Test Patch Y19 (and Y20) Replay Controls

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST


Hello Racers.

Here is a new compatible test patch Y19.


REPLAY CONTROLS :

Multiplayer replays now have the same interface as single player replays.
They loop and the Escape Menu is available while watching.
Also, replay controls have been added. A timeline is visible when you move the mouse.
You can click anywhere on the timeline and the replay will go back or forward to that point.

Some new keys have been added :

1) Single frame step : ',' or '.' (SHIFT + ',' or '.' = one second step)
2) SPACE to pause / unpause during a replay (same as P)
3) ESCAPE to break out of fast forwarding
4) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)


DEMO LICENSE SYSTEM :

User name and password are now required to go online in DEMO.
DEMO / S1 / S2 all appear in the same List of Hosts.

NOTE to DEMO users :

- You will need to set a GAME password at www.lfs.net to go online
- Log in and click on "account details" to set your GAME password
- You will not see older demo hosts (Y to Y16) in the list of hosts
- You will see new demo hosts and demo compatible S1 / S2 hosts

NOTE to S1 users :

- You will see all S1 and S1 compatible S2 hosts in the list of hosts

NOTE to HOSTS :

- Hosts in S2 mode - no difference, compatible, all S2 users can join
- Hosts in Demo or S1 mode - all S2 users (test patch or official)
and Demo / S1 test patch users will be able to see your host
- Official patch Demo and S1 users will not see your host


OTHER IMPORTANT CHANGES :

- Chinese, Japanese and Korean Translations
- All tracks now use JPG textures for adverts
- Various fixes including a South City hot lapping issue
- Full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are now supported


Changes in TEST PATCH Y19 :

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
Replay controls & timeline visible when mouse moves during replay
SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR

Interface :

Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours

Misc :

New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI not correctly limited when using the /ai command

Known issues :

Stray pixels at texture edges increased by AA / AF
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes in TEST PATCH Y18 :

Licensed demo racers system and unified List of Hosts
Demo / S1 racers can see all hosts with Demo / S1 content
Demo racers see automatically downloaded skins (but can't upload)
FIX : False message : Your skin was not found at www.lfsworld.net
FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim
FIX : Code page issues in meeting room text


Changes from Y to Y16 :

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Translations support :

Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
New Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Translatable lesson names - start text file with @Lesson Name
Tips section in training can have more lines if purpose is not full
FIX : Host welcome text was displayed in local code page (now Latin)
FIX : Overlapping text in F12 menu asymmetrical settings (in Polish)
FIX : Code page error on List of Hosts after changing language
FIX : Corrupted in-game text after changing language

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Various minor graphical improvements in the interface
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Sometimes incorrect message "Road tyres on rallycross track"

Graphics :

Reduced stray pixels at edges of textures
Antialiased virtual start lights and steering gauge
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instant
Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
JPG advert textures now used in all tracks (folder : data\pic)

Multiplayer :

New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Fixes :

FIX : Replay could open reversed configuration in DEMO
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands


DOWNLOAD :

PATCH Y19 (Version Y must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y_TO_Y19.exe (5 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y19.zip (1.5 MB)


AFTER INSTALLING Y19 please follow this link to Y20 :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=805292#post805292


Windows XP : East Asian Language Support / Font Installation

LFS does not support double byte characters with Windows 98 / ME. Windows XP and Vista should work well but you may need to install fonts.

If you have Windows XP and currently cannot see the East Asian translations, here's how to set up your computer so it works.
See the attachment - in Control Panel click on "Regional and Language Options" then under the "Languages" tab select "Install files for East Asian Languages".
Windows will probably ask you to get your XP CD and the fonts will be installed from it.

This is important even if you do not use Chinese, Japanese or Korean translations so you can see East Asian text and player names correctly when you are online.

[balee]

OMG! New menu looks amazing!!!
Tried out the replay controls, and... wow, long waited feature it was!

Many thanks Scawen!

I think the Live For Speed logo in main menu should be lowered a bit.

[Kid222]

Beautiful, excellent! New menu looks awesome, replay controls are working very well. That will ease movie makers life a lot. :)
Maybe you could add buttons for fast forward and slow-forward :) (0,5x, 1x, 2x, 4x...) There's enough space for them.
Nice surprise, thank you!

[AndroidXP]

Very nice!
Plus the new menu rocks :thumb:

[mcintyrej]

Your a god mate. I love the new menu system, its stunning. The replay controls are godsend too.

Progress guys! I see progress! :D:thumb:

[NotAnIllusion]

Woo \o/ Very nice stuff! I have comments, however :D

Replays :

Escape menu and options now available during a multiplayer replay
- Nice, consistency with SP menu makes me smile :)

Replay controls & timeline visible when mouse moves during replay
- Awesome! Knowing the limitations of the current replay system, fantastic work :) One thing I would say is that a timer would be nice, in order to see how long is left in the fast-forward, less time wasted just watching it do its magic.

SP and MP replays now loop unless started by /mpr or /spr commands
- Nice.

External replay starting now works from replay screen or in replay
- Nice.

FIX : Hang if escape menu was open at the end of a non-looping SPR
- Good.

Interface :

Interface improvements including updated entry screen and options
- The intro screen has a picture of an XFR which is a pure hard-track car. The image of it jumping as if it were a rally car is slightly misleading. Overall, the new intro and menu look fantastic!

Hotlapping in demo version - user name is now stored in the replay
FIX : Code page of text when adding a new music track in channels
FIX : Info button in List of Hosts showed laps instead of hours
- Nice.

Misc :

New option /lytdir allows dedicated hosts to specify layout folder
Improved cfg.txt Music Dir option (specifies folder for ogg files)
All paths (including reversed configs) now included (in SMX folder)
FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)
FIX : Removed continual memory allocations in car shadow processing
FIX : Number of AI not correctly limited when using the /ai command
-Nice

[AndroidXP]

One problem: it seems you cannot view the connection list in replay mode anymore. It sometimes flashes on for a random amount of time, but I can't seem to find a pattern to it. Looks like you can get it to display as long as you don't move the mouse while fooling around with Shift+F, though that doesn't exactly help ;)

[Tweaker]

New menu is cool, but why is there a picture of a DoN rallymobile? (eg Slicked car jumping in the dirt?)

New replay system is great and all but there is one problem. The mouse-activity to bring up the timeline is a bad thing for Shift+U mode when people make their own camera movements. If you want to move the mouse in that mode, the timeline pops up, which interferes with movie making.

Perhaps a button like a carrot symbol [^] to hide/show the menu would be effective, or if spacebar would bring it up (more intuitive). Either way, the timeline gets in the way when using Shift+U.

[Tweaker]

One problem: it seems you cannot view the connection list in replay mode anymore. It sometimes flashes on for a random amount of time, but I can't seem to find a pattern to it. Looks like you can get it to display as long as you don't move the mouse while fooling around with Shift+F, though that doesn't exactly help ;)
Also some of the pit huds act the same way.

[NotAnIllusion]

One problem: it seems you cannot view the connection list in replay mode anymore. It sometimes flashes on for a random amount of time, but I can't seem to find a pattern to it. Looks like you can get it to display as long as you don't move the mouse while fooling around with Shift+F, though that doesn't exactly help ;)

The connection list is hidden every time the mouse moves. Maybe move the list up enough for it to be on top of the replay controls box all the time, and visible as it was y19.

[Kegetys]

Replay controls are a nice addition, however I think some kind of keyframe system is needed, as currently it "scrolls" all the way from the beginning every time you click somewhere. Keyframes could be included in the replays, or generated when the replay is viewed and stored temporarily in memory to allow fast scrolling backwards.

I think the timeline controls should also work while it is "scrolling", so you could move the target marker around and put it on pause too if the scrolling seems to take a very long time so it will pause when it reaches the point.

[zockmachine]

great work Scawen :thumb: im really happy to see some progress :)

maybe one more feature you could add for the replay timeline: showing the lap you'll be on if you're scrolling to another position on the timeline :scratchch

[Mille Sabords]

Fantastic work on replays!
On my Swiss keyboard however the >< keys are not doing anything, rewind is ; and , for small and large increments, forward not found yet.

[xt]

great work.

few things i miss after testing:

- skip backwards skips through all replay. maybe possible to cache that or reverse simulate?
post #11 also about rewind from current position instead of beginning

- game exit now need to press ESC at very last screen instead of mouse click.


edit: i like that new G-meter :)

[NotAnIllusion]

Replay controls are a nice addition, however I think some kind of keyframe system is needed, Keyframes could be generated when the replay is viewed and stored
temporarily.
I like this idea.


I think the timeline controls should also work while it is "scrolling", so you could move the target marker around and put it on pause too if the scrolling seems to take a very long time so it will pause when it reaches the point.
Just in case anyone missed it (I'm sure you didn't), the scrolling can be stopped/paused at any time (and the replay pauses too) by pressing the escape key. I agree with the idea though.

[Nadeo4441]

what to say? awesome Scavier !

[AndroidXP]

Replay controls are a nice addition, however I think some kind of keyframe system is needed...
Yes, I agree. The current method is a great improvement over having no replay controls at all and certainly works in the typical public race, but a two-hour (or a 24h) replay might get painful to inspect for a specific lap or rewind. A keyframe stored each lap the leader passes the finish line would be excellent.

[R.Kolz]

"FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)"

I hope it will make the popular FXR a bit faster. 15 out of 22 racers race the FXR at the famous CD1 server right now - and they´d applaud you big times if you got this car within a reach of the other two GTR´s.

Sorry for being off-topic and you just ignore it. But I just hope you get my point here.

Honestly, I love your game and it´s good to see you always work on improvements.

[balee]

Intro end exit screens turned on. If I start the game and intro replay is playing, the replay controls are showing up for a second.

[AndroidXP]

"FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)"

I hope it will make the popular FXR a bit faster. 15 out of 22 racers race the FXR at the famous CD1 server right now - and they´d applaud you big times if you got this car within a reach of the other two GTR´s.
Sorry but how should this make the FXR faster? It's just a script update, nothing on the car has changed.

[SamH]

Absolutely awesome changes! I could cry!! Race and league admins everywhere are singing your name, Scawen. It's true, I can hear them!!

The mouse appearing during hide-all Shift+U is definitely going to be an issue for moviemakers.. there's no way now to hide the mouse any more.

While you're dealing with the mouse, would it be possible to also make it completely screen-independent, so that rotating the camera in shift+U mode is free, not halted by the edge of the screen? Or is that a feature request? :shy: ::runs::

[Ovidiu23]

Well, it's only the beginning so there are gonna be some improvements, we'll have to be happy with these updates, there are amazing. But that image with the XFR I think is a bit exaggerated.

[felplacerad]

Good stuff. This is why I love fridays (well ...).

However, the "return" button of the escape menu says "end race". Perhaps it should say "end replay"?

