Test Patch Y18 - Licensed Demo System

[renchix]

And this patch is better than default Y ? :scratchch:smileypul

[TRM.13]

Para "sprint75-dominico"

A partir de este parche, todos los servers S2 o S1 que esten configurados de forma compatible con la DEMO (BL y los 3 coches admitidos) estaran abiertos tambien para los corredores DEMO.

Tendras que pedir un password en LFS.net para poder jugar a partir de ahora

[sprint75-dominico]

Para "sprint75-dominico"

A partir de este parche, todos los servers S2 o S1 que esten configurados de forma compatible con la DEMO (BL y los 3 coches admitidos) estaran abiertos tambien para los corredores DEMO.

Tendras que pedir un password en LFS.net para poder jugar a partir de ahora


muchas gracias, que tu respuesta :thumb: nos vemos en las pistas

[dougie-lampkin]

I've just noticed, the AI go haywire at AS1. I don't think it did this in Y, but I'm not sure...Here's a replay of a 2 lap single player race. After the race, some of the AI don't enter a pit garage, but keep driving through the pitlane, and then keep going around the track. Some of them pitted in the first stalls, and some just epically crashed :shrug:

[mkinnov8]

Its not just AS1, and its been since Y when the AI were reworked. AI's occasionally fight over pit boxes, will get mixed up and then exit the pitlane. Shortly afterwards they will stop as they "fall out" of the physics engine to reduce the cpu load, thus increasing frame rate for others.

Its known, im sure, and also (without reading 8 previous pages) not within the current Ywhatever focus)?

[nesrulz]

Why AI drivers have my (private-team) helmet skin?

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6494/64022351xq6.png

[ACCAkut]

The AI has big problems especially on the reversed tracks, they seem to take the path from the normal direction circuit, resulting in chaos.

[garph]

Why AI drivers have my (private-team) helmet skin?

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6494/64022351xq6.png
Because that applies to the car skins. AI have always used the player helmet, this patch hasn't done it, it's just that you've noticed it now.

[nesrulz]

Yes, but i use helmet with my name...
We need option for this, ok? :)

Or, AI use only default helmets from LFS...

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1649/75326872tf6.png

[Flame CZE]

Hi Scawen, you told that my name is in the credits. I still cannot find it there. Did I understand you well? Or is my name elsewhere?

[Kid222]

Hi Scawen, you told that my name is in the credits. I still cannot find it there. Did I understand you well? Or is my name elsewhere?
Patience, it will be probably in next (test) patch. ;)

[SpaceMarineITA]

They are kicked instantly, with a pop-up dialog informing them "Host is Live for Speed S2".

This message won't come up in all cases if they are connected to an old host, in that case the message sometimes just appears as the last message in the message log.

This can be ok for demo users, but why not allowing S1 users watching S2 races?
There would be an encryption problem there too?



Originally Posted by Flame CZE http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=780489#post780489)
Hi Scawen, you told that my name is in the credits. I still cannot find it there. Did I understand you well? Or is my name elsewhere?

Patience, it will be probably in next (test) patch. ;)Why should your name be there? :scratchch

[Scawen]

Hi Scawen, you told that my name is in the credits. I still cannot find it there. Did I understand you well? Or is my name elsewhere?Yes, it's in the Y18 credits. That is, if your name in your LFS user record is correct.

TIP : press SHIFT to make the credits move fast, then press CTRL to stop the credits when all the translators are on the screen. Then you don't have to read moving credits.

This can be ok for demo users, but why not allowing S1 users watching S2 races?
There would be an encryption problem there too?Yes, S1 users do not have the decryption information for S2 content.

What you are suggesting is something different, for less licensed people to be able to see the content of more licensed people.

It's something different from what this patch does. If it will ever be done (probably not) it won't be done any time soon.

[Flame CZE]

Yes, it's in the Y18 credits. That is, if your name in your LFS user record is correct.

TIP : press SHIFT to make the credits move fast, then press CTRL to stop the credits when all the translators are on the screen. Then you don't have to read moving credits.


Thanks! The tip with stopping the text is good, i didnt know that before :) yes I already can see my name there :thumb:

[matze54564]

I guess Anti Aliasing works not for the small window in FBM, but AA and AF are nice features.

[Mischa NED]

I didn't see if someone posted it already, but have there been reports or does anybody know the problem that in Y18 insim is much slower?

