Test Patch Y14 - AA / AF / East Asian support

[Scawen]

WARNING : THIS IS A TEST


Hello Racers.

Here is a new fully compatible test patch Y14.

It contains Chinese, Japanese and Korean Translations.
Various fixes including a South City hot lapping issue.
Full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are now supported.
Please read the list of changes below.


Changes in TEST PATCH Y14 :

Full-scene antialiasing is now supported in Graphics Options
Graphical and audio dynamic lod reductions are now instantaneous
FIX : Fences at Blackwood used the road surface mip bias setting
FIX : NVidia cards lost mip bias settings on changing screen size
FIX : Crash on pressing SHIF+F5 to reload language in help screen

Known issues :

Russian and Slovenian flags appear to be radioactive
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Changes in TEST PATCH Y13 :

Added support for anisotropic filtering in Graphics Options
Improved control of mip bias : 4 sliders in Graphics Options
Improved filter (16 bit / 32 bit / all) in Screen Options
Path edges in track selection screen now appear smooth
Improved lesson description blocks width and spacing
FIX : Multiplayer in-game text often appeared blurred
FIX : Unnecessary message "Could not get input context"
FIX : Double byte AI number plates in overtaking lesson


Changes from Y to Y12 :

Double byte character support :

Included Chinese, Japanese and Korean translations
Selectable fonts for these languages in Game Options
Input method editor support including candidate lists
IME automatically switched on and off in text entry dialog
Input language is shown when editing text (white if IME active)
Name of active Chinese input method is shown (but not in Vista)

Interface :

Faster text drawing system improves frame rate
Separate text entry field for AI number plates
Welcome screen now has three columns of languages
Added flags beside names of translations in Game Options
Czech / Japanese / Simplified Chinese lesson translations
Network debug messages are no longer sent in InSim packets
Text input box is now drawn above user messages so easier to type
Line breaks in help text and lesson text now depend on actual width
New game setup screen info message "X removed Y from the start grid"
FIX : Low ASCII characters can no longer be read from text files
FIX : Corrupted text in top left corner after changing language
FIX : Corrupted "finished" at top right after changing language

Multiplayer :

New command /ndebug=no/yes to switch off/on network debug
Dedicated host and network debug show connecting guest IP
FIX : Rapid /ai NAME command resulted in AI with same name
FIX : Rapid /ai command could exceed number of cars allowed
FIX : Joining a host with same name AI resulted in Join OOS
FIX : Skin name buffer overflow exploit

Fixes :

FIX : Replay could open reversed configuration in DEMO
FIX : Wall riding was possible on soft walls at South City
FIX : Could select invalid configuration and weather in cfg.txt
FIX : Admin could crash dedicated host by mistake with some commands


DOWNLOAD :

PATCH Y14 (Version Y must already be installed) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_PATCH_Y_TO_Y14.exe (1.6 MB)

DEDICATED HOST (for hosting only) :
www.liveforspeed.net/file_lfs.php?name=LFS_S2_DEDI_Y14.zip


KNOWN ISSUES :

Russian and Slovenian flags appear to be radioactive
Dedicated host does not display double byte characters
Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista


Windows XP : East Asian Language Support / Font Installation

LFS does not support double byte characters with Windows 98 / ME. Windows XP and Vista should work well but you may need to install fonts.

If you have Windows XP and currently cannot see the East Asian translations, here's how to set up your computer so it works.
See the attachment - in Control Panel click on "Regional and Language Options" then under the "Languages" tab select "Install files for East Asian Languages".
Windows will probably ask you to get your XP CD and the fonts will be installed from it.

This is important even if you do not use Chinese, Japanese or Korean translations so you can see East Asian text and player names correctly when you are online.

[AndroidXP]

Keep up the good work! :thumb:
Will test as soon as I come home...

[DratsaB]

Sweet, now with FSAA in game options, thanks. Ill try this out and report back any probs :thumb:

[mythdat]

oooh, AA now too, lovely :)

Works great too! :D

[zeromussov]

Good work, works ok :) But FPS is very poor. (on a clean LFS installation)

I get a better FPS on another LFS installation with high-res packs and the best graphics options in ATI Catalyst...(normal patch Y)

[Zachary Zoomy]

thats gold!

[Scawen]

Good work, works ok :) But FPS is very poor. (on a clean LFS installation)

I get a better FPS on another LFS installation with high-res packs and the best graphics options in ATI Catalyst...(normal patch Y)Please state exactly what settings you are using that give a poor frame rate.

Maybe even a screen shot of your old and new graphics options screens. And please make sure you are in the same video mode.

[nesrulz]

Thx for AA and AF options! :thumb:
btw, help (?) for AA in graphics options?

[Waffenaffe]

Scawen,im not Gay,but I love you :D

[dev]

Thank you for the ingame AA control :)

/me goes testing...

EDIT: AA works perfectly... even when using Shift + F4 or Alt + Tab :)

[screama]

Scawen,im not Gay,but I love you :D
i think i'm...... :scratchch

naaa! :razz:


THANKS A LOT! :thumbsup:

[Bean0]

Found a reproducable bug :(

If you change AA settings in game with mirrors or dials set to virtual or off (real ones off basically), then the area where the real mirrors/dials would be goes corrupted/weird.

Noticeable on incar view, mirror corruption also visible on external view (they go all pink for me).

[AndroidXP]

E: ^ I can reproduce this, too.

Okay just tested:

AF setting still doesn't do anything for me. Also tried setting it with nHancer (as I've used it before), but to no avail.

AA setting works fine :thumbsup:

Though one suggestion, maybe you should remove the 3x mode and add the 8x one instead. As far as I know, the 3x is in reality the 2x Quincunx mode, which is just a blurry piece of crap. I have no idea why anyone would ever want to use it, as IMO the normal 2x mode is superior to it. Though if the 8x selection is not easy to implement, just leave it like that.

Another thing, now that AA is officially supported, can you see if there's an easy fix to prevent the transparent tree textures having a small pixel line on top of them (caused by AA, see attachment). It has been like that forever, but now that AA is not forced anymore, maybe you can do something about it.

[screama]

Though one suggestion, maybe you should remove the 3x mode and add the 8x one instead.

Another thing, now that AA is officially supported, can you see if there's an easy fix to prevent the transparent tree textures having a small pixel line on top of them (caused by AA, see attachment). It has been like that forever, but now that AA is not forced anymore, maybe you can do something about it.
I'm able to select the 8x-mode!

[Scawen]

Though one suggestion, maybe you should remove the 3x mode and add the 8x one instead. As far as I know, the 3x is in reality the 2x Quincunx mode, which is just a blurry piece of crap. I have no idea why anyone would ever want to use it, as IMO the normal 2x mode is superior to it. Though if the 8x selection is not easy to implement, just leave it like that.I'm just displaying all AA modes that D3D reports are available.

This depends on your card and probably drivers.

[zeromussov]

I can't really make an good comparison because i use some high-res packs in one of my LFS installations. (also AF/A-A in drivers)

Well, I think it's ok now.. FPS seems some lower, but I think the AF works some better in Y14...

[AndroidXP]

Now that's weird. I can definitely select 8x AA in the driver and it also definitely works. Weird. Ok, hm, nevermind then.

[Bean0]

Now that's weird. I can definitely select 8x AA in the driver and it also definitely works. Weird. Ok, hm, nevermind then.

I can select 16x in driver options but only have 2x, 4x, and 8x in game.

nVidia 8800GTS (old one) and 169.09 drivers.

Edit: Attached DXDiag output in case it's useful.

[dev]

I'm just displaying all AA modes that D3D reports are available.