[Spangler_CZE]

Well,
I really like the replay improvement, but the "new" menu screen looks imho strange. It wouldnt be so bad if there wont be that black "border" up on the picture. Still like the old menu than this. Otherwise this game is going forward and forward and thats the point. Replay improvement is just THE right thing! Im looking forward for a next test patch, hope it will be out soon. :thumb:

Well done and thanks to devs!:thumbsup:


EDIT: I can really imagine picture which is on the official lfs.net page. Imho it will suits better. And second thing is that the XFR has slick on gravel :)

[R.Kolz]

Sorry but how should this make the FXR faster? It's just a script update, nothing on the car has changed.

I just wanted to place an approach. Took this opportunity and this was my best shot. :razz:

[romus74]

Excellent. Thanks a lot Scawen. :)

I tried it first with my work PC (XP, 3GB ram, E2180, 945G integrated graphics) which has worked ok with replays before. FPS was about 0.1.

But it works great with my gaming PC. Now watching 1H race replays is fun.

[aroX123]

Omg i love the F*XX*NG New menu!

[BBO@BSR]

Absolutely awesome changes! I could cry!! Race and league admins everywhere are singing your name, Scawen. It's true, I can hear them!!
I totally agree.

I love it :D

[Drift King CZ]

Great work Scawen! Now it's much easier to make some screens, record videos etc. It'll save much time... :thumb:

[Scawen]

One problem: it seems you cannot view the connection list in replay mode anymore. It sometimes flashes on for a random amount of time, but I can't seem to find a pattern to it. Looks like you can get it to display as long as you don't move the mouse while fooling around with Shift+F, though that doesn't exactly help ;)The pattern is : don't move the mouse for 2 seconds. Moving the mouse shows the timeline and removes the 2D HUD at the bottom of the screen.

New menu is cool, but why is there a picture of a DoN rallymobile? (eg Slicked car jumping in the dirt?)That screen shot was made in 2005. It just took me a while to get round to improving the menu. Anyway this is not expected to be the final menu image.

New replay system is great and all but there is one problem. The mouse-activity to bring up the timeline is a bad thing for Shift+U mode when people make their own camera movements. If you want to move the mouse in that mode, the timeline pops up, which interferes with movie making.That's why I've added the 3rd state to SHIFT+F, described in the first post. It's more convenient than before for movie making - the 3rd state removes all 2D display including all messages.

Replay controls are a nice addition, however I think some kind of keyframe system is needed, as currently it "scrolls" all the way from the beginning every time you click somewhere. Keyframes could be included in the replays, or generated when the replay is viewed and stored temporarily in memory to allow fast scrolling backwards.I know what you mean but it would be hard. Those key frames would be images of the entire LFS state - the multiplayer system, the race system, physics system. Like "game saves". It's something I'd like to do at some time because it would also enable single player replays to be trimmed. Well, it's not really hard but would take a few days that I don't really have at the moment. The structures that would need to be saved (e.g. a car) contain so many variables and I'd have to look at each one to see if it should go in a game save. LFS just hasn't been designed with this in mind up to now.

EDIT : Although, for MPRs an easier thing could in fact be done, than a perfect game state save suitable for an SPR, using something like an MPR header. In short I imagine that will be done at some point but not in Patch Z.

EDIT 2 : You have got me thinking... anyway, it's on my notes now but I don't know when it will be done as I do have quite a lot of urgent things to do.

I think the timeline controls should also work while it is "scrolling", so you could move the target marker around and put it on pause too if the scrolling seems to take a very long time so it will pause when it reaches the point.Press ESC at any time to stop the search in its current position.

"FIX : Updated car load scripts FXR.lfs and XRR.lfs (now sequential)"

I hope it will make the popular FXR a bit faster. 15 out of 22 racers race the FXR at the famous CD1 server right now - and they´d applaud you big times if you got this car within a reach of the other two GTR´s.It doesn't affect physics, it only affects people who edited certain script files.

Absolutely awesome changes! I could cry!! Race and league admins everywhere are singing your name, Scawen. It's true, I can hear them!!

The mouse appearing during hide-all Shift+U is definitely going to be an issue for moviemakers.. there's no way now to hide the mouse any more.Just press SHIFT+F to get to the third state.

[ZanZi]

Whee a great patch with some great additions and beautiful new menu:thumb:
I got a small problem with the new replay options tho. When running an mpr and when i want to view the name list and ( on the old version you are able to switch players by just clicking on the "W" or "M" or what ever it is to instantly change the car ) the problem now is that every time i try to click on the W the time line pop's in and makes it impossible.
Should we all forget about this way to switch between cars or it is a bug? I can work with the car changing with TAB and SHIFT + TAB but on a endurance races where u need to swap with your mate how are we going to adress the swap request? :S I hope You understand what i meant :tilt:

[Waffenaffe]

Wow!,The Menu looks very nice!

Thx for Patch,I didnt can wait for it xD

[Scawen]

Whee a great patch with some great additions and beautiful new menu:thumb:
I got a small problem with the new replay options tho. When running an mpr and when i want to view the name list and ( on the old version you are able to switch players by just clicking on the "W" or "M" or what ever it is to instantly change the car ) the problem now is that every time i try to click on the W the time line pop's in and makes it impossible.OK, thanks for explaining why the connections list needs to be visible during a replay while the mouse is moving. I'll have a look at that.

Should we all forget about this way to switch between cars or it is a bug? I can work with the car changing with TAB and SHIFT + TAB but on a endurance races where u need to swap with your mate how are we going to adress the swap request? :S I hope You understand what i meant :tilt:Well the timeline is only visible during a replay, not when you are racing. :scratchch

[ZanZi]

LOL sorry for that... ignore me xD :shy:

[BBO@BSR]

Should we all forget about this way to switch between cars or it is a bug? I can work with the car changing with TAB and SHIFT + TAB but on a endurance races where u need to swap with your mate how are we going to adress the swap request? :S I hope You understand what i meant :tilt:

Well in a race you would usually have no replay controls :D

Edit: to slow

[danowat]

Nice, although it would be nice to have a way of "marking" the timeline, so it would make it easier to jump to certain places we can highlight during in a replay.

[blackbird04217]

Very nice I can't wait to get home to try this out!! Scawen, do you think there is any chance that we could retrieve .RAF files from multiplayer replays for the username that is the same as the account? (Or if there are no security issues then the viewed car?)

[nesrulz]

OMG! :eye-poppi

Replay options! :eek:
:headbang:

EDIT: new menu is nice. :thumb:

Thx for Y19!

[Luke.S]

it's brill. keep the new buttons all the way through to the s3 final they look brilliant and i like the new background. The replay features are brill finally it is possible to rewind thx scawen.

[PioneerLv]

It's sooo nice. Menu looks sweet. And replay control, that what we missed all that time.
I don't know why, but FXO feels like a rocket, like an LX car. :lovies3d:

Thank you Scawen for these great improvements!

[Soeren Scharf]

3) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)ok, but how do I check the SHIFT-F state via insim now? There is only one bit ISS_SHOW_2D available to report the SHIFT-F state.
And how do I change the SHIFT-F state with insim now? In the IS_SFP state flags packet there is only 0 = off and 1 = on defined.

regards
Soeren

[JO53PHS]

Can some very nice person please post a screenie of this amazing new menu? I don't want to download the test patch for the moment :shy:

[PioneerLv]

http://img.lejup.lv/thumbs/1210972040.png (http://img.lejup.lv/viewer.php?id=1210972040.png)

[okijuhans]

Yes, Nice patch. Already using.

[Flame CZE]

Awesome. I like this new menu and its better to have smaller font there in game menus. Its more professional :D The replay control is good, thats what i wanted :thumb:

[AndroidXP]

Are the G-forces in F9 view showing in a LED like font something new? I never noticed those before.

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

Are the G-forces in F9 view showing in a LED like font something new? I never noticed those before.

That's new in Y19.

To Scawen: No problems here so far, thanks for the patch.

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Another lovely update...thanks.

The SPR replay takes much longer to get to a position then an MPR. Is it really just simulating all at high speed and AI takes that much more power?

[Sir moi 407]

I just want to thank you scawen for that work the new menu just rocks :smileypul
The replay is really better now when you want to see something that happen in the 5th hour in a 6hour race :tilt:

[510N3D]

well, im speachless. After all those years finally a proper replay mode. Can only guess it was a poop load of work tho. The menu is absolutely gorgeous! No problems after the usual few clicks and testing so far. :thumb:

[Ramses]

For some reason I lost my sky. On all tracks the sky is black. I'm doing some testing now to see if I can correct it myself.

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Its dynamc weather...thunderstorm coming :D

[MaKaKaZo]

OK, thanks for explaining why the connections list needs to be visible during a replay while the mouse is moving. I'll have a look at that.
In addition to the connections list, some of us like to change players using TAB and SHIFT+TAB looking at the race positions shown when the connetions list is off. When the time bar is on you can't see
the positions so although you can change using TAB you don't know who you are focusing as you can't see the name with the little arrow pointing to it.

Actually I don't find it very useful either to hide the F9-F12 graphs when the time bar pops in. Maybe it's just a thing of both things sharing the same location on the screen.

This new patch is great. It's not totally awesome yet as it has to "reload" from the beginning when you want to rewind, but it's very useful indeed :thumb:

[baSh0r]

Started LFS and thought like... AWESOME

[yaper]

For some reason I lost my sky. On all tracks the sky is black. I'm doing some testing now to see if I can correct it myself.

I lost it too. :( Interesting thing is that in mirrors the sky is present.

I'm downloading fresh Y version, to check whether any mods caused that.

WinXP, Mobility Radeon 9000 - driver ver: 6.14.10.6525

[Flame CZE]

I lost it too. :( Interesting thing is that in mirrors the sky is present.

I'm downloading fresh Y version, to check whether any mods caused that.

WinXP, Mobility Radeon 9000 - driver ver: 6.14.10.6525
Really? Do you mean sky or only a solid color? If its a sky, its very strange...:scratchch

[Scawen]

ok, but how do I check the SHIFT-F state via insim now? There is only one bit ISS_SHOW_2D available to report the SHIFT-F state.
And how do I change the SHIFT-F state with insim now? In the IS_SFP state flags packet there is only 0 = off and 1 = on defined.

regards
SoerenYou can only detect the old two modes. I did consider InSim and I thought, well, it's just the same as before, no change so no problem.

The 3rd state I consider to be just something extra, intended for making movies (for example so you can move the mouse to manually control a camera in SHIFT+U mode). I guess that if you use an external program to control the camera when making a movie, then you don't need to move the mouse over the LFS screen? And for a TV director system I guess there is no need to disable the appearance of the replay controls?

If there is a need to have this reported to and set by InSim then please explain the situation (or any other issues created by the user's ability to go back and forward).

Another lovely update...thanks.

The SPR replay takes much longer to get to a position then an MPR. Is it really just simulating all at high speed and AI takes that much more power?There is no AI in a SPR, only the starting point and then all driver inputs are stored. So an SPR must run through full physics to get to any point.

In the case on an MPR, it only needs to run in physics for the last second or so, because an MPR works (like multiplayer) by continual position updates. MPR fast forwarding is faster because it's just skipping through the packets and positioning the cars, not running physics.