My insim app feels much slower in Y18 than in earlier patches. Especially when I send a lot of buttons at once, they appear like two / second so now and then (on local network!!).

If i try the same on an Y14 installation it runs just smoothly (same server, same config, same insim).

If you want i could make a test app to show the differences..

[Update 02-05] I tried several versions and earlier insim versions like Y14 and lower had this problem too (strange that my first tests showed a big difference though). I was running Windows 2003 server on my LFS server, but after installing Windows XP the lags are gone. I have no idea if this has to do with LFS, my app, the operating system... or maybe the .net version I installed, but the difference was huge! I'll keep it with XP until I find out what the reason was ;)

[dougie-lampkin]

I didn't try anything between Y and Y18, but I can't notice any different in my InSim apps' buttons between Y and Y18...maybe your PC is slower due to AA/AF??

[PaulH]

Some of the walls in South City are still not detecting collisions when Hot lapping. Some walls detect minor scrapes, others don't detect even high speed collisions.

So far I've tried both SO sprint 1 and 2 and both reversed.

Cheers.

[chanoman315]

With Y18 sometimes i get pauses, of half a second, i didnt have them when Y. Everything normal, everything at low in graphics, as my pc is a little bit slow.

[shiny_red_cobra]

Some of the walls in South City are still not detecting collisions when Hot lapping. Some walls detect minor scrapes, others don't detect even high speed collisions.

So far I've tried both SO sprint 1 and 2 and both reversed.

Cheers.

I agree. Some of the walls don't give invalid hotlaps anymore. The wall after the 1st corner on SO sprint 1 is a good example. In the past it gave me invalid hotlaps even if i scraped it. Now even if I hit it hard it still won't give me an invalid lap.

[Scawen]

I agree. Some of the walls don't give invalid hotlaps anymore. The wall after the 1st corner on SO sprint 1 is a good example. In the past it gave me invalid hotlaps even if i scraped it. Now even if I hit it hard it still won't give me an invalid lap.Could you post a hotlap replay example? This sounds completely wrong as it was Y which allowed wall hitting. These test patches include an extra wall type to make sure that hot laps are invalidated.

If you can provide full information, like which version does invalidate these laps and which version does not, that would be helpful. "In the past"... I don't really know which version you mean.

[[GR]Evolution]

Could you post a hotlap replay example? This sounds completely wrong as it was Y which allowed wall hitting. These test patches include an extra wall type to make sure that hot laps are invalidated.

If you can provide full information, like which version does invalidate these laps and which version does not, that would be helpful. "In the past"... I don't really know which version you mean.
Here's a replay of my WR (RAC/SO3). It's patch Y15 I think... I also have no clue about before patch Y as I started doing hotlaps after it.

[JoRuss]

Hi there...

I'd like to point out that demo player with admin rights on s1/s2 host with demo compatibile setup has the ability to edit layout (for a short period at least, as he get's kicked off the server - as well as all demo players connected - after placing an object, and host falls to S1 mode) I guess that's unwanted feature (that layout editing I mean) :-)

[dawesdust_12]

That's actually a bit funny, the demo user being able to kick himself by being an admin, and then locking himself out too.

[Gekkibi]

That's actually a bit funny, the demo user being able to kick himself by being an admin, and then locking himself out too.

Just like it should (It is just like this on S2 servers). If he wants to unban himself, he should use ban-list editor.

[dawesdust_12]

Yeah, the problem with it is that it gives a demo user (an admin), in a S1/S2 server the ability to get to said layout editor, but as soon as he does any objects, he instantly gets booted as would any other demo drivers.

[zsmy]

the main idea is good , but at moment the problem is that most demodiver not use the Y18 patch ore removed it ,
may of reason that not enaught racers , ore fear about final longtime Ban .
at moment i must say are the servers who contain demo settings are mostly empty

[Gekkibi]

the main idea is good , but at moment the problem is that most demodiver not use the Y18 patch ore removed it ,
may of reason that not enaught racers , ore fear about final longtime Ban .
at moment i must say are the servers who contain demo settings are mostly empty


Maybe now, but when this feature comes to the next "official" patch (Or whatever it is called. "Z"?), they have no choice if they would want to have other features as well.

