Season 2 Improvement Suggestions

[TomMK]

It seems like a few of the better drivers here have found the cup frustrating in terms of the attitude of a few poorer competitors. Some have even left. So for series 2, maybe there should there be some sort of qualification process, where you have to demonstrate both a good knowledge of the rules and decent racecraft. How fast you are wouldn't matter of course.

Some ideas:
Have a qualification event where the race director throws difficult scenarios at the drivers that test their knowledge of the rules and racecraft. For example, tricky combo of track and car, safety car at random intervals, a reverse grid etc.
Hide the password to [DR] Server 1 in the rulebook, at the bottom.
A written test where you PM the answers to the adminsSounds pretty draconian so I don't know how it would go down with new entrants but we can't have guys like kipsus, tg44, eveningstar all leaving because theyre fed up with "whats the safety car" nonsense.

[dougie-lampkin]

Hide the password to [DR] Server 1 in the rulebook, at the bottom.

:ices_rofl!!

Although that mightn't be such a bad idea, it does seem like a lot of people haven't read the rules :scratchch

[dekojester]

:ices_rofl!!

Although that mightn't be such a bad idea, it does seem like a lot of people haven't read the rules :scratchch

Consider it incentive to read the rules.

Put an absurd number of blank pages after. Put it in the middle of them, and say, "It's somewhere in there." That means they have ot read it to find it.

Muahahahahahahh !

[Technique]

If we don't mind turning this into an "improvements" type thread, I think there's a few things I'd change for season 2 that many may disagree with.

1) Drivers must use a wheel.
Sorry but I do not think you can properly control the car with a mouse or keyboard especially when you have cars to the left and right of you and need to make subtle split second movements. This isn't meant as an attack on anyone - I simply think it will lead to less accidents on the track. There's a big difference between running fast in qualifying laps and running safe in large fields of cars.

2) Pace car must travel at a consistent speed
Whether they do this or not in real life I'm not sure. But as beginners we obviously cannot handle doing 120mph in some sections and 40mph in other sections during safety laps (especially if the pace car drives each lap differently). If the pace car traveled roughly the same speed the entire course it would only extend the race time a few minutes. Case in point: Taylor-mania, the leader in the championship and one of the more respected drivers in this series almost wiped out rob in the last race because he had to brake from 100+mph down to a stop.

3) Pace car must use a wheel
Sorry but in order to drive a consistent speed, you need an analog pedal.

4) The rules can be better defined - look at the IGTC rules.

5) I happen to like IGTC's rule on safety period restarts than what we currently have:

"2.6) When the green flag is shown, the SC period and full-course yellow are ended and drivers may resume racing. Drivers may overtake as soon as the green flag is shown. However, beginning or completing a pass before the green flag flies will result in a DT if caught by the marshals. If successfully protested post-race, this infraction will receive a C1 penalty."

The reason is related to items 2 and 3 above. But also because this is a beginners league with all different types of skill levels, some people are just plain slow during restarts! If you're behind a less experienced driver, you are penalized because you must wait for him to cross the finish line before you can pass. This can cost you several seconds and you may never catch up to the rest of the field due to the short races.


With all that said, I had a blast during all the races I participated in.

[J@tko]

I just happenned to be making an improvements log for next season at the mo. I'll add some more and get back to you all.


1) Drivers must use a wheel.
Sorry but I do not think you can properly control the car with a mouse or keyboard especially when you have cars to the left and right of you and need to make subtle split second movements. This isn't meant as an attack on anyone - I simply think it will lead to less accidents on the track. There's a big difference between running fast in qualifying laps and running safe in large fields of cars.

Certainly not :( (:D)
I use a keyboard and havn't hit anyone all season. (yet :))
This merely discriminates against people without wheels. (and who else, apart from me, races with one?)


