Round 8 Pre-Race Discussion

[J@tko]

Final Round of Season 1 :(
Thoughts/comments

It'll be a hard race :(

FP1: 29 March 2008. 1900 GMT. 60 Minutes.
FP2: 29 March 2008. 2200 GMT. 60 Minutes.
FP3: 30 March 2008. 0100 BST. 60 Minutes.
FP4: 30 March 2008. 1545 BST. 45 Miuntes.

FYI, ATM, GMT=Eastern +4 hours, BST=Eastern +5 hours

Yes - we're into summer time :D

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

It'll be a hard race

For sure.
Having a week long break will make it more competitive too, as some will have more time to put the practice in...
It's a nice long track with plenty of places to pass & to make mistakes :D
Gonna be great I think. Especially with the car selections.
What a climax! The pole position point & fastest lap might be crucial.

Can't wait - Bring it on! :)

[evilpimp]

Indeed this is going to be very interusting :)

[J@tko]

I'm fastest so far with a 3.04.66 :D

That won't last long :D

[evilpimp]

Lol, I got a 3:10 and spun during that lap and took my time :P
Nuh uh wont last long :P

[Stefani24]

that race is gonna be worse then round 7 :(

[dekojester]

WEll, here's the championship deal.

Hyntty's win pulled him within ten of Taylor...Taylor is on 204, Hyntty, 194. Kab is not mathematically out yet, but is realistically out.

For Kab to win the cup, There need to be at least 14 racers in the classified results for there to be enough of a points spread avaialble. If kab gets pole and fast lap, there is one less finisher to worry about. Taylor effectively needs to earn less than 6 points, and hyntty less than 16, and kab MUST win in that case.

For Hyntty to win the cup, he must get pole and fast lap and finish first with Taylor finishing 9th or worse. hyntty will not win a tie between he and Taylor even if hyntty wins, as taylor and hyntty will both have 2 wins, but taylor will have 1 2nd and hyntty none (as it stands right now)

All Taylor has to do to win the title is finish 8th or higher.

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[evilpimp]

xD Taylor, good luck. If you need help during the race ill be helping you :P

Make sure you dnt drop to lower then 8th! and dont disconnect!

[hyntty]

as taylor and hyntty will both have 2 wins, but taylor will have 1 2nd and hyntty none (as it stands right now)


Wtf? Don't get it.

[AstroBoy]

His had one second while his had none whats there not to know. To my knowledge its just saying his finishing up there while the other is not.

Btw sorry for not knowing the names was just browsing.

[TomMK]

His had one second while his had none whats there not to know. To my knowledge its just saying his finishing up there while the other is not.

Btw sorry for not knowing the names was just browsing.

You mean he's (he has).

Hynnty - if you and Taylor finish equal on points, deko looks at the number of wins to decide who wins the cup. If those are equal then he looks at the number of 2nd positions you have scored. Taylor has one 2nd position, you have none, so Taylor would win the cup. I think this method for deciding a winner is called "countback".

[hyntty]

Y Taylor has one 2nd position, you have none, so Taylor would win the cup.

Didn't I finish 2nd two weeks ago? Or arent you counting r6 coz it was two seperate races?

[kABLiuks]

this will be a bit boring race... a very long track... in R7 for me was boring too, because after 4 laps till finish i was driving all alone, so i think it will be the same in R8... :)

[Technique]

this will be a bit boring race... a very long track... in R7 for me was boring too, because after 4 laps till finish i was driving all alone, so i think it will be the same in R8... :)

Agreed. I'm looking forward to this combo because I like the cars, but I'm pretty sure it will be boring after the first 1-2 laps.

[J@tko]

Agreed. I'm looking forward to this combo because I like the cars, but I'm pretty sure it will be boring after the first 1-2 laps.

/me hadn't thought of that until I changed server combo last night :(

What will make it interesting, is that the cars are so different to each other. The FZ5 is like a tank, the LX4 like a mosquito and the RAC is like, um, I don't know. Hopefully, everyone will have someone to race against.