[dougie-lampkin]

At Z, all previous versions should be locked from connecting the master server. Everybody should be on the same patch...It's really just demo driftorz who are still using old patches because they want the XRT...which IMO is cheating and shouldn't be allowed :shrug:

[dev]

At Z, all previous versions should be locked from connecting the master server. Everybody should be on the same patch...It's really just demo driftorz who are still using old patches because they want the XRT...which IMO is cheating and shouldn't be allowed :shrug:
I agree :nod:

[geeman1]

At Z, all previous versions should be locked from connecting the master server. Everybody should be on the same patch...It's really just demo driftorz who are still using old patches because they want the XRT...which IMO is cheating and shouldn't be allowed :shrug:Let them have their fun. It's a small minority anyway..
X : 31 demo hosts, 16 occupied
Y : 170 demo hosts, 48 occupied
Y18 : 39 demo hosts, 3 occupied

[NotAnIllusion]

At Z, all previous versions should be locked from connecting the master server. Everybody should be on the same patch...It's really just demo driftorz who are still using old patches because they want the XRT...which IMO is cheating and shouldn't be allowed :shrug:
Would you rather they did their worst to drift the FBM on race servers instead? It'll no doubt end in tears on some servers if you force people to race, when in fact, they do not want to do so.

[faster111]

At Z, all previous versions should be locked from connecting the master server. Everybody should be on the same patch...It's really just demo driftorz who are still using old patches because they want the XRT...which IMO is cheating and shouldn't be allowed :shrug:


I agree with you on this post.

[ACCAkut]

just noticed, you can now actually kill the engine (at least in FXR) by overreving...nice (tank was full, " i " couldn't restart)

[dougie-lampkin]

Would you rather they did their worst to drift the FBM on race servers instead? It'll no doubt end in tears on some servers if you force people to race, when in fact, they do not want to do so.

No-one would be forced to race. The XRG can still be drifted perfectly fine. By using a previous patch you are cheating the system to be able to use the XRT.

I agree it's a small amount of users, but there should be zero-tolerance on this...Those people who are using X most likely have no intentions of buying LFS as they have what they want in X. Whether they buy S2, continue with Z demo, or leave after X is locked makes no difference.

[chanoman315]

dumb Ai... ¿?

End of lap 4

[NotAnIllusion]

No-one would be forced to race. The XRG can still be drifted perfectly fine. By using a previous patch you are cheating the system to be able to use the XRT.

I agree it's a small amount of users, but there should be zero-tolerance on this...Those people who are using X most likely have no intentions of buying LFS as they have what they want in X. Whether they buy S2, continue with Z demo, or leave after X is locked makes no difference.
That's just a made-up rule. The implications of (still) allowing older versions to use the master server are probably quite clear to the devs. Until they decide against it, it's not cheating. Tbh, Blackwood is just too fast and wide to drift the xrg on, imo.

[dougie-lampkin]

I'm sure the devs know about it, but patch Z would be an ideal opportunity to do this...
Besides, you can still keep a copy of X for offline use to show off all your (lack of) driftorz skills. Just like nearly everyone has an old V-ish patch for tweaking :shrug:

[aroX123]

dumb Ai... ¿?

End of lap 4
Hahaha

[Reese]

I don't know if this is a known bug but yesterday I noticed this little "graphic Bug".
If you drive the FOX you can't see the Dust through your little windscreen, I've noticed this in patch Y and Y18.
Look at the attached Screenshots, my englisch skills aren't very good ;-)

MfG Reese

[aroX123]

I don't know if this is a known bug but yesterday I noticed this little "graphic Bug".
If you drive the FOX you can't see the Dust through your little windscreen, I've noticed this in patch Y and Y18.
Look at the attached Screenshots, my englisch skills aren't very good ;-)

MfG Reese
U cant see the smoke when behind fences to.

[geeman1]

I don't know if this is a known bug but..It's an old "bug".

[LiveForBoobs]

is this a bug?

[mrodgers]

is this a bug?
No, if you zoom in, you can clearly see that it's not a bug, but one of the open wheel cars....

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b74/NightHawk83/Gaming/Live%20For%20Speed/Bug.jpg


.....sorry, just tossing a little humour out there.....

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Nope... the black line is a hidden track.

Anyway, whats up on the testpatch-front. Its quiet. Scawen just enjoying his new-born, or working on a new major update?

[-V-Max-]

Nope... the black line is a hidden track.