2) Pace car must travel at a consistent speed
Whether they do this or not in real life I'm not sure. But as beginners we obviously cannot handle doing 120mph in some sections and 40mph in other sections during safety laps (especially if the pace car drives each lap differently). If the pace car traveled roughly the same speed the entire course it would only extend the race time a few minutes. Case in point: Taylor-mania, the leader in the championship and one of the more respected drivers in this series almost wiped out rob in the last race because he had to brake from 100+mph down to a stop.

+1. The SC needs to go quicker down the straights, but slow down in the corners to a constant speed. So, for example, (@ Blackwood) travel flat out (depends on car, obviously) down the back straight (to save time), and then (for example) 70 mph in the corners, consistently.


3) Pace car must use a wheel
Sorry but in order to drive a consistent speed, you need an analog pedal.
+1.

4) The rules can be better defined - look at the IGTC rules.+1. Work in progress.


5) I happen to like IGTC's rule on safety period restarts than what we currently have:

"2.6) When the green flag is shown, the SC period and full-course yellow are ended and drivers may resume racing. Drivers may overtake as soon as the green flag is shown. However, beginning or completing a pass before the green flag flies will result in a DT if caught by the marshals. If successfully protested post-race, this infraction will receive a C1 penalty."

^


With all that said, I had a blast during all the races I participated in.

Great :thumb:

[Technique]

Certainly not :( (:D)
I use a keyboard and havn't hit anyone all season. (yet :))
This merely discriminates against people without wheels. (and who else, apart from me, races with one?)


I knew this was going to stir up a debate :) But that's good. There can't be any progress otherwise. Many new players use keyboard and mouse. I too used the mouse when I started and was quite fast. Still, I feel the lack of proper control leads to incidents not only during the race but also during the SC periods. Mouse users have to keep rapidly clicking in an attempt to drive safely behind someone.


+1. The SC needs to go quicker down the straights, but slow down in the corners to a constant speed. So, for example, (@ Blackwood) travel flat out (depends on car, obviously) down the back straight (to save time), and then (for example) 70 mph in the corners, consistently.
I don't agree with that though. That's exactly the problem I stated. Because they speed down the straight and then slow down hard for the turns it causes a chain reaction. Better drivers may not have a problem with this but this is a beginners league.

Look at one of the IGTC race replays. The pace car does 60mph around the whole track both on the straightaway and turns.

[TomMK]

Keyboard and Mouse driving should be allowed i think. It's not an enforceable rule and it discriminates against the exact audience we're out to attract - beginners. Plus, look at round 1 at blackwood, final lap, Jack and Marlboro had an awesome dual, right on the limit, and Jack uses a keyboard.

Green Flag message = overtaking allowed is perfectly reasonable but it must be made absolutely crystal clear as it's not the normal procedure in high profile racing (F1, Indycar etc). You could put in on the screen with the green flag message eg; Green Flag - Full race conditions now - Overtaking allowed NOW - GO GO GO!!!!. :razz:

Pace car at a consistent pace ala Technique is a good idea, both in that it reduces the "accordian effect" of spreading out on straights and bunching up at corners, and also, if the safety car was doing 49mph on the pit limiter all the way round, less laps would be needed, as a lap would take ages.

I'm dead serious about the password hidden in the rule book. Just put a short sentence half way through the red flag procedure for instance, in bold. Anyone who asks what the password is will clearly not have read the rules before trying to join [DR] Server 1. Don't use the word "password" either as people could open the rulebook and search for "password". If they're that bothered about racing with us they'll find it.

[Technique]

Good points Tom. I was probably out of line with that statement. I watched a few replays from some of the bigger racing leagues and there appeared to be a couple of mouse users that seemed to do fine.

The green flag overtaking probably has more to do with the poor restarts than "slower" drivers.

[Bean0]

Just a thought from me.

How about requiring CTRA Bronze license to race in the series ?
It really isn't hard to obtain, and should prove tht people have experience of racing in a field of cars.

[TomMK]

Good points Tom. I was probably out of line with that statement. I watched a few replays from some of the bigger racing leagues and there appeared to be a couple of mouse users that seemed to do fine.

