill

Country: Estonia

Team name: c4Racing

I have my own skin: Yes - i will post it later.

[R3DMAN]

Hmm... last night I practiced with my own setup and was doing consistant low 1 min 10s...

Now I've started using the 'setup' I'm struggling to do low 11's...

I'm not sure what is so up with it? maybe the diff, or maybe the stiff suspension keep making it launch off the ground and get no drive when i hit the kerbs or something, it's a bit odd, i can't find where I'm losing the time, but it just didn't feel as quick.


the intake restriction is still at 10% but the added mass is 70% we used 50%

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Name: Craig Taylor & André Ferreira

Licence name: TAYLOR-MANIA & LiveForBoobs

Screen name: As above

Country: England & Portugal

Team name: RacingX

I have my own skin: Not yet

[Dizzydarryn]

the intake restriction is still at 10% but the added mass is 70% we used 50%

Ok, im getting a lil confused with all these set changes... which set should we be using (do understand that is continuous developement)?. I wanna try the set with correct weight distribution and intake restriction etc...

And also, we aiming to get to around 1min11 to be in with a chance?

[Ihab Abbas]

Name: Ihab Abbas

Licence name: ihab abbas

Screen name: PRT I Abbas

Country: Egypt

Team name: Pharaohs Racing Team

I have my own skin: PRT team skin

Thanks

[Sueycide_FD]

Name:Tiffany Green

Licence name: Sueycide_FD

Screen name: T.Green#23USA

Country: USA

Team name: Mine's

I have my own skin: Blue and White, however isnt made yet.

[Dizzydarryn]

try this one (based on the alternate setup restrictions in the Setup Restrictions topic)

thats quite a neat set. quite a bit easier to drive than the other i tried. first time out and i got into the 12's quite comfortably.

Its very heavy on hear tyres and the fronts just never get temperature so u can play aaround a bit there!

also, i play auto clutch with DFP, i start burning the clutch out about 6-7 laps in? any ideas?

[Dru]

thats quite a neat set. quite a bit easier to drive than the other i tried. first time out and i got into the 12's quite comfortably.

Its very heavy on hear tyres and the fronts just never get temperature so u can play aaround a bit there!

also, i play auto clutch with DFP, i start burning the clutch out about 6-7 laps in? any ideas?

lift off then change then put the gas back on... nice and simple.

If its caused by anything else, then it's down to you going too low in the gear rev range mid corner and its burning as its trying to pull up out of it

[Dru]

Its very heavy on hear tyres and the fronts just never get temperature so u can play aaround a bit there!


Those sets already have the minimum tyre pressures on the front.. tbh it will be almost impossible to heat them up problem with the set being stuck to this setting :shrug:

Sure you can mess with a few other things - but over a 21 lap race at BL1 then surely by the end the fronts will be stone cold?

[Dizzydarryn]

ok, ive played around with a whole bunch of pressures and cambers. i assume we are allowed to change those sort of things?

and ive managed to get alot more consistency into the temps, all be it over half race distance and got down to a 12.3 (still struggling with the car alot, 1st time ive ever driven it, and with 20 lap fuel load)

Im losing LOADS of time through the first chicane cause of the curbs and alos thru the last corner! i reckon, at least a second.

[R3DMAN]

with this set i set the AI going on PRO with no restrictions as to get the same laptimes (1:11:xx) and by the end of the 21 laps the fronts were STONE COLD..

i dont see it as a problem really, just put the weight over the front end, it should help.

[AMB]

Name: Matthew Beattie

Licence name: AMB

Screen name: [DSR] Messy

Country: England

Team name: DarkSideRacing, NONE for league.

I have my own skin: No

[Dru]

with this set i set the AI going on PRO with no restrictions as to get the same laptimes (1:11:xx) and by the end of the 21 laps the fronts were STONE COLD..

i dont see it as a problem really, just put the weight over the front end, it should help.

but at the moment the regs are saying either 37% or maybe 100%.

TBH there is way too much setup changes at the moment/ I personally think that pressures and weight should be open to the driver rather than set :shrug:

[R3DMAN]

i agree we should be allowed to change out own tyre pressures.. deffinatly..

but 37 - 100 what? weight position?

[Leprekaun]

Its 37% for now. Will do some personal testing with 100 tonight but for now, use 37%.