This depends on your card and probably drivers.
Hmm... that's strange... My card does support 8x but it doesn't show in-game...

2Bean0: Same with me :) In nVidia CP I can select 2x, 4x or 8x, but in-game there is no 8x available

[geeman1]

I still prefer setting my AA/AF settings from an external program. nHancer to be specific. They just offer wider variety of options.
Altough for less experienced players having the settings in game is a good option.

[AndroidXP]

Ah, I think I know what it is. LFS "only" supports pure multisampling AA, whereas the 8x I was talking of is actually the 8xS mode, which is a combination of 1x2 supersampling + 4x multisampling. It has crap performance anyway, so no need to investigate this further, Scawen. If anyone wants to use these modes, they should use profile or programs like nHancer to force it. :)

[Kid222]

Nice, that's what i wanted. :thumb:
...
:bowdown:

[eindh]

IMHO having at least pure supersampling methods would be nice...

[Bladerunner]

Is it just me or....?

Prior to Y13/Y14 I had all the AA/AF settings done through nHancer or the nVidia Control panel...no probs at all, looked pretty, and ran WELL...
Installed Y14 and set the card options to "Let the Application Control it" wherever I could...set AA and AF 'in game' to almost what they were in the card control panel, and... a DRASTIC drop in frame rates..
Gone form 200+ fps to a measly 40 - 60 fps at BL! (full 20 car grid of AI's)
Anybody else lost lots of FPS???

[garph]

AA and AF settings don't seem to be working for me. No difference when the AA if OFF and when it's set to x4.

Tried restarting LFS and my PC.

[callmebob]

does this work with normal y servers?

[Primoz]

Woohoo, AA/AF!!

[aroX123]

I Get another error when i extract.
Error messenge is:
ERROR: Can not delete output file C:\Documents and Settings\Familien Teien\Deskop\lfs s2 her\LFS.exe

[Flame CZE]

Thanks a lot Scawen, now it works ! :thumb:

[Scawen]

AA and AF settings don't seem to be working for me. No difference when the AA if OFF and when it's set to x4.

Tried restarting LFS and my PC.Most likely global or application specific settings in your graphics drivers. You must make sure they are set to "application controlled" or whatever.

does this work with normal y servers?Yes, that is what "compatible" means. I would always make it very clear in the first post if it was not compatible.

I Get another error when i extract.
Error messenge is:
ERROR: Can not delete output file C:\Documents and Settings\Familien Teien\Deskop\lfs s2 her\LFS.exeMaybe you forgot to exit LFS before installing the patch?

[detail]

I've set AA=4x, AF=8x, GF7600GS, driver version 6.14.11.6375, WinXP 64.

The interior of the other XF GTi in multiplayer is all WHITE. My own looks normal.

[Edit] Not always. Can't reproduce. The track was FE, weather=day.

[aroX123]

Maybe you forgot to exit LFS before installing the patch?
Yep, thats the problem xD
Thanks

[balee]

Is anyone using this
169.28_forceware_winxp_32bit_international_beta
driver?

As I said in the Y13 topic, 'let program controlled' option just doesn't work for me.
Driver always seems to override settings. I don't know what to do. Made default settings - no changes.
Than made forced options with application controlled settings.

I started Counter Strike: Source. Made AA&AF changes, and they appeared correctly the time I set them.

So. Is it driver problem, or LFS not forcing correctly? Someone in same situation?

[Lotesdelere]

Is anyone using this
169.28_forceware_winxp_32bit_international_beta
driver?

As I said in the Y13 topic, 'let program controlled' option just doesn't work for me.
Seems to be a known problem with some nVidia drivers:
Forcing AA from the control panel is broken in all drivers after 169.13 and before 171.xx. This is common knowledge on guru3d forums.
That's why I'm using 174.20

[Jabbapl]

Thank You Scawen :) I like this antialiasing

[J.B.]

I just did a quick AA/AF fraps benchmark with an mpr and setting 4x/8x gave me exactly the same frame rates when set in LFS as when set in the driver. So seems to be working fine on x1950 pro.

[AndroidXP]

I can confirm these results, no performance difference between driver forced and ingame AA.

[Ovidiu23]

Hmm, I have some issues. It's a difference of 10 fps between driver and game AA and AF, and i think the quality of the driver settings is better. The driver is 174.20, the videocard is 8800gt. Here are the images:

[Stefani24]

Russian and Slovenian flags appear to be radioactive

?????????
wth does this mean
and @poster above:
im happy when i get 30 fps

[Jakg]

I'm a n00b - forgive me.

I've got an 8800GTX and 174.16 Xtreme-G drivers. ATM I have nHancer set to 16xAF and AA set to 16xQ Coverge Sample. I run at 1680*1050 (not that I think this makes any difference). Do I run LFS using nHancers settings, or would setting the AA / AF via LFS be better? Performance isn't an issue (CPU limited), i'm just after maximum quality.

[ACCAkut]

I run a Radeon X1650 Pro, and none of the before mentioned problems, i'm still fiddling with the mip map setting tho.

But I wanted to ask, If this patch contained some more minor tweaks than the listed ones, I think the rev limiter is more hearable now, and the camera movement seems different.:scratchch

[STROBE]

Woohoo, in-game FSAA controls! Thanks Scawen!

Just had a quick test in XFG around Blackwood (my test version of LFS isn't unlocked) and the in-game FSAA controls work a treat. Superb - no more faffing around with the crappy nvidia control panel!

I was unable to notice any performance drop, FPS was maxed out at ~260 regardless of my graphical settings.

Still couldn't tell any difference between the AF settings though. Could anyone post some full-size screenies to show LFS with and without full AF? Mine looks fine, I'm not noticing textures blurring anywhere, so I'm just wondering whether mine is somehow fixed on or off.

Curiously, switching on 8×FSAA causes my gfx card fan to spin up. It's an 8800GT, which has a rather noisy cooler. Fortunately, I've got a Thermalright HR-03 GT waiting to go on it. :) I thought it odd though, as I was under the impression LFS was generally CPU-bound and didn't come close to even slightly taxing modern gfx cards. I guess the extra work of FSAA makes enough of a difference though to need more fan speed.

[Riders Motion]

I'm a n00b - forgive me.

I've got an 8800GTX and 174.16 Xtreme-G drivers. ATM I have nHancer set to 16xAF and AA set to 16xQ Coverge Sample. I run at 1680*1050 (not that I think this makes any difference). Do I run LFS using nHancers settings, or would setting the AA / AF via LFS be better? Performance isn't an issue (CPU limited), i'm just after maximum quality.

Does the 174.X drivers work with other Nvidia cards too? Just wonderin' because my 169.X drivers are pissing me off... :shy:

[Jet_ CZE]

16xAA please :)

[dev]

I get a message saying: "Warning: Road tyres on rallycross track" when joining Westhill International (WE1) with any car...

1) Start LFS
2) Click single player
3) Load Westhill International REV (WE2)
4) When track loads, click "track" and change the track to WE1
5) Warning messages appear...

EDIT: When you normaly load WE1 without loading WE2 first, I don't egt this message. Tested on 2 PC's...

[balee]

Does the 174.X drivers work with other Nvidia cards too? Just wonderin' because my 169.X drivers are pissing me off... :shy:

Yep. Just installed 147.20 as suggested, and everything works fine.
Thanks Scawen for such an important update. Ignoring driver panels really makes gaming easier and smoother. :thumb:

[Bob Smith]

dev - that can happen if you spent a lot of time driving in the grass last time you played on the track (it fools the track type detection into thinking it's a rallycross track). Just do some clean laps and it shouldn't come back.