Due to the fact that this is a really long track, there will be NO SAFETY CAR. It'll just ruin the race and make it take soooo long!

[dekojester]

NO SAFETY CAR.

I was already planning on this from the preplanning stages of the season. I will just convert the SC to a 3rd Rescue Car (still called Safety Car) to divide the track up beter to give people shoves out of gravel pits and such.

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[dekojester]

Incidentally, when the points were redid, Taylor now has to only finish 9th to win the cup.

[Technique]

hyntty, I got your PM. You don't have to worry about your friend Taylor. I'll make sure he's nowhere near the top 10. I'll make it look like an accident by choosing the RAC, muwhahah! Just focus on getting that 1st place. I accept paypal for services rendered.

[J@tko]

hyntty, I got your PM. You don't have to worry about your friend Taylor. I'll make sure he's nowhere near the top 10. I'll make it look like an accident by choosing the RAC, muwhahah! Just focus on getting that 1st place. I accept paypal for services rendered.

Oh dear. I've just got one from Taylor-Mania :D

Don't worry Taylor. As long as I take him out, you've won it. ;-)

[hyntty]

Bisquits for everyone who finish behind me and above Taylor...

[evilpimp]

I'll be helping my fellow alien. So watch out hyntty in lap 1 T1. I might get a little loose because of the tires and fishtail you in my tank. xD

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Heh, I had to laugh at you lot! But if you want to crash me you'll have to catch me first! :D

I done 13 laps today & I'm currently down to 2:56:8. I'll probably get close to completing 200 laps over the 2 weeks, so I think there's another 3 or 4 seconds to be had...

FZ5 has TC (:thumbsdow) & is too wide, but it's much faster in a straight line. It's a beast that needs taming!
The RAC is just an odd car & feels really awkward to me, but it has a turbo & isn't too shabby at cornering...if you can handle it that is.
But I'll use the LX4. Nice & nimble, but it has a low top speed in comparison & is very light...so the slightest touch could end in disaster!

I had fun lapping on my own with it so I won't get bored..but it'd be nice to find some other LX's to play with in the race, as I'm gonna go out of my way to avoid all possible contact with the RAC & FZ5!

Looking forward to it, one of my favourite combos (I don't have many) :)

[Technique]

Taylor, nice job. Even if you only dropped a second off of your time, that would put you about midfield in the Road Sport Cup league. Pretty impressive :thumb:

[hyntty]

But I'll use the LX4. Nice & nimble, but it has a low top speed in comparison & is very light...so the slightest touch could end in disaster!

I'm gonna go out of my way to avoid all possible contact with the RAC & FZ5!



So I'll have the FZ5 then... Nothing's gonna happen of cource:tempted:

[dougie-lampkin]

Yup, I reckon I'll use the FZ5 too, I will probably need TC :tilt:

[dekojester]

After the completion of the Kyoto 250, the server will be set to the LFSBC final round combo. After this is when I will post the official informations a la the other races.

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[kABLiuks]

ill take RAC. i cant win BC, so atleast i will enjoy the final race with a very challenging car :)

[TG44]

I have to remember this one!! :schwitz:
looks like a very nice combination.

Hyntty ota pytty kotiin! :D [/sorry for finnish language]

[evilpimp]

I have to remember this one!! :schwitz:
looks like a very nice combination.

Hyntty bring the trophy home!:D [/sorry for finnish language]


Psh, as much as I find that hyntty is a great racer, I think taylor's gunna win this specially if I manage to get a good quali and slow down the rest of the pack :P

[hyntty]

Not that I'm giving up or anything.... but seriously, Taylor only has to finish 9th; I hate these cars; I don't know the track; I've hardly driven any laps.... I'd skip the whole event if there wasn't a theoretical chance to win.

Though I think we are all winners here! At least those of the 50 sign-ups who bothered to show up. And a 2nd or 3rd anyway isn't too bad. And (not to brag, of course) I was pretty good, but my races often went wrong because of someone else.

This kind of league is easy to approach, when you've got no experience of anything similar. It's nearly been a positive experience till now.

