More BL Rally tracks without any more modelling

[axus]

I was driving Blackwood rally earlier and I was thinking that 4 more tracks could be made using the rally sections without any extra modelling. 2 of the configurations would not have pit lanes but that's not such a problem - we already have such tracks in the form of South City Sprint Tracks 1 and 2. I have attached 4 pics showing the layouts and they look like they will have some interesting corners. Demo users would also benefit from some extra content... I'm not sure if everyone will agree that is a good thing though...

[Lible]

1. Picture: Nope, too much asphalt
2. Picture: Same as 1.
3. Picture: :thumb: BL RallyX Green
4. Picture: Same as 3.

[mmckowen]

I must say that i am very impressed with the thought of these types of tracks. If the is a vote to see if we want the tracks or not you have my word.:scratchch

[Bob Smith]

3 is the only one that looks reasonable to me.

[sinbad]

3 is the only one that looks reasonable to me.

Agreed, but even then the jump would need to be made smaller. Cars would be going very fast over it with no hairpin to take just before/after.

[W1LLSD4D]

3 is the only one that looks reasonable to me.

I'd agree with that - Option 3 looks most promising :thumb:

[Vain]

I'd also say three.

Vain

[SparkyDave]

3 looks great ;)

SD.

[herki]

yeah, 3 is nice :)

(it's sprint, not spirit :x)

[ajp71]

Agreed, but even then the jump would need to be made smaller. Cars would be going very fast over it with no hairpin to take just before/after.

You'd just have to slow for the jump. I personally like all of them, yes they are long tracks with a lot of tarmac, it would create more skillful setup and compromise between different driving skills, they'd be more demanding tracks, but that is a good thing IMO.

[Fonnybone]

3 and 4 have no provision for pits, they WOULD require extra modelling.
As for 1 and 2, ya sure we could do that, but i don't think it'll be used
much once the 'new' factor wears out. It'll mostly please the demo
users who only have Blackwood.

I'd rather have 'open' tracks where the layout editor would be used to
design the course. :schwitz:

[Vendetta]

Id rather have an all dirt rally course, point to point. If i cant have that though, 3 looks the best ;) No pits needed in rallycross.

[tristancliffe]

Where would the cars start?

Edit: Start practice/leaving the garage I mean

[axus]

Where would the cars start?

Edit: Start practice/leaving the garage I mean

That would be the only extra modelling needed for 3 and 4... A starting grid. The 'pits' can be to the side somewhere like they are in South City Sprint tracks, without any refueling/tyre changes...

[sinbad]

You'd just have to slow for the jump.

I've never seen a rallyx course where the cars need to slow down to take a jump. It just doesn't make sense to have a jump like that on a race track. Hardly adds to the spectacle when you see 4 cars doing 100mph approaching a jump slow to about 50mph because they don't want to damage their cars.

Of course, if you know a rallyx track with a jump like that, I'll eat this post :)

[ajp71]

^^ Maybe not a rallycross course, but there are plenty of crests one has to slow for IRL in both circuit racing and rallying.

[sinbad]

^^ Maybe not a rallycross course, but there are plenty of crests one has to slow for IRL in both circuit racing and rallying.

Rallying is obviously a totally different thing.

You know of a tarmac circuit with a crest/jump that cars have to slow for because if they do not they will jump too high and damage their cars? (i.e and not because of a corner after it).

Please tell me which circuit is like that.

[axus]

The Nurburgring.... there is this one jump that is quite dangerous. Yes, pratially because of the corner after it, but even if it wasn't there, you could damage your car going over it too fast. Don't know what its called though...

[Vain]

What you speak about is the Schwedenkreuz, but it's only dangerous when you try to go over it while cornering (hello? who does that?!?) or when you can't stabilize the car before the next corner to the Fuchsröhre.
Any car can take it full throttle. Even the fastest cars like the Alzen Porsche.

Vain

[sinbad]

The Nurburgring.... there is this one jump that is quite dangerous. Yes, pratially because of the corner after it, but even if it wasn't there, you could damage your car going over it too fast. Don't know what its called though...

The Flugplatz? Hardly the same thing. Cars fast enough to leave the ground there brake for it because they want to be on the ground for the corner after it.

[Michel 4AGE]

What you speak about is the Schwedenkreuz, but it's only dangerous when you try to go over it while cornering (hello? who does that?!?) or when you can't stabilize the car before the next corner to the Fuchsröhre.
Any car can take it full throttle. Even the fastest cars like the Alzen Porsche.