[Dru]

i agree we should be allowed to change out own tyre pressures.. deffinatly..

but 37 - 100 what? weight position?



yup

[pacesetter]

I should be able to do this league if you can drive the FZR with an Xbox360 controller, can you? and doesnt a 997 GT3 have something like 408bhp?

[Dru]

Its 37% for now. Will do some personal testing with 100 tonight but for now, use 37%.


where and when?

it would be good to try out somewhere together - much better than all this forum tennis :thumb:

[R3DMAN]

i have a server up called 'Corsasport' the password is 'r3dman'

thats where i have been practising :)

[banister]

Name: Alasdair MacCrone

Licence name: Banister

Screen name: 3id A.MacCrone

Country: Scotland

Team name: My3id Gaming

I have my own skin: Yes

[BenjiMC]

Name: Benjamin Crooks

Licence name: BenjiMC

Screen name: 3id B.Crooks

Country: England

Team name: My3id Gaming

I have my own skin: Yes

[Leprekaun]

Just so that everyone doesn't panic :) about the missing forum topics regarding skin rules, scrutineering and racing conduct, they've all been merged into one post known as "FZ50 GT3 Cup: Rules". Each section has been divided into a seperate post.

[JO53PHS]

I think I'm going to withdraw from this. I haven't got a team, and after some laps, I don't really think this is for me.

[Leprekaun]

Patience ;). Just keep at it. Trust me, the more you drive, the better you get. Try and spectate some of the other drivers too to try and learn from them.

[Dizzydarryn]

Patience ;). Just keep at it. Trust me, the more you drive, the better you get. Try and spectate some of the other drivers too to try and learn from them.

Yeah i agree. just stick it out. its a very awekward car to drive untill you get used to it im pretty new to LFS and have pretty much only been racing an XFG. i struggled my ass off untill i spent a couple hours just trying things yest afternoon and managed to get down to low 11's (started out doing 15's!!!)

Itll be worth while!

[Dennis93]

Name: Dennis Lind

Licence name: Dennis93

Screen name: Dennis93

Country: Denmark

Team name: FZ RennSport

I have my own skin: i hope you get it fixed Leprekaun,/ Yes

[Leprekaun]

Finally! :D

[JO53PHS]

I'm not withdrawing from this because I'm finding it hard to drive the car, its more that I'm not enjoying driving it :shrug:, which isn't because I can't drive it :D

[G!NhO]

I'm not withdrawing from this because I'm finding it hard to drive the car, its more that I'm not enjoying driving it :shrug:, which isn't because I can't drive it :D

I cannot drive either :razz:

[Primoz]

I may drop out but better to have a spot for sure. If we cahnge the start time i'm in for sure.

Name: Primož Resman

Licence name: Primoz

Screen name: n1 P. Resman

Country: Slovenia

Team name: n1Racing

I have my own skin: yes

I'll ask my teammates if they want to join

[[UKR] Race King]

Name:Max Cherkashyn

Licence name:[UKR] Race King

Screen name:Max C.

Country:Ukraine

Team name:YART

I have my own skin:yes

[spankmeyer]

Name: Mikko Huotari

Licence name: spankmeyer

Screen name: Spankmeyer

Country: Finland

Team name: YART

I have my own skin: Team skin in the making!

Am I in or am I in? :)

[niall09]

Name: Niall McEvoy

Licence name: niall09

Screen name: 3id N.McEvoy

Country: Ireland

Team name: My3id Gaming #2

I have my own skin: Not yet.

[Vain]

Name: Patrick Galaske

Licence name: vain

Screen name: 3id P.Galaske

Country: Germany

Team name: My3id Gaming #2

I have my own skin: Not yet.

[R3DMAN]

patrick, will be a pleasure driving with you again :)

[spankmeyer]

Would someone like to be my friend (best friends forever!) in this league? :shy:

[Leprekaun]

Why not see about Niko? :). Race along with a fellow Finn :)

[LFSn00b]

Name: Niko Puntola

Licence name: LFSn00b

Screen name: [sr]nikopdr

Country: Finland

Team name: n/a

I have my own skin: YES

I forgot to sign up when you informed me about this, Lep :)

[G!NhO]

who wants to make a team with me??? :D

[Leprekaun]

Guys, please check the following post: Nicknames (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=815111#post815111)

[Kirill.D]

I'm withdrawing from league, some things changed and it seems that i wont be able to drive at certain dates..

[spankmeyer]

Spanky and [UKR] Race King have formed a team...

*snare roll*













YART

Yet Another Racing Team.