Actually I don't find it very useful either to hide the F9-F12 graphs when the time bar pops in. Maybe it's just a thing of both things sharing the same location on the screen.Yes, it looks awful when 2D elements overlap and that's why those things vanish when the timeline appears. I haven't looked into it yet but I guess the connections list and the positions list could just be moved up when the replay controller appears. It's not nice having things jumping up and down though and can get complicated to keep things in control as there are so many 2D elements that can appear, so I don't suppose I'll be changing anything for the F9 to F12 menus / virtual speedo etc.

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

After a little more testing I found one problem.

Start a replay(I tried it with various Y18 MPR files).
Press Shift-U, set follow car to yes.
Press Space to hide the Shift-U controls.
Click on the timeline to fast forward to a place which isn't visible from the start.

The result is (at least here) that LFS doesn't display all textures in time or at all.

[Byku]

Beautiful update :D.

[Flame CZE]

;800156']After a little more testing I found one problem.

Start a replay(I tried it with various Y18 MPR files).
Press Shift-U, set follow car to yes.
Press Space to hide the Shift-U controls.
Click on the timeline to fast forward to a place which isn't visible from the start.

The result is (at least here) that LFS doesn't display all textures in time or at all.

It happends to me too. But then if you change view, it's OK.

[Scawen]

For some reason I lost my sky. On all tracks the sky is black. I'm doing some testing now to see if I can correct it myself.

I lost it too. :( Interesting thing is that in mirrors the sky is present.

I'm downloading fresh Y version, to check whether any mods caused that.

WinXP, Mobility Radeon 9000 - driver ver: 6.14.10.6525I assume you can see the sky in the mirrors because it is just a plain colour.

Does this happen every time you run LFS? Any way to reproduce or not reproduce it?

Single player / multiplayer / any unusual menu sequence you used to get into the game?

[Furiously-Fast]

Sweet update. I have a feeling that the cars do seem a little lighter, or maybe its just running smoother...

and BTW, what is the XFR doing on dirt?:really:

[Dru]

great job - will make movie making so much quicker :D

[Byku]

;800156']After a little more testing I found one problem.

Start a replay(I tried it with various Y18 MPR files).
Press Shift-U, set follow car to yes.
Press Space to hide the Shift-U controls.
Click on the timeline to fast forward to a place which isn't visible from the start.

The result is (at least here) that LFS doesn't display all textures in time or at all.

It happens to me too ;).

[hotmail]

;800156']After a little more testing I found one problem.

Start a replay(I tried it with various Y18 MPR files).
Press Shift-U, set follow car to yes.
Press Space to hide the Shift-U controls.
Click on the timeline to fast forward to a place which isn't visible from the start.

The result is (at least here) that LFS doesn't display all textures in time or at all.

yeah i have the same think ,

but when i use view from above(in shift u mode) i dont have it !:scratchch

[Ramses]

I assume you can see the sky in the mirrors because it is just a plain colour.

Does this happen every time you run LFS? Any way to reproduce or not reproduce it?

Single player / multiplayer / any unusual menu sequence you used to get into the game?

Someone I was online with had the same problem but after reconnecting with the server it was ok again. But for me nothing would accomplish that. I took the install from another computer and replaced all data exept the texture dirs and replay dirs and patched that. Now everything is fine.

EDIT: The guy I was talking about did not have the same problems as me!

[yaper]

I assume you can see the sky in the mirrors because it is just a plain colour.

Does this happen every time you run LFS? Any way to reproduce or not reproduce it?


I installed fresh Y and patched it to Y19.
During the intro it is black, but after going single player it is OK.

[Scawen]

;800156']After a little more testing I found one problem.

Start a replay(I tried it with various Y18 MPR files).
Press Shift-U, set follow car to yes.
Press Space to hide the Shift-U controls.
Click on the timeline to fast forward to a place which isn't visible from the start.

The result is (at least here) that LFS doesn't display all textures in time or at all.I understand the bug and it is noted (along with the other reported bugs).

[Scawen]

I installed fresh Y and patched it to Y19.
During the intro it is black, but after going single player it is OK.OK, I reproduced it by making LFS run an intro replay. We'll see if investigating this helps me to understand how it the sky could go black at other times.

[Octane]

I just noticed 2 things while trying the new patch :

the first thing i did when i started LFS Y19 was of course watching a replay (because of the new replay controls :)), so when i wanted to watch a MPR, LFS wants to connect to the internet to check and load skins and because it was the first start of a new patch the "window while connecting" option in multiplayer-menu was still set to "yes", so LFS switched to windowed mode even when loading the MPR, after finishing loading LFS switched back to fullscreen, i don´t know if it its a bug or a feature, but it was the first time i noticed it.


the other thing is, LFS crashes for me (exits to desktop) everytime i do this :

- go to multiplayer-menu from main-menu
- display list of hosts, wait for the list to finish loading
- don´t enter any host and click "back" button to go back to multiplayer-menu
- press "back" again in this menu
--> LFS crashes, but ONLY if i watched a MPR or SPR before these actions, if i go to the multiplayer-menu directly, everthing is fine
EDIT: LFS just crashed for me without watching a replay first...

[chanoman315]

Didnt find any problem, just the background of the Menu, a little how i say it, pixelated, it's that okay?

[Scawen]

--> LFS crashes, but ONLY if i watched a MPR or SPR before these actions, if i go to the multiplayer-menu directly, everthing is fine
EDIT: LFS just crashed for me without watching a replay first...
I could not reproduce that. Does windows report a crash address?

[BBO@BSR]

the other thing is, LFS crashes for me (exits to desktop) everytime i do this :

- go to multiplayer-menu from main-menu
- display list of hosts, wait for the list to finish loading
- don´t enter any host and click "back" button to go back to multiplayer-menu
- press "back" again in this menu
--> LFS crashes, but ONLY if i watched a MPR or SPR before these actions, if i go to the multiplayer-menu directly, everthing is fine
EDIT: LFS just crashed for me without watching a replay first...

I had (I think) the almost exact same reproducable problem ("back" button etc. like you described it) some patches ago. After a complete fresh install it was gone and never happend again.

Found it: It was with X35 see the crash address thread:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=635241#post635241

[Octane]

I could not reproduce that. Does windows report a crash address?

sorry, no crash-adress, but i have visual-studio installed, so it starts as a debugger (but i don´t have any clue about debuggers and any information i can get from it). At first i thought it had soemthing to do with loading a replay first, but it crashed for me without loading a replay before too (As you can see in my edit). It seems to be important that you don´t enter any host, because it never crashed after entering a host and going back to main-menu after that. It never crashed when LFS has loaded the hostlist from cache, but it did crash after refreshing the host list and then exiting to main-menu.


Update: I found something in the Visual Studio Debugger :

its in german, so my rough translation :
unhandled exception at 0x7c809813 in LFS.exe: 0xC0000005:
access violation while writing at position 0x03796460.

[BullHorn]

Can I play on official Y servers if I install the beta patch or once it's installed, I can only play with other beta testers?

[SamH]

Can I play on official Y servers if I install the beta patch or once it's installed, I can only play with other beta testers?
You will be able to play on all Y servers up to and including the latest test patch servers :)

[hadesko]

once of best patches i've seen:D
just excelent,nice for movie makers..
i don't have any problem with this patch,all workz nice..
so thanks!

[aoun]

Awesome stuff Scawen! First time i think ive posted in a test thread, im not a bug checker, so im pretty useless to you, but just a thanks from me :).

[FOX 1977]

;800156']After a little more testing I found one problem.

Start a replay(I tried it with various Y18 MPR files).
Press Shift-U, set follow car to yes.
Press Space to hide the Shift-U controls.
Click on the timeline to fast forward to a place which isn't visible from the start.

The result is (at least here) that LFS doesn't display all textures in time or at all.

Yes i have that too, and another thing with this bug... if you click the replay foward a few times to try to "refresh" the textures( because sometimes it works) , it automatically exits from follow car "yes" mode to "no" mode.
Another thing that i've noticed is that when im using custom view, sometimes the rotation view option doesn't work. The botton works fine, it just don't rotate at all. I resolved this by restarting lfs, but then i've restarted it a few times, and i got the same bug at least two more times., and the solution was always the same.

But i must say... overall this is great work from the lfs dev's.
Really good improvements, that would save alot of hours for moviemakers like myself and race marshalls/admins.
Thank you! :thumb:

P.s. - ( This Sim is giving me such happyness that makes me think in just one word....ILFSYING! :D (joke)

[Shotglass]

the replay update is amazing and a huge improvement for mprs already even without keyframes

its also rather interesting to see how quickly lfs crunches physics without graphical overhead... time to go multithreaded i reckon :p

[Ramses]

The black sky problem only occurs in widescreen mode. That is in my case on a normal 17" screen with black bands at the top and bottom.

EDIT: verified with other users online and they have the same problem.

[shashdev]

Yes, it does look amazing! The replay system is great! I even got to race an S2 racer on an S2 server (it has demo requirements) right now (lost by only 2 seconds)!

But I have one question. Since patch Y18, we have been able to use the skins online, right? (I have not tried online yet) But on LFSWorld, we still are not allowed put our skins there. Will we demo racers be able to do that now that we are allowed to use the low-res skins? Also, are the skins just for single player, or can they go online?

Thanks for the answers!

[legoflamb]

amazing, with all the new stuff, the update flow feels like it was at the beginning of last year or some time around then when all those updates were coming out.

[mc906]

i have to say this is the best patch so far

[BullHorn]

Is it just me or there isn't any smoke when locking the wheels or sliding?

[word.]

Very nice patch. Love the new replay controls.

However, I do find it annoying that you have keep mouse still in order to see the F9-F12 display. Maybe it would be possible to move those up so they don't overlap with the replay controls?

[scania]

OT: where can I find this skin?:shrug:

[DeadWolfBones]

However, I do find it annoying that you have keep mouse still in order to see the F9-F12 display. Maybe it would be possible to move those up so they don't overlap with the replay controls?

Or make it so that the mouse has to move into that area to bring up the replay controls. :shrug:

[eblise]

amazing！！thanks for your job in replay, i am very glad :)

[Shotglass]

But I have one question. Since patch Y18, we have been able to use the skins online, right? (I have not tried online yet) But on LFSWorld, we still are not allowed put our skins there. Will we demo racers be able to do that now that we are allowed to use the low-res skins? Also, are the skins just for single player, or can they go online?
Demo racers see automatically downloaded skins (but can't upload)
.

[PioneerLv]

Is it possible to load an X version replays? I tryed, but it gives me an error '' Obsolete Replay''.

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Not an X in Y even. The physics update remember. Has nothing to do with the testpatch.

[MaKaKaZo]

About F9-F12 controls disappearing:
Or make it so that the mouse has to move into that area (the timeline) to bring up the replay controls. :shrug:

That sounds good to me. +1

[Scawen]

The black sky problem only occurs in widescreen mode. That is in my case on a normal 17" screen with black bands at the top and bottom.