The green flag overtaking probably has more to do with the poor restarts than "slower" drivers.

Nah I don't think it was out of line. I hadn't thought about the green flag idea too hard but of course it does allow overtaking of slow cars much earlier, so I'm all for it now. If only I could race on Sunday evenings!!

[TomMK]

Just a thought from me.

How about requiring CTRA Bronze license to race in the series ?
It really isn't hard to obtain, and should prove tht people have experience of racing in a field of cars.

Interesting idea. The LFSBC put itself out there to be the league that drivers go to first, before places like CTRA, though. What do you need to get a bronze license

Sorry for double post.

[MR_B]

Have a sign up form. With a tick box saying they have read, accept, and understood the rules of entry. Then when they don't abide by them. Slap the taste out of their mouths and toss their asses out of the league.

[DieKolkrabe]

Have a sign up form. With a tick box saying they have read, accept, and understood the rules of entry. Then when they don't abide by them. Slap the taste out of their mouths and toss their asses out of the league.

Isn't that copper? Bronze requires you to get points AFAIK.

DK

[J@tko]

Just a thought from me.

How about requiring CTRA Bronze license to race in the series ?
It really isn't hard to obtain, and should prove tht people have experience of racing in a field of cars.

Interesting idea. The LFSBC put itself out there to be the league that drivers go to first, before places like CTRA, though. What do you need to get a bronze license


That would be a pretty good idea if everyone used the CTRA servers, or if I forced everyone to use CTRA servers. Already, I've checked all entrants to ensure they have no infractions on CTRA, but only about 2/3 had ever raced there. As a guide, it took me 1 month-a day to get Bronze, including several 30+pts on UF-BR.

Is there any way I can check whether participants have ever been banned from any server?

Have a sign up form. With a tick box saying they have read, accept, and understood the rules of entry. Then when they don't abide by them. Slap the taste out of their mouths and toss their asses out of the league.

I saw you did this for the stock car league, and thought 'what a neat little idea' Will be implemented for season 2.


List of all improvement suggestions for Season 2 so far coming tonight.

[JO53PHS]

I saw you did this for the stock car league, and thought 'what a neat little idea' Will be implemented for season 2.


List of all improvement suggestions for Season 2 so far coming tonight.

Can I bagsie making the form lol? :tilt:

Or do you want dekojester to do a posh PDF :D

Or will we have an online one?

[Technique]

I've only joined a CTRA server once so I doubt I have any sort of license. The whole points system and license stuff seemed a bit overkill to me for pickup races.

I am one of the original members of the clean racers club though! :thumb:

[J@tko]

Improvements log attached.

Renamed thread to 'Season 2 Improvements (started from entry requirements)'

EDIT: NO COMBO SUGGESTIONS PLEASE.

[JO53PHS]

EDIT: NO COMBO SUGGESTIONS PLEASE.

Thats so cheap :razz:

Did you thing any more about UF1 @ AS Cadet rev?

Can I bagsie making the form lol?



Or do you want dekojester to do a posh PDF



Or will we have an online one?


^^

[J@tko]

Thats so cheap :razz:

Did you think any more about UF1 @ AS Cadet rev?

Yes. Not going to happen (reverse at least)




^^

What form?

[Marlbro]

Drivers must use a wheel.
Sorry but I do not think you can properly control the car with a mouse or keyboard especially when you have cars to the left and right of you and need to make subtle split second movements. This isn't meant as an attack on anyone - I simply think it will lead to less accidents on the track. There's a big difference between running fast in qualifying laps and running safe in large fields of cars.
What next?..All racers should be able to get 60fps with full detail with a full field?
It seems to me from what I've seen during and after races that more crashes are caused by low frame rates or near draw distances than have been caused by not using a wheel.
This is simply Elitist. :really:
Plus, look at round 1 at blackwood, final lap, Jack and Marlboro had an awesome dual, right on the limit, and Jack uses a keyboard.
And I use a Joystick...