[LiMiTED]

Hello, i want to join your league ;)

Name: Daniel Pätzold

Licence name: LiMiTED

Screen name: LiMiTED (in white)

Country: Germany

Team name: teamless

I have my own skin: no, but i like the mix of the colours red & black

[Dizzydarryn]

ummm, not sure if its just me... but the nicknames thread is wrong?!?

Shouldnt number come after team?

can delete this post after?

oh yes, anyone gonna be on the server this week?

[Leprekaun]

ummm, not sure if its just me... but the nicknames thread is wrong?!?

Shouldnt number come after team?

can delete this post after?

oh yes, anyone gonna be on the server this week?

Post updated :).

[bbman]

If it's not too late, my entry:

Name: Bernhard Bendl

Licence name: bbman

Screen name: bbman

Country: Austria

Team name: I am alone, however the name would be Flying Lizard motorsports

I have my own skin: yes

[Leprekaun]

Added. Will make your skin kit now.

[bbman]

Added. Will make your skin kit now.

Thanks. I'd be up to take someone still searching for a team at league start...

[AMB]

Hey Lep you made my skin yet? i don't mind what colours, but pink would be 'FUN' lol

[Leprekaun]

Heres your skin (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=57744&stc=1&d=1212503421) but would appreciate that in future, that you request for them here (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43809).

[Leprekaun]

Await for revised version of the skin.

[pearcy_2k7]

Do we have to have a certain skin that you have chose or anything we want? Do you want me to sign up and as soon as there is a place i will drive with messy? Also IMO the setups restrictions should be binned, or changed to suit a track based on one setup from setupgrid or something, can't help but feel the cars are going to be a dog to drive, and you have to idea what times you should be doing as we will be alot from the WR.

[AMB]

My fastest so far at blackwood was 1:10.1, can probably get into the 09s with further testing, car isn't so bad once you are usto it.

[Speedy Pro]

Just to clarify, in the setup restrictions thread tire pressures are now listed as adjustable. Does that mean there's no minimum pressure?

[spankmeyer]

Some thoughts:

The new 'easier' setup restrictions were slightly disappointing.

The gearing really sucks for Blackwood. Especially the last two corners are deal breakers for me so I switched from full H-gate & clutch pedal to flappy paddles with auto clutch. The results? Nearly a sec off from my PB on 2nd lap with racing fuel on board.

But then again maybe I just suck. :shrug:

[Speedy Pro]

Some thoughts:

The new 'easier' setup restrictions were slightly disappointing.

The gearing really sucks for Blackwood. Especially the last two corners are deal breakers for me so I switched from full H-gate & clutch pedal to flappy paddles with auto clutch. The results? Nearly a sec off from my PB on 2nd lap with racing fuel on board.

But then again maybe I just suck. :shrug:

Yeah, I think 3d gear is a bit too short for BL, but I do like the idea of a restricted setup. What's your PB so far?

[Kdovi]

Name: Jakub Šimek

Licence name: Kdovi

Screen name: [DR] Kdovi

Country: CZE

Team name: Dynamite Racing (wtf? :))

I have my own skin: Do I? :D

[bbman]

Cancel my participation... With that setup, this has nothing to do with Porsche GT3's anymore, it became just another FZR only-league... A shame, it started so well... :shrug:

[pearcy_2k7]

Why whats wrong with it?

[spankmeyer]

Why whats wrong with it?

Guess it pretty much drives exactly like an FZR? :shrug:

I kinda liked the somewhat unusual (and super bouncy) suspension we used in the beginning.

[pearcy_2k7]

Dunno mate haven't tried the setup yet, but i can see your point, if were going to use a setup like it is now, you might aswell just give everyone a good setup for each track.

[BenjiMC]

+1 here.

[Leprekaun]

Cancel my participation... With that setup, this has nothing to do with Porsche GT3's anymore, it became just another FZR only-league... A shame, it started so well... :shrug:

I'm sorry to see you leave but obviously, the choice is up to you. I still think it'll be a great league and has potential for some of the best racing in LFS.

[BenjiMC]

i think it's same old same old now that the hard spring setups have gone. Saying that your not gonna use the stiff springs because some people wont be able to handle it or it wont work so well on some tracks is besides the idea of the league. You might aswell allow the FXR for people that can't handle rear wheel drive.

[Leprekaun]

alright, I have a suggestion, I can make a poll for the setups to see which you guys prefer more, I think thats fair enough?