EDIT: verified with other users online and they have the same problem.OK - is this the full explanation?

Anyone who saw a black sky - were you using the "Wide screen effect" option?

That explains why it happened in the intro...

But I have one question. Since patch Y18, we have been able to use the skins online, right? (I have not tried online yet) But on LFSWorld, we still are not allowed put our skins there. Will we demo racers be able to do that now that we are allowed to use the low-res skins? Also, are the skins just for single player, or can they go online?No, you can't upload. This is just so that people who are trying out LFS can see other people's skins wheen they go online.

The demo is to show what LFS can do, so when you go online and see skins, it looks nice and you want to go to www.lfsshop.net and get a license. :)

[yaper]

I can fully confirm that.
Switching widescreen mode on/off, makes the sky to turn black/textured.

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

Not really a bug report, but how can I watch the intro in the current version? :) I overlooked something I'm sure but I really can't find a way to watch it.

[Scawen]

;800467']Not really a bug report, but how can I watch the intro in the current version? :) I overlooked something I'm sure but I really can't find a way to watch it.I'm not really sure if there is an easy way...

I locked my LFS back to demo, set the option "Load track when starting", loaded Blackwood, selected a FBM and save a small replay.

I guess not all those things had to be done but in the order I did it, all had to be done before I finally saw an intro.

[Scawen]

A small poll about the replay controls / HUD interference avoidance system.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43136

[detail]

Scawen, jfyi, right-justified lists are hard to read.

[xaotik]

Mapping the view movement to Mouse XY is erratic when in replays. The replay controls get focus and view movement is chopped, when the mouse control returns the view will snap based on the new mouse coordinates.

[dev]

I can fully confirm that.
Switching widescreen mode on/off, makes the sky to turn black/textured.
Same with me...

[Scawen]

Scawen, jfyi, right-justified lists are hard to read.Hi, just looked at the main menu in Russian and I found the license button looks a bit strange with the two colons.

[mkinnov8]

Or make it so that the mouse has to move into that area to bring up the replay controls. :shrug:

+1

And while in that area, is it possible to allow the positions list to still be displayed when viewing tyre temp screen? (F9)

Sorry if its already been covered. Fantastic Test patch again :)

[detail]

Hi, just looked at the main menu in Russian and I found the license button looks a bit strange with the two colons.
Fixed that, thanks!

[Flame CZE]

Mapping the view movement to Mouse XY is erratic when in replays. The replay controls get focus and view movement is chopped, when the mouse control returns the view will snap based on the new mouse coordinates.
just read

3) SHIFT + F now has 3 states if you are in a replay (the 3rd state hides everything including all messages and replay controls)

[PaulH]

I don't know if this was server specific (usually theres a button) and no one on the server LTC is using Y19 apparently. Also excuse me if my technical mumbo jumbo is incorrect.
On joining the server it displays a InSim? welcome message, with rules etc and normally (pre Y19) a button to click OK which then removes the message.
I joined and found that, 1 there was no button displayed, and 2 I had no mouse cursor while the message is displayed. Clicking ESC to bring up the menu (it gave me mouse back) I could click Join and join fine but the message would remain on the screen with no way to remove it.

I need someone to confirm/help because I don't know what I'm talking about.

I tried rejoining the LTC server a few times but it doesn't display the welcome message anymore...

* I'm finding it hard to find a server which displays a message on load - CLC has one but I have mouse and can click the button (im sure CTRA had one but it doesn't show a message so can't test :))*

*I'm thinking someone is toying with me, but that could just be my paranoia*

[Hyperactive]

Request: would it be possible to implement some of the functions of the mpredit (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34419) app into the replay controls? Mainly the feature of cutting a piece of the replay into new shorter replay would be really nice.

Nice update :)

[Flame CZE]

I have one bug. During a replay of training lesson, the buttons are overlayed with the replay control panel...

I dont know how to "repair it" but for example when the replay controls were displayed, the Back, Next Lesson and Try Again buttons would disappear.

[Fox 2]

Scawen, is replay rewind speed constant? From few tests on different PC configs, seems like it's about 100x. Problem with that is, fast processors can do more (30-40% CPU load while rewinding). Is it possible for user to be able to change this speed?

P.S. thanks for the patch, awesome work :)

[Flotch]

:thumbsup: :thumb:
(...nothing to add)

[Danas]

I dont think you can drive rally with slick's on.(main screen) :D

[Töki (HUN)]

Thanks for it! The menu is awesome, the replay option is fantastic! :thumb:

[Flotch]

I dont think you can drive rally with slick's on.(main screen) :D
this is a secret code to tell us that a rally (or rally-x) pack is coming soon, but :shhh:

[aroX123]

this is a secret code to tell us that a rally (or rally-x) pack is coming soon, but :shhh:
serius? XD

[aroX123]

What track is the picture on scawen? BL?

[aroX123]

And i found a bug on training, i have F5 as /ai, so i hit F5 while training race thing, and i can put ai, but max people on there is 12 i think

[wien]

Is it possible for user to be able to change this speed?Fast forwarding a replay runs as fast as possible on one of your processor's cores. LFS isn't able to take advantage of multiple cores (yet?), so that's why you'll see less than 100% CPU load on multi-core processors.

[Mille Sabords]

And i found a bug on training, i have F5 as /ai, so i hit F5 while training race thing, and i can put ai, but max people on there is 12 i think
True, you can add AI on every lesson and it even crashes the game from time to time - LFS also removes extra AIs from the replays. Maybe remove this possibility?
But what is the point of adding AIs to training lessons :shrug:?

[Hyperactive]

Request: buttons for adjusting replay speed (0.5x, 0.25x, 0.125x and 2x, 4x etc.). Just the normal << and >> buttons will do.

[aroX123]

?
But what is the point of adding AIs to training lessons :shrug:?
No point, just a bug.

[The Stig PL]

i've been waiting for this feature :) thank you. works great

[dan12s]

i need help and very quick
i go to go on lfs and it says cant load font please help me i got an event in an hour and half

[Widdowmaker]

You can re-intall in 10 minutes..... :thumb:

Move your setup ands skins accross in another 10 minutes - 1hr 10 mins to spare...

:thumb:

[dan12s]

ok will do that
thanks for the quick post :)

[ZanZi]

Request: buttons for adjusting replay speed (0.5x, 0.25x, 0.125x and 2x, 4x etc.). Just the normal << and >> buttons will do.
atleast to me F2 and F3 work better than great :shrug:

[sharkboots]

I've got the black sky in widescreen too. Would it help to mention that I was already seeing some other less noticeable areas (eg. the water at Fern Bay) going black in widescreen before this patch?

[pauliaK]

Yay, what great new features! :thumbsup:

By the way, it's the first time I'm trying a test patch :), just couldn't wait for these new features any much longer :tilt:

[510N3D]

I know what you mean but it would be hard. Those key frames would be images of the entire LFS state - the multiplayer system, the race system, physics system. Like "game saves". It's something I'd like to do at some time because it would also enable single player replays to be trimmed. Well, it's not really hard but would take a few days that I don't really have at the moment. The structures that would need to be saved (e.g. a car) contain so many variables and I'd have to look at each one to see if it should go in a game save. LFS just hasn't been designed with this in mind up to now.

EDIT : Although, for MPRs an easier thing could in fact be done, than a perfect game state save suitable for an SPR, using something like an MPR header. In short I imagine that will be done at some point but not in Patch Z.

EDIT 2 : You have got me thinking... anyway, it's on my notes now but I don't know when it will be done as I do have quite a lot of urgent things to do.

Today i went to CLC to get a rather longer replay to mainly check the performance and stuff and i have noticed one thing: When watching shorter replays the yellow bar that indicates the position of where the game is supposed to FF is working as it should be. You click somewhere and it jumps to that exact point. But when i tried the about three hours long replay the yellow bar always just went to the end (or close to it) of the timeline and the FF speed was very slow. It wouldn't stop until i press esc. Dont know if you're already aware of this issue but i just wanted to mention it, just in case.

Regarding the performance, is there any update to be expected or is this related to the content from the quote above?

Stupid me i deleted to replay again but i guess in case for a reproducing it wouldn't be a problem to get a replay with a simular length soon.

[Kancel]

another great feature!

and I love the new menu screen

[dougie-lampkin]

Loverly work Mr. Roberts :thumb: Great to be able to rewind replays to watch at different angles. <3

[Venus]

Can you please fix the FOX back to what it used to be in X. Patch Y took the life out of it. Presumably to use to be the base of the FMB build. Now you've got the FBM, there's no reason to put the excitement back into the fox. It feels dead now. To prove that, you only have to compare driving it in patch Y, then drive it in patch x. They are radically different. Then it might start getting used again like it used to be. No one runs fox servers anymore, especially on aston club, which in redline racing 2 was always full.

[Gil07]

Heh, when I saw you had posted I knew you'd be moaning about the FOX :D

My teammates seem to still enjoy it, I don't see why you can't...

[scipy]

Didn't know if I should post this here, but it's a problem in Y19 too so.. I'm gonna bring it up here. During a race, if you pull up the F12 menu and request some setup changes (like more negative camber in the pitstop - because you might have 1 of the suspension arms damaged and the middle layer of the tire is heating up the most) - as soon as you stop it fixes all the damage (even though the damage repair is set to NO!). Please fix this as BF1 races are almost impossible with losses of up to 20 seconds on fixing damage (and damage is picked up even on the straights, and obviously on realistic curbs).

So, if the damage repair is set to NO and we request some setup changes like pressure or camber, even wings - make it not fix everything and then do the setup adjustments. Please.

[Scawen]

I don't know if this was server specific (usually theres a button) and no one on the server LTC is using Y19 apparently. Also excuse me if my technical mumbo jumbo is incorrect.
On joining the server it displays a InSim? welcome message, with rules etc and normally (pre Y19) a button to click OK which then removes the message.
I joined and found that, 1 there was no button displayed, and 2 I had no mouse cursor while the message is displayed. Clicking ESC to bring up the menu (it gave me mouse back) I could click Join and join fine but the message would remain on the screen with no way to remove it.

I need someone to confirm/help because I don't know what I'm talking about.

I tried rejoining the LTC server a few times but it doesn't display the welcome message anymore...

* I'm finding it hard to find a server which displays a message on load - CLC has one but I have mouse and can click the button (im sure CTRA had one but it doesn't show a message so can't test :))*

*I'm thinking someone is toying with me, but that could just be my paranoia*Has anyone else experienced problems with host InSim buttons? I watched someone joining a CTRA host and saw some buttons that seemed to work ok. In theory nothing has changed unless it's a replay. Maybe the mouse pointer can appear when moved and disappear when it doesn't move though...? I don't know if that affects anything (it should not).

Request: buttons for adjusting replay speed (0.5x, 0.25x, 0.125x and 2x, 4x etc.). Just the normal << and >> buttons will do.Just in case anyone doesn't know, F2 and F3 do slow down and speed up time (you don't need to press SHIFT).

