automatic gear change suggestion [Archive]

abz1

3rd January 2006, 13:10

This just makes it a whole lot easier when your starting the game for a "kid", or maybe even a first time racer.

1. If the car is set to automatic gear change, we should have it so it automatically goes into 1st gear from Neutral

2. When restarting the car the car should start in 1st gear not Neutral.

3. When the brake is held and the rpm is 0 then the car should automatic reverse.

If you think the automatic gear change should be left as it is, i still think there should be another option beside manual and automatic in the menu.

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please note, this suggestion isnt really for you hardcore gamers but as a "kid/child mode" option.

Jakg

3rd January 2006, 13:29

This just makes it a whole lot easier when your starting the game for a "kid", or maybe even a first time racer.

1. If the car is set to automatic gear change, we should have it so it automatically goes into 1st gear from Neutral

2. When restarting the car the car should start in 1st gear not Neutral.

3. When the brake is held and the rpm is 0 then the car should automatic reverse.

If you think the automatic gear change should be left as it is, i still think there should be another option beside manual and automatic in the menu.1. no, what if you want to rev it?
2. Sounds ok
3. God no!

axus

3rd January 2006, 14:01

1. no, what if you want to rev it?
2. Sounds ok
3. God no!

1, 2. What if you want to rev your car when you get off the line to get a decent start...
3. What if you park on a hill for whatever reason...

All these suggestions would do more harm than good.

ajp71

3rd January 2006, 14:12

The car is never going to be parked with the brake on and 0 rpm unless you stall it :pillepall

I couldn't really care what the automatic is like in LFS, just that shift + G shortcut is bloody annoying when you press it by mistake.

abz1

3rd January 2006, 14:14

please note, this suggestion isnt really for you hardcore gamers but as a "kid/child mode" option.

MadCatX

3rd January 2006, 14:18

What if you want to rev it? -> Depress the clutch;)

3. NOOOO!!! That's how it is in NFs series and it really stupid....
Even kids have to learn how to shift reverse....

please note, this suggestion isnt really for you hardcore gamers but as a "kid/child mode" option.

LFS doesn't look like kid/child game....

axus

3rd January 2006, 14:43

You could assign some macros as shift buttons to reverse (except children don't know how macros work...)

ScarySquirrel

3rd January 2006, 15:08

This just makes it a whole lot easier when your starting the game for a "kid", or maybe even a first time racer.

1. If the car is set to automatic gear change, we should have it so it automatically goes into 1st gear from Neutral

2. When restarting the car the car should start in 1st gear not Neutral.

3. When the brake is held and the rpm is 0 then the car should automatic reverse.

If you think the automatic gear change should be left as it is, i still think there should be another option beside manual and automatic in the menu.

1 - as others said i like revving the engine so a no to that

2 - again no

3 - :O no no no, not for me!

SparkyDave

3rd January 2006, 15:56

I think the OP has a good point for in his words a "child mode" both my girls (6 and 5 ) love playing LFS (offline) although I dont let them use my wheel anymore ;) after a few times of " dad i pressed shift R and it wont move " I can see exactly where this would be useful , so maybe a "junior" mode wouldn't be such a bad thing.

SD.

Bob Smith

3rd January 2006, 16:22

1 and 2 are ok, but please, not 3.

cgrassham

3rd January 2006, 17:22

Even Gran Turismo has a seperate button for reverse, I'm sure beginners pick that up easy.

pd kid

3rd January 2006, 19:22

the revs never go to zero in a automatic it just roles to stop it u need to have ur foot on the brake and for forward netrail park and reverse

abz1

3rd January 2006, 19:26

oh right so rpms never go to 0, but you all know what i meant.

can this be moved to suggestion lounge dont know how it got in beginners.

ajp71

3rd January 2006, 19:44

Seriously I could understand if all of these were made optional for begineers. Most who are going to race seriously will be using a manual anyway, I wouldn't complain if automatic was banned online as well, seeing as one will never get such fine control out of an automatic and frankly most of those who actually race with it are likely to be a big danger, though I guess those who use it will be demo and it's bloody annoying that G is next to F on the keyboard, stupid idiot who invented the QWERTY keyboard and an even dummer idiot must have invented the alphabet which inspired the keyboard :)

geeman1

3rd January 2006, 21:54

No!

If you can't put the car to first gear or reverse, maybe you should go play with toys.

mrodgers

3rd January 2006, 22:22

3. NOOOO!!! That's how it is in NFs series and it really stupid....
Even kids have to learn how to shift reverse....
My 5 yr old daughter has been playing S1 GTi on Blackwood since she was 4 and the first thing I taught her was how to reverse as I figured she'd need it alot, LOL. She uses the automatic so far.

Impreza WRX

4th January 2006, 03:40

1: No, unless you mean the start lights
2: Not a good idea unless it is an option
3: Auto-Reverse = vewy vewy bad

I would teach your kids how to change gears, as this would be useful later in life. Get 'em started early... ;)

durbster

4th January 2006, 08:53

Kids are better than adults at picking up complicated cognotive systems. All you have to do is tell them, and they'll almost certainly remember for next time.

I'm sure GPL used to give you a little text hint if you were sat still for an unusually long time (just a little message that popped up - 'press F1 for help'). Something like that would be enough.