[juurme]

Il take LX4, atm doing 2.55-3.00

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Psh, as much as I find that hyntty is a great racer, I think taylor's gunna win this specially if I manage to get a good quali and slow down the rest of the pack :P

Cheers for your support Pimp! I'll feel a whole better if I have you behind me fending off the rest! :D
But seriously, race me hard & go for the win if you can :thumb:

Not that I'm giving up or anything.... but seriously, Taylor only has to finish 9th; I hate these cars; I don't know the track; I've hardly driven any laps.... I'd skip the whole event if there wasn't a theoretical chance to win

Anything could happen! There's a chance I'll screw it right up for myself by mounting the curbs, hitting a tyre wall, dipping my tyres onto the grass, spinning around, hitting a wall & then finally ending up on the roof! And then you can just cruise to the victory! :nod:

Though I think we are all winners here! At least those of the 50 sign-ups who bothered to show up. And a 2nd or 3rd anyway isn't too bad. And (not to brag, of course) I was pretty good, but my races often went wrong because of someone else.

Indeed. I didn't even expect to win a race, let alone lead the championship. So if I miss out on winning the Cup i'll be happy with what i've achieved, learnt & gained from the whole experience. But if I do win i'll be even more happy! :D
And yes, you are pretty damn good Hyntty...as are others like Mr.T, Technique, Kabliuks, Juurme...etc. Of course there are many other good racers aswell, but maybe they aren't quite as fast such as Rob, Stan, Jack, Marlbro, McColl to name a few...
But I can say I've enjoyed racing with everyone & I'm looking forward to the final round.

Il take LX4, atm doing 2.55-3.00

2.55, nice! I think I got 56.08 the other day lapping offline. Looks like I need to do some more then :D
It's quite hard to put a whole lap together with no major errors. Or even a small number of minor errors can screw it up collectively. Quali will be a challenge I think. And T1 is so very narrow & sharp followed by that tight chicane...excercise extreme caution like never before everyone!

[evilpimp]

Taylor, im still thinking but I might go for the win cuz if i get it it'll mean I have the most wins in the season :P

Right now - 3 races won

Sunday - 4 races won :P! (Maybe) unless ur struggling.l

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Of course MrT!!! You go for that win!! And I'll be right behind you... :)

[Technique]

Haven't practiced much but I'm running around 2:50.9x to 2:51.2x in RAC. According to my most recent simulation, I will qualify 2nd and then spin in front of Taylor in the chicane causing him to hit the tires flipping over and getting a DQ. :)

[JO53PHS]

How accurate is your simulation? :D

Where will I finish? :razz:

[Technique]

It's very accurate. It even accounts for lag, disconnects, penalties for chatting, wrecks during SC, everything :) It says you will finish dead last. Sorry! :D

[evilpimp]

If I'm not first, its not accurate. Or else ill kill u. ::PPP

[TG44]

Psh, as much as I find that hyntty is a great racer, I think taylor's gunna win this specially if I manage to get a good quali and slow down the rest of the pack :P

i've just been pwnt. :D anyway. i think i need to start practising... :scratchch

[kABLiuks]

ill take RAC. i cant win BC, so atleast i will enjoy the final race with a very challenging car :)

sorry, cant hold RAC steady, so back to LX4 seat :) i cant understand how can you be so danm fast!! i can do 3:00, but 2:50.... cant imagine...how?? i cant find a braking point after a first long straight on the bridge, than having dificulties with that dangerous chicane wich was T1 in FEGreen round, and than those five or six last corners, wich seem to be made for drifting...

[Technique]

mwuahah, I was lying to make everyone panic and practice hard.. :) With RAC, if you don't push the car at all and just drive the safest line possible you should be able to get 2:58 easily with default set.

[Technique]

i cant find a braking point after a first long straight on the bridge

I usually drive with driving line on :( I really wish they would get rid of that feature. It's very useful because you can use it as a marker for your braking lines (whereas usually you have to use objects on the side of the road) but it's unrealistic.