Today i went to CLC to get a rather longer replay to mainly check the performance and stuff and i have noticed one thing: When watching shorter replays the yellow bar that indicates the position of where the game is supposed to FF is working as it should be. You click somewhere and it jumps to that exact point. But when i tried the about three hours long replay the yellow bar always just went to the end (or close to it) of the timeline and the FF speed was very slow. It wouldn't stop until i press esc. Dont know if you're already aware of this issue but i just wanted to mention it, just in case.

Regarding the performance, is there any update to be expected or is this related to the content from the quote above?

Stupid me i deleted to replay again but i guess in case for a reproducing it wouldn't be a problem to get a replay with a simular length soon.If you (or anyone) could post a long replay that shows this bug, that would be helpful. If I can reproduce this in my debug version then it sounds like something that would be easy to fix.

Didn't know if I should post this here, but it's a problem in Y19 too so.. I'm gonna bring it up here. During a race, if you pull up the F12 menu and request some setup changes (like more negative camber in the pitstop - because you might have 1 of the suspension arms damaged and the middle layer of the tire is heating up the most) - as soon as you stop it fixes all the damage (even though the damage repair is set to NO!). Please fix this as BF1 races are almost impossible with losses of up to 20 seconds on fixing damage (and damage is picked up even on the straights, and obviously on realistic curbs).

So, if the damage repair is set to NO and we request some setup changes like pressure or camber, even wings - make it not fix everything and then do the setup adjustments. Please.I understand the issue but it's not an easy enough change to be done for Patch Z. Apart from the reported bugs, I have some other urgent and important things to be done and tested before Z.

The way the cars set themselves up in LFS at the moment, relies on the car being in perfect condition. This is not logical in a real world sense but it's a limitation of the way it's programmed at the moment. I do expect that can be fixed in the future. I would expect that to be done around the time when wings could break off instead of bending, and lose aero, etc... general damage system improvements.

[scipy]

k, patience then. tnx for the speedy reply.

[PioneerLv]

Strange.
Is it there something changed with graphics in Y19? Looks like Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering didn't works properly. AA enabled on X6, AF enabled on X16, but i see no effect in texture smoothing.

I don't think that it is a just strange feeling, but it is a bug.

[Franke]

BUG or anoying little thing!!!

Results after a race, can we PLEASE have the laps down the same weather its 1 or more laps that someone finished behind?

As it is now, IF someone finishes 1 lap behind they are registered as -1 lap, but if someone finishes 2 or more laps behind it is listed as +2 laps or +3 laps...

Can this please be changed to EITHER - laps OR + laps

The menus look just yummi, and for the multiplayer replay thingy, COOL, but have to say FINALLY :)...

Regards
Franke... Click

[Astro [ BJRL ]]

Strange.
Is it there something changed with graphics in Y19? Looks like Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering didn't works properly. AA enabled on X6, AF enabled on X16, but i see no effect in texture smoothing.

I don't think that it is a just strange feeling, but it is a bug.

I didn't tamber with any settings, and the 'strangeness' I experienced was like the asphalt seemed alive-ish, like filled with bugs ( ants, not software bug ) - like millions crawling. Anyway to get rid of that ?
:schwitz:

[dan12s]

this little thing turned into a major problem for me lol

[510N3D]

If you (or anyone) could post a long replay that shows this bug, that would be helpful. If I can reproduce this in my debug version then it sounds like something that would be easy to fix.

ok i just checked an one hour long replay and it worked as it should. Guess im going to have another cruise session later on or tomorrow and see if its reproducible.

[DeadWolfBones]

ok i just checked an one hour long replay and it worked as it should. Guess im going to have another cruise session later on or tomorrow and see if its reproducible.

I'll take a look at the 4hr replay from the last IGTC race. Just a sec...

[PioneerLv]

;801040']I didn't tamber with any settings, and the 'strangeness' I experienced was like the asphalt seemed alive-ish, like filled with bugs ( ants, not software bug ) - like millions crawling. Anyway to get rid of that ?
:schwitz:

I remember it correctly. In patch Y18 it was ok.

[DeadWolfBones]

I'll take a look at the 4hr replay from the last IGTC race. Just a sec...

I'm not seeing the issue with this 4hr replay. It goes at the usual speed (merrily crunching the CPU performance) and stops FFWDing properly when I hit ESC. :shrug:

[510N3D]

yeah cheers DWB, just two hours remaining and then ill find out ;). Too bad the server was more packed then it is right now. Could be a missing factor or something. I dont know. Will report back then.

How many drivers where in that 4hrs race actually?

[Fischfix]

Big Up For Replay Controlls!!!

[danielMG]

I think this is a bug: in the Options menus, the option to choose between Auto and Manual gears appears in both the Driver section and the Controls section.

[510N3D]

ok i just had another session and the same stuff happend again. I cant choose a specific spot on the line but instead the yellow bar is going to the very end or close to it. I also checked if the same thing happens with a rather short replay (at the same server) but that was not the case. Im curious if the same happens when other people watch this replay. (ignore the content, just focus on the error of course ;) )

Oh and what i meant about that it wouldn't stop until i press ESC was that it would fast forward to the very end (where the yellow bar is) and not to the point where i have actually clicked to. I thought it might have been just a bug in the overlay (or whatever its called (sry)) and it would still stop there but thats not the case. At least as far as i have tested it. Also, i was wondering if an instant fast forward would be expectable at some point regardless the length of the replay which was why i have quoted you Scawen. That doesn't mean that im demanding something but im just curious (just in case there is a language barrier hidden somewhere ;) ) meh..here's the replay:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d31ggpyywmq

Edit: After i have restarted LFS to see what happens then, the yellow bar is going to the very end again but now it is stopping where i have clicked to (or the yellow bar should be)...:scratchch

The server is still on Y, maybe its just that?

:shrug:

[Hyperactive]

Just in case anyone doesn't know, F2 and F3 do slow down and speed up time (you don't need to press SHIFT).

Yeah, I know this. There are also the v command to change view and the tab to change the car you are looking at and both have their buttons in the replay gui.

I'm just suggesting that it would be nice (better) if there was gui buttons (prolly << and >>) for adjusting the replay speed in the replay menu.

[DeadWolfBones]

yeah cheers DWB, just two hours remaining and then ill find out ;). Too bad the server was more packed then it is right now. Could be a missing factor or something. I dont know. Will report back then.

How many drivers where in that 4hrs race actually?

31 cars (~70 drivers)

[DeadWolfBones]

ok i just had another session and the same stuff happend again. I cant choose a specific spot on the line but instead the yellow bar is going to the very end or close to it. I also checked if the same thing happens with a rather short replay (at the same server) but that was not the case. Im curious if the same happens when other people watch this replay. (ignore the content, just focus on the error of course ;) )

Oh and what i meant about that it wouldn't stop until i press ESC was that it would fast forward to the very end (where the yellow bar is) and not to the point where i have actually clicked to. I thought it might have been just a bug in the overlay (or whatever its called (sry)) and it would still stop there but thats not the case. At least as far as i have tested it. Also, i was wondering if an instant fast forward would be expectable at some point regardless the length of the replay which was why i have quoted you Scawen. That doesn't mean that im demanding something but im just curious (just in case there is a language barrier hidden somewhere ;) ) meh..here's the replay:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d31ggpyywmq

Edit: After i have restarted LFS to see what happens then, the yellow bar is going to the very end again but now it is stopping where i have clicked to (or the yellow bar should be)...:scratchch

The server is still on Y, maybe its just that?

:shrug:

I tried it with this replay, and experienced exactly what you described in your edit. Yellow bar goes all the way to the end, but the FFWD stops at the chosen spot anyway, ESC works.

Hmm...

[KiRmelius]

Thank You!

[Stefani24]

Great interface, and THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the replay rewind funktion.

[Bluebird B B]

Great patch!!!!!
Also the intro/main menu screen is much better.
Replay options Great ! :D

[LFSn00b]

What track is the picture on scawen? BL?
BL RallyX

[Scawen]

As it is now, IF someone finishes 1 lap behind they are registered as -1 lap, but if someone finishes 2 or more laps behind it is listed as +2 laps or +3 laps...

Can this please be changed to EITHER - laps OR + lapsOK, it was just a small error in the Danish translation, I've fixed it now so that will be ok in the next patch.

After i have restarted LFS to see what happens then, the yellow bar is going to the very end again but now it is stopping where i have clicked to (or the yellow bar should be)...:scratchchThanks, I can reproduce the bug by watching the replay you posted. I guess it will be easy to fix.

[Flame CZE]

Scawen, if you didnt read this post http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=800640#post800640
please read it :) eventually respond

[Scawen]

No, I will not respond. I have made a note of every bug posted on this thread but I will not write a message for every one "Hi, I've added it to my notes".

Thank you for the bug reports. The thing to do is just check when the next test patch comes out. At that point, please check that any bug you reported has been fixed. In the rare case that I somehow missed one and failed to fix it, please do remind me of the missed bug.

This is the way I have found is the most efficient way for me to work.

[gezmoor]

Haven't checked out the replay feature yet but I have a couple of comments:

a) I think the layout of the pages under the "Options" menu needs work. They're all a bit fussy at the moment and if you scroll through the pages things seem to pop up in random places on the screen.

b) I'm not keen on the buttons in the screen cornners. Don't like the way they are bordered by the actual screen edge, to me it makes it all look a bit unfinished. Also, I don't like the colours, I feel they're too garish, (especially the orange). Less saturated colours would look more sophisticated in my opinion.

Little things I know but they all add to the overall impression of a professional product. Not something that needs time now, but definitely before the final product.

[AndroidXP]

Also, I don't like the colours, I feel they're too garish, (especially the orange). Less saturated colours would look more sophisticated in my opinion.
That's why there is the interface menu, where you can change the colours to whatever you like :shhh:

[gezmoor]

That's why there is the interface menu, where you can change the colours to whatever you like :shhh:

oopss :x

Even so, I would still think the defaults should be more sophisticated. First impressions and all that. :razz:

[russraine]

I think it's great, well done.

[Scawen]

a) I think the layout of the pages under the "Options" menu needs work. They're all a bit fussy at the moment and if you scroll through the pages things seem to pop up in random places on the screen.Any examples?

I think the options screens are quite consistent, not *fully* consistent because each has its own special coding because of each one's different needs and purposes.

Sometimes it may seem random, for example "skins in memory" on the misc options page. But that's some spare space and there are skin related options on that page, so it's not really random. It would be quite a bad idea to make a special page for that info - which isn't the most vital info at all but is nice to know and is happily tucked away in the misc options screen. On the view menu there are a couple of things that appear on the right, but they are 100% related to what's on the left.

Anyway I have no real idea what you mean, I can only guess because you didn't give any examples. The options screens get a little rearrangement every now and then but I don't see any real problems with them at the moment.

b) I'm not keen on the buttons in the screen cornners. Don't like the way they are bordered by the actual screen edge, to me it makes it all look a bit unfinished. Also, I don't like the colours, I feel they're too garish, (especially the orange). Less saturated colours would look more sophisticated in my opinion.Corner buttons are the easiest to click. It's mostly about ease of use and clear distinctions. I didn't design most of the colours but I am quite happy with them. I think the orange-red (cancel / back) buttons are designed to go with the logo.

