4 door car

[Supra1993]

I think LFS should definately have a car that has 4 doors. We got hatchbacks, coupes, every type of road car pretty much, but we dont have a 4dr. It should be a 4 door with front or all wheel drive. The engine size should be around 2000cc to 3000cc in size, and it should be a little more for driving then for racing.. i guess a good example would be a Subaru WRX, (2000cc, 227bhp, and awd). What do you guys think?

[tristancliffe]

How does the number of doors make any difference?

[XCNuse]

weight ;)

[tristancliffe]

Ah yes, the 4 door is heavier, so it would be slower. Do we need to add uncompetative cars to LFS? ;)

[shim]

4 door cars could be good for drift.. more weight towards the rear.. :P

[MyBoss]

Imagine yourself going through the chicane on Aston Historic in 150kmh in a 4 doored saloon like Bentley :-D

[micha1980de]

Ah yes, the 4 door is heavier, so it would be slower. Do we need to add uncompetative cars to LFS? ;)

erm, uncompetative cars...
let' see all non tbo,gtr cars i guess. theire there already
or could someone please explain to me what's so exciting racing a cart like vehicle?

sounds dull i know, but is it this british thing of small things?
don't want to be misunderstood <img>

[Rotary]

Ah yes, the 4 door is heavier, so it would be slower. Do we need to add uncompetative cars to LFS? ;)

Yeah, a BMW M5 is pretty slow and uncompetative...

[Hyperactive]

Yeah, a BMW M5 is pretty slow and uncompetative...

Well on track...fast...(not fast) :)

[Matrixi]

Wouldn't mind having a Lotus Omega lookalike in LFS actually.. :nod:

[Jakg]

Wouldn't mind having a Lotus Omega lookalike in LFS actually.. :nod:
an ordinary 3.2 v6 omega will do fine!

[Slaughterofthesoul]

Ah yes, the 4 door is heavier, so it would be slower. Do we need to add uncompetative cars to LFS? ;)

Sorry but i would like to see 4 door cars. Just gives the game more cars to drive then 3door ones all the time.

[Rotary]

Well on track...fast...(not fast) :)

I'm so confused... what exactly do you mean? :)

LFS only has "on track"

Anyway, Aussie V8 Supercars have 4 doors, 600hp+, 1350kg's and reach speeds up to 300km/h on some tracks. That's somewhat impressive. :)

And like Slaughterofthesoul said, it gives a greater varitey rather than all these 3 door cars we have now. I would like a greater varitey in engines too, way to many 4 bangers in LFS. I have nothing against 4 bangers, but more than half of LFS cars are 4 bangers... just a rough guess but I think 14 out of LFS's 18 cars are 4 bangers.

[Hyperactive]

I'm so confused... what exactly do you mean? :)

LFS only has "on track"

Anyway, Aussie V8 Supercars have 4 doors, 600hp+, 1350kg's and reach speeds up to 300km/h on some tracks. That's somewhat impressive. :)

And like Slaughterofthesoul said, it gives a greater varitey rather than all these 3 door cars we have now. I would like a greater varitey in engines too, way to many 4 bangers in LFS. I have nothing against 4 bangers, but more than half of LFS cars are 4 bangers... just a rough guess but I think 14 out of LFS's 18 cars are 4 bangers.

I just missed one word in the middle: "that". (Should have been: "Well on track...fast...(not that fast)") Yes it actually is quite fast: link (http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=638161#post638161)

Hmm, according to that list C6 vette is slower than Viper. I thought Viper has the worst suspension ever seen in a sportscar... And the BMW M5 is slower than the M3, but not on straight, I guess ;) And Honda NSX = Honda S2000 :D

And no idea how they have measured those times (same driver, traffic, etc...?)

[Vendetta]

The more cars, the better :) As long as its not that stecki model, that definatly doesnt belong in LFS. Dont get my wrong, stecki is amazing at modeling, i admire alot of his work. The stecki model was some sort of futuristic car, that looked like it belonged in an arcade game, not a sim. Theirs nothing wrong with a four door (five counting the back) Hopefully the devs wont try this classes crap, and just make it in a class of its own.

[Rotary]

edit: crap, hit quote instead of edit.. LMAO. Scroll down please, nothing to see here.

[Rotary]

I just missed one word in the middle: "that". (Should have been: "Well on track...fast...(not that fast)") Yes it actually is quite fast: link (http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=638161#post638161)

Hmm, according to that list C6 vette is slower than Viper. I thought Viper has the worst suspension ever seen in a sportscar... And the BMW M5 is slower than the M3, but not on straight, I guess ;) And Honda NSX = Honda S2000 :D

And no idea how they have measured those times (same driver, traffic, etc...?)

ahh, thanks now I understand! :thumb:

Sure the M3 is quicker than the M5, but no matter how fast a car is there will always one day be something faster. Tristan made it sound like a 4 door car is always slower and uncompetative because of its extra weight... well correct me if I'm wrong, but if there was a M5 type vehicle in LFS it would probably eat XR GTT's for breakfast and shit out FXO's. :D

It would be uncompetative though, it would be faster :D . Just because a vehicle is heavier doesn't mean its slow and just because it has 4 doors doesn't mean its heavy either. To me, anyone who thinks that is being a little naive. Besides, 4 doors makes it easier for the passengers and gives you more room for sex in the back seat :D

Nice link :thumbsup: I have no idea as well, but sure looks good on paper.

Edit: Look how close the times are for a Stock M3 and Stock M5.

"BMW M3 1:16.3 min 8.22 min
BMW M5 1:17.6 min 8.28 min
BMW M5 1:16.5 min 8.13 min
BMW M6 1:14.4 min 8.09 min

BMW M3 CSL 1:13.5 min 7.50 min"

Of course the M3 CSL is gonna own. :D Go the M6!! Must be faster than the M5 because it has two less doors... so then why is the M3 slower (excluding the CSL)? The M3 is much lighter than the M6, has the same number of doors yet slower? :p :razz:

As you can see, its not the number doors or weight of the vehicle that counts - its the entire package. So for variety, bring on the 4 door cars!!!

[Gimpster]

A nice looking generic sedan woudl be nice, somthing with a v6 or i6. Also need some more larger cars, there are plenty of street cars any new ones should be race prepped. Even a few new smallers race prepped cars would be cool just to give some more chioces.

[Hyperactive]

Nice link :thumbsup: I have no idea as well, but sure looks good on paper.

Edit: Look how close the times are for a Stock M3 and Stock M5.

"BMW M3 1:16.3 min 8.22 min
BMW M5 1:17.6 min 8.28 min
BMW M5 1:16.5 min 8.13 min
BMW M6 1:14.4 min 8.09 min

BMW M3 CSL 1:13.5 min 7.50 min"

Of course the M3 CSL is gonna own. :D Go the M6!! Must be faster than the M5 because it has two less doors... so then why is the M3 slower (excluding the CSL)? The M3 is much lighter than the M6, has the same number of doors yet slower? :p :razz:


Don't have a clue, but maybe that slower M3 is with automatic gearbox... Or it was raining :D And if that M5 time is done by some of the ring-drivers (who usually drive with M5 around the track) it's no surprize that they go faster in it than in M3. Or the M5 had it's speed limiter "turned off". Veery long straight there at the ring ;) But I'm really surprized if M5 is faster at ring than an M3!

[Rotary]

The M3 wasn't auto, probably a shit driver or rain :D .. The time for the M3 SMG is a lot slower.

Actually, those times were are done in completely different years. 2000 for the M3 and 2004 and for the second M5 time I believe. The first M5 time was recorded in 1999.

[Bob Smith]

Yeah, 4 door cars will be good, will make it much easier for all those passengers in the back to get in and out. :)

[wheel4hummer]

Maybe now we can have taxi's in LFS? Drive around in south city, and pickup fares! lol :D

[Nick_ll]

How does the number of doors make any difference?
Weight, rigidity and aero to an extent because the cars with 4 doors generally have a different roof line so there is room for the head of the passengers in the back.
That said, the weight difference isn't that much. For example here I have the stats for this year's civic. 2dr vs 4dr, all manual transmissions, lower trim level on the left, weights in kg.

4dr: 1199 1210 1224 1227

2dr: 1178 1189 1206 1227

So that said, I believe there should be 4 door cars in LFS for realism. I don't know how it is in Europe, but around here I definitely see more cars with 4 and 5 doors than 2 or 3. People buy them for the very logical reason that they are more practical in everyday life. So if LFS represents reality, it should include 4 door vehicles IMO.
Then my subjective opinion is that a sports sedan looks better than a coupe.

[Rotary]

Yeah sometimes a car looks better as a sedan than coupe... but then some coupes look better than sedans :D

Sometimes a longer wheel base improves the vehicles handling too (provided its not extremely long).

[wheel4hummer]

(provided its not extremely long)

Like a strech limo? :D THATs what we need :P

[speedway]

Go the M6!! Must be faster than the M5 because it has two less doors... so then why is the M3 slower (excluding the CSL)? The M3 is much lighter than the M6, has the same number of doors yet slower?

off topic:

why could the m3 be slower than the m5? well.....lets take a look at the stats

M3: 343hp
M5/M6: 508hp

does that answer your question? :D

in spite of less weight, the m3 looses time on straights due to way less power

on topic: why would you want a 4door car that would be alot heavier than the similar tbo's....isnt the rb4 heavy enough already

[wheel4hummer]

Corvette Z06 = 505HP, but its closer to the M3's weight.

[ajp71]

This thread is turning into a load of bollocks, there are no solid facts in it. Nurburgring times vary from driver to driver/conditions/traffic/exagerated claims, the fact remains that neither a standard M3 or M5 is setup for hard racing use, none of the cars in LFS are even remotely 'standard' they all have thousands of pounds worth of racing suspension components in them, in a lightly tuned race setup trim an M3 will be a lot faster than an M5, being able to do 200 mph is completely irrelevant, a well driven race prepared E30 M3 could easilly keep up with a new M3 CSL, for the simple fact it would be running track orientated tires and suspension as well as being a lot lighter.

Power isn't necessary to go fast, a well setup car is, the cars on that list of Nurburgring times will vary a lot depending on the state of the cars used, if it's a list compiled from public laps some will be tuned, if it's a list of manufactuers claims that's the biggest load of shite one could possibly use, Porsche claimed the Carrera GT did a sub 7 minute lap of the 'ring, they've since been forced to admit that they never timed it and it's actually 30 seconds slower than it *might* have been.

The fastest road legal lap of the 'ring was by the Radical SR8, in 6.55, 30 seconds a lap faster than any other road car, proof of how far 350 bhp can take you, in a well refined, but still fairly basic spaceframe chassis.

[sinbad]

Lots of fun, fast and interesting 4 door cars out there, (road and race). Would be stupid to exclude them solely on the basis that they have a couple too many doors.

Comparative times are irrelevant, as is the suggestion that 4 door cars are "uncompetative". Uncompetitive? That makes no sense unless you say what they are uncompetitive with, which is impossible because there's so many 4 door saloon cars.

[DmcL]

sierra sapphire cosworth.. 2wd or 4wd :D