[Jakg]

Does the 174.X drivers work with other Nvidia cards too? Just wonderin' because my 169.X drivers are pissing me off... :shy:iirc it's probably "designed" for cards like the 9600/9800's, but I run it simply because the 169.xx drivers suck.

Driver download (XtremeG version - IMO it's better):
XP - http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=7
Vista - http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=5

[dev]

dev - that can happen if you spent a lot of time driving in the grass last time you played on the track (it fools the track type detection into thinking it's a rallycross track). Just do some clean laps and it shouldn't come back.
I did a clean install 2 days ago, and I didn't drive Westhill since :shrug:

[Tisza]

cool! nice patch again... thx! :)

[Riders Motion]

iirc it's probably "designed" for cards like the 9600/9800's, but I run it simply because the 169.xx drivers suck.

Driver download (XtremeG version - IMO it's better):
XP - http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=7
Vista - http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=5

Thanks Jack, I had downloaded ForceWare 174.53 a few minutes ago (not installed yet) but I'll try those. :)

Edit: add my new Msn

drift-syndicated@hotmail.com

I stopped using the other because of kids laughing at the word 'hentai' when connecting. :x

[Jakg]

God I hate nVidia sometimes. I only downloaded the 174.16's a few days ago!

Meh, for once i'll admit my PC is faster than I need it to be so i'll leave it.

[Riders Motion]

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!

Now my computer is running graphics in 4bit! I must have deleted something I shouldn't. Anyone help? :shy:

[Jakg]

Have you tried setting it manually to the right resolution?

I'd try uninstalling all the nVidia drivers, then rebooting, then installing them again. If that didn't work i'd crack out Driver Cleaner.

[Shotglass]

hm doesnt work on my end and the filtering still resets itself to bilinear all the time
but then again im running those crappy 169ers... is there anything newer for a 78gtx on xp64?

[Riders Motion]

Have you tried setting it manually to the right resolution?

I'd try uninstalling all the nVidia drivers, then rebooting, then installing them again. If that didn't work i'd crack out Driver Cleaner.

Ooooooooo

I resinstalled, and figured out that when they ask you if you want to open Xtreme-G, it's not an option. :shy: It won't complete installation if you don't do it. Problem fixed. :schwitz:

[Jakg]

hm doesnt work on my end and the filtering still resets itself to bilinear all the time
but then again im running those crappy 169ers... is there anything newer for a 78gtx on xp64?
http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/GRAPHICS-BOARD/NVIDIA/Nvidia-Forceware-xp64-17116-Beta.shtml

Quick Google (probably get newer ones if you look harder)

Those are probably the US ones - no idea if that makes a difference with a (I presume) German copy of XP.

EDIT - http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=132 - XtremeG versions

[Shotglass]

i dont think there are any german versions of xp64... i for one have never seen any
so thx

odd searching for them just a few days ago turned up nothing

[Widdowmaker]

Running a 8800GTX - Ran LFS with Patch Y 14 earlier this eveing no isses - was running great on the triple head - I flicked on V Sync to run the machine comfortably with 60 frames. Every thing is running full - all siders to the right - every thing maxed (as per normal)

Saw JAks post about updating drivers and thought why not - not a problem.

Updated to drivers noted by Jak - 174.16

Went back into game - its started no probs - half way round the track of a single player game -I pressed paused and went into settings and turned off V Sync - wanted to check frame rate capabilities.

Thought ahh I am running nhancer - I set it in there - so alt-tabbed and turned of v sync in nhancer. Went back into LFS - and on alt tabbing back in - the game crashed - and now -"Cannnot initialize graphics".

Ive turned of fnhancer, and the nvidia control panel - after reseting v sync in nhancer - and this version of LFS now wont work.

I have a back up copy on another HD - so updated that to y14 - but it has no skins or settings in.

This version works - but if I go to choose any AA or AF other than the default - the game crashes. it will run ok with default.

Can anyone reproduce or similar issues?

I will leave both installations as they are (for referal purposes) - and will install another fresh version onto another HD.

[Shotglass]

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/GRAPHICS-BOARD/NVIDIA/Nvidia-Forceware-xp64-17116-Beta.shtml

Quick Google (probably get newer ones if you look harder)

Those are probably the US ones - no idea if that makes a difference with a (I presume) German copy of XP.

EDIT - http://www.tweakforce.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=132 - XtremeG versions

hm first one wont unpack second one works fine and at least gave me back the max prerender setting i was missing ever sinc eht crappy new control panel... sadly i still cant force monitor refrsh rates


with the 174.16 drivers now i can enable the aa in lfs just fine
af however still resets to bilinear every time i start lfs or change driver filtering settings despite the 16x button most certainly being the selected one

...

try deleting/renaming the card_cfg and cfg in yout lfs root dir

[detail]

?????????
wth does this mean
and @poster above:
im happy when i get 30 fps
The colours are too bright, while in reality they aren't like the brightest red and blue. :shrug: I wanted to send to Scawen a new version, but lost myself in AF tests and forgot.

[Degats]

I've set AA=4x, AF=8x, GF7600GS, driver version 6.14.11.6375, WinXP 64.

The interior of the other XF GTi in multiplayer is all WHITE. My own looks normal.

[Edit] Not always. Can't reproduce. The track was FE, weather=day.
I've had this problem even before patch Y, so its another issue somewhere. Happens on random cars at random sessions, haven't found a way of reproducing it yet.



PS. Nice one on the AA/AF, Scawen :D

[bmwe30m3]

hmmm...,if i enable AA the screen goes out of place,its too big and doesent fit

[Lotesdelere]

I get a message saying: "Warning: Road tyres on rallycross track"
Yep, same for me and it happens even with patch Y.
It happens when you select a car/setup while the track is still loading (any track).


Something else now:
I can't paste any of the asian languages into the chat text input box. I only get question marks but sometimes some random character is taken into account.

Example with Japanese text:
I open Commands_Japanese.txt with Notepad and I copy the first line after the title (screenshot 1)
I open the text input box in LFS, I select Japanese and I paste the text (screenshot 2)
Only one character is shown, but I'm not even sure it's the correct one.

[word.]

Thank-you this works very well. AF now works (was broken for me in Y13). In game AA option is brilliant!

[mxpxun]

Great job!!! And can u pleas translate OPTIONS/DISPLAY/INTERFACE menu? :thumb::thumb::)

[detail]

I have an issue with welcome texts. Diacritic characters of European languages show like cyrillic, because the text is written in single-byte characters. Host owners see their welcome.txt in their codepage (French, Italian, Swedish), but my local LFS takes that text as cp1251 and Cyrillic. I see "piщ" instead of "più", "fцr" instead of "für" and so on. Other users must also have the same problem.

BTW, what happens if someone makes a multibyte welcome.txt?

IMO, it´s better to detect codepage (or decode unicode txt) and tag the welcome message on host.

[Scawen]

Yep, same for me and it happens even with patch Y.
It happens when you select a car/setup while the track is still loading (any track).I've wanted to fix this bug for years, and have never been able to work it out.

I still can't reproduce it - please can you describe exactly how to do this? For example how can you load a car while the track is loading? LFS doesn't allow me to join the race while a track is loading...

Something else now:
I can't paste any of the asian languages into the chat text input box. I only get question marks but sometimes some random character is taken into account.