[sgt.flippy]

Is it already suggested to add slow motion buttons to the replay bar? I just downloaded the new patch, tried it and it was the first thing that came to my mind.

And I'm not sure if I have edited background images, but the options menus could do without really. Makes a lot of stuff hard to read for me. I'm sorry if I don't have the original files, maybe the normal ones don't have this problem, but I can't remember :D

[MikeB]

EDIT : Although, for MPRs an easier thing could in fact be done, than a perfect game state save suitable for an SPR, using something like an MPR header. In short I imagine that will be done at some point but not in Patch Z.

EDIT 2 : You have got me thinking... anyway, it's on my notes now but I don't know when it will be done as I do have quite a lot of urgent things to do.


Hey, on-demand mpr-header creation is what i am currently working on for the next major release of mprEdit :x
Scawen, I'll let you know when I'm finished so you can take over my code :D (lol, just kidding :tilt:)

[510N3D]

Thanks, I can reproduce the bug by watching the replay you posted. I guess it will be easy to fix.

Glad i could help. Im just confused that im unable to reproduce the bug which i have mentioned in first place (yellow bar goes all the way to the end of the replay and it would not stop at the point where i have clicked to). Im 100% sure it was as i've reported it and now i feel a bit fooled since im unable to reproduce this again. Anyway, i guess when this is fixed it doesn't really matter anymore.

[need]

i need help and very quick
i go to go on lfs and it says cant load font please help me i got an event in an hour and half

I've been able to reproduce this on Vista Ultimate 64 bit.
If I do a fresh install of LFS version Y, it runs ok, if I then update it to Y19, I get this error.
All previous installs of LFS will update without any problems, (I've been able to update from Y and Y18 without any issues), but I've now done 3 fresh installs and updated them, and got the same error each time. The fresh install will run ok prior to the update being run.

Screenshot of the error attached. Note - the mouse isn't visable in the screenshot for some reason, but it is bound to the lfs box in the top left, I need to use 'Alt-TAB' to be able to close the error box which then closes LFS.

[Scawen]

Are you sure the patch was installed correctly?

There is a file data\abc\lfs.abc in the patch and the file date is 8th May 2008 / 19:59.

If there is an old font file there, the new patch will not run, and would just show that error message.

[need]

Just check that folder, the file is there and dated as you say it should be.
Screenshot attached.

[need]

OK found it :)
Y18 and earlier, LFS will run fine whether you run it as Admin or not.
Y19, you need to run the LFS.exe as Admin or you get the 'font not found' error.
This is on Vista Ultimate 64 bit, I've not tested it on other Vista versions.

This also only applies to a fresh install and update. Older installs will update without any issues.

[Whiskey]

Im on Vista Bussines 64 Bits, and I never had problems with fonts. I have 3 users in windows, they all are set as admins

[Scawen]

Sounds like some stupid issue with Vista being over protective as usual to the point where you can't use your own computer.

[need]

Tested it now on Vista Home Premium 64 bit, works ok on that without the lfs.exe needing to be 'run as admin'.
Could someone else with Vista Ultimate test this?
Both 32 and 64 bit.

[Electrik Kar]

I've found that since Vista Sp1 (64 bit) I've had to run LFS as admin to get it to work. The same can be said for some other games as well, so I don't think it's got much to do with LFS.

Edit: Well (tested again), it seems I don't need to do that anymore. Heh, just adding to the confusion I guess...

[need]

Both the Ultimate and Home Premium versions I'm running, are updated to SP1.
In fact, the Home Premium version, is an SP1 install disk.

[Frank H]

Good job on making replays more usable! :thumb:

[russraine]

Running fine on Vista Ultimate 32 bit SP1 and did not need to allow administrator.

[Bluebird B B]

Sounds like some stupid issue with Vista being over protective as usual to the point where you can't use your own computer.

Never had any problems here with lfs on vista home premium 64 bits. Lfs is stable and frame-rate is very good.

[detail]

I've noted that some mp replays were recorded not to the end (may be not up to the moment when they've been saved). Yet I couldn't figure that out, but saw this at least three times: the replays ended mid-race when I was too busy driving with mouse to save them manually. Has anybody else noted the same?

[Scawen]

Never had any problems here with lfs on vista home premium 64 bits. Lfs is stable and frame-rate is very good.The thing that worries me about LFS on Vista from LFS is the auto updater. You know more about this than me because I don't have Vista, and I'm very happy to to have it... but in Vista's default mode it doesn't allow LFS to simply download and install an update. I know it comes up with dialogs and so on asking the user about running as an administrator and so on. I'm sure there is some logic behind it but it's not easy for new users to understand.

And then the programmer has to jump through hoops to get around this thing that makes something that should be easy, now become so hard, specially for users who don't know that much about computers. Some people I know who aren't very experienced with computers, don't like Vista because it is so annoying. I don't really understand what Microsoft were trying to achieve. I can only think they were trying to reduce computer security issues.

But it seems to me like trying to make a car safe by covering it in lead armour to avoid the sun's radiation, filling it with already inflated air bags in case you might have an accident and welding the doors shut in case someone might want to steal your mobile phone.

[AndroidXP]

But it seems to me like trying to make a car safe by covering it in lead armour to avoid the sun's radiation, filling it with already inflated air bags in case you might have an accident and welding the doors shut in case someone might want to steal your mobile phone.A surprisingly accurate analogy :tilt:

[need]

I was planning a fresh OS install of both systems in the near future anyway, I'll see if I can get it done tomorrow and see what happens.

[Private6]

Nice work on the AA, now my LFS looks so nice!!!!

I stopped playing for a while but this update will get me back on the circuit :D

[Homeless_Drunk]

This is my first time posting in the test forum...I download every test patch that comes out and always eagerly await new releases but I never run into any issues or find any bugs so I don't feel the need to post here, haha :)

Sounds like some stupid issue with Vista being over protective as usual to the point where you can't use your own computer.

You may find this article intresting: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080411-vistas-uac-security-prompt-was-designed-to-annoy-you.html

I know you're a busy guy so I'll just quote the jist of the article.

UAC's real purpose is quite simple: it's meant to trip whenever a routine attempts to elevate security privileges, and get in your face. As we have reported before, this has two goals (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070501-microsoft-uac-approach-is-so-good-other-oses-should-follow-suit.html): a) it give users a chance to approve of the elevation in the off chance that something wrong is happening, and b) it encourages developers to design their software such that privilege elevations aren't needed in the first place. The latter is really the point of UAC, since users have absolutely zero control over the privilege requests their applications make (other than to chose not to install said apps).

UAC is just there to help you protect you and also help software developers (you) produce more secure software for your users. I'm not saying please change LFS to adapt to these new found standards, I'm just showing you why they were implemented if you didn't already know. I haven't had any issues on Vista so far, LFS runs like a champ :)

Anyways, I look forward to the next patch! You guys are doing an awesome job!

[gezmoor]

Any examples?

I think the options screens are quite consistent, not *fully* consistent because each has its own special coding because of each one's different needs and purposes.

Sometimes it may seem random, for example "skins in memory" on the misc options page. But that's some spare space and there are skin related options on that page, so it's not really random. It would be quite a bad idea to make a special page for that info - which isn't the most vital info at all but is nice to know and is happily tucked away in the misc options screen. On the view menu there are a couple of things that appear on the right, but they are 100% related to what's on the left.

Anyway I have no real idea what you mean, I can only guess because you didn't give any examples. The options screens get a little rearrangement every now and then but I don't see any real problems with them at the moment.

Just a case of various bits not lining up with other bits of graphic on the same page or inconsitancy of layout between pages, (predominantly stuff on the right hand side), which you can see if you scroll between pages. Stuff seems to move around. I think it would look neater if you had fixed positions on the pages for left and right columns of information so when you flick between pages you have consitant areas of information presentation and areas of background.


Corner buttons are the easiest to click. It's mostly about ease of use and clear distinctions. I didn't design most of the colours but I am quite happy with them. I think the orange-red (cancel / back) buttons are designed to go with the logo.

Fair point, but then you have other buttons within the menus, such as the various page buttons in the options menu, also for example the "interface" button. I just feel the corner buttons would look more integrated with the rest of the feel of the graphics if they looked like these other buttons but with the same colours as the logo, (if those are the colours you prefer).


On a completely different, (and more important issue), I just had this patch die on me whilst trying to adjust an interface colour.

I'm running Vista 32bit and this is the event log:

Faulting application LFS.exe, version 0.0.0.0, time stamp 0x482dd122, faulting module nvd3dum.dll, version 7.15.11.7516, time stamp 0x481c0c8f, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x002dc7ce, process id 0x810, application start time 0x01c8b9177b573179.

Followed by these logs:

A request to disable the Desktop Window Manager was made by process (LFS.exe)

The Desktop Window Manager was unable to start because composition was disabled by a running application

[SamH]

@ Mr _Drunk.. therein lies the problem.. because a software update is bound to require elevated permissions.. the changes to LFS are significant - a new LFS.exe for starters, plus more. My understanding is that there is no mechanism provided to s/ware developers to make the changes required to their own software without tripping this ridiculous UAC when it's enabled.

It's just not reasonable to blame s/ware developers for the fundamental security inadequacies of the OS.

[Homeless_Drunk]

I wasn't blaming anyone. I was just stating why UAC was implemented. I know it is ridiculous. I'm a computer tech and most of my clients only gripe about Vista is the annoying UAC prompts. They are pretty easy to disable so its not that big of a deal.

Everything is documented. Microsoft wouldn't release a silly thing like that and not tell anyone how to update their code to avoid annoyance. Here's the link, http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/6/a/56a0ed11-e073-42f9-932b-38acd478f46d/WindowsVistaUACDevReqs.doc

One thing I hope is that Microsoft can come up with a better solution for Windows 7. Vista is a great foundation for something much better so we can only look ahead and see what they have to offer next :)

[dougie-lampkin]

I haven't dealt with UAC much, I've been using the Super-Admin account as my main account since the start :shrug: It just gives everything admin status, without prompting me every 2 bloody seconds. And it's no more prone to infection than with UAC on, I've yet to come across a malicious program that asks for permission to infect a PC :razz:

[Shotglass]

I don't really understand what Microsoft were trying to achieve.

i think something along the lines of what sudo does in linux

@ Mr _Drunk.. therein lies the problem.. because a software update is bound to require elevated permissions..

yes but tinkering with installed software is not something a normal user should be priviliged to do

not sure if it works in vista but if you give the user account rwx rights on the folder games are installed in it should not be a problem

It's just not reasonable to blame s/ware developers for the fundamental security inadequacies of the OS.

in this case it very much is
software that practically forces you to be logged in with root priviliges at all times is a security hole that is not the os developers fault

[Reese]

For me it works very well (Vista Ultimate x64) without running the LFS.exe as Administrator.
The first time I played on Multiplayer, the firewall showed up and I choose to not block LFS.exe anymore ....
so no problems for me on Vista everything works fine so far.
I like the new replay functions but the interface, the entry screen as well as the multiplayer screen have this new buttons but the rest!? As I said I like it but its so confusing, new buttons here - old buttons there, just my opinion ;)
In conclusion good work so far :)

MfG Reese

[gohfeld23]

What's the verdict on the black sky?
I combed through the thread but didnt find a sollution short of reinstalling LFS.