Vain

Schwedenkreuz full throttle, any car? hahahaha ! In GT4 perhaps yes. You're German, you should know how many ppl lost their lives there.

[Vain]

"Can".

Vain

[5th Earth]

I don't think the high-tarmac rallyx courses are necessarily a bad thing. It would be an interesting compromise to see whether it's worth it to brave the dirt sections with road tires, or whether hybrids are still necessary.

Still, as mentioned #3 looks best.

[McAzerty]

Typical Me: Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood idea !

[ajp71]

On a side note could we have a chicanless BL GP variant, never really liked the chicane, just seems to break the flow of the track.

[Hatemaker]

Good idea, and good thinking about the tire choice stratagy. It'll definately make you think more before you just go out and race... "Hmm, do I wanna just go out and race with hybrids... and not have enough traction on the tarmac, or do I wanna go out with road tires, and not get as much traction on the dirt? Decisions, decisions..."

Oh, and about that crest on the 'ring... I've gone over it in a Porsche 911 Turbo S at about 140 mph... scared the shit outta me..... I brake for it now...

[axus]

Hybrids have plenty grip on tramac - probably as much as road supers. They are very soft... the question is weather they would overheat with all the tarmac.

[ajp71]

If there was an option for cut slicks the FXR could probably be used for rallycross with limited suspension modification (assuming structural rigidity isn't simulated anyday soon) and it'd be much closer to real rallycross cars than any of the current cars.

[Fonnybone]

Moved to Improvement Suggestions forum.

[SoloNijN]

I've never seen a rallyx course where the cars need to slow down to take a jump. It just doesn't make sense to have a jump like that on a race track. Hardly adds to the spectacle when you see 4 cars doing 100mph approaching a jump slow to about 50mph because they don't want to damage their cars.

Of course, if you know a rallyx track with a jump like that, I'll eat this post :)

Yea, i know this kind of track...

Go play Richard burns Rally, Australia, and the "Mine" track or something like that.

http://www.rallypro.com.au/photogallery/roc04/roc03-mineshaft1t.jpg

There is this massive jump where you would definitely crash your car of you would speed over it with +50 kmh.

So, how would you like your hat?

[Lible]

Its named Mineshaft!!! Just like on your picture.

[Don]

that is rally, not rallycross

[sinbad]

Yea, i know this kind of track...

Go play Richard burns Rally, Australia, and the "Mine" track or something like that.

http://www.rallypro.com.au/photogallery/roc04/roc03-mineshaft1t.jpg

There is this massive jump where you would definitely crash your car of you would speed over it with +50 kmh.

So, how would you like your hat?

Bravo. :thumb:

[axus]

Its named Mineshaft!!! Just like on your picture.

The mineshaft is a straight on Kyalami where you pick up a lot of speed and go into a tight corner at the bottom - it could also be the name of some other part of some other track I guess...

Don, still, there is no harm in having an out-of-the-ordinary rallycross track. It could create some interesting races and hotlapping on it will certainly be quite intense.

[ORION]

I'd vote for BL rallycross PINK and keep the jump ;)

[NaBUru38]

One idea is to make fast gravel tracks, something like an Ouninpohjla loop, with 130km/h corners and 200km/h straights (did I mention huge jumps?).

Another one is to make extra-slow tarmac circuits, with 50km/h corners and 150km/h tops. Like the Tour de Corse, but much wider. This track can also have a gravel loop and a mud loop, so you could choose a single surface alternative or a mixed surface one.

(Where is it... fkng Paint!...)

This is a demo - the corners don't have to be exactly like this.

[Eldanor]

+1:thumb:

[tinvek]

must admit i dont do much rally x so probably not best to comment on this but the one thing that did hit me when i started to play lfs was that the tarmac sections on the rallyx tracks dont include any real corners.

i always remember lydden hill in the 70's when i was in early teens and the cars struggling to get grip on the tarmac using knobly tyres, especially when wet and the mud had carried.

even oulton parks rather scratch built rally cross circuit had a reassonable balance with both tarmac and dirt bends.

if anyone does any remapping lets try to get some tarmac bends in aswell as dirt bends

[Fetzo]

well, the fernbay rallycross tracks definately have some 'real' tarmac corners. :)

but i agree that the rallycross tracks in lfs could be optimized. a normal rallycross track has more tarmac than mud.