Example with Japanese text:
I open Commands_Japanese.txt with Notepad and I copy the first line after the title (screenshot 1)
I open the text input box in LFS, I select Japanese and I paste the text (screenshot 2)
Only one character is shown, but I'm not even sure it's the correct one.Did you set Japanese as the "language to match the language version of the non-unicode programs you want to use" ? As LFS is non-unicode you need to do this. There are side effects, e.g. every backslash in Windows will then be a Yen sign, but at least you can enter Japanese characters into LFS.

See attached image.

[bmwe30m3]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6157/errorrm2.jpg
this is the problem,scawen,i hope you can fix it...i cant do anything anymore...
[EDIT]no change with fullscreen

[xaotik]

I still can't reproduce it - please can you describe exactly how to do this? For example how can you load a car while the track is loading? LFS doesn't allow me to join the race while a track is loading...

Easiest way I found was to load a road car (I used the race about) then load WE1 - then load WE1R - every time I switch from WE1 to WE1R it gives that error no matter what setup I have (default or one of my own).

[mcgas001]

Easiest way I found was to load a road car (I used the race about) then load WE1 - then load WE1R - every time I switch from WE1 to WE1R it gives that error no matter what setup I have (default or one of my own).

I tried that, but with XRT. I got no errors...?

[Scawen]

Easiest way I found was to load a road car (I used the race about) then load WE1 - then load WE1R - every time I switch from WE1 to WE1R it gives that error no matter what setup I have (default or one of my own).Heh, it's not that easy! :)

Somehow your computer is behaving differently from others. That's how this bug is, it just appears on someone's computer, they can reproduce it for a while, then it goes. It sounds like an uninitialised data type of bug but I can't count the number of times I have been through that code and I can't see any problem with it...

Please could you attach a zip of your path rubber files WE1.trs and WE1R.trs (from your data\knw folder) and we'll see if we can reproduce the bug with your Westhill path rubber files. Though I have a vague memory I've tried this before and it didn't reproduce the bug on another computer.

[Shotglass]

Might be a bit of a stupid question but why don't you just use a flag somewhere in the track files instead of analysing the rubber path files? Seems to me like it would be a much simpler and more error proof method.

[mcgas001]

Might be a bit of a stupid question but why don't you just use a flag somewhere in the track files instead of analysing the rubber path files? Seems to me like it would be a much simpler and more error proof method.

+1 i also wonder this...

[Scawen]

I don't think it analyses the path rubber. But people always report that if you drive on the grass too much, this happens... although this is usually denied. The code is supposed to analyse something that never changes on anyone's computer. But apparently, something does change. There's no point putting an editor switch into LFS when it can quite simply work out for itself if a track is rallycross or not.

[xaotik]

Heh, it's not that easy! :)

Somehow your computer is behaving differently from others. That's how this bug is, it just appears on someone's computer, they can reproduce it for a while, then it goes. It sounds like an uninitialised data type of bug but I can't count the number of times I have been through that code and I can't see any problem with it...

Please could you attach a zip of your path rubber files WE1.trs and WE1R.trs (from your data\knw folder) and we'll see if we can reproduce the bug with your Westhill path rubber files. Though I have a vague memory I've tried this before and it didn't reproduce the bug on another computer.

Oh hell, it's one of those things, eh?
I tried it out on another PC and indeed it doesn't do this despite the installation being essentially a copy from the PC that does do it (only the player profile differs AFAIK). Further investigation showed that the PC which does it (older installation) doesn't have a .trs file for WE1R whereas the one that doesn't do it has one.

Despite this matter which my keen and restless eye has spotted only due to it being so obvious, I've included the set of files that I see accessed by LFS (.trs, .lyt and the player profile) from both PCs.

[Scawen]

Great!

I removed my WE1.trs and WE1R.trs and saved your WE1.trs...

Now my LFS reports road tyres on rallycross tracks when I switch to WE1R... :thumbsup:

Strange because the trs file is for WE1... anyway maybe now I can track down and fix this ancient bug! :)

[eblise]

good, i use Y14, no problem in graphics

[Lotesdelere]

I still can't reproduce it - please can you describe exactly how to do this?
Single player -> on the entry screen change track, wait for the track to load and now select another track,
Once you have selected the new track, click on the Garage button and select a setup or go to the Car selection and change car, say select a GTR,
Click on OK (twice if needed) and if you're fast enough you're back to the entry screen while the track is still loading and bingo! You get the message.
Happens online too if you select another setup during a track change. Works with any track. FYI I'm mostly driving the GTR's (including the 'small' ones) and the single seaters.


As LFS is non-unicode
Oh I have misunderstood then as I thought LFS was now fully unicode compliant.
OK I got it, thanks for the answer.


BTW there is a little interface annoyance since patch Y:
When you're on the main menu if you hit Esc to exit the game you are prompted for confirmation but if you click on the Exit button there is no prompt.
I sometimes click that fast and once too much that I exit the game while I only wanted to go back to the main menu.

[DarkTimes]

Oh I have misunderstood then as I thought LFS was now fully unicode compliant.
OK I got it, thanks for the answer.
LFS uses multi-byte characters, but that should not be confused with Unicode, which is something else entirely.

OT: An interesting article explains how it all works... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

[Scawen]

That old bug that was reproducable at Westhill is now fixed. It could happen if you changed to a config with no trs, from a config which did have a trs and it was seen "reversed" and this could mean the rubber was on the grass. This bug combined with another bug that the rallycross calculation did in fact depend on the rubber positioning, caused that message to come up sometimes. Both bugs are now fixed, the rubber is zeroed at the right time and the rallycross calculation is no longer affected by the rubber position.

Single player -> on the entry screen change track, wait for the track to load and now select another track,
Once you have selected the new track, click on the Garage button and select a setup or go to the Car selection and change car, say select a GTR,
Click on OK (twice if needed) and if you're fast enough you're back to the entry screen while the track is still loading and bingo! You get the message.
Happens online too if you select another setup during a track change. Works with any track. FYI I'm mostly driving the GTR's (including the 'small' ones) and the single seaters.This is different and I'll have a look at that soon.

BTW there is a little interface annoyance since patch Y:
When you're on the main menu if you hit Esc to exit the game you are prompted for confirmation but if you click on the Exit button there is no prompt.
I sometimes click that fast and once too much that I exit the game while I only wanted to go back to the main menu.That is a deliberate change.

I understand that it is annoying if you make a mistake and end up on the credits screen.

BUT It's even more annoying how it was before, every time you clicked to exit, LFS would ask "Exit LFS?".
You feel like saying : YES!!! That's why I clicked EXIT!!! :mad:

So, it's better that you sometimes annoy yourself by your own mistake, than LFS annoying you 100% of the time. :) This was requested by a user, by the way and I agreed, it annoyed me too, sometimes programs are annoying when they don't just do what you want. It's not like you're going to lose some unsaved data or anything like that.

With the key it's different, it's so easy to press, it needs the confimation.

[Scawen]

Moved some spam and off topic requests to other threads.

No off topic requests in here please, I don't have spare time to read by repeated requests that are already on my list and not related to this test patch, and to have to read through unnecessary posts. I'm trying to use the test patch thread as a reference for test patch issues.

[XingZhiWei]

14:nod:good

[Macfox]

@Scawen

With the exception of a couple of minor InSim and network debug message, how much value is there in running the latest dedicated server version, if the changelog doesn't indicate a change?

I try to keep with the updates on the our servers, but how much value is in it, particularly if the the clients are backward compatible? To your credit I have yet to see a dedicated server problem with the last 35 or so updates, which is great achievement, but it also raises this question.