Oh and not to sound too negative, I'd like to put forward the idea of "fixed setup races".
I think some people who are members of teams have a much easier time getting a good setup, beginners tend to struggle with this.

[Technique]

What next?..All racers should be able to get 60fps with full detail with a full field?
It seems to me from what I've seen during and after races that more crashes are caused by low frame rates or near draw distances than have been caused by not using a wheel.
This is simply Elitist. :really:

And I use a Joystick...

Oh and not to sound too negative, I'd like to put forward the idea of "fixed setup races".
I think some people who are members of teams have a much easier time getting a good setup, beginners tend to struggle with this.

You're right. Apologies if I offended anyone. I think just seeing the pace car swerve left and right into the grass at like 30mph using keyboard more than once made me think this way! :) And in the pace laps... mouse users are 100% throttle off 100% off 100%. If this was a league for just XFG or XRG cars I would have never said that as I believe those cars can be easily controlled in a field of cars using keyboard or mouse. I guess you guys will have your chance to prove me wrong in the final race where throttle control really matters! :)

Anyway, I think the fixed setup idea is great.

[TomMK]

Fixed setups are nice in theory, but I like my car set up differently to you, and you want it different to Jack, who..... :smileypul

See, I thought learning about setups would be one of the elements to this series. I'm all for using other peoples to learn, but although I didn't race, I was practicing for the BMW's at Aston Club with a setup I did on my own and it's awesome when you make a little tweak and gain 2 tenths. Part of the fun. Plus you learn stuff.

edit: I just went and looked at the times you guys were setting at Aston Club and now I'm put off racing you - 1.05:500?!!!! I'm 2 seconds off that, on a course with 2 turns. wtf!

Also, @ Jack, if we're doing alternate weekends, can we have a non-championship event each week in between? Maybe at a different time (so I can race :D)

[J@tko]

Oh and not to sound too negative, I'd like to put forward the idea of "fixed setup races".
I think some people who are members of teams have a much easier time getting a good setup, beginners tend to struggle with this.

Nice idea - will consider it for a car where the setup doesn't make that much difference

Also, @ Jack, if we're doing alternate weekends, can we have a non-championship event each week in between? Maybe at a different time (so I can race :D)
+1

[JO53PHS]

You have PM.

I don't like the idea of setup fixing, because some setups I just cannot drive with. Some setups I like others may hate :shrug:

[hyntty]

I too am not keen on fixed setups. Even though I'm personally not very good with setups. I know roughly around four settings, and how they change the balance. Normally I've just got an inferno setup, used my über-four-setting-setup skills, and surprizingly all has gone well. Furthermore, I can't remember when someone's got an No-I'm-not-gonna-share-my-set-'coz-I'm-a-selfish-bastard-answer to a set request.

Then there was the sc procedure thingy. Ideally you'd wan't to have a NASCAR-style green flag. But since there has never been any proven correlation between americans and common sense (no offence) it'll have to be discarded. The brilliance of the widely used formula1 style procedure is that when the leader of the pack is in charge, all cars are in a neat queue, and nothing will happen before the s/f straight. Normally the leader starts to accelerate a in the most convinient spot - it's not always the s/f straight or the last turn. This forces everyone to drive safe. There will be some gaps between cars, and therefore fewer accident's.

[J@tko]

Normally I've just got an inferno setup, used my über-four-setting-setup skills, and surprizingly all has gone well.

Sounds like me :D

[Marlbro]

I can't remember when someone's got an No-I'm-not-gonna-share-my-set-'coz-I'm-a-selfish-bastard-answer to a set request.
Yeah maybe not exactly that answer...but I have seen MANY requests blanked...:(
I've also seen on these very forums people sharing setups "but it's not my real race setup" :really: why?
Maybe sharing should be compulsory. I understand the desire to win but we are supposed to be a community and like has been said before, you might not like the setup but somthing in it might help your setups.