On the bridge I'm 100% brakes when it's yellow but my braking distances might be slightly longer because I'm pretty bad at heal-toe. It's easy to lock the brakes there which will increase your braking time and destroy your tires.

than having dificulties with that dangerous chicane wich was T1 in FEGreen round

The chicane after the bridge section? That's actually one of the places where I have the least amount of trouble. I usually trail brake into the chicane, find a line where I can go straight through, keep the wheel straight and floor it... I think anyway. I haven't practiced here in a while. I have a feeling I can go MUCH faster through there. I'll have to analyze my time with the WR - the problem is there is no good WR for this track. The current WR runs very loose while I've seen drivers be very smooth and get equivalent times. The next WR lap is ~4 seconds slower.

than those five or six last corners, wich seem to be made for drifting...

I'm awful at just about every turn after the first 2 splits :( Through the first 2 splits I'm on pace for a good lap. All hell breaks loose after that and I usually wind up running a ~2:56. Wish I had more time to practice... :(

[evilpimp]

Erm, I'll only have saturday night and sunday morning to practice for this seeing as Kenneth signed us up for IGTC. :D!

[dougie-lampkin]

I'm just going to have a nice leisurely cruise, I can't win :shrug:

Put on some driving anthems, and use my lowrider set :D Might as well finish in style :razz:

[Technique]

haha that's cool. I'll be on another dang business trip until saturday evening. When I get back my CST pedals should be waiting for me! But they will probably have a negative impact on my times until I set them up properly and get used to them :(

[juurme]

sorry, cant hold RAC steady, so back to LX4 seat :) i cant understand how can you be so danm fast!! i can do 3:00, but 2:50.... cant imagine...how?? i cant find a braking point after a first long straight on the bridge, than having dificulties with that dangerous chicane wich was T1 in FEGreen round, and than those five or six last corners, wich seem to be made for drifting...

Just go to lfsworld and look the WR hotlap and u might learn lots of things from that :smileypul

[kABLiuks]

thank you guys :) replays or WR did not helped much, and the line sucks, because without it i can more concentrate on the road and use every inch of it :) line is helpfull only for first time runs on the track, when you still dont know it. My AI with rac does 2:57 and with LX4 2:58... its difucult, but i can stick to their ass all the track, so by cutting few corners i can do 2:55 hope :)

[J@tko]

so by cutting few corners i can do 2:55 hope :)

tut tut :D

[kABLiuks]

tut tut :D

wha ?

[J@tko]

wha ?

Cutting corners is a no-no kab :D

[kABLiuks]

Cutting corners is a no-no kab :D

just like its allowded in Hot lapping :smileypul i wont try to go throught the tyre cones :D

[dougie-lampkin]

Man I really do suck here...3.15 or something is my PB :D

I just can't drive this car class, at all lol...

[Stan]

Looks like this will be my worst round by far, can barely do a lap, never mind a laptime! :D

Looks like the LX4 is the most manageable in my incapable hands around this circuit, but it so delicate!

Although, any decent crash on this circuit will wipe the wheels off any of the cars in this class. :nod:

Fun fun fun!

[JO53PHS]

Looks like this will be my worst round by far, can barely do a lap, never mind a laptime! :D

Looks like the LX4 is the most manageable in my incapable hands around this circuit, but it so delicate!

Although, any decent crash on this circuit will wipe the wheels off any of the cars in this class. :nod:

Fun fun fun!

Will we be seeing another nice cow car to add to your collection? :D

[hyntty]

It seems like there is no setups for lx4 and fz5 for this combo, anywhere. They just don't exist, and i've got no glue of what do do with the cars. (So how the hell are taylor or juuretis doing so good laptimes:scratchch.. share share!) Conclusion: RAC. Surprizingly it's very stable if it's set up right.

[J@tko]

It seems like there is no setups for lx4 and fz5 for this combo, anywhere. They just don't exist, and i've got no glue of what do do with the cars. (So how the hell are taylor or juuretis doing so good laptimes:scratchch.. share share!) Conclusion: RAC. Surprizingly it's very stable if it's set up right.

WR setups attached.