[Lotesdelere]

I've noticed some troubles with some nick names which are using special characters:

Screenshot 1: how it should be and how it's displayed in patch Y
Screenshot 2: same nick name displayed in patch Y14
Screenshot 3: this nick name destroyed the whole line including "s'est déconnecté" (has disconnected)


And the screenshot 4 is showing a FXR with a TV screen on the dashboard (Patch Y14) :D
It's from the default TV cam, the car had stopped on the side of the track after the race.
Not sure what is the cause of that, there was no other strange glitch on screen but it vanished after switching views from TV cam to cockpit view and back to TV cam.

[Scawen]

With the exception of a couple of minor InSim and network debug message, how much value is there in running the latest dedicated server version, if the changelog doesn't indicate a change?Wel... not that much value for you really. Usually if it's important to test the dedi I'll make a post in the hosts forum. I just upload the dedi of every test patch so at least some hosts will use it and if there is any issue with it, it should get noticed. Sometimes a change I make might just break the dedi in some unexpected way, so it's good that it is tested. But from your point of view, only update it if it is convenient or seems like a good idea.

I've noticed some troubles with some nick names which are using special characters:

Screenshot 1: how it should be and how it's displayed in patch Y
Screenshot 2: same nick name displayed in patch Y14Not really a bug. The "bug" is that the player with the corrupted name is using an old LFS and there were some characters from the Latin code page in the spaces now correctly used for lead bytes of double byte characters on the Japanese code page. This player used those characters and could fix that by using the new patch and switching to Latin before adding those characters. This kind of problem will just go away when everyone uses the new patch and corrects their names.

Screenshot 3: this nick name destroyed the whole line including "s'est déconnecté" (has disconnected)A related issue where the final byte in the player's name is now a lead byte of a double byte character. That lead byte has "eaten" the "^" of the "^8" which would have returned to the Latin code page after the name. It's possible to protect against this and it's on my list to see if it's easy to do, though again this kind of problem would mostly disappear when the patch goes official so it's not high priority.

And the screenshot 4 is showing a FXR with a TV screen on the dashboard (Patch Y14) :D
It's from the default TV cam, the car had stopped on the side of the track after the race.
Not sure what is the cause of that, there was no other strange glitch on screen but it vanished after switching views from TV cam to cockpit view and back to TV cam.Maybe you had done one of those things which can corrupt unused mirrors or dashboards. The latest one is changing to AA. Some people get this when they press ALT+TAB, or perhaps change window size in some way. Most cases are protected but sometimes the behaviour is different on different computers.

Bug reproduction request :

If anyone knows a way to reproduce corrupted mirrors or dashboards (when real dash or mirrors are switched off) then please let me know, and what graphics card you have so I can try to reproduce on ATI or NVidia. Changing AA setting to cause this has already been reported.

[nesrulz]

Hm...
What is this? :shy:

Garage (Shift + P).
And then Shift + O or just O.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4422/27030537ev1.png

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7100/78761276hx3.png

EDIT: sry my fault (http://www.lfs.net/?page=CAR_INFO_BIN).

[Scawen]

It's... car info :)

File format is given here : http://www.lfs.net/?page=coderfiles

[Fox 2]

Mirror bug.

Start LFS. Go to any car, track. Cockpit view. Alt-tab to windows. Back to LFS. Bah, corrupted mirrors. Happens every time for me.
My card is x1950pro, drivers are official 7.12. Windows XP.

Sorry if that has been reported.

[rc10racer]

Mirror bug.

Start LFS. Go to any car, track. Cockpit view. Alt-tab to windows. Back to LFS. Bah, corrupted mirrors. Happens every time for me.
My card is x1950pro, drivers are official 7.12. Windows XP.

Sorry if that has been reported.

I can reproduce this bug even in patch Y.... stock lfs and using follow view :shy:.

EDIT: for me it only does it by hitting the windows key.

[geeman1]

Alt-tabDon't use alt-tab. Instead make LFS windowed (SHIFT + F4) then you can go to other programs.
ALT + TAB can not be handled correctly and it can cause unexpected problems.

[Shotglass]

If anyone knows a way to reproduce corrupted mirrors or dashboards (when real dash or mirrors are switched off) then please let me know, and what graphics card you have so I can try to reproduce on ATI or NVidia. Changing AA setting to cause this has already been reported.

Alt Tab will corrupt the dash on my Nvidia card. although it does so only twice, first one is always yellow second one always green after that it stays black like it should.

At least theyre not pink anymore... i guess thats an improvement of some sort.

[rc10racer]

At least theyre not pink anymore... i guess thats an improvement of some sort.

I still got this problem but don't know why, just been trying to reproduce it but could only get the yellow one to show up.

[aroX123]

Bug.
It's a back spot.
On South City.
It's 5 drifferent ways to look at the car.. use last one and watch my replay.

[Scawen]

Moved more spam to a new spam thread.

[Lotesdelere]

Maybe you had done one of those things which can corrupt unused mirrors or dashboards. The latest one is changing to AA.
Yep, I have played a lot with AA and AF in-game settings during this race and also used Shift+F4 many times.
Just to let you know :)

[Waffenaffe]

Here :http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/f16e5663bbb6f4e43293f8b7511e7fae1933e072.png
The Funny thing is,that is it on Nvidias Yellow,with my old ATI Pink
And it worked only with the LX6.
To reproduce: View behind car,Windows Key ,jump in Game.

Grakas: XFX 8600GTS and ATI MSI 9600XT

[Widdowmaker]

Running a 8800GTX - Ran LFS with Patch Y 14 earlier this eveing no isses - was running great on the triple head - I flicked on V Sync to run the machine comfortably with 60 frames. Every thing is running full - all siders to the right - every thing maxed (as per normal)

Saw JAks post about updating drivers and thought why not - not a problem.

Updated to drivers noted by Jak - 174.16

Went back into game - its started no probs - half way round the track of a single player game -I pressed paused and went into settings and turned off V Sync - wanted to check frame rate capabilities.

Thought ahh I am running nhancer - I set it in there - so alt-tabbed and turned of v sync in nhancer. Went back into LFS - and on alt tabbing back in - the game crashed - and now -"Cannnot initialize graphics".

Ive turned of fnhancer, and the nvidia control panel - after reseting v sync in nhancer - and this version of LFS now wont work.

I have a back up copy on another HD - so updated that to y14 - but it has no skins or settings in.

This version works - but if I go to choose any AA or AF other than the default - the game crashes. it will run ok with default.

Can anyone reproduce or similar issues?

I will leave both installations as they are (for referal purposes) - and will install another fresh version onto another HD.

On consultation with my pc guru friend - he advised deleting the config file and restarting LFS.

This done - LFS now ran - but on changing the AA and AF to anything higher than default- the game crashed. Result would be to delete config file again.

Rolled back drivers to 169.28 - all working fine again.

I dont think the 174.16 are whql???

[vane]

this only leaves one question though...







WHY WAS THIS NOT DONE SOONER!!! i love it!!! well done programmers :) lfs no longer looks like pixel art, one step closer to realistic views :)

[KiAn]

GeForce 9600gt 650
all full
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5677/9600rn4.jpg

good pach :thumb:

[Flame CZE]

When I set AA to 2x < 4x, strange things will appear on the screen. It didnt happen before. In patch Y i set AA to 4x (on my nvidia setup) and it worked normally.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8414/streu1.jpg

[Napalm Candy]

Hi... i has test the patch.

In my old installation (PatchY) i has arround 200-300FPS with a 8800GT with FBM@Blackwood, in PatchY14 only 92.