[JO53PHS]

Well there's a perfectly good setup sharing thread that seems to have been dead since R3 :shrug:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=38570

[Technique]

Yeah maybe not exactly that answer...but I have seen MANY requests blanked...:(
I've also seen on these very forums people sharing setups "but it's not my real race setup" :really: why?
Maybe sharing should be compulsory. I understand the desire to win but we are supposed to be a community and like has been said before, you might not like the setup but somthing in it might help your setups.

To be honest, atleast in this league it really doesn't matter if you're using a good setup. A good setup won't help you become a better driver, which is the real goal of the LFSBC. You can only become a better driver through practice.

In round 5, I qualified 9th out of 18 with an hour of practice on race day using the default race_s FOX setup. If I had practiced a full week on the default setup I would guess I might be able to drop my time a full second or so. That would have put me near the top in qualifying times...

The people usually asking for sets are those who show up right before the race is about to start with no practice! :) The right setup isn't magically going to allow them to run with the leaders....

[Marlbro]

The right setup isn't magically going to allow them to run with the leaders....
Before I bought a licence for LFS I ran quite a lot of laps on BL in the FBM.
I couldn't imagine how the racers on there were getting the times they did...even though I practiced a lot I was way off.
I asked a fellow demo racer for his setup and within 2 laps I had cut nearly 4 seconds off my lap time, it made that much difference.
It was this that helped me make the decision to buy the licence.
I thought I could now run with the big boys. It might make the difference of 2 seconds or 0.2 but it makes the driver think wow I CAN do this, it might be the difference between showing up for a race and not. There is nothing worse than struggling at the back with no clue how to fix it...I know. :shrug:

[J@tko]

I asked a fellow demo racer for his setup and within 2 laps I had cut nearly 4 seconds off my lap time, it made that much difference.


Same here.

Another example would be the 750 WR setups I've just got. My first try with them was on Race 1 @ Fern Bay Gold Rev. I swear that WR setup is the best setup I've ever driven with. It suits me perfectly. :shrug:

Back on topic:

I'll think about the fixed setup races more.
I'm proposing a mass pre-Season 2 msn conversation to discuss things like this before we start Season 2
Season 2 will probably be either before Xmas '08, or over Xmas '08 and into '09.

[Technique]

Before I bought a licence for LFS I ran quite a lot of laps on BL in the FBM.
I couldn't imagine how the racers on there were getting the times they did...even though I practiced a lot I was way off.
I asked a fellow demo racer for his setup and within 2 laps I had cut nearly 4 seconds off my lap time, it made that much difference.
It was this that helped me make the decision to buy the licence.
I thought I could now run with the big boys. It might make the difference of 2 seconds or 0.2 but it makes the driver think wow I CAN do this, it might be the difference between showing up for a race and not. There is nothing worse than struggling at the back with no clue how to fix it...I know. :shrug:

I think the big difference here is you were trying hard to get better. Some people just show up before the race and ask for sets! :) I don't mind sharing sets with people who are working hard for it. Still, with the exception of the last race, which I put alot of work into, I've been using default sets with little practice and have been running midpack?

[J@tko]

I think the big difference here is you were trying hard to get better. Some people just show up before the race and ask for sets! :) I don't mind sharing sets with people who are working hard for it. Still, with the exception of the last race which I put alot of work into I've been using default sets with little practice and have been running midpack?

I have to say I'm guilty of piking other people's sets!

Round 1: Used my old trusty XFG setup - no idea where from
Round 2: Nicked someone's
Round 3: Um, can't remember (probable nicked)
Round 4: Used inferno Blackwood set
Round 5: Used Taylor's
Round 6: Would have used one that someone sent to me
Round 7: See above
Round 8: WR setup.

[JO53PHS]

I have to say I'm guilty of piking other people's sets!

Round 1: Used my old trusty XFG setup - no idea where from
Round 2: Nicked someone's
Round 3: Um, can't remember (probable nicked)
Round 4: Used inferno Blackwood set
Round 5: Used Taylor's
Round 6: Would have used one that someone sent to me
Round 7: See above
Round 8: WR setup.