Anyway, whats up on the testpatch-front. Its quiet. Scawen just enjoying his new-born, or working on a new major update?


I'm sure he's sunbathing outside. Somebody donate a laptop and wifi, work will get done!

[AndroidXP]

is this a bug?
That's a Z-buffering issue, though it's not really a bug and nothing that can be simply fixed.

[LiveForBoobs]

That's a Z-buffering issue, though it's not really a bug and nothing that can be simply fixed.

ty for answering.

[detail]

A bug: wrong codepage in tracks list (cyrillic shown as ISO codepage)

[alxf1]

For one hour race it was showing 191 Laps instead of 1hour... seen that yesterday evening when trying to see who's racing on some spanish private servers.... see attachment to understand where's that bug :)

[mcgas001]

I have also just seen a weird bug in the hosts list. See pic, Theres 2 of one server, I clicked the "?" and both of them lit up.:shrug:

[STC] Kyoto Cruise

[niall09]

For one hour race it was showing 191 Laps instead of 1hour... seen that yesterday evening when trying to see who's racing on some spanish private servers.... see attachment to understand where's that bug :)

Yup, thats happened me too.

[Sir moi 407]

Hello,
I don't know if you call that a "bug" but when you do a 2hours race with AIs in Aston National for example, they forget to pit and put some fuell in their cars... Ok that's not really important but at least now you know that :thumb:
PS: Sorry for my horrible english :(

[Crady]

This one should have been fixed:

FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim

But when starting InSim OutGauge Mode 1 is set back to OutGauge Mode 0...

or a complete Configuration for an OutGauge Mode 1 is deleted from cfg.txt... (When having Mode0 and Mode1 Config)...

[mbutcher]

Nice!

[Crady]

This one should have been fixed:

FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim

But when starting InSim OutGauge Mode 1 is set back to OutGauge Mode 0...

or a complete Configuration for an OutGauge Mode 1 is deleted from cfg.txt... (When having Mode0 and Mode1 Config)...


Ok, when you have finished editing your cfg.txt, write - protect ist and start LFS with "/insim=xxxxx" parameter... so it works for me!

(xxxxx is the port)

[kiss me]

I have also just seen a weird bug in the hosts list. See pic, Theres 2 of one server, I clicked the "?" and both of them lit up.:shrug:

[STC] Kyoto Cruise

i had this too, strangly it was my server that showed up twice

[pliktro]

With patch Y18 you cannot see DEMO host`s why not?
I read that as S2 user you can see and join DEMO,S1 and S2 hosts.
Even there is no button in multiplayer menu to switch to demo user.:scratchch
Can some one tell me why?

[geeman1]

The demo servers are right in the mix in the list. The servers are not differentiated like that anymore. All servers are the same now. If your license meets the car/track/slot requirement of the server you can join.

[pliktro]

But i cannot see the demo servers i joined before.There are 2-3 of them.

[SpikeyMarcoD]

Because they probably on Y instead of Y18.

[pliktro]

I see thank you Guy`s for the reply.!!:thumb:

[balee]

I always get dropped to desktop when returning from multiplayer to main menu, and LFS says 'Closing 1 connect...'

Is it LFS related?

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

We had a strange bug tonight. I started a host that meets the requirements of a demo host. There were 3 of us on the server: baralaca(demo,Y18), SirKacsa(S2,Y), _--NZ--_[HUN](S2,Y18). After a practice session I've set five laps with /laps=5 then pressed shift-r. The race started and I didn't see the others at all, baralaca and Sirkacsa didn't see each other but they did see me in the race. This happened two times. Here are the replays from the second "race". I only have my own replay from the first race, I've attached it too (y18_bug_0.mpr).

[aroX123]

Looks like a very laggy server

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

Looks like a very laggy server

It didn't look like lag and we were on Ventrilo at that time and talked to each other continously so we should have noticed any major lag. If it was lag then we should have at least seen lag meters at the last known location of the cars. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Scawen]

A bug: wrong codepage in tracks list (cyrillic shown as ISO codepage)I'm not sure how to fix this...

I assume to reproduce this, you load a music track with a cyrillic filename - is that right?

In that case this explains the problem, LFS doesn't know if a filename is Cyrillic or Latin (because it is not prefixed with ^C as for example an LFS player name would be). I'm not sure, maybe there is a way to find out from Windows...