[pearcy_2k7]

TBH i don't really care, ill drive anything as long as its a level playing field then fair is fair. Although i agree, it does defeat the purpose, go back to hard springs then.

[[UKR] Race King]

I'm withdrawing from league because of some other stuff that i have planed sorry.

[LiMiTED]

i also want to cancel my participation!

After the test event, i think that the league is not that interesting as i hoped at the beginning.

Good luck with the league,

Bye

[pearcy_2k7]

race is tomorrow still no setup decision made and its very tight.

[banister]

mm, yeah. Maybe the event could be posponed till next week? This would allow for the final setup to be chosen, and people to get used to it :shrug:

[RiceBurner (GER)]

race is tomorrow still no setup decision made and its very tight.

have a look at this thread: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43603

That should be final setup restrictions

[pearcy_2k7]

But thats no use if he hasn't made his mind up if he wants hard or soft springs, i agree with banister, postpone till next week.

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Erm yeah, pearcy, judging by that thread I'd say it's the soft springs.
We was left in the dark slightley, but oh well.

I'm just letting you know Leprekaun that I might not be able to attend tomorrow night, as some things are likely to come up that I'll struggle to get out of. I'll try my best to make it but please excuse me if I'm not there.

[pearcy_2k7]

Thanks, would be nice to hear some confirmation from the man himself.

[Ihab Abbas]

Race or not to race..... Where is the setup and again pls what are the adjustable things in deferent colors for noob like me ?! :D
if any race today pls tell me cuz I have something to do and I prefer to race.

[Leprekaun]

The race is today as planned.

[Ihab Abbas]

The following could be Adjusted ??????

Camber

Caster

Toe In

Rear wing: (12 degrees max)

Ride height: (100mm max)

Anti Roll Bar

Steering lock

Parallel Steer

Tyre Pressures:

yes or no ??
still we will use the finalised setup here:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43603

[Leprekaun]

yes!

[pearcy_2k7]

Withdrawing from the series, if there is going to be a dick like you running it!

[G!NhO]

Withdrawing from the series, if there is going to be a dick like you running it!

too bad

[Kdovi]

Withdrawing from the series, if there is going to be a dick like you running it!

Why can't you say it normal way? After this message, I'm really happy that you decided to withdraw as I don't want to race against someone like you.
Have fun offending people.

[hardcoreobscure]

I see this has been postponed and there are three slots remaining...

I would like to enter:

Name: Jamie Atkinson

License name: hardcoreobscure

Screen name: Jamie

Country: England

Team name: N/A (see below)

I have my own skin: Sort of (see below)

I would like to join up with someone if possible, otherwise I would be a privateer. I can make skins and have a good 'possible' name / decals for the team. If anyone is interested let me know! :thumb:

[Ihab Abbas]

I see this has been postponed and there are three slots remaining...

I would like to enter:

Name: Jamie Atkinson

License name: hardcoreobscure

Screen name: Jamie

Country: England

Team name: N/A (see below)

I have my own skin: Sort of (see below)

I would like to join up with someone if possible, otherwise I would be a privateer. I can make skins and have a good 'possible' name / decals for the team. If anyone is interested let me know! :thumb:

ok mate if it cool 4 you , I hope to join me during this league, pls pm me if it is ok to join, so I can send you your PRT skin.

good luck :D

[AMB]

Pearcy that was harsh :(

But we did put a lot of effort into the series, Skins, practice, sets etc

but then again so did Lepinto organising, as far as sets go, i'd like lep or someone to make a set and everyone has to use it with no changes, wouldn't that be fair? but it's too late imo

[pearcy_2k7]

Don't think it was harsh really, should have used a "better" word than dick, but its done now. Can really blame me can you? Ive put effort into this thing after already competing in lots of leagues, ive had the skin made, etc. The someone swears at me for something he did that was wrong and i reacted, in the end i got banned from the server for questioning the admins decision as the admin said i couldn't race for using 1 swear word, to say i was annoyed at that point was an understatement and that was the first thing i posted after.

Im on the same boat as Messy, i received an apology from Lep and i give him one in response. But still not sure if this series is for me anyway.

[G!NhO]

but then again so did Lepinto organising, as far as sets go, i'd like lep or someone to make a set and everyone has to use it with no changes, wouldn't that be fair? but it's too late imo

+1

[Kristjan.J]

What if everyone should drive the same set, just can change the wheel pressure only? Just a thought... :shrug:

[AMB]

I said that ages ago, it won't happen I don't think.