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Yeah I'm using Pecholobo's set right there ^
I adjusted the cambers, tyre pressures & brakes to my preference for the race, so it's not too different really.
My Quali set will be identical though apart from the brakes.

I also tested the RAC a few days ago & drove 3 or 4 laps. It's not as bad as I thought it was actually... :scratchch Hmm...I might change yet, dunno.

J@tko - could you please post the Free Practice times again please?

[J@tko]

J@tko - could you please post the Free Practice times again please?

I can indeed :)

FP1: 29 March 2008. 1900 GMT. 60 Minutes.
FP2: 29 March 2008. 2200 GMT. 60 Minutes.
FP3: 30 March 2008. 0100 BST. 60 Minutes.
FP4: 30 March 2008. 1545 BST. 45 Miuntes.

FYI, ATM, GMT=Eastern +4 hours, BST=Eastern +5 hours

Yes - we're into summer time :D

[Technique]

WR setups attached.

hmmm.. where do you people get these sets? :)

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Right here http://setup.phlos.com/ :)
Infernos Setup Field is poor now in comparison.

[Technique]

Right here http://setup.phlos.com/ :)
Infernos Setup Field is poor now in comparison.

hmmmph.. updated live? It doesn't seem like they asked for permission for those setups... :(

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Hmm. That's true Tech, good point. But if you're against using them then just don't (I bet you will though?!). You asked so I told you...but now you mention it, it is a little bit bad for the WR holders actually, considering they haven't willingly shared it...

But having said that, I personally don't have any reasons to not share my setup with anyone...even if I spent 3 hours in the FPs tweaking it the best I can, I'd still share it with my competitors.
I'm reasonably confident in my racing ability to compete against anyone with the same (or different) setup.
If people feel that their setup is the main key to their success then perhaps they should focus more on their racing skills rather than the setup :shrug:

I mean I could try as hard as I can to beat a WR with the same setup from that site, but no matter how hard I try I couldn't do it.
I'd need to adjust that setup to my own preference to have a chance...not adjust my driving for that setup, you see?

That's just my thoughts anyway. I know people will feel differently, but to me it's just a setup, big deal?

[Kdovi]

[DR] Server 1 is set to this combo now. Happy practice everyone. I would also like to wish you nice season ender :tilt:

[J@tko]

[DR] Server 1 is set to this combo now. Happy practice everyone. I would also like to wish you nice season ender :tilt:

Thanks Kdovi!

And thanks for your support throughout the season :thumb:

[Technique]

Hmm. That's true Tech, good point. But if you're against using them then just don't (I bet you will though?!). You asked so I told you...but now you mention it, it is a little bit bad for the WR holders actually, considering they haven't willingly shared it...

But having said that, I personally don't have any reasons to not share my setup with anyone...even if I spent 3 hours in the FPs tweaking it the best I can, I'd still share it with my competitors.
I'm reasonably confident in my racing ability to compete against anyone with the same (or different) setup.
If people feel that their setup is the main key to their success then perhaps they should focus more on their racing skills rather than the setup :shrug:

I mean I could try as hard as I can to beat a WR with the same setup from that site, but no matter how hard I try I couldn't do it.
I'd need to adjust that setup to my own preference to have a chance...not adjust my driving for that setup, you see?

That's just my thoughts anyway. I know people will feel differently, but to me it's just a setup, big deal?

I didn't mean any offense :) After all, it's not your site! :) To answer your question nope I won't be using them - but for other reasons. I won't be able to make this race! :( Certain family stuff came up that's more important than this game - so I wish everyone luck in the final round.

Also, to paraphrase a book I'm reading, the difference between 1st place and 3rd place is the amount of work and knowledge spent tuning a car. At our level it really doesn't make much of a difference, but at the WR level I would imagine people might work quite hard working on their setups just to extract a few hundredths of a second. It should really be up to them to decide whether they want to share their hard work. Does that mean I won't use that site? Well I don't know! :) but I am going to work hard to learn how to setup my car properly... something I'm pretty bad at right now!

[Technique]

Here's some decent setups (although you may have to tweak them for the specific track).