Pablo.CZ

4th January 2006, 09:33

3. When the brake is held and the rpm is 0 then the car should automatic reverse.
:shrug:
dunno how this should work (example with pedals):
im going forward, braking, stop, then car automatic reverse and what? should i pressed brake to go backward? or release brake and press gas?
first option: how to brake then when "brake is gas"? go with brake and brake with gas? in simulator? :pillepall
second: how to go forward? manually change to 1st? purpose was not to must change gears manually, wasnt it?

1,2,3 -> NO

sorry for my english

Madman_CZ

4th January 2006, 09:47

interesting ideas there... but i have to say no to all

they just arent needed really... anyone who considers playing lfs should have some basic knowledge how to drive atleast. Shifting manually into gear 1 at ths start when in automatic is no biggie...

as for your 3rd point... you are talking about the automatic reverse arcade games have. Ie need for speeed, when u are going forward at speed and press brake the car slows down, if you still press brake when car comes to a stop then it reverses. I think this does not need to be implemented into lfs. a maunal gear change into reverse will do for me :D

mad

MadCatX

4th January 2006, 10:02

Making a reverse on brake pedal isn't impossible. In NFS:U series it is done and it works(a little:)). If you're braking from nonzero forward speed, you'll only stop.... Once you have stopped, you can release the brake and press it again to do the reverse....

The better solution than "brake reverser" can be a reverse toggle button(Viper Racing has this). Just when you hold the button down, gearbox shifts the reverse, when you release it, it shifts back to N. It seems to me much better than revese on brake, because it can cause a silly situatons like following: "In NFS:U I shifted manually to R and pressed the throttle. Car started to move backwards. I released the throttle and after a while I pressed the brake to stop.... What the world, where are you going, baby?????????:)"

XCNuse

4th January 2006, 10:11

?!?!? you still have to shift into drive and reverse and neutral in a real car.. even WITH automatic transmission...

..why?

Racer Y

4th January 2006, 14:18

Reverse on the brake pedal? Ew no way! I don't know about NFS but I've operated electric fork lifts that do that.... you don't want that in this game.

Personally, I'd like to see an automatic trannie set up that was more
comparable to real life. The auto trannie in the game ain't quite the same.
LOL the only driving games I can think of where the the auto transmission is most realistic is GTA and...and... That London one... the getaway.
In all the other games I've played, the auto drive feels more like driving a standard, yet having the passenger shift the gears when they felt like it.

Nick_ll

4th January 2006, 17:49

- Real auto transmissions stay on their "1st gear" when on [D], even when the car stands still.
- With real auto transmissions there is a [N] (neutral) position that exists. I guess it's there for a reason, like reving if you want it.
- Real auto transmissions have a [R] position, whereas R stands for "reverse". I will make a guess that it's there for a good reason and that there is also a good reason for the reverse not to engage automatically when the brakes are pressed....

- LFS wants to simulate reality
- LFS should:
A. simulate a real auto transmission (only suggestion about auto that should exist in this forum)
B. scrap the whole concept of auto, even as an assist. Either we get the real thing simulated or we get only manual and manual sequential gearbox.

deggis

4th January 2006, 18:28

Stupidest improvement suggestion I've ever heard. :pillepall

marsden1002

4th January 2006, 20:17

wheel4hummer

4th January 2006, 20:56

Hyperactive

4th January 2006, 22:02

Is it useful to use loads of time on automatic transmission when everybody agrees that manual transmission is the way to go? It's faster, easier, more predictable and rewarding. When I had my pedals fixed I had to use mouse and keyboard and using the manual box was still easy and way better than the auto, even with the improvements mentiened here.

WTF people? :pillepall

I am just so against this...

Racer Y

5th January 2006, 03:38

I think we need full auto transmission simulation. Meaning, you have to press on the brake to go from "P"/Park to "D"/Drive. Also, DO NOT rev in neutral, and then slam it into drive. I guarantee that it will decrease the life of an automatic transmission.

LOL I went to schoolwith this guy who did that. He called it "The Ultimate Weapon" lol. He'd rev the car up as far as it would go in Nuetral, then slam it into drive. THe car lurched and screamed and burned rubber all the way down the block! Then one day that car made this funky noise and could only travel in reverse :)

Vendetta

5th January 2006, 03:42

Its always better just to teach them. Knowledge is power.

Impreza WRX

5th January 2006, 04:36

LOL I went to schoolwith this guy who did that. He called it "The Ultimate Weapon" lol. He'd rev the car up as far as it would go in Nuetral, then slam it into drive. THe car lurched and screamed and burned rubber all the way down the block! Then one day that car made this funky noise and could only travel in reverse :)
Must have blown the planetary gear set. That's a bad thing to blow, since it puts the engine torque to the forward gears. Glad I've got a Honda Civic, the auto transmission is well near indestructible.

pd kid

5th January 2006, 19:13

I think the neutral is for when you are in a trafic jam stuck for a while put it in neutral in stead of halving your foot on the brake
1 is it stay in first gear best for icy roads
2 dont no
3 dont no
the over drive button on the gear stick is the fourth gear
and drive for all gears
half on the subject does any other cars have a magic button uder the throttle when it is pushed it goes down a gear and your off like a rocket :]best for over taking
we have a relault espase
the car wont start if it is not in park