[detail]

Scawen, no, it's not a file, it's an empty slot in a new blank channel. it's just "track 1" that links to no file yet.

[Scawen]

;799234']We had a strange bug tonight. I started a host that meets the requirements of a demo host. There were 3 of us on the server: baralaca(demo,Y18), SirKacsa(S2,Y), _--NZ--_[HUN](S2,Y18). After a practice session I've set five laps with /laps=5 then pressed shift-r. The race started and I didn't see the others at all, baralaca and Sirkacsa didn't see each other but they did see me in the race. This happened two times. Here are the replays from the second "race". I only have my own replay from the first race, I've attached it too (y18_bug_0.mpr).It sounds like your host was not receiving UDP packets from the guests. Your host was successfully sending UDP position packets to the guests so they could see you, but it was not receiving them so you could not see the guests and they could not see each other.

Possibly the router was not set to forward UDP packets to your host computer?

[Scawen]

Scawen, no, it's not a file, it's an empty slot in a new blank channel. it's just "track 1" that links to no file yet.OK, thanks, reproduced it now - I don't know why I couldn't before.

Now fixed so it says Track in Cyrillic - looks a bit like "TP3K" :)

[Scawen]

This one should have been fixed:

FIX : OutGauge and OutSim are no longer closed by starting InSim

But when starting InSim OutGauge Mode 1 is set back to OutGauge Mode 0...

or a complete Configuration for an OutGauge Mode 1 is deleted from cfg.txt... (When having Mode0 and Mode1 Config)...I can't reproduce this.

The code looks quite simple too - I can't see how it could go wrong.

If OutGauge Mode is 1 or 2 then InSim will refuse to change it in any way. It should just give a message :

"OutGuage : already enabled by cfg.txt"

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

It sounds like your host was not receiving UDP packets from the guests. Your host was successfully sending UDP position packets to the guests so they could see you, but it was not receiving them so you could not see the guests and they could not see each other.

Possibly the router was not set to forward UDP packets to your host computer?

I don't have a router ATM, only a software firewall but we played without any problems earlier that day so I don't think it was an error on my side.

[wien]

;799787']I don't have a router ATM, only a software firewall but we played without any problems earlier that day so I don't think it was an error on my side.Is this a WINE-based (Linux) server by any chance? I've seen something very similar happen due to a problem with WINE.

[Scawen]

Well I have to say I am more than 99% certain that is a problem with the firewall, not LFS.

That is just the kind of thing that can sometimes happen with UDP packets, due to routers or firewalls, and it's not LFS's fault when suddenly UDP packets do not arrive.

For example, if you exited LFS and restarted it, it might still not have worked, but then if you restarted the computer everything would probably work again.

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

@wien: I started the host from LFS multiplayer mode.
It would be pretty strange from the firewall to allow the packets normally for an hour or so and then suddenly block them. I had the firewall on a relatively low security mode yesterday anyway and it never blocked LFS traffic for 3 or more years now.

I remembered incorrectly, we had a race after the practice session and after the restart the problem occured two times.
Edit: Is there a way to see what caused the error from the replays?

[Scawen]

;799809']It would be pretty strange from the firewall to allow the packets normally for an hour or so and then suddenly block them.Strange yes - but routers and firewalls do strange things.

;799809']Edit: Is there a way to see what caused the error from the replays?From LFS's viewpoint it's simple. UDP packets arrived and then they did not arrive. Other than that I don't think you can judge anything from the replay. I won't give this any attention or consider this an LFS bug because it is so rare, and there are hundreds of servers running for months without this happening, and we have heard of this kind of thing happening due to windows emulators, routers and firewalls.

[_--NZ--_[HUN]]

Strange yes - but routers and firewalls do strange things.

From LFS's viewpoint it's simple. UDP packets arrived and then they did not arrive. Other than that I don't think you can judge anything from the replay. I won't give this any attention or consider this an LFS bug because it is so rare, and there are hundreds of servers running for months without this happening, and we have heard of this kind of thing happening due to windows emulators, routers and firewalls.

OK, thank you for your time, I'll report back if I find any easily reproducable errors.
(edit: if you have a little free time you could try my sound pack:))

[Scawen]

New test patch Y19.
Various fixes and improvements.
New replay controls.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=43107

Thanks for the testing! :)