R1: -
R2: Nicked from Evening Star
R3: Nicked from Hyntty
R4: -
R5: Nicked from Jack
R6: Nicked
R7: Default
R8: Probably nicked or home made :D

[Technique]

I have to say I'm guilty of piking other people's sets!

Haha. Well I didn't mean I was against sharing sets... I just think it's more proper to ask for sets in a practice session or in the forums "before" the race is about to start. :)

[J@tko]

Haha. Well I didn't mean I was against sharing sets... I just think it's more proper to ask for sets in a practice session or in the forums "before" the race is about to start. :)

+75 million.

Especially those who ask 'how much fuel for the race?'

Do it beforehand
It takes some very simple maths.

[Marlbro]

I really wouldn't like the job of fixing the problems with the first season, because to be honest I've had more fun in the free practice sessions chattin' shit and junk than in the few races I have attended, but that's not what you want for a championship...:x

If there was anything I would change it would be...
1. A later start time...but that is purely personal and wouldn't expect everybody to agree. At least I could race then.
2. Longer races. More chance to catch leaders or overtake.
3. Fixed Setups or setup sharing...already discussed.
4. Less emphasis on SC laps and more on racing.
5. Points for Free Practice attendance.
6. Less kneejerk reactions to problems... i.e. Changing the whole calendar because of one bad race...I was looking forward to Kyoto in the FBM :D

[J@tko]

1. A later start time...but that is purely personal and wouldn't expect everybody to agree. At least I could race then.

Day may change for season 2. We'll see when it is first.

2. Longer races. More chance to catch leaders or overtake.
Hmm, me thinks that it's about fine ATM. If the 'endurance' race is a success, then race length may be increased.

4. Less emphasis on SC laps and more on racing.

+1
5. Points for Free Practice attendance.

+1 (That'll get mistatea on the server :D) Or some sort of reward.

6. Less kneejerk reactions to problems... i.e. Changing the whole calendar because of one bad race...I was looking forward to Kyoto in the FBM :D

Yeah - that was a kinda panic attack reaction to Round 2. :( We know what we're doing (kinda :)) now, so these problems shouldn't occur in the future.

[Technique]

+75 million.

Especially those who ask 'how much fuel for the race?'
Do it beforehand
It takes some very simple maths.

haha. well I'm guilty of the fuel bit because I stopped attempting to do simple math after I got my college degree :) i didn't think people cared about that! :)

[JO53PHS]

+ ∞

For longer races. If you spin your race is pretty much finished. I would say we should have races of about 15 laps (give or take a few laps, depending on the combo) :)




6. Less kneejerk reactions to problems... i.e. Changing the whole calendar because of one bad race...I was looking forward to Kyoto in the FBM


Seriously, you should be glad we made those changes. We made them so that there was less chance of the race being a total disaster (like race 2)

[TomMK]

Season 2 will probably be either before Xmas '08, or over Xmas '08 and into '09.

But... but... I WANT TO RACE!!! :weeping:

Why that long? I thought we'd just start again straight away, with a month long run up to the first race like we did in January.

And regarding setups - why not say instead that you have to make your own setup, rather than use a WR one or nick someone elses? Hard to enforce probably but worth a shot.

[JO53PHS]

But... but... I WANT TO RACE!!! :weeping:

Why that long? I thought we'd just start again straight away, with a month long run up to the first race like we did in January.

And regarding setups - why not say instead that you have to make your own setup, rather than use a WR one or nick someone elses? Hard to enforce probably but worth a shot.

Think about the other New Dimension Racing Events:

Easter - The Kyoto 250
Early Summer - The Kyoto 500
Autumn ish Time - Ickle Endurance Evenings
Christmas Time - LFSBC Season 2

Remember that these things don't just happen. They need organisation, which takes time. We can't do it straight away because we have the Kyoto 250 and 500 to sort out, as well as lives to live :)

[TomMK]

Of course, I'm not underestimating that at all. Was tongue in cheek :)

I do think the lfsbc should capitalise on it's momentum, use a few weeks off to sort out the first series issues, and get going again. LFS needs a decent rookie league.