[AndroidXP]

What's the verdict on the black sky?
I combed through the thread but didnt find a sollution short of reinstalling LFS.
The solution is wait for Y20+ :dunce:
(Or not use widescreen)

[Scawen]

Edit: After i have restarted LFS to see what happens then, the yellow bar is going to the very end again but now it is stopping where i have clicked to (or the yellow bar should be)...:scratchchOK, the bug turned out to be that if the MPR was of a race that you had joined after it had already started, the yellow line (replay destination) was shown in the wrong place when you tried to fast forward to any point.

For example if the race had already run for 3 minutes when you joined, then later when watching the replay, you clicked at the 1 minute point in your replay, it would try to draw the yellow bar at the 4 minute point (but was bounded to the end of the slider bar) although functionally it worked correctly and actually forwarded correctly to the clicked point.

The Y20 patch notes will have this line :

FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race

And I'm just reporting the fix here now because that one-liner is a bit short. I must keep the fix descriptions short! :)

[SamH]

How about "FIX : Timeline marked incorrect race time in incomplete replays"?

I'm just messing!! It's so difficult to cram clear information into short sentences.. it's an artform in itself! :)

[ru7 [SLO]]

I have a Q. Yesterday a few S2 users (me + 2 friends) was racing on S1 server and we decided to race on BL1R. We were all kicked from the server (JOOS error or sometning similar). Is this Y18 related?. It looked like LFS made us demo users and decided we cant race there :razz:

Maybe it is server related. Hope it can be replicated...

[510N3D]

OK, the bug turned out to be that if the MPR was of a race that you had joined after it had already started, the yellow line (replay destination) was shown in the wrong place when you tried to fast forward to any point.

For example if the race had already run for 3 minutes when you joined, then later when watching the replay, you clicked at the 1 minute point in your replay, it would try to draw the yellow bar at the 4 minute point (but was bounded to the end of the slider bar) although functionally it worked correctly and actually forwarded correctly to the clicked point.

The Y20 patch notes will have this line :

FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race

And I'm just reporting the fix here now because that one-liner is a bit short. I must keep the fix descriptions short! :)


Ok this makes perfectly sense. I guess that the same thing (fix) should apply on replays which are beeing recorded in practice mode as well? Since i have tried shorter replays which i have created at the same server without having this "issue", longer replay's instead would be only viewable with this "bug".

[wsinda]

Quirks:
When you press Escape while dragging the slider, you first get the menu, and when you return from the menu, the replay-rewinding starts. (I expected the drag to be canceled.)
When you move to the start of the replay, the screen is black. (I expected to see the first frame, or at least the "Paused" indicator.)Suggestions for buttons:
Fast-forward button to control the speed (left-click == F2; right-click == F3; wheel-click == reset speed to 1.0).
Button to move to the start of the next/previous lap (as measured on the leading car).

[Tisza]

Awsome patch!! The new menu is cool i think! We've waited a long time for the replay menus! :) Good work!!

[Jakg]

Scawen, if you want a copy of Vista PM me - I'll be more than happy to give you a spare Vista Business Key I have (although you'll have to find a Vista Business disk).

(It's totally legal, never been used - I just can't sell it due to the license when I got it for free so it's useless to me!)

[Scawen]

;802267']I have a Q. Yesterday a few S2 users (me + 2 friends) was racing on S1 server and we decided to race on BL1R. We were all kicked from the server (JOOS error or sometning similar). Is this Y18 related?. It looked like LFS made us demo users and decided we cant race there :razz:

Maybe it is server related. Hope it can be replicated...I guess it's not Y18 related but please do let me know if you can reproduce it.

Scawen, if you want a copy of Vista PM me - I'll be more than happy to give you a spare Vista Business Key I have (although you'll have to find a Vista Business disk).

(It's totally legal, never been used - I just can't sell it due to the license when I got it for free so it's useless to me!)Thanks but... I think what I'll need to do is get a new computer soon anyway, with Vista on it and then have a look what this UAC and elevation is all about. :schwitz:

[John5200]

Suggestions for buttons:
Fast-forward button to control the speed (left-click == F2; right-click == F3; wheel-click == reset speed to 1.0).
Button to move to the start of the next/previous lap (as measured on the leading car).
+1 :thumb:

nice work scawen :nod:

i hope its not a dump question that was asked 100000 times before, but it would be greate to have LFSworld in lfs too :shy:

looking fereword for patch Y20 :D

[detail]

Maybe use mouse wheel to scroll along the replay (5 or 10 seconds step)?

[nesrulz]

Since Y18, i think :scratchch, anyway...

Can u fix this BUG with mirror position, pls.

Before XFG (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=56429&stc=1&d=1211217569)
After XFG (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=56430&stc=1&d=1211217756)

XFR:
Mirror offset lateral 0.260 m
Mirror offset vertical 0.062 m

XFR offset (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=56432&stc=1&d=1211218079)

XFG:
Mirror offset lateral 0.238 m
Mirror offset vertical 0.044 m

XFG offset (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=56431&stc=1&d=1211217958)

Example: XFR > XFG, XFG > XFR.
Then, restart LFS (use XFR) and everything is OK...

XFR offset (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=56432&stc=1&d=1211218079)

btw, 1280x1024 32 bit here...

RGDS

[CobraDrifter]

Since Y19,sometimes my pit background dissapear and goes all black.Happened to me 3 times and one of my friend had it happening 1 time.

[Scawen]

Do you know how to reproduce that? What did you click, how did it happen? If you can describe how to do it then I can fix it. I guess you don't know exactly how but maybe you can remember something...

[Luke.S]

I had that once was on multiplayer then pitted and it was black. I only pressed shift+p i quit the pits went back in and it was fine again.

[aroX123]

I had that once was on multiplayer then pitted and it was black. I only pressed shift+p i quit the pits went back in and it was fine again.
did you see ONLY Black, or did you see some other stuff?

[master_lfs.5101]

scawen i seem to be having a problem. When im playing it has major FPS drops. sometimes it lags between frames. I fix it by doing Shift+4 then Shift+4 again. (It was running in windowed but this hapens in full screen also) Do you know what causes this?

[CobraDrifter]

Do you know how to reproduce that? What did you click, how did it happen? If you can describe how to do it then I can fix it. I guess you don't know exactly how but maybe you can remember something...I tryed to reproduce it and wasn't able to.I was just pitting normaly and the background was already black.I don't remember if the car still had reflections on it,next time it happen i'm gonna check that.

[FL!P]

Scawen,

I noticed a couple of things in the Controls screen (FWIW):

1. In the Buttons 2 section you can set a button for triggering the rear view. It can be set, but when you press that button on track, nothing happens. I think that's expected because IIRC you removed the rear view, but then that setting should be removed too.

2. In the Axes/FF section, when you click on some control (like Steer) a help text appears at the bottom of the scren that reads "Select axis for : Steer (ESC - cancel / DEL - none)". But it doesn't say that you have to press Return to validate your choice. Since you have to do it only when setting an axis (not a button or a key), it might be cool to mention it.

[Flame CZE]

Scawen,
2. In the Axes/FF section, when you click on some control (like Steer) a help text appears at the bottom of the scren that reads "Select axis for : Steer (ESC - cancel / DEL - none)". But it doesn't say that you have to press Return to validate your choice. Since you have to do it only when setting an axis (not a button or a key), it might be cool to mention it.

I dont have to press Enter after turning a wheel :scratchch (my G25)

[AndroidXP]

1. In the Buttons 2 section you can set a button for triggering the rear view. It can be set, but when you press that button on track, nothing happens. I think that's expected because IIRC you removed the rear view, but then that setting should be removed too.
Not true, on race cars it will show the rear mirror, on road cars it will actually show a rear view.
2. In the Axes/FF section, when you click on some control (like Steer) a help text appears at the bottom of the scren that reads "Select axis for : Steer (ESC - cancel / DEL - none)". But it doesn't say that you have to press Return to validate your choice. Since you have to do it only when setting an axis (not a button or a key), it might be cool to mention it.
Errr, you don't have to validate the choice :confused:
You simply click on "Steer" in the function list, then for example on "X-axis" in the list of available axes to the right.

[GP4Flo]

Some problems:
- When you load a replay that goes OOS after some time and you move the timeline slider into the OOS section, LFS will show no error message and it looks like the game hangs (moving the timeline isn't possible anymore). Pressing Esc recovers LFS, but imo it should do that itself and show an error message.
- The < and > controls don't seem to work with my German keyboard layout. They are also both on the same key and you have to press shift to get the >. I think it would be better to just use the arrow keys because these are the keys I would expect to use in a game for replays controls - without the need to look them up in a manual.

Edit: In the garage screen when I select a default set and try to move one of the sliders I get a "cannot change default set"-message spamming.

(sorry if those points have already been posted, couldn't be bothered to read nearly 8 pages of "you are god"-messages)

[Whiskey]

With my spanish keyboard, the controls of the replay, and the controls for making layouts are not < > (near to the "z". I have to use the other side: "," and "." who are into the right of the "M"

I think the most of you also has to use this keys instead the < >

[Shotglass]

- The < and > controls don't seem to work with my German keyboard layout. They are also both on the same key and you have to press shift to get the >. I think it would be better to just use the arrow keys because these are the keys I would expect to use in a game for replays controls - without the need to look them up in a manual.

they work just fine if you know where they are on a us layout (, and .) just like they always have to change the ffb without using the options menu

[Scawen]

- When you load a replay that goes OOS after some time and you move the timeline slider into the OOS section, LFS will show no error message and it looks like the game hangs (moving the timeline isn't possible anymore). Pressing Esc recovers LFS, but imo it should do that itself and show an error message.You are the first to mention this but I thought of it yesterday and the fix is (as you suggest) that it breaks out of fast forwarding at that point so you see the OOS error message.

- The < and > controls don't seem to work with my German keyboard layout. They are also both on the same key and you have to press shift to get the >. I think it would be better to just use the arrow keys because these are the keys I would expect to use in a game for replays controls - without the need to look them up in a manual.The arrow keys were the first idea but they can't be used because the replay controls work in SHIFT+U mode and the arrow keys are already used there.

About < and > ... as Shotglass says, they are the same keys as "less force" and "more force". On my keyboard "<" and ">" are the same as COMMA (,) and FULL STOP (.)

So... maybe it's just the documentation that needs changing? Is it in fact COMMA and FULL STOP on ALL keyboards?

[Whiskey]

Shotglass, I was faster than you hehe

[FL!P]

Not true, on race cars it will show the rear mirror, on road cars it will actually show a rear view.
Ah OK, I missed that. Thank you.