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=37043

I was going to use the RAC setup for the final race. I was running ~2:55 with awful 2nd splits so I'm sure it can be pretty fast with a little tweaking.

[Stan]

Will we be seeing another nice cow car to add to your collection? :D

Absolutely! :thumb:

All three cars in this class waiting in my garage have been fully externally upholstered with grade 'A' cowhide. :headbang:

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

I didn't mean any offense...

Heh, none taken atall :)

I just read through my post now & there are some contradictions...such as spending 3 hours (which was a slight exaggeration) tweaking a setup but then saying the setup doesn't matter too much!

I'm also really wanting to learn how to make setups properly...I mean more than just the basics. At the moment it's just trial & error & a bit of luck to find 'the sweet spot'. I'm waiting on an updated Advanced Setup Guide & looking into the VHPA by Bob Smith which helps loads...
But at my current level of setup abilities I need something to work from, a base setup. And what better to start with than the WR?
I do kinda feel slightly guilty using them, but I do change it somewhat & I'll never beat their times so I doubt they'd care a great deal if I use it :D

I wonder how many WR's are made using a setup largely based on a past WR setup uploaded on Inferno or elsewhere...alot I think.

[TomMK]

I've been trying to get to grips with setups while this cup has been on, because i've relied too much on saying "hey [fastest driver name here], can I try your setup?" all the time. The best way ive found is to change one component at a time, and go from the maximum setting to the minimum, and learn what it feels like through exageration. So for example, using the MRT which is very responsive to setup changes, whack the anti-roll bars all the way up, and go drive 10 laps of (the awesome :thumb:) Sam Speedway, then set them to the minimum, and you'll learn instantly what a change to roll bars feels like. Now set one to max and one to min, and so on. I've played like this in single player mode for ages, it's actually quite a lot of fun :smileypul. Very time consuming tho.

[dekojester]

Just so you all know, since I am at home for the next 36 hours, my life is farked up.

I will be unable to be at FP4, for sure, as I will be en route back to Athens. I will be back in time for the quals. At least I'd better be.

d

[J@tko]

Guys, a reminder that Quali starts at 7.00 BST, not 6.40.

[Velocity.]

Sorry but i wont be able to race this weekend as stuff has come up!:(

But good luck to you all and i hope to see you again in december:thumb:

[J@tko]

Sorry but i wont be able to race this weekend as stuff has come up!:(

But good luck to you all and i hope to see you again in december:thumb:

Who said the next season would be December........ :scratchch

[dougie-lampkin]

Is 7.00 BST just 7PM when the clocks go back? :confused:

(Which would be 6PM current GMT time)

[J@tko]

Is 7.00 BST just 7PM when the clocks go back? :confused:

(Which would be 6PM current GMT time)

Yeah. :thumb:

P.S Clocks go forward :)

[J@tko]

All Competitors:

Please note that overtaking is strictly prohibited at the following corners:
Turn 2 (the chicane)
Turn 9 (the next chicane)
Turn 12 (that nasty left-right-left onto the back straight - with big kerbs)
The Last Corner.

This is to avoid large pile-ups. There are still plenty of other places to overtake (T1, T7, T8, T10, T14, T20, T21)

Obviously, if there is a car crawling along at 5 mph in front of you when you come to one of these corners, you may still overtake, but with care.

Penalties:
1st time offence: Warning (or if serious enough, DT)
2nd time: DT
3rd time: DQ

[J@tko]

@Deko

Me n Joe are using LX4, as is juuretis
Taylor keeps changing, so ive no idea :D
Hyntty is using RAC.

[dougie-lampkin]

lol ty for clearing that up :shy:

Clocks go forward? Whoops :x

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

Yeah i dunno what to use yet. When is the latest we must confirm our choice?

[J@tko]

Yeah i dunno what to use yet. When is the latest we must confirm our choice?

After FP4. For 'spreadsheet' reasons :D

[kipsus]

I'm going LX4

[J@tko]

Changed: im using FZ5 - to avoid going round in circles :D

Instead, I'll be going in very slow 3.9 mile circles :(