[JO53PHS]

Of course, I'm not underestimating that at all. Was tongue in cheek :)

I do think the lfsbc should capitalise on it's momentum, use a few weeks off to sort out the first series issues, and get going again. LFS needs a decent rookie league.

I would much rather we plan this years LFSBC better, rather than rush into it.

[hyntty]

I'll think about the fixed setup races more.
.

Don't! Remember R2? Surely you understand, that I can drive with your setup as badly as you drive mine. Yes, it is a beginners cup, but beginners have driving styles too.

PS. About sharing setups. I've got 964 different ones, (since TG44 decided to send me his inferno-patchx-to-patchy collection.) I haven't bothered to search for the right one and post it in the forum. It's just easier to share my current set at FP. Which I can't always do right away (and probably forget by when I atually got time), 'coz I like to drive too at practise sessions... So if you don't get a reply for a request, ask again in a while. Someone is bound to say something.

[TomMK]

How about staging the events in such a way that allows demo racers to participate in say, the first 2 events? Round 1 this series was Demo-friendly, how about round 2 on blackwood reverse in the FBMs? It might encourage some demo-ers to race for 2 rounds and then buy S2. The safety car would have to be the XRG in both cases.

[DieKolkrabe]

How about staging the events in such a way that allows demo racers to participate in say, the first 2 events? Round 1 this series was Demo-friendly, how about round 2 on blackwood reverse in the FBMs? It might encourage some demo-ers to race for 2 rounds and then buy S2. The safety car would have to be the XRG in both cases.

Err..BL Reverse isn't in the demo any more, AFAIK

DK

[kipsus]

I'd like more clarification on times and dates.

That is, time in both 24h and that am/pm thing (I keep wondering "is it morning or evening" every time)

Then there should always be GMT time (or UTC if you prefer). I had to actually look "BST" up on Wikipedia to find out that it's British bla bla bla when it actually is just GMT+1h

Not that I have a huge problem with that but why complicate things?

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

And i'd like the server to be set the correct combo for the race day. The final Free Practice right now before the race, & it's the wrong combo :)

[JO53PHS]

And i'd like the server to be set the correct combo for the race day. The final Free Practice right now before the race, & it's the wrong combo :)

Its on the right combo now :)

[TAYLOR-MANIA]

As the Championship Winner of your first LFS Beginners Cup (I just had to get that in one last time!), here are my suggestions for you -


A round per fortnight with a mid-season break.
More laps - 10 or more will alleviate the now-or-never mentality.
Less safety cars - If it's on the roof its DNF'ed, don't use rescue cars to flip cars back up on the track.
Some race incidents should only be investigated if a complaint is lodged by someone involved.
A stricter no-chat policy - make this & it's consequences crystal clear from the get-go.
Keep the number of threads on the forum to a minimum if possible.
Perhaps do something to stop the strongest competitors from dominating the table. A weight handicap maybe, 1KG for every 5 points or something like that.Take what you've learnt from us in the races & choose the cars & tracks accordingly.
We all know that FE Rally+Beginners=Bad. You will probably know what provided the best/closest/cleanest races.

I liked the diversity in the LFSBC, try to keep that.
Less Fern Bay though next time...use South City.

How about using the car classes in order of difficulty & power. In this order -

1. FR (XFG+XRG)
2. TBO (XRT+RB4+FXO)
3. LFR (LX6+RAC+FZ5)
4. FWD GTR (Juniors, balanced properly!)
5. GTRs (FXR+XRR+FZR)
6. UF1 @ Rally?
7. SS (MRT+FBM+FOX).

Doing it that way would really help the competitors to improve their racing as the league progresses.
As a league focused on giving people an introduction to league racing, you should also take it upon yourselves to not only show them how to race in a league environment, but do everything you can to help the drivers improve their racing aswell...