If i put all efects from nvidia drivers, all at maxium, and the SoftTH to view in 3 monitors. In PatchY i has 67fps in PatchY14 56fps with all at maxium from LFS options

I don't see any advantage :shrug:

PD: It is possible to do, that I can to use 3 monitors without using SoftTH? can you program this drivers natively in a new patch?

sorry my english

SoftTH link -> http://www.kegetys.net/SoftTH/
How i play :)-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQFPJP3wpk

[AndroidXP]

When I set AA to 2x < 4x, strange things will appear on the screen. It didnt happen before. In patch Y i set AA to 4x (on my nvidia setup) and it worked normally.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8414/streu1.jpg
It seems like your card is overheating, since this is pretty clearly vertex corruption. Try downgrading to patch Y and forcing it in the CP to see if it goes away. My guess is it won't and it was just coincidence it started happening with Y14 :shrug:

[john]

Vista 64 bit
8GB (4x2)
8800GT

No problem

[Flame CZE]

It seems like your card is overheating, since this is pretty clearly vertex corruption. Try downgrading to patch Y and forcing it in the CP to see if it goes away. My guess is it won't and it was just coincidence it started happening with Y14 :shrug:
I have two folders in my PC - LFS Y13 and LFS Y14. Now I tried to set AA 4x in Y13 (via CP) and AA worked without problem. Then I set AA to let application choose and tried AA in Y14. The result was the same as in my previous post.

btw my graphics card wasn't overheaten - 46°C

[Hoshimodo]

Everything (AA/AF settings ingame) is working fine on my medieval system (XPproSP2, 1 gig RAM, P4 Prescott 3,2 MHz, 7600GT AGP, Forceware 94.24), and I've not noticed any loss in frame rates. Thanks a lot Scawen :thumb: Keep up the good work!

[detail]

Scawen, this is Russian flag in colours closer to real (ffffff 2861ac c52d2c)

[Ger Roady]

Hi
If I switch off haze effect my frame rate doubels from 40 to 80 fps even with a fresh Vista and Lfs Installation.
If I start Lfs with Haze effect off (40 Fps) and turn it on , I got 80 Fps again.

(Edit) No matter how many times i switch it back, it doesn't falls back to 40 Fps.

The haze effect still works normaly the whole time and i can switch it off and on .:shrug:
AA and AF works fine by me.

My System

Sempron 3100
G-force 6800 169.25
Vista 32
MB K8N-E 1GByte

[Ger Roady]

If i start the same Lfs installation with xp on the old harddrive i get 90-130 Fps , no changes with haze effect on or off .
So it seems to be a Vista or graphics driver problem .:arge:

[D_Thrasher]

No problems here...running an old nVidia GeForce FX 5500, and the AA and AF is working great with minimal FPS loss (not that I had many FPS to start with lol). Thanks Scawen.:)

[highbridge]

Can't output Japanese message when using script.

[test.lfs]
/rcm ^Jこんにちは
/rcm_all

run script.
/run test

However did not display Japanese rcm message...

:(

[Scawen]

Can't output Japanese message when using script.

[test.lfs]
/rcm ^Jこんにちは
/rcm_all

run script.
/run test

However did not display Japanese rcm message...

:(Please can you attach the test.lfs script (text file) so I can try it in the debugger?

Was this using a dedicated host or full LFS host?

I would have expected it to work correctly, as long as the guests have a patched version and the text file is in the correct format.

[IlGuercio]

Well...i just tested the Y14 and it works fine for AF.Then i cant compare driver settings and ingame settings for AA because it didnt work if activated by drivers.The question is...Is it normal that i have 75 fps with AA8x while i have about 200 with no AA?I know frames drop with those settings but i thought drop shouldn't be huge.The card is a 8600M GT(mobile card) and before you say it,activating AA on other games causes not such a huge drop in fps like in here.Maybe its just me...

[highbridge]

Please can you attach the test.lfs script (text file) so I can try it in the debugger?

Was this using a dedicated host or full LFS host?

I would have expected it to work correctly, as long as the guests have a patched version and the text file is in the correct format.

I attached test.lfs.

52021

And I use full version of LFS.
This problem is not happens on Y10.

[shiny_red_cobra]

Well...i just tested the Y14 and it works fine for AF.Then i cant compare driver settings and ingame settings for AA because it didnt work if activated by drivers.The question is...Is it normal that i have 75 fps with AA8x while i have about 200 with no AA?I know frames drop with those settings but i thought drop shouldn't be huge.The card is a 8600M GT(mobile card) and before you say it,activating AA on other games causes not such a huge drop in fps like in here.Maybe its just me...

Unfortunately, it is normal to have a large drop in fps on a mid-range card like the 8600 when you activate AA.

[Scawen]

I attached test.lfs.

52021

And I use full version of LFS.
This problem is not happens on Y10.Thanks - it was a bug in the script reading "invalid character" protection.

You will find it is fixed in the next test patch.

[Scawen]

Well...i just tested the Y14 and it works fine for AF.Then i cant compare driver settings and ingame settings for AA because it didnt work if activated by drivers.The question is...Is it normal that i have 75 fps with AA8x while i have about 200 with no AA?I know frames drop with those settings but i thought drop shouldn't be huge.The card is a 8600M GT(mobile card) and before you say it,activating AA on other games causes not such a huge drop in fps like in here.Maybe its just me...

Unfortunately, it is normal to have a large drop in fps on a mid-range card like the 8600 when you activate AA.
How about with 4xAA? I would have thought 4xAA was really enough!

[Octane]

i don´t know wether its my PC or LFS, but since i installed Y14 (maybe even in earlier versions, but i haven´t played LFS for a longer time and havent had this before) i get a crackling sound when i press and hold CTRL+SHIFT (actually i get this crackling sound when pressing and holding any modifier key), so i ask if anyone noticed the same problem, but as is said earlier its maybe my machine.

[IlGuercio]

How about with 4xAA? I would have thought 4xAA was really enough!
First of all,i never spoke to you directly...so because now i have the opportunity let me say that your work is really appreciated by me.
Now if i set AA4x i get about 40 more fps which is good.And i think it'll be enough for me with this video card.Given the fafct that lfs is much more cpu depending than gpu,i expected a minor impact on fps.Mine was just a reflection about 8xxx nvidia series which should be very competitive with filters activated,but probably its me requesting too much from this poor (yet overclocked) video card.Keep up the good work Scawen,now im looking forward for multicore support:thumb:

[ORION]

Just a little hint at the default mip bias settings:
On my computers, everything looks very pixelated then, almost impossible to look at. Im always using -1.00 for all mip values, and AF to make it look sharp again.
As I've seen a lot lfs newbies complaining about the flickering road specially on south city, some more economic default value might be nice?

-4.0 for the road is really hardcore (feels like a 60Hz CRT :) )

[IlGuercio]

Just a little hint at the default mip bias settings:
On my computers, everything looks very pixelated then, almost impossible to look at. Im always using -1.00 for all mip values, and AF to make it look sharp again.
As I've seen a lot lfs newbies complaining about the flickering road specially on south city, some more economic default value might be nice?

-4.0 for the road is really hardcore (feels like a 60Hz CRT :) )

Same for me...i had to put everything on the left in bias...losing something like 20 fps just for that.

[Shotglass]

How about with 4xAA? I would have thought 4xAA was really enough!

anything below 8x supersampling looks nasty in lfs
i suppose its got something to do with the way theres a lot of high contrast poly edges at shallow angles on screen

[IlGuercio]

anything below 8x supersampling looks nasty in lfs
i suppose its got something to do with the way theres a lot of high contrast poly edges at shallow angles on screen

So you are with me when i say i expected less drop in frames?