Errr, you don't have to validate the choice :confused:
You simply click on "Steer" in the function list, then for example on "X-axis" in the list of available axes to the right.
Yes, but as long as you don't press return, you can change the same setting by using a different axis. It's only when you press return that your choice is "fixed" (and the help text at the bottom disappears). At least in my experience.

[Whiskey]

To Scawen:

Maybe you want to check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout

[Jonas8431]

i dont want to read whole thread, so now in single player I can not get the AIs the new fuel tank(porcent), in the options i have ais with the same skin/set. in the previous patches i had to remove ais from the grid, then re add ais and they have the new set. i do that but nothing happends.

[Stigpt]

Bug Report:

.. or sort of.
When using the in-game menu to add AA/AF, and THEN try to fraps it, it fraps @ 10fps or less.
Put in-game AA/AF to zero, then via nVidia control panel add the AA/AF (to 8x/16x), and I can fraps @ 45fps...

Something's fishy, or just not quite optimized correctly.
Not that BIG a bug, maybe just me, but depending on the code itself, a quick look might work (or a quick look might just not BE possible :D)

[A.Fedorov]

It's not BUG of LFS. Try with other game

[Bluebird B B]

The thing that worries me about LFS on Vista from LFS is the auto updater. You know more about this than me because I don't have Vista, and I'm very happy to to have it... but in Vista's default mode it doesn't allow LFS to simply download and install an update. I know it comes up with dialogs and so on asking the user about running as an administrator and so on. I'm sure there is some logic behind it but it's not easy for new users to understand..

I can' t remember i had such problems, i will note any problems and report them next time the auto-updater has something to update.

[Scawen]

i dont want to read whole thread, so now in single player I can not get the AIs the new fuel tank(porcent), in the options i have ais with the same skin/set. in the previous patches i had to remove ais from the grid, then re add ais and they have the new set. i do that but nothing happends.I'm not really sure what you mean. At least since Patch Y you can't select the fuel load for AI drivers - they will do that for themselves. And fuel load is not part of the setup (although it is in the garage screen).

So the option "AI use player setup" should allow you to specify the setup used by AI but not the fuel load.

I can' t remember i had such problems, i will note any problems and report them next time the auto-updater has something to update.As far as I know, it's ok if you run LFS as an administrator or if you switch off the UAC. Is that what you do? My limited understanding is that many Vista users just run everything as administrator to avoid the various issues that can come up with software that has not been fully adapted to deal with Vista.

[xaotik]

i dont want to read whole thread, so now in single player I can not get the AIs the new fuel tank(porcent), in the options i have ais with the same skin/set. in the previous patches i had to remove ais from the grid, then re add ais and they have the new set. i do that but nothing happends.

Quick work-around: If you want to have them use the same fuel load as you for their first stint, then set the number of laps for the race to as many as the amount of fuel you want to use permits then when the race starts, pause the game and set the laps to a bigger number with the /laps command.

[Bluebird B B]

UAC is off.
It is a useless functionality on home-system.

The only way microsoft can make a system secure is by shutting off functionality :D

[Jonas8431]

Quick work-around...

ok that works, but if i want a qualify for 30 munutes, the ais dont realod tank, they always start with 5(porcent), then they go to boxes and turn off engines.

[Scawen]

Since Y19,sometimes my pit background dissapear and goes all black.Happened to me 3 times and one of my friend had it happening 1 time.

I had that once was on multiplayer then pitted and it was black. I only pressed shift+p i quit the pits went back in and it was fine again.

did you see ONLY Black, or did you see some other stuff?I still can't reproduce this and can't see how it could happen as described.

I was able to reproduce something similar - if you go into the car selection screen then exit by pressing a key (e.g. X / ENTER / ESCAPE) inastead of clicking a button then you get a black background in the setup screen... and ALL screens, until you enter the car selection screen again and exit by clicking a button.

That's fixed now in my version but that doesn't sound like the way you described it.

[Cue-Ball]

ok that works, but if i want a qualify for 30 munutes, the ais dont realod tank, they always start with 5(porcent), then they go to boxes and turn off engines.5% fuel is enough for the AI to run several laps in most any track/car combo. Because they are not human they don't make mistakes or progressively get faster, so there's no reason for them to qualify for hours on end.

I'm not sure I even understand the desire to have them run for longer. Don't you want a clear track for qualification? I think it would be nice if the AI staggered themselves a bit more so that they aren't all on the track at once, but I certainly don't see any reason someone would want them out there for more laps than is necessary.

[Jonas8431]

Don't you want a clear track for qualification?.

qualifying alone????
no. do you seggest to remove qualify for ais¿¿¿:D

[SamH]

Found a bug but it's intermittent. Hit escape in a paused replay, choose "end race" and LFS sometimes freezes/locks.

[Scawen]

Found a bug but it's intermittent. Hit escape in a paused replay, choose "end race" and LFS sometimes freezes/locks.I tried that in the debugger and amazingly got it first time. Or at least one version of it.

The reason in this case was because a guest was connecting so it wouldn't let me leave the race. And being paused that meant I could never leave. The fix is of course to allow that if it's a replay.

If this is the bug you found, then you would have still been looking at LFS with the "paused" button flashing, and a yellow "leave" button in the escape menu.

[SamH]

If this is the bug you found, then you would have still been looking at LFS with the "paused" button flashing, and a yellow "leave" button in the escape menu.
Very nearly the same, yep! In each of the cases I've been able to invoke the freeze, a new guest is connecting in the replay. :thumb:

The menu isn't quite as you describe, but that sounds like the difference between a live race and a replay ("end race" instead of "leave"). Otherwise I think we're both looking at the same bug :)

[edit] Actually, apart from the yellow "end race" button, bottom left, in mine the other clickable menu buttons have disappeared. Top left it still says "Replay Menu (loaded)".

[Scawen]

Here is an update with a lot of fixes!

It's only an exe.

TEST PATCH Y19 MUST ALREADY BE INSTALLED!

Changes in Y20 :

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16
MPR fast forwarding is now approximately five times quicker
Added output frequency and slip fraction to the RAF file output
Documentation references to '<' / '>' keys changed to ',' / '.'
Replay controls appear when mouse is over them or start of replay
Connections / race positions / pedals are visible beside controls
Auto mode switching so F9 to F12 / N / SHIFT+L work even if hidden
FIX : ALT+F4 did not exit LFS from a training lesson
FIX : Command /entry did not work while watching a replay
FIX : Slider action is now cancelled on pressing ESC, T, etc.
FIX : Replay controls appeared for a moment at start of intro
FIX : Replay controls were shown during training lesson replay
FIX : Replay OOS error now breaks out of fast forwarding state
FIX : Mirror position correction was missed in load of most cars
FIX : Escape from car select screen resulted in black backgrounds
FIX : Replay destination was wrong in MPR of already started race
FIX : Could get stuck leaving a paused MPR while guest connecting
FIX : Disabled various text commands from training (including /ai)
FIX : Paused indicator is now shown when paused at start of replay
FIX : Sky / sea / default ground was black with wide screen effect
FIX : SHIFT+U visible objects list is now updated after forwarding
FIX : Ban statistic was sent when attempting to ban a host by /ban
FIX : Error message spamming when moving a default setup slider bar
FIX : Mouse look deactivated if mouse available (even if invisible)


DOWNLOAD :

PATCH Y20 (Patch Y19 must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y19_TO_Y20.zip (1 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y20.zip (1.5 MB)

[Dru]

45 minutes on an enduro replay with 30 cars FFWD in just 5 seconds that is great stuff :thumb:

[chanoman315]

I have a problem, a lot may have, when Shift U, if you try to accelerate the speed (Meters per second) the time line of the replay appears, making it difficult.

[baSh0r]

Guys, release Z ^^

[eindh]

One really small thing :shy:. Why is the g-force panel on F9 and F10 using a different font than the rest of the interface? IMHO it should be consistent with the other info panels. It's a bit colourful for my taste.

[Scawen]

I have a problem, a lot may have, when Shift U, if you try to accelerate the speed (Meters per second) the time line of the replay appears, making it difficult.I think that is a Y19 issue that is fixed in Y20.

[Flame CZE]

Bug:
1) play MPR replay
2) pause it in any position
3) press SHIFT+U and set Follow car to Yes
4) move the replay slider to any position after the position it is, so move it to the right
Result: some textures will not show

When you move to the left instead to the right, it is OK.
When you don't pause the game (you don't do 2)), it is OK.
It seems to not happen in SPR.

[Scawen]

Bug:When you report a bug, please can you tell me if it is in Y19 or Y20.

Because that bug was reported in Y19 and I've fixed it in Y20.... so I need to know if my fix failed.

[Heiko1]

IN Y 20
at me it shows an error.

Error: Could not load fond


Can anybody help me?

[Scawen]

at me it shows an error.

Error: Could not load fond


Can anybody help me?Did you install Y19 first? You must or there is no chance.

Or are you using Vista? In which case you must run LFS as an adminsistrator.

One really small thing :shy:. Why is the g-force panel on F9 and F10 using a different font than the rest of the interface? IMHO it should be consistent with the other info panels. It's a bit colourful for my taste.The reason for this is so that it doesn't jiggle around (with the standard font, every time a 1 appears, the text moves left or right). The 5x7 font (which was created for the LCD / LED dashboards) was the easiest way to do it. I think it could be done with 7-segment digital numbers as well but I'm not sure that would be any more consistent.

EDIT : Ah no, I remember now, if the digital font was used and the solid up arrow, down arrow and circle, then it would still jiggle, because the arrows and circle have different widths. The 5x7 font is the only way to guarantee no jiggling because all characters have exactly the same width.

[Flame CZE]

When you report a bug, please can you tell me if it is in Y19 or Y20.

Because that bug was reported in Y19 and I've fixed it in Y20.... so I need to know if my fix failed.
sorry Scawen...

it was in Y20

[Heiko1]

Im admin and dont use Vista :)

I hate Vista ^^

mh but it was at Y8 at me to but then i loadet the next patch then it was fixed. mh

[Jakg]

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16WOOT! FINALLY!

[Mp3 Astra]

Great update.

I notice in Y20: When you click a place on the timeline, the replay winds further forward than where you clicked and then moves back to where you initially clicked.

For example, in the attachment, the grey bar is where I clicked, but the replay winds forward to where the yellow bar is, then instantly goes back to where I clicked first.

[Pablo.CZ]

Increased maximum number of car shadows from 8 to 16Great! Is it possible to make option for 24 and 32? I'd like to have all cars with shadows. ( example where 16 isnt enough (http://www.czechlfs.net/submitted/reportpics/pco_soc/pco_z1_d4_01.jpg) )

[Flame CZE]

Yes it would be good to have an option to set number of shadows

[Scawen]

No, because of the way the shadows fit onto a shadow texture, 4 by 4, that cannot be done without significant changes and there is no time for that before Patch Z.

It does not compare with the other priority tasks I still have to do.

[510N3D]

good stuff :thumb: