Well i am done with S2...

[ViperNYPD]

ive given it planety of chances...tried to learn the cars and all....but it just gets way out of hand when u tap the gas and the car flies around in donuts...that just isnt right at all. The developers should really consider doing a "keyboard lite" patch to this game because it has the potential to be amazing..i pray that they do that.

btw..not everyone has a wheel...and willing to shell at 40 for one...

[garph]

Demo racer? The XRT is pretty easy to handle compared to the other RWD's! Even I can get it round a corner!

Plus if you make it easy to handle with KB it kind of defeats the idea of the game. Try some easy to drive sets and change your KB settings, there are some good KB settings around some where.

[Forbin]

Also try the mouse. Make sure you're pretty well straightened out before you hammer the gas, maybe even tap it a little before hammering it.

You can't expect the rear to not come around if you're pulling a good 0.8-1.0 g's laterally and suddenly hammer the gas. There's just no grip to spare for that.

[keiran]

You got to remember this is a simulator and that the aim of the devs is to simulate racing as accurately as possible. Therefore in real life you use a steering wheel so in the game you should use a steering wheel for best results. LFS has little to none driving aids and thats how it should be kept. I remember Scawen posting (think it was RSC) that he would remove everything from the game that wasn't their in real life from the game or something along that lines if it was up to him. Don't quote me on that last line though will need to do some searching at RSC if I can be bothered :p I'm sure it was about some sort of pit spotter or something like that.
Anyway I've seen people doing decent laptimes with a keyboard/mouse combo so it's possible.

Keiran

[Bob Smith]

The XRT handles pretty sweetly, and the XRG requires effort to spin (with a stable set). Just practise more and drive less aggresively. If you still are still using the default sets, perhaps my "easy race" sets will help lessen the problem. :)

[XCNuse]

why dont you wait a little while longer to see what all scawen fixes with the tire patch that hes about to start working on.. hm?

[Tweaker]

btw..not everyone has a wheel...and willing to shell at 40 for one...

Well don't expect any simulation to be drivable with keyboard or mouse. If you want to get involved with a great driving game, it is a must that you buy a wheel. That is one reason why simulations don't grow as big as arcade racers, because most people are forced to buy a wheel. But in the end, it is WAY more enjoyable and interactive, you'd be missing out on a far greater experience.

[geeman1]

btw..not everyone has a wheel...and willing to shell at 40 for one...
I really don't get people who say that they won't have money for LFS license or wheel.

$40 can't be that hard to get. You can make that in a day at work easy ($5/h and 8 hour day) and if you are too young to work in "real" jobs you can always do household jobs for your parents, I am sure you don't have to do much to get a $40 wheel. If you don't want to spend that money on accesories for your PC so you can play games better, maybe you shouldn't play simulations.

[micha1980de]

i like what just happened here...

in my understanding, the spirit of driving just begann to manifest.
someway naive i know, but thats how i'd like the world to be...
more optimistic.

[Gabkicks]

well... if you find the xrt hard to control. then you are either not very good or dont have your controls set up well. :scratchch
Its a great game and you'll just be missing out by staying in demo. IMO, you cant really enjoy the game as much with a kb or mouse as you can with a wheel. I started off playing using mouse to steer but ended up buying a wheel to use for this and gt3.. and then eventually buying the Driving force pro.

the DFP is under $100 in many stores. thats 50 bucks less than what i payed for it last year.:thumb:

In the meantime. seach for a L337 keyboard/mouse user and ask him how to set up your pc.

[Lautsprecher[NOR]]

ive given it planety of chances...tried to learn the cars and all....but it just gets way out of hand when u tap the gas and the car flies around in donuts...that just isnt right at all. The developers should really consider doing a "keyboard lite" patch to this game because it has the potential to be amazing..i pray that they do that.

btw..not everyone has a wheel...and willing to shell at 40 for one...
I dred the day you get your real drivers license. Yankin full lock @ 200 KM/h. and wen you lay there in a ditch you cry: "NFS:U made me do it" :pillepall
Goodbye Viper, you WON'T be missed in the LFS community.

[Batterypark]

Lautsprecher, it's people like you that make me wish *I* wasn't a part of the community.

[XCNuse]

just do as his signature says (just replace so with to)... works every time ;)

[Gabkicks]

Lautsprecher, it's people like you that make me wish *I* wasn't a part of the community.
i feel the same way. no need to be so harsh.:shrug:
Sure he may be used to arcade games, but most people will be these days. i'd only played games like granturismo, ridge racer, and a few arcade pc games before i got lfs.

[Mekaza Bitrusty]

Lautsprecher, it's people like you that make me wish *I* wasn't a part of the community.

I second that comment. Lautsprecher should change his name to loudmouth. Comments like that do nothing to help people. Take note from the first few replies. They were all helpful and suportive. You need to learn from that.


Viper, you need to get a wheel. Kb just aint right for a sim.

[XCNuse]

wheels arent expensive, if your looking at logitech.. yes.. because thats high quality stuff (that sometimes has problems.. then again.. dont all things have some type of flaw in them?)

if you can, check out ebay, you can get nice wheels for extremely low prices, once i found a DFP on ebay for 20$.. ya.. really i know, keep in mind, ebay will make sure that the product is what the owner says it is, if not .. well.. not sure what happens, i just know they get into a little trouble

you might have something break or something go wrong, but for everything.. there is a way to fix it... always (if you say cant, then thats different, cant means you either dont want to, or you dont know how to, so if you dont know how to.. well thats okay) but ya.. ebays a pretty good place, dad bought an old zenith radio that uses tubes off ebay and fixed it up, had a few things wrong with it, but hey.. sounds great now lol

[L(Oo)ney]

Lautsprecher, it's people like you that make me wish *I* wasn't a part of the community.

The "community" feeling of LFS died long ago (for me anyway), now its just another bunch of people playing the same game. Nothing feels special about it anymore.

The LFS scene just isnt as good as it used to be back in the old days.

Anyone remember getting weekly updates, new screenshots, the devs hiding things in the screenshots, making us look at them for hours on end to see if we could spot the hidden cars ect?

Man, i wish we could have those days back. Its kinda boring round here now without this stuff.. :(

[XCNuse]

^ yep.. just like i said.. i didnt want it to get to big, now its .. not really small and happy family, now its like.. a whole city or something

[Racer Y]

ive given it planety of chances...tried to learn the cars and all....but it just gets way out of hand when u tap the gas and the car flies around in donuts...that just isnt right at all. The developers should really consider doing a "keyboard lite" patch to this game because it has the potential to be amazing..i pray that they do that.

btw..not everyone has a wheel...and willing to shell at 40 for one...


Uh, no you haven't :) use the mouse, That's what I started with. And yeah
a wheel IS hard to afford these days...well A decent one anyways.
It took 6 months of saving and research before I could get mine :)
Also, there was a sort of "K/B lite" thingee with the original S-1. It made
things really easy for the K/B....Too easy. The Mouse isn't easy either, but
to me it was alot more fun to use.

And Off topic: I dunno what's up with people lately on these forums.
'Tis the season to be jolly I guess........

[Tweaker]

The "community" feeling of LFS died long ago (for me anyway), now its just a bunch of people playing the same game.

The LFS scene just isnt as good as it used to be back in the old days.

Anyone remember getting weekly updates, new screenshots, the devs hiding things in the screenshots making us look at them for hours on end to see if we could spot the hidden cars ect?

Man, i wish we could have those days back. Its kinda boring round here now without this stuff.. :(

Yep, that was pretty fun back in the day... But that was all because S2 was coming out, now it is out, and there isn't much to hide or surprise us with. :(

[L(Oo)ney]

Yep, that was pretty fun back in the day... But that was all because S2 was coming out, now it is out, and there isn't much to hide or surprise us with. :(

Yeah i guess you're right, still makes me feel sad knowing these days are over though. :(

I loved it when all the lfs peeps was looking at one picture for hours on end, trying to figure out if those 10 pixels far off in the distance was actually a new car, or just the XF_GTI.

One picture with a few odd pixels could create a 10 page thread back then! LOL

Good times. :thumb:

[Tweaker]

I know, that was like a different kind of 'hype' (hate the word, heh), it was excitement and everyone was anxious to know more. The fact that everyone is playing what we were all so excited about... really just means it won't be like that for a while I'll bet. UNLESS the devs wanna get S3 production previews on the roll soon, which would be nice... but it seems S2 final is still on their schedule, and I guess we'll have to wait till that passes :shrug:

[ViperNYPD]

FYI i am a hardcore racing sim freak. I love the gran turismo serise and anything car simulator.

my beef, and only beef, is that as soon as i touch the padel it spins..its forcing me to buy a wheel just to enjoy it. there should be a medium.

[Forbin]

I got news for you, Viper, Gran Turismo is not a sim, not even close. It's merely somewhere in the gray area between the sim experience of LFS and the full on arcade of the recent NFS games.

As I suggested before, try the mouse. I tried it a little while ago when I didn't have my wheel for a short period of time and found it much easier than the keyboard.

[Gabkicks]

see he really is a newbie. Probably never even driven a real car.:shrug:

If he's smart he will seek enlightenment here. :)

[Tinytacohead]

Everybody's right here Viper.. you need to AT LEAST snag a joystick or somthing, and then spend some time setting up how it functions in the game. No true simulator is going to perform very well utilizing a keyboard/joypad etc. A joystick isn't near as good as a wheel, but leaps and bounds better than using the keyboard/mouse IMO. As for wheels, they aren't that expensive these days. Heck, you can get the DFP from tigerdirect.com for $69 after a $10 rebate, and that's arguably one of top two wheels you can buy, complete with forcefeedback. Even a cheapo wheel from Wal-Mart is going to be better than trying to use the keyboard though, and better than a joystick IMO. On occasion I borrow my buddy's ooooolllld Thrustmaster GP wheel from the mid-90's, (with a USB adaptor, because everything was still gameport back then, haha), and it's great. It's 10 years old and beat to heck too. Get a stick, and/or a wheel. Even the demo is worth it. As for the GranTurismo series, I'm one of the hardcore GT guys from day-1.. That game's great, but not a full-on simulator. It's also specifically designed to drive well, using a joypad type input device - and even then, gameplay benefits greatly from a wheel.

[StanleyCarter]

FYI i am a hardcore racing sim freak. I love the gran turismo serise and anything car simulator.

my beef, and only beef, is that as soon as i touch the padel it spins..its forcing me to buy a wheel just to enjoy it. there should be a medium.

sorry Viper, this is a racing simulator, a game that simulates real life driving, the target audience are mainly focused on sim racers, it was never intended for arcade players.

If you really are a hardcore sim racer, then you should really consider getting a wheel.

its funny when you tell people:

"yo I'm a hardcore sim racer"

"cool, what wheel do you use?"

"no, I use k/b"

"..."

so if you really can't afford a wheel, well then sorry, nothing much you can do, and you can't expect the devs to accomodate the k/b users, that's just not the LFS way (well you should feel lucky you could even move the cars in LFS with a k/b lol :razz: ) , like others said, try MOUSE.

or you can try saving up money for a wheel, I'm sure it ain't hard if you're really a "hardcore" sim racer. :)

[Racer Y]

FYI i am a hardcore racing sim freak. I love the gran turismo serise and anything car simulator.

my beef, and only beef, is that as soon as i touch the padel it spins..its forcing me to buy a wheel just to enjoy it. there should be a medium.

ROFL WHy don't you read a few posts on different threads on this forum
before you say that?

There's Set ups made specifically with K/b in mind

Yeah The GT series is ok I guess... but the GTA series is waaay waaay
better.
In Gran Tourismo, you just lower the car to an ungodly level and uprade
as fast as the car place deal will let you. At least In Grand Theft Auto,
You can Put on Hydros, Nitro and there's visible damage...Man I love the damage in that game :trampolin

And there's nothing in LFS that "forces" you to buy anything... Did you
Buy the Demo? DO you have to pay for some gamer subscription nonsense to play it online? The demo is free to play online even. How many other games offer a demo that's playable online?

And if you really must know the truth... This game is hard to learn
no matter WHAT device you use. LOL you'd probably Spin out just as fast
with a wheel as what you do with the K/B.
When i went from mouse to Wheel, My times were slower for about a month and I don't EVEN know how many wrecks I caused. :shrug:

I dunno for sure cause I don't play them, but aren't most of the high end flight sims geared for flight yokes/joysticks instead of the K/B?

[ViperNYPD]

i may end up buying a wheel..but i gotta say..it wont be for a while...i might just get used to all the cars and there handling characteristics in the meantime.

and yes..i am a sim freak..so dont call me an arcade racer, i view that as an insult to my lively hood. :D

[Tinytacohead]

Ebay dude.. I bet you could find one like my buddies old Thrustmaster wheel for like 15 bux or so, lol. Or even a joystick.. if you have a computer you should keep a joystick around. ;)

[TagForce]

i may end up buying a wheel..but i gotta say..it wont be for a while...i might just get used to all the cars and there handling characteristics in the meantime.

and yes..i am a sim freak..so dont call me an arcade racer, i view that as an insult to my lively hood. :D

Just out of curiosity... Which sims do you play?

[Valkyrie]

I'm kinda new to the online Race sim's and when i first got LFS i could't go round a corner or even in a stright line :schwitz:
so instead of quitting I look for help and got some easy setups (ThXs Bob Smith) now i'm going round with respectable
laps times and enjoying the game a lot more than i did when i first started what you have to realise is 4 things

1. Get a good Setup

2. Use a wheel or joypad

3. Learn the cars and the tracks

4. Get the S2 Lience

and you will have hours of fun online

[SamH]

i may end up buying a wheel..but i gotta say..it wont be for a while...i might just get used to all the cars and there handling characteristics in the meantime.

and yes..i am a sim freak..so dont call me an arcade racer, i view that as an insult to my lively hood. :D

Am I missing something here? Don't you need an S2 licence in order to "get used to all the cars"? Were you S2-licenced and are now DEMOted? I'm confuzzled.

I totally agree with the comments regarding wheels. The keyboard is not a tool for a DRIVING simulation, and LFS IS a simulation, not a game. I got the LFS demo on the recommendation of a friend, and I started out with a joystick. I bought a wheel very quickly, along with my S2 licence, when I realised that LFS lived and breathed the physics I had been seeking. I upgraded my wheel to a FF wheel after a couple of weeks, and experienced revelation #2.. the realism of the simulation was further improved as I felt the road up through the servos in the new wheel.

I hope you do get a wheel, and get your S2 licence, and begin to experience the REAL LFS, which I think both of these items require. If it never happens, I hope you at least go knowing that the thing that failed you was not LFS, but was the keyboard :)

[Fonnybone]

my beef, and only beef, is that as soon as i touch the padel it spins..its forcing me to buy a wheel just to enjoy it. there should be a medium.

There is, it's called an analog gamepad ;) I've been using my old playstation dual-shock controller since the beginning. I've used
a few wheels now and then, but to me, nothing beats the practicality and feel of those PSX controller, i just wove 'em.

[PLAYLIFE]

ive given it planety of chances...tried to learn the cars and all....but it just gets way out of hand when u tap the gas and the car flies around in donuts...that just isnt right at all. The developers should really consider doing a "keyboard lite" patch to this game because it has the potential to be amazing..i pray that they do that.

btw..not everyone has a wheel...and willing to shell at 40 for one...

I had it tough also at the beginning but you can have fine races with keyboard... u need to just:

1) increase rear downforce a lot compared to front downforce,
2) move the 1st gear (and in the beginning 2nd) gear slider to the left by a lot lot lot.

and that's it.

I almost exclusively drive FOX and that's very enjoyable :)

RAC is difficult for everyone - u r not the only one :D

[felplacerad]

yes lautsprecher, you might wanna try to be a little more helpful.

[micha1980de]

well as it's name states:

laut=loud
sprecher=speaker

any further questions?

[ScarySquirrel]

well as it's name states:

laut=loud
sprecher=speaker

any further questions?

lol, nice touch

[dontsimon]

I have a very ropey, very old thrustmaster wheel with spiky pots gathering dust in my cupboard. Piece of crap really.

Refused to work on my nforce2 mobo so I bought a DFP.

If you want to hop on a plane and pick it up it's yours. For a can of classic coke that is. Haven't been able to buy that stuff over here since 1987.

[Tinytacohead]

does it have analog "pedals" on the wheel, 2 buttons on the wheel, and 2 buttons on the "dash"? if so I bet it's the same one I have sitting in the corner here, haha. - it's my buddies that I use here and there. after the holidays are farther behind I'll be getting a DFP though..

[dontsimon]

does it have analog "pedals" on the wheel, 2 buttons on the wheel, and 2 buttons on the "dash"? if so I bet it's the same one I have sitting in the corner here, haha. - it's my buddies that I use here and there. after the holidays are farther behind I'll be getting a DFP though..

It does have analogue paddles on the wheel. The shifter paddles are barked though.

And I don't remember how many buttons it has. It's in a cupboard over six feet away from where I'm sitting - I can't be arsed to check.

The resolution of the wheel pot is terrible though, only about 120 steps compared to the optical DFP's several thousand (14 bit I think).

The FF is better though than the DFP. It's belt powered, has no notchiness and also doesn't slack about the centre. As I said though, the pots are all screwed - screwyer than screwey mscrewey getting screwed with a big screw. The pots are screwed is what I'm trying to say.

[Rtsbasic]

I felt you pain once..when I found this game, I thought NFS:U was as good as it gets. I started out on kb, back when it was really easy with a keyboard, but then they changed the kb code..and I switched to my joystick, on which I must have done hundreds (maybe a couple of thou?) of miles on. All the cars that were in S1 can be very fast with a joystick. One day I thought sod it, and brought an S1 licence, and a wheel in the same day, not looked back since. Not tried any S2 cars with a joystick..wheels too much fun. Infact I brought a DFP a couple of months back (ended up getting two new ones for free..long story), and its great.

So the long and the short of it is..use ANY sort of analog input you can. It is not possible to control a sim with a keyboard. I don't know what sims your used to..but I've yet to encounter a semi decent one that you could actually play on a keyboard (Gran turismo while very, very fun isn't exactly a sim). Gamepad's, joystick, ideally wheels (even the old wheel I have - MS sidewinder, can be brought for around £3 off ebay, and its built to last).

[dontsimon]

Actually there is a small subculture of GPLers who are negative at GPL rank on GPL on a keyboard. Most of the folk here would never be negative with a wheel if they tried for the next five years.

Not suggesting sims shouldn't be played with wheel (wheel all the way here) but it can be done. I actually played LFS on keys between wheels for a couple of months, and even held a few top times - kb times that is, and there were plenty of wheel users below me. Wheel will always be fastest and most realistic though, obviously.

[nosliw]

...are all screwed - screwyer than screwey mscrewey getting screwed with a big screw. The pots are screwed...

I see... :really:

[Tinytacohead]

Hahaha, guess it's screwy.. "mine" is before feedback was around, or at least anywhere near affordable. It could use a full dissasembly/cleaning, has some slack in centering, and isn't the smoothest wheel by any means, but I'd still take it over a keyboard/mouse input setup, hands down. Like I said, I bet you could find one like it on Ebay for like $15 shipped too, lol. I myself won't play a driving simulator if I have to use the keyboard for bas/brake/steering. I'll try it for a few minutes, if I've never seen/played it, but I'd never want to try and actually "race" that way. Same way for flight sims, if I don't have a stick I'm not flying, and if it's not a twist-stick, I'm not buying. (and it's gotta have forcefeedback for me to really enjoy things/fly to my extent)

[jaimi]

FYI i am a hardcore racing sim freak. I love the gran turismo serise and anything car simulator.

my beef, and only beef, is that as soon as i touch the padel it spins..its forcing me to buy a wheel just to enjoy it. there should be a medium.

no one is forxcing you into anything. I started out oon keyboard. I hated it, so i bought a pad (had 2 analouge sticks and vibration......i can still feel the rumble) and it only cost me £20 (okay you can get cheaper ones now for a round £10. I found it fun, played it the way i used to play GT, no wonder i got booted from so many servers (sorry I was learning) and crashed, ALOT. but got the hang. Now I bought a wheel (got it cheap £35), ive seen it online for $20 US (they stopped making them now so are trying to get rid of them fast).
Keep at it the game is great and worth purchasing the full version as its even better. And if you want some quiet space online to practise buy an s1 license and play online the servers are very quiet now.

ITS A fun game (sorry) SIMULATOR.

[jaimi]

its funny when you tell people:

"yo I'm a hardcore sim racer"

"cool, what wheel do you use?"

"no, I use k/b"

"..."



Thats a bit on the harsh side, ive played with folk (and many of my friends) and they all use K/B they love the fact that it is a sim and they dont bother with the wheel. to each there own. I was racing earlyer today with someone who used a flight stick to play.
The tool to play the game is not important

BAD WORK MEN BLAME THERE TOOLS.

I suck at the game and i use a wheel but its not the wheels fault. I was faster with the keys (but they got rid of the K/B Help and aaarrrrrgggghhhhh a wall!), that wasent the keys doing either.

[zorrofox]

I started out on lfs using a Logitech dual analog gamepad then moved onto a Logitech DFP. My times are better now but I could quite believe my times would have improved even if I'd stuck with the pad. At least a pad isn't too expensive.

Thing is, I'd rather use the wheel even if I was quicker with a pad. It's a "s-i-m-u-l-a-t-i-o-n".

The point is to enjoy it. If you can't do that, using whatever, then stop playing it.

[-=Macky=-]

I have to agree - I first tried LFS on my PSX Gamepad, and whilst it was great for the demo cars, loads of fun in fact, once I got S2, I was horrified. I kknow what Viupers referring to, it's as if after you've shelled out 24 quid, the game, and all it's new cars, suddenly turns round and bites you on the arse, and you spend more time looking out of your side windows than your windscreen when going round corners.
I honestly thought I was never gonna get used to the likes of the FOX or the FZR - they just seemed impossible to drive on a gamepad. I got me a Formula Force Pro for 50 quid, and it transformed the game again. A couple of weeks perserverance and PRACTICE and now hardly anyone shouts at me on public servers for spinning out on T1.
The high end cars are difficult - that's all there is to it.Playing on a pad or keyboard is going to test your patience even more, to the point where Viper has clearly run out of it. This game (SIMULATION!) has several minimum system requirements, and they're nowt to do with your grafix card or CPU -

1 - 2 gig of Patience RAM
2 - Keyboard (for chat only)
3 - Monitor (to Hammer Head Against)
4 - Joypad Minimum (Easier to throw at screen than a wheel)
5 - Preferably a Wheel of some description.
6 - Pedals
7 - Pedal Upgrade v1.0 (light right foot revision)

Finally, I admire anyone playing on mouse / keys, having anything like decent lap times using those methods is a Titan effort. AS for just keys - my god. And no-one is a racing sim freak without a wheel. You just aren't.

I'm a guitar freak!
What sort of guitars do you own?
I don't.
Oh.
:nod:

[Tinytacohead]

:thumb:

[F.L.C]

Yea using a keyboard is pretty tough, just gotta stick at it though.

[Ben-Pepito]

I use a keyboard and in the demo I could run with the best of them. You jsut need to be light and quick on the keys. Turning up the volume and listenign for a skid helps to.

[-DrftMstr-]

(well i'm finally here my torque homies:D)

ok i'm on kb too and lemme say that it's not that easy... consistency and hard work is the key to sucess (sorry for the fortune cookie crap). You need to fine tune the kb settings in the options menu, a right setup is required also. One tip, a setup made for wheel is the worst for kb (i'm talking about drift), the steering response is crap. As others said, you need to pay attention to the sound and look closely as your front wheels to give an indication of your car... cuz lemme tell you that on a drift, tire squeals and the counter steer on the front indicates me alot of things which compared to a wheel-er, he feels the force feedback

good luck:thumb:

[Takumi_Project.d]

playing lfs with a keyboard and finding it difficult? let's compare to reality...

------------
let's imagine for a moment, trying to drive an actual car with digital controls.

no matter how softly you press the gas/accelerator pedal, it goes straight to 100% full throttle, off instantly back to 0%. same with brakes, soon as you touch the pedal lightly, they're instantly 100% applied.

steering, you can only turn the wheel at one linear speed, and unable to hold the wheel still in any position except full lock in either direction, or straight.

sounds like a receipe for crashing and spinning out, yes?

[Hankstar]

For a laugh I tried using my Logi Momo Racing to drive in GTA 3: :rofl: was the result :D Totally digital, on/off steering and throttle (and brakes for that matter) but with a wheel and pedals! An utterly ridiculous but pretty funny exercise. Blew up a serious amount of rolling metal and upped my body count considerably doing that :D

I can only imagine playing LFS (or GPL, which is hard enough when you're a beginner even if you have a good wheel) with a kb is similar but the other way around :)

[xapexcivicx]

(well i'm finally here my torque homies:D
Hi hi :)


Let me just say. My pedals from my DFP are broke at the moment. And guess what I don't do? Play LFS. Why? Because playing with keyboard+mouse is utterly retarded when you have played with a wheel.



Just giving you an idea of how much better it is. ;)

[Racer Y]

Hi hi :)


Let me just say. My pedals from my DFP are broke at the moment. And guess what I don't do? Play LFS. Why? Because playing with keyboard+mouse is utterly retarded when you have played with a wheel.


Dude, that's no excuse. You been playing long enough to know how to fix them in your sleep. :)

[Gabkicks]

Hi hi :)


Let me just say. My pedals from my DFP are broke at the moment. And guess what I don't do? Play LFS. Why? Because playing with keyboard+mouse is utterly retarded when you have played with a wheel.



Just giving you an idea of how much better it is. ;)
at least i'm not alone in my sorrow:schwitz: my wheel broke last week. dfp just turns left and right, then makes a strange noise... sorta like the noise the old hanheld nintendo made when turning on.

[banger]

well im into driving sims,i only reasonly brought the wheel m8,so what makes you think everbody needs to drive a real car.im play sims because i like them
ranging from gtr to mercedes benz trucks.

stick with it m8,i had the same feeling has you, you can;t learn to drive in a few days. it will be many years before your confident enough to drive prefectly.

[-DrftMstr-]

Hi hi :)


Let me just say. My pedals from my DFP are broke at the moment. And guess what I don't do? Play LFS. Why? Because playing with keyboard+mouse is utterly retarded when you have played with a wheel.



Just giving you an idea of how much better it is. ;)
just one thing Ven : :razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::D

[XXXg3]

ok it seems this thread is pretty wrapped up but I felt like posting so here goes...
Ditch the kb and use the mouse, I used the mouse while playing the demo without changing any of my mouse settings and managed to run a 1:26.47 around Blackwood GP in the XRT. It really isnt hard at all once you get used to it. I had the same exact problem as you when I started out and now I cant even understand how I sucked so much, just takes time and practice practice practice.

[robt]

well im still on keyboard a year later, as i have no room or money, and i hate the idea of using the mouse i cant do it. still, i dont do too badly. think i got a 1:25.8 in the XRT the other day (hadnt used it since august) im alright on other track/car combos, it isnt the end of the world (though i want to improve on a 1:01 round fegreen reverse in the Fo8)

[xapexcivicx]

just one thing Ven : :razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::D
I'm Apex. haha:thumb:

[NetDemon01]

Dunno how late I am, this might have already been suggested. A lot of people here would consider me a noob because of my post count. But I've been around LFS for a long time and I have never owned a wheel for my PC. Forget all these people saying "you MUST buy a wheel or it wont be a simulation!!!!!"...give it a break. I played with KB for a good while on S1, then bought a "PS2-type" controller from walmart, thats right, WALMART, for less than $20 and I've been using it ever since. You get the one with two joysticks and it gives you analog steering, brake, and gas. You don't need a wheel to enjoy this game, trust me.

I can't wait for the typical response "you dont drive a real life car with a controller, you shouldnt do it in lfs"....seen it many times, give it up. We're all sitting our asses in front of a computer screen to play lfs, not every aspect is going to be like in real life. Certain parts of this community tick me off, which I guess would be the reason I've been registered for over 2 years and only have...3 posts?:scratchch

[Hankstar]

The thing about this game that really ticks me off is when I see a kb/mouse racer who's faster than me! As a result I'm ticked off all the time!

:D

[tristancliffe]

Dunno how late I am, this might have already been suggested. A lot of people here would consider me a noob because of my post count. But I've been around LFS for a long time and I have never owned a wheel for my PC. Forget all these people saying "you MUST buy a wheel or it wont be a simulation!!!!!"...give it a break. I played with KB for a good while on S1, then bought a "PS2-type" controller from walmart, thats right, WALMART, for less than $20 and I've been using it ever since. You get the one with two joysticks and it gives you analog steering, brake, and gas. You don't need a wheel to enjoy this game, trust me.

I can't wait for the typical response "you dont drive a real life car with a controller, you shouldnt do it in lfs"....seen it many times, give it up. We're all sitting our asses in front of a computer screen to play lfs, not every aspect is going to be like in real life. Certain parts of this community tick me off, which I guess would be the reason I've been registered for over 2 years and only have...3 posts?:scratchch

I think thats great! I can't drive with keyboard, mouse, PS2 controller or anything except a wheel, but if you can, and you enjoy it, then I am all for it.

The only thing that annoys most people here is when someone is complaining that they use a kb and it's not very easy or realistic. Then we tell them if they want realism buy a wheel (it IS the most realistic, you have to admit that).

If people are happy with their controller, and realise the limitations/advantages/disadvatages of both, then I don't care if they use their penis and some electrodes to steer, or a £3m recreation of the space shuttles docking joystick.

[Racer Y]

...... then I don't care if they use their penis and some electrodes to steer.....


I dunno... you'd have the Camel Toe crowd upset if that was to happen