[CobraDrifter]

Could we just get an option(like in nVidia control pannel) that don't allow mip bias(clamp)?I'm glad to see that the devs are starting to care about the graphics :)

[Shotglass]

So you are with me when i say i expected less drop in frames?

nope 8x requires some serious post processing

[shiny_red_cobra]

I'm glad to see that the devs are starting to care about the graphics :)

They've always cared about graphics (you probably weren't here when they went from S1 to S2 so you don't know about the major graphics improvements at that time), but there have always been more important things to do. Also, I don't think this patch was supposed to have graphical updates, until people started pushing Scawen for them. Anyway, as much as I welcome improvements to the graphics, my computer can't even handle AA, so these new graphics options are useless for me. That's why I'd personally like to see physics improvements rather than graphics improvements. But that's just my opinion. :thumb:

[Bob Smith]

I can't see it mentioned but then I did skim read: I can change AF on the fly and all works great, but to change FSAA I have to restart LFS for it to have any effect (and LFS jerks up for a few seconds while it thinks, but ultimately does nothing).

ATI X1800XT with latest Omega drivers.

[detail]

Before when I turned on AF with driver settings, in LFS and in RBR I saw these artefacts: dashes across roads. Now they are in LFS. I can't test if they were there in patch Y, but definitely they are here now, and I can't remove them at all: even with no AA/AF and minimal (most negative) mip bias, they are still there on the roads.

[[RF]-art555]

Before when I turned on AF with driver settings, in LFS and in RBR I saw these artefacts: dashes across roads. Now they are in LFS. I can't test if they were there in patch Y, but definitely they are here now, and I can't remove them at all: even with no AA/AF and minimal (most negative) mip bias, they are still there on the roads.

I have the same problems. GeForce 8600GT,174.14 drivers, XP SP2, AAx4 :shrug:

[Amynue]

Before when I turned on AF with driver settings, in LFS and in RBR I saw these artefacts: dashes across roads. Now they are in LFS. I can't test if they were there in patch Y, but definitely they are here now, and I can't remove them at all: even with no AA/AF and minimal (most negative) mip bias, they are still there on the roads.I have same artefacts on the road when I turn on AF ( HD3870 )

[Snake2]

Testing it now :thumb: Thanks devs.

[jaohard]

Quote:
Originally Posted by detail http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=746867#post746867)
Before when I turned on AF with driver settings, in LFS and in RBR I saw these artefacts: dashes across roads. Now they are in LFS. I can't test if they were there in patch Y, but definitely they are here now, and I can't remove them at all: even with no AA/AF and minimal (most negative) mip bias, they are still there on the roads.

Same with me. Radeon 3850. I remember seeing this a month or so ago, so nothing to do with Y14. It looks like white lines where the road textures meet but only around mid view distance, very visual when road bias set to 0 and no AA/AF. I can't get rid of them by changing Z buffer/Catalyst AI/Mip Changes in Catalyst Control Centre etc.
It just feels like your coming around to the start grid around various corners. More noticeable on certain tracks like fern bay gold rev (first like six corners).

[Widdowmaker]

This happens very clearly on Blackwood Rev, as you come around Popeye, and head up the back straight. First sign of it is under the bridge, and then at the bottom of the slope where the rise is on the back stetch. It does disapear as you get closer and it does seem to be terrain related.

[xaotik]

Before when I turned on AF with driver settings, in LFS and in RBR I saw these artefacts: dashes across roads. Now they are in LFS. I can't test if they were there in patch Y, but definitely they are here now, and I can't remove them at all: even with no AA/AF and minimal (most negative) mip bias, they are still there on the roads.

Those lines appear usually in 3D apps/games when you set AF to the maximum value, if you notice they are either on UVmapping "seams" or where a texture loops - they're also visible on cars (on the "seams" of the models).

Did you try uninstalling your drivers and going for a clean installation? Sometimes profile settings get messed up with nvidia and they don't actually do what you tell them to.

[[RF]-art555]

Does the same for me with x4 settings and fresh drivers anyway :shrug:

[rodo37]

-art555;747451']Does the same for me with x4 settings and fresh drivers anyway :shrug:

Hello,

I haven't any problem with
Full-scene antialiasing 8x
anisotropic filtering 16x
ZBuffer 24
With 8800GTS 512MB and new drivers from NVidia

[palilulac]

Same thing
I haven't any problem with
Full-scene antialiasing 8x
anisotropic filtering 16x
ZBuffer 24
With 8600GT 256MB and new drivers from NVidia

40-50 fps start race
120-130 fps

[dawesdust_12]

Before when I turned on AF with driver settings, in LFS and in RBR I saw these artefacts: dashes across roads. Now they are in LFS. I can't test if they were there in patch Y, but definitely they are here now, and I can't remove them at all: even with no AA/AF and minimal (most negative) mip bias, they are still there on the roads.

Detail : I got those on my iMac before with AF, but only if the MipBias was above 0, now that I have custom control of MipBias, and can set it to be 0, I have no such issues.

Maybe this helps?

[detail]

Dustin: You mean non-zero negative mipBias? I've tried both 0 and very negative mip bias (that's visible on the screenshots) and these dashes were visible in both cases.

I'll try to reinstall drivers, maybe that would work. Though, they are the first drivers on this machine.

[dawesdust_12]

Hmm, I just had another play now, at 0 they're least noticeable, but anything higher, and they become clearer than 20/20. It almost makes me wonder what would happen with a positive MipBias.

[carplayer]

It's a pity that I am using Vista...:really:

[Töki (HUN)]

It's a pity that I am using Vista...:really:

Why?

[hda]

It's a pity that I am using Vista...:really:

I'm using vista as well and everything is working fine

[Shotglass]

..............

KNOWN ISSUES :

Name of active Chinese input method is not shown in Vista

i could point out the irony of that sig hda but i decided not to

[nesrulz]

Hm...
Scawen, why combo of left view and right view is not = rear view?

Options > Controls > Buttons 2:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4899/25660066zw4.png

One for rear, yes, and combo of left and right - right and left for same thing...

Like in patch X, pls, thx.

[Not Sure]

lurk moar

[hda]

..............



i could point out the irony of that sig hda but i decided not to

eh ok, I didn't notice that carplayer is chinese and was talking about the imput method. assumed he was having graphic issues :)

[JasonJ]

I don't know if this will be of any assistance. I used to get those white horizontal lines across the roads when I pushed up AA on my ATI 9800pro and my x1950pro.

I was messing about with track texture dds files and removed the start/finish lines for a cruise server I am a admin of. Well, once the start/finish was removed, the white lines also disappeared. The texture of the white finish line seems to bleed across and onto the edges of other textures on the road where the textures join together and wrap around. I even found removing about 4 pixels of the edge finish line sometimes removed this phenomenon.

Oh well, just some FYI spam really, but if the start/finish line was moved back from the edges of the texture then this whole issue might be fixed. I dont really know how the textures map onto a 3D polygon, but I'm just guessing a white edged texture might wrap AA artifacts around to the other side of the texture when AA is applied. Although offsetting the start lines a few pixels might require some new map adjustments to make the texture "fit" again, but even a quick hack solved the problem for the experiments I did.

Have a great day all.

[BlackEye]

Hm...
Scawen, why combo of left view and right view is not = rear view?

Options > Controls > Buttons 2:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4899/25660066zw4.png

One for rear, yes, and combo of left and right - right and left for same thing...

Like in patch X, pls, thx.

By default, press left and view rotates 45° to the left. While holding left press right and view rotates another 45° making it 90° in total (this was made for cheking blind spots I guess).

Short story: It's like that so you can check out mirrors and I guess while driving IRL you don't actually look back unless you're going in reverse.

This has been argued before, little search would help but I'm on work and no time for that :)
IIRC it's not going back to the X patch system.

Now this has nothing to do with this test patch, so enough offtopicness :)

[nesrulz]

By default, press left and view rotates 45° to the left. While holding left press right and view rotates another 45° making it 90° in total (this was made for cheking blind spots I guess).

Yes default is 45° - 90°, but i use 90°.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5984/57277231ig4.png

[primmy]

Russian and Slovenian flags appear to be radioactive
please explanation!?

[Flame CZE]

please explanation!?
imo the colours seem to be too light or saturated. The colours are wrong, they say

[xt]

on last lap leading car stopped to pit and same moment it get stop-go penality.

--mybe it will help--
must to pit - yes
2 cars
2 laps
lan server
track blackwood gp
smoothness 12 packets
loosing car had penality for speeding in pits (30 seconds)
leading car had penality for late pit in (30 seconds)
leading car pit speed was less than 60
both cars was formula bmw

[gohfeld23]

There might be a leak somewhere or maybe its my aged PC but with p14, my FPS has been cut in half even when I force LFS into my old settings (AA, AF off, set everything as it was and elliminated new features). I also get MUCH more moire as well as aliasing.
I'll try to figure out what's causing it and post back.

[MaKaKaZo]

I'm having graphical problems since I used this patch. After some time running the game (like 10 mins) it's like random flat coloured triangles spawn from the horizon totally messing the image up and then my computer crashes. Is it possible that my old gfx card is dying and it has nothing to do with the game? I haven't changed any gfx options at all nor activated AA or AF in-game, but I think it has started happening since I installed Y14, though it could be a coincidence :shrug:

[AndroidXP]

Is it possible that my old gfx card is dying and it has nothing to do with the game?Yes. Very likely, actually.

[MaKaKaZo]

Yes. Very likely, actually.

I didn't want to hear the truth :D

The good thing is that eventually I'll have to update either the gfx card or the whole computer and I'll be able to switch AA and AF on :)

[CTito]

AA still doesn't work under WINDOWS VISTA X32

Plz help me!!!!

[T.J.]

I have a problem with Vista 64bit and as far as I can tell my friend with his 32bit Vista has the same problem.

So here it is: We do experience a huge FPS drop when the game runs in a window that fills the whole screen. When the window is resized to about 75% the FPS goes up by about 50-75%. If explorer.exe is shutdown the FPS goes up even 50% more in the windowed mode and about 25% in the fullscreen mode.
I can not remember to have these problems before. It also is a bit of a problem since i run a dual monitor configuration. Hope this helps.

T.J.

[AndroidXP]

Do you have Aero activated? If yes, that's your answer. It takes a good chunk of graphics processing power, so either turn that off or don't play in windowed mode.

[Töki (HUN)]

AA still doesn't work under WINDOWS VISTA X32

Plz help me!!!!

I use Vista Home Basic X32 and works fine

[dev]

I use Vista Home Basic X32 and works fine
I used to use Vista Ultimate x32 and it worked fine :)

[bbman]

Do you have Aero activated? If yes, that's your answer. It takes a good chunk of graphics processing power, so either turn that off or don't play in windowed mode.

I get that too, and I'm running XP... Mouse input is incredibly lagging, the FPS drop to diashow and my car suddenly has no skin... But as this isn't testpatch-related, I'll shut up now (unless Scawen decides to track this)...

[Tomba(FIN)]

Thanks scawen <3 Trying it right now :thumb:
E: Stunning! Great work :) LFS just went one step up of it graphics

[three_jump]

I get that too, and I'm running XP... Mouse input is incredibly lagging, the FPS drop to diashow and my car suddenly has no skin... But as this isn't testpatch-related, I'll shut up now (unless Scawen decides to track this)...

/off topic

this is more driver related, my old ati was running on some ancient driver and never had a problem until I upgraded to a newer combination

[GruntOfAction]

Since installing Patch Y14 my computer has completely frozen up twice.. No indication of it happening..Just freezes..28.5 FPS though..

Thats with all AA and AF settings to highest..Maybe I should uninstall Patch Y14 and use regular Y.

[Whiskey]

Did you try to set the AA and AFto 2x? Maybe your graphic card can't show such a high quality

[aroX123]

My lfs crashes kinda much now and i have no idea why..
It never before..
It's like frozen picture and sound going over and over again.

[AndroidXP]

Did you use AA/AF before it was implemented in LFS? If not, then it's probably your GFX card that can't handle the additional load and overheats. :shrug:

[T.J.]

Do you have Aero activated? If yes, that's your answer. It takes a good chunk of graphics processing power, so either turn that off or don't play in windowed mode.

I actually have deactivated aero, but I can play in window mode if the window is no larger than 75% of the screen. If the window is bigger than about 75% the FPS drops very much. I do not have any icons on my desktop either.

[wien]

...Do you get the same problem if you disable your second monitor?

[T.J.]

Do you get the same problem if you disable your second monitor?

I do get the same problem if I run the game in a maximized window on a single monitor. When I use two monitors I must use maximized window and not fullscreen to see the desktop and run the game in the same time.

On a earlier patch I could run the game on one screen and use the desktop and IE+WMP on the other with about 90-100FPS in 1680*1050 resolution. Now I am down to about 30-40 without AA/AF and with AA/AF enabled I have about 20-25FPS

[wien]

Now I am down to about 30-40 without AA/AF and with AA/AF enabled I have about 20-25FPSI really doubt this is caused by the test patch to be honest. Do you get the same problem in plain patch Y? If so, the test patch at least isn't to blame, and you should open a new thread in Technical Assistance instead. We can continue on there if that's the case. :)

[GruntOfAction]

Did you try to set the AA and AFto 2x? Maybe your graphic card can't show such a high quality

I'll probably have to shut both AA and AF off..Not like it made it look any diffrent, Still the same crappy looking game its been for however many years its been out for.

[wien]

Still the same crappy looking game its been for however many years its been out for.Do grow up.

[dawesdust_12]

So, when did seinfeld clone himself?

[Macfox]

Scawen, has the behaviour of the dedicated server registration process changed?

I may have just picked up on this behaviour with a recent colo outage, but if the master server is not contactable during the launch, it never retries to register, effectively requiring a restart.

If this has always been the case, I'll just add it to dedi server wish list.

[VoiD]

Watching a replay, suddenly it crashed to desktop:shrug:

[T.J.]

I really doubt this is caused by the test patch to be honest. Do you get the same problem in plain patch Y? If so, the test patch at least isn't to blame, and you should open a new thread in Technical Assistance instead. We can continue on there if that's the case. :)

I did`nt have that problem with plain Patch Y, but I just think I reformat my PC to see if that helps.

[wien]

I did`nt have that problem with plain Patch YI meant if you go back to patch Y now and see if you get the same problem. It may be something else that happened at the same time, drivers for instance.

[[RF]-art555]

This might be not the right place to post, but I've found out one bug (?) with AA in LFS Y14.

Whenever I use Fraps to record, with AAx4 fps locks at 10 fps, with AAx2 - at 14fps. Without AA - no slowdowns. Bug or not?

[loopingz]

It is normal that AA eat fps...

[askoff]

Y14 patch works fine with Nvidia Forceware 174.74 beta in Windows XP.

[[RF]-art555]

It is normal that AA eat fps...
I know but even with AAx4 I have over 120fps usually, so its not like I'm having hardware limitations, its the way Fraps and LFS with AA work together and I'm curious if this is a bug or not.

[Scawen]

New test patch Y15 :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=41313

Thanks for the testing!