Competition Caution?

[lizardfolk]

Should competition caution be implemented? Here's the system:

During the midway of the race a caution would be thrown. If a competition caution is thrown then all the cars would have to make the pit stop during that caution (just like a regular NASCAR pitstop). All lead lap cars pit first then all lapped down cars pit after.

The purpose of this system is to:
1. Bring the field together if there has not been a caution yet.
2. Give lapped down/struggling cars a chance to breath and recuperate.
3. Finally and most importantly, provide the jam packed pit road race that you always see in stock car racing (by forcing everyone to come to pit road).

If implemented, the competition caution would not be thrown:
1. If there has been more than three cautions before the CC period.
2. If there's a caution 5 laps before the CC is suppose to fly, then that caution would be considered the CC.
3. On Short Tracks (autoX ovals)

Since pit crew speeds dont really vary, I wonder if there's a point to this (since the CC is mainly for pit road competition).

What do you guys think?

[scania]

I don't really understand...
do you have any video of it?

Do it like the pit stop windows in A1?

[lizardfolk]

Not really, crammed pit roads are such a common thing in NASCAR that it's not even a rule.

Basically this is the best I can show u: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Ez4If_5cI&feature=related

Where all the cars on the lead lap are pitting and all the cars 1 lap down or more stay out. When the cars that are on the lead lap are finished with their pit stops, then the lapped down cars will come to pit road.

What a competition caution will do in the StormCup is the safety car will come out when the halfway point of the race is reached. Then after all the cars are collected under the Safety Car, all the lead lap cars will pit. Then when that's done the lapped down cars will make their pit stop as after. This is to facilitate the crammed pit stop conditions that you see in that video

[evilpimp]

Nahhh, it would be fun but in a league it would suck that the leader loses a HUGE gap because of that. But I guess seeing as it'll be halfway and not at the end of the race it won't matter too much.

iono, I voted no but I really don't mind :P.

[scania]

Is it let the lapped down cars go go back to the rear of the lead car?

[lizardfolk]

Ok. Scania.

On cautions the lapped down cars have to line themselves up ON THE OUTSIDE of the lead lap cars. NASCAR does the opposite, but since in LFS that would be unreasonable for the lead lap cars we do it opposite.

So lead lap cars ON THE INSIDE and lapped down cars ON THE OUTSIDE when ever there's a caution.

Nahhh, it would be fun but in a league it would suck that the leader loses a HUGE gap because of that. But I guess seeing as it'll be halfway and not at the end of the race it won't matter too much.

Ya I'm careful about that. that's why I have a rule in which if there's 3 laps to go there will not be a caution and the CC will always be at the halfway point

[mutt107]

i think we should have a pit stop that you must do cause running all the way without pitting is not realistic

[lizardfolk]

i think we should have a pit stop that you must do cause running all the way without pitting is not realistic

A compulsory pit stop (manditory pit stop) and a competition caution is two different things. Competition cautions and compulsory pit stops both require pit stops and a compulsory will be implemented if the CC is not.

The question is whether people would want a CC

[Mischief007]

I've never been a fan of competition yellows in NASCAR so I voted no.

[blackbird04217]

Nahhh, it would be fun but in a league it would suck that the leader loses a HUGE gap because of that. But I guess seeing as it'll be halfway and not at the end of the race it won't matter too much.

iono, I voted no but I really don't mind :P.

Not that I am in this cup but my two cents: Isn't that another purpose though, to keep things in the mix? I mean regardless of a HUGE gap or not, it still give others a reason not to just screwup their race knowing that the Competition Caution will happen - besides if the leader had a "HUGE" lead, they should be able to get another lead by the end of the race.

[evilpimp]

True it gives a chance if someone fast screws up just a bit

[lizardfolk]

Considering there'll be chances for regular caution periods, I'm starting to have doubts on CCs.

Oh well, so far the vote is no. So this system will not be implemented

[JO53PHS]

Don't do competition cautions. Many Kyoto 250 competitors were a bit annoyed post-race because the competition caution had ruined a great race.

The competition caution was even *condemned* on the CoRe website :D:schwitz:

[PMD9409]

Don't do competition cautions. Many Kyoto 250 competitors were a bit annoyed post-race because the competition caution had ruined a great race.

The competition caution was even *condemned* on the CoRe website :D:schwitz:

Big difference in the CC you describe and the one lizard is talking about. You guys made a "bonehead" call with 10 laps to go to throw one for no apparant reason, while lizard is talking about throwing one mid race. I voted no, but if he wants to add a mandatory pit stop I am fine with that.

[lizardfolk]

It's decided. There wont be a CC in ANY of the races. However, mandatory pit stops will be implemented for at least 4 out of the 10 races (except the short tracks) unless I receive massive complaint from the competitors.

But be advised I'm leaning towards making all of the races (except short tracks) have a mandatory pitstop (with a pit window). That'll make things more interesting ;)

[blackbird04217]

Lizard, firstly your poll has been out for a day so I wouldn't take your results yet. Secondly even though I am not in the series it would make it much more interesting as it groups everyone together. I suggest doing it at least one race; and racers can't complain much if they know about the rules, so just give them plenty of warning before that race, remind them of the rules before the start and they will handle it. Besides there are a few people who voted yes, just an hour ago it was a 50/50 poll.

[PMD9409]

Just so you know there will be considered one race with CC's, that would be the "all star race".

[lizardfolk]

Lizard, firstly your poll has been out for a day so I wouldn't take your results yet. Secondly even though I am not in the series it would make it much more interesting as it groups everyone together. I suggest doing it at least one race; and racers can't complain much if they know about the rules, so just give them plenty of warning before that race, remind them of the rules before the start and they will handle it. Besides there are a few people who voted yes, just an hour ago it was a 50/50 poll.

I understand. However, part of the nail biting experience of stock car racing is not knowing when the caution will come out.

In the mid race when people need to pit at least once, there will be some people who desperately need a caution and those who do not (such as the leaders). It's a very tense time during the pit stop window as the tide can quickly swing and a CC would ruin that atmosphere. Besides, if a regular caution does come out then that will facilitate a crammed pit road as it is the competitor's best intention to pit under cautions.

I know I kinda went back on myself here. But this was kinda a poll to see if people would want it. if the majority voted yes a week before the season start then i'll implement it. But viewing from the general consensus among oval racers (so far), it doesn't seem likely that this is a good feature.

As for the all star race the format is not decided yet.