I think the whole experienced/rookie-multi-league/classes thing isn't such a good idea. Keep it simple. Besides, I'd be surprised if you managed to get enough drivers to do that multi-league thing with.
If anyone from this season applies for the next then give them a priority based on their final standings. A lower finisher = a higher chance of entry.

Consider it all.
Thanks again & best wishes in advance for your next Cup.

[JO53PHS]

A forgnight will give more time for noobs to practice :D
I agree with you on this - some of the races were over before they had begun, what with SC periods and so on.
We will definitely have less SCs
Hmmm... :shrug::D
Yes
I have been trying to keep it tidy but now Jack thinks I'm a forum cleanup whore :shy::D

[J@tko]

Thanks for your input guys.

Me, Joe and Deko will be discussing these before the next season starts.

Now, please can I ask you for opinions on the following things:


Points system - fair? (including sprint and enduro race points)
The different race styles we used (1x double sprint race and enduro)Cheers guys - congrats to you all.

[hyntty]

Consider changing the points system, so that only, let's say 7 out of eight, counts. This way
1) you wouldn't have to necesasarily take part in all races. You're allowed to have a life. Though it is highly unlikely, that a lfs racer has one.
2) you could get a way with a retirement. This would be fair since, this beeing a dangerous league there are all kinds of rescue cars on track.

Then, it should be mandatory to take part in practise/test sessions. Let's say off-season (or mid-season brake) tests too, with people practising together. But not with very strick participation perceents or anything, people are entiltled to have a.... nah, there won't be anyone who's got a life for starters.

Furthermore, I have one cunning plan which I doubt anyone will understand or like: Divide contenders in teams. Not because of a team championship, but because in a team there is a team leader responsible of the drivers. This hasn't been a problem this season, because all drivers I've raced against have been really focused on their driving, but this kind of an arrangement would make sure no-one comes without any practise to a difficult track and ruines everyones race.

Lastly, more race control. Deko did a fantastic job, nut one man can't watch everyone. Why not get a few more people to oversee things, to be referees.

EDIT: noticed a typo, but it's better off wihtout editing

[dekojester]

Lastly, more race control. Deko did a fantastic job, nut one man can't watch everyone. Why not get a few more people to oversee things, to be referees.

That was part of my plans with having the Rescue Cars...they'd also be in charge of watching this area...I put them at places where there was most likely to be trouble.

I did realise after Round 2 that having them try to flip binned cars was silly. I have them there to push you out of the way, or to the pits if you run out of petrol or something like that.

Also, they are NOT under ANY circumstance to be on the racing line when there are other cars coming from behind in the same sector as the Course car. They are to pull as far off the line as possible, and slow to a slow speed, such as 30-40 MPH, or stop, to let anyone through. But then again, they should be either in their hole or by a car in a yellow flag area to begin with.

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[pacesetter]

I didn't like the safety cars. the reason to this was that the races were too short, :shrug: but other than that i was happy with the league.

Thanks to the admins for arranging the league, i had a blast.

And thanks to all the competitors for some good racing:thumb:

[dougie-lampkin]

All good improvement suggestions, was just about to post something similar :x I particularly like the 7/8 one :) I was really pi$$ed of that I missed 1 event :(

(BTW, when is signup for Ickle Endurance?)

[JO53PHS]

All good improvement suggestions, was just about to post something similar :x I particularly like the 7/8 one :) I was really pi$$ed of that I missed 1 event :(

(BTW, when is signup for Ickle Endurance?)

IEE starts around autumn time - we will probably open the sign ups once we have dealt with the aftermath of the Kyoto 500 :D:schwitz:

[dougie-lampkin]

:ices_rofl! I'd love to do the 500, but I know I wouldn't be able to stay on track for that long :schwitz:

[Technique]

Anyone involved in moderating the race (safety/rescue/control) should know what they're supposed to be doing before the race as well as knowing all the rules.

I believe in a few races some volunteers came in and weren't sure of either their role or some of the rules (example: no chatting).