[G!NhO]

all use same set, thats better

[BenjiMC]

theres these things, they call em live settings, so locking everything but the tyres=impossible to monitor.

[Leprekaun]

Well, it would be unfair on some drivers if they all used the exact same setup because it'll be fine for some and horrible for others and aside from that, in the real Supercup, drivers are allowed to tweak certain settings so want to keep it as real as possible ;). Devs really need to implement a setup restriction system though. I mean, can't they just do it like intake/weight restrictions but just send 132 Bytes extra?

[Kristjan.J]

But why don't just have the 10%intake restriction and the other if there was, and other things are changeable, it would be alot easier and not so much mess...:shrug:

[Speedy Pro]

cuz that wouldn't be realistic enough :)

btw, Lep, would you mind updating the race schedule. I'm not really sure if westhill is still before the summer break or its moved to fall part of the season.

[RiceBurner (GER)]

By the way, in rules is listed that only r3 tyre compund is allowed.
Is it possible to make sure that nobody changes on another tyre compund than r3 during qualifing session or race?

[AMB]

Well maybe reviewing the replays and stats would show if anyone has made changes, but i don't think it will be a problem.

[r4ptor]

My3id Gaming members wont be participating:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=812640#post812640
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=812682#post812682
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=813174#post813174
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=814027#post814027
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=814029#post814029

Sorry :shrug:

[Kristjan.J]

I have to withdraw from the league also, because of real-life things.

[Speedy Pro]

It appears that I won't be able to make the race tomorrow due to real-life things that I simply can't get out of. :(

[Dizzydarryn]

I hate to join the band wagon, but i have a work function on thursday evening that im MC'ing for. sorry guys... will still do remainder of the season tho

[Kdovi]

My3id Gaming members wont be participating

Could you please tell us some reason? (just wondering)

[Primoz]

I rtoo can't make it tonight since i'm going to church. Will this race be counted in the cup at all anyway since there's the mini and full season in the calendar.

[Leprekaun]

no, they will each be seperate championships. Look at this round as being a one-off event ;)

[scipy]

23:12… × @My3id|r4p slaps scipy around a bit with a dildo
23:13… @My3id|TimmY: DILDO!
23:13… +scipy: :D
23:13… +scipy: rofl
23:13… +scipy: timmy has like a highlight
23:13… +scipy: wheneva someone says dildo
23:13… +scipy: he's the first one on scene
23:13… @My3id|TimmY: :)
23:14… @My3id|r4p: lol
23:15… @My3id|r4p: saw GT3 race replay... was :X
23:15… @My3id|r4p: 8 drivers + T1 noobness
23:15… @My3id|r4p: glad we arent in it
23:15… +scipy: rofl
23:15… +scipy: i wanted to drive that GT3 cup
23:15… +scipy: until i saw their "rules"
23:15… +scipy: about a "setup"
23:16… +scipy: with 240 N/mm springs
23:16… +scipy: ktnxbye .
23:16… +scipy: idiots.
23:16… @My3id|r4p: :D
23:17… +scipy: they dont understand that in LFS
23:17… +scipy: what u set as a spring
23:17… +scipy: is a direct wheel rate
23:17… +scipy: cause it's simulated that way
23:17… +scipy: motion ratio is 1
23:17… @My3id|r4p: wheel rate?
23:17… +scipy: ehm.
23:17… +scipy: ****en zafa
23:17… +scipy: doesnt know anything
23:17… +scipy: ok
23:17… @My3id|r4p: :X
23:17… +scipy: if the spring is mounted directly above the wheel
23:17… +scipy: totally vertical
23:17… +scipy: above it's axis
23:18… +scipy: then spring rate is equal to wheel rate
23:18… +scipy: so when a wheel moves 1 inch
23:18… +scipy: spring moves 1 inch
23:18… +scipy: but
23:18… +scipy: if u ever looked under a wheel arch of a car
23:18… +scipy: coilover dampers with a spring
23:18… +scipy: are usually mounted
23:18… @My3id|r4p: :O
23:18… +scipy: a bit sideways
23:18… +scipy: like /
23:18… @My3id|r4p: yah
23:18… +scipy: if u look from front
23:18… +scipy: this means that
23:18… +scipy: as a wheel deflects 1 inch
23:18… +scipy: spring is gonna deflect more
23:18… +scipy: cause it has "leverage" over the wheel
23:19… @My3id|r4p: yah
23:19… +scipy: via the suspension arm etc
23:19… +scipy: so
23:19… +scipy: u acutally use harder springs
23:19… +scipy: or softer
23:19… +scipy: depending on the motion ratio
23:19… @My3id|r4p: i see
23:19… +scipy: how much wheel moves compared to how much spring moves
23:19… +scipy: divided by 2
23:19… +scipy: or sumtin
23:19… +scipy: SO
23:19… @My3id|r4p: but theres one thing i dunno understand
23:19… +scipy: IRL porsche
23:19… +scipy: will use a 240 N spring
23:19… @My3id|r4p: :O
23:19… +scipy: but the motion ratio
23:19… +scipy: will divide that
23:19… +scipy: by some value
23:20… +scipy: so u will get a "wheel rate"
23:20… +scipy: of 90 N/mm
23:20… +scipy: but in LFS we use 90 right away
23:20… +scipy: cause the spring is simulated as a vertical force thingy
23:20… @My3id|r4p: :O
23:20… +scipy: if u look at the F view
23:20… +scipy: u will notice it's just a huge verical bar.
23:20… +scipy: so motion ratio = 1
23:20… @My3id|r4p: :X
23:20… +scipy: so 240 N/mm spring in LFS = idiotic.
23:20… +scipy: so GT3 cup = idiotic
23:21… +scipy: and run by idiots.
23:21… @My3id|r4p: yaya.. is all good - but i dunno understand something
23:21… +scipy: :D
23:21… @My3id|Evolution: i like the conclusions
23:21… +scipy: :D:D
23:21… @My3id|r4p: what does this have to do with u and dildoes?
23:21… +scipy: i should start charning these convos
23:21… +scipy: u see
23:21… +scipy: a dildo has it's springrate
23:21… @My3id|Evolution: rofl
23:21… @My3id|r4p: true
23:21… +scipy: so depending on how the tip is tilted in regards to the base
23:21… @My3id|Banister: hahahaha
23:21… @My3id|r4p: u move 1 inch, doldo moves 2?
23:21… +scipy: this is important
23:21… +scipy: cause the motion ratio changes
23:21… +scipy: exactly!
23:22… @My3id|r4p: i gets it
23:22… +scipy: i think i've peaked the humor of that

that conversation might shed some light :x

[pearcy_2k7]

LoL! Start and the end was funny, nearly fell asleep in the middle though, we all know how much you know about dildo's so i doubt anyone will contest that. :razz:

[AMB]

scipy scipy scipy, just marry me, I want to learn your extensive knowledge of dildos lol

[Primoz]

Scipy i don't know about Porsches and stuff, but LMPs for example use something close to 1:1 ratio. As i said, dunno about road cars but i'd say it's colse to that too (not so in the double wishbone setup, is so in the MacPhearson strut and trailing arm, that one has a lower ratio since the spring is not mounted on the axle line). And yes, there is a slight angle but once you have angles of 70° (MacPhearson strut) and over, the differences are small. When the spring is at 64° and the force at 90° (or when they are 26° appart, you'll have 90 % of the wheel force acting on the spring (and the 10% acting in some other way, not doing any work on the spring). So it's not so huge. Again, don't know about double wishbone setups as i haven't really seen any up close and personal, but i do know something about leverages and stuff mainly from physics and the other part from mountain bikes (where anturally, the closer you get to 1:1, the nicer the bikes acts when riding over small bumps since the shock is more sensetive to small changes as it's got a long stroke and stuff, also the leverage is important since you get a progresive or regresive suspension. Generally linear or progresive is better since regresive will make it easy to obttom out, but there are other sweetspots and stuff - it really is a science).

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Damn this came around fast!

Team RacingX are withdrawing.

[BAMBO]

Name: Demetrius Adelin

Licence name: Bambo

Screen name: Bambo

Country: Romania

Team name: Teamless Driver

I have my own skin: no - any skin would do

[G!NhO]

i gotta withdraw too :(

[JO53PHS]

In that case, Team Top Gear (G!NhO and me) are withdrawing from the competition.

Sorry to cause any trouble :(

[MR_B]

Good luck tonight guys, hope it runs smoothly!

regards,

Kringle ;)

[Primoz]

I'm out too, sorry. Didn't touch LFS for the whole summer and i don't know how much time i'll have in the future.