buying parts for the car??

[letitb]

I rekon it would be good if you could build up the car you want... for example the credits you win wiht racing you can use them to build up the car the way you want to..

Like for example there would not only be turbos but supercharges, and boost will be a great thing aswell and another great thing would be changing the look of your car.. like buying wheels or a body kit or change the interior... or even change the drivers clohtes gloves and helment..

this would be great because everyone then really can be different from each other.... this would be great :smileypul

Tell me what you think about this idea plz:smileypul

[tristancliffe]

New races will only be able to have rubbish cars, and races will be won on car modding ability not driving ability.

So, I don't think it'll work.

[Lautsprecher[NOR]]

Go play NFSU, and "STFU" :P

[STROBE]

Tell me what you think about this idea plz:smileypul
Honestly?


I think you're a touch confused, and need to go here (http://www.ea.com/official/nfs/underground2/us/home.jsp).

LFS is about racing, not rudeboy bodykits, nos bottles, neons, spinners or bolt-on turbos. :shrug:

And no, nobody would really look different from each other. Every other car would simply look like it crashed through the window of an automotive accessory shop and all the bits just stuck. In much the same way that ricers claim their 106 is unique because they've debadged it, smoothed out the door locks and put a huge spoiler on it. So it's totally unique... apart from the one behind it which has had exactly the same things done to it. :pillepall

[Tweaker]

Every other car would simply look like it crashed through the window of an automotive accessory shop and all the bits just stuck.

LAFF!!! :D :nod:

[deggis]

LFS = GT4. Not.

[micha1980de]

first, agreed.
but how come, every car has some "special" skin on it, if it's not about beeing different, at least in the looks.

second, and off topic (sorry) if its all about racing, and not beeing greedy for more (cars, tracks, fancy stuff like xf, flash-moved lights) then why are there so much "other" cars next to the real open wheelers?

or am i really one of the few got a bit boored of the 2 classes i like.
(xft, fxr)

and besides whats wrong in wishing for more?

[mrodgers]

"Special skin" - it's called a paint scheme and most skins are racing skins, designating their sponsors (made up mostly) and team names. All my skins I've done if there are any decals on them, they are of companies I truely use in my equipment to race with, ie, Intel, ATI, HP, Momo, Logitech, JSP (work to pay for my stuff), CSOnline (my isp), NAL (the league I race), CRC (club), use to have GURU (team), etc. The "sponsors" I have on my skins might be crap (HP and Intel) but they are what I use. If I buy a new PC with AMD in it, I'll switch the intel logo to amd. It's a big difference in creating a paint scheme (skin) for your car to display your team or individuality than to rice it up with a bunch of accessories that don't do a thing for you but make you THINK you look cool.

[micha1980de]

right and thats just it, all the skins don't do a thing except u think they do.
and besides they do produce a lot of used space in my lfs dir.

to get straight to it, while much of you say DON'T change the bodywork or go play nfs, while ALL other racers (besides what's meant with "ricing"?) use their own skins as a granted giving to display their individualism...
ironic i think

[FallenReaper]

Really, most of you guys instantly think of Ricing when it comes to customization. If you don't want the car to look riced, just keep the looks stock. Personally I think the thing with body kits and spoilers and things like that stuff, sure. Let that person put what they want on their car. You'd be able to see what type of people are in that server to get a quick idea of what you're getting into. But the skinning part of the game will have to go because of the different layout. Unless sombody could find a way to get body kits and things like that and work with template skins. Great. Yet it could also help prevent stealing skins if the other person has a certain bodykit or somthing thats different from that person that is trying to steal. Helpful. Put your personality into your car, just besides you're skins. As I said before, if you go into a room full with "ricers", you'll know wether you wanna stay in that server or not...I don't really have a side because both have pro's and con's.

And, if things would come modifiable, I'd rather have it to where it doesn't help improve anything besides looks or whatnot. Just somthing to make the car look different rather than performe different. Keep that stuff to the setups.

[DR3W]

']Go play NFSU, and "STFU" :P
Ya for real man this in not NFSU. Looks dont add hp. And if you did and parts it would get boering becues, the cars would not be as evenley mached and the best a good driver and a kick ass set and alot more hp than evry one would bw pretty good.
:pillepallNFSU?, STFU!, LFS!:thumb::D

[bLaCk VaMpIrE]

i dont know what he wants...
you can change so much things in LFS! more than in any game i ever seen.
there is a special button in the single player screen. its called garage.
here you can for example lower your car without paying any credits! cool, isnt it?

[Vain]

Even today newcomers have a horrible start because they don't have a clue how to get a good setup. Allowing to modify the performance of the car using addons will increase this gap. And after all, at the end of the day the veterans will have the best equipment and win, and the others don't have the equipment and lose. Wow, great addition!
And of course: Go away you crapy ricer. Lolz0roX0riz0r!!!oneeleveneleven ;)

Vain

[ajp71]

I'd argue that a large number of the setup options in the road cars should be removed, and we have LFS tweak which allows you to play around with the cars offline, but if you want big body kits, money, neon lights, baked bean cans stuck on your exhaust or virtual money go **** off and play NFSU or rFactor.

[Chaos]

well I am not a fan of performance modding, as said it would only increase the gap between veterans and newcomers, but one thing I'd like to see are a few different rims (same dimensions) for each car and the possibility to make each wheel a different color... :x:shy:

[STROBE]

right and thats just it, all the skins don't do a thing except u think they do.
and besides they do produce a lot of used space in my lfs dir.
Then turn off the skin auto-download? Nobody is forcing you to look at them. :shrug:

[speedway]

...but one thing I'd like to see are a few different rims (same dimensions) for each car and the possibility to make each wheel a different color... :x:shy:

thats the only thing i could imagine too

imo everything else rather belongs into games like nfsu and doesnt even fit into the concept of lfs

[wheel4hummer]

Let them put on body kits, itll just increase the amount of drag, so it sucks for them!

[axus]

Having a couple of different wheel styles to choose from would be nice, thats about it for me I think... I like the LFS cars - I don't want body kits and things because they would not be entirely accurate. Every time you put on a new part you change the airflow in some way and that would make a difference which is not simulated. I think because of the devs' mentality they would not allow a feature that is so inaccurate in the game - granted, the physics aren't perfectly accurate at the moment, but adding more such features would make them less accurate and that's going backwards.

[Bawbag]

Like the wheels idea but if S2 was complete and the devs wanted something differnt to do then maybe it would be something that could add a little bit extra to the game, but the game is not about looks, it's about having good close races and setting fast times.

At least he is not afraid to ask and we're giving him an honest answer. :thumb:

[nikimere]

buying wheels or a body kit or change the interior... or even change the drivers clohtes gloves and helment..
Smells like Need For Speed......

[Fonnybone]

It's been proven again and again. Having 'power' upgrades will only make
the gap bigger. You'll get veterans with all the upgrades and n00bs with
no upgrades, and therefore, no possibility of winning against 'faster' cars,
which means they won't be getting many (if ANY) credits to upgrade
themselves. It's a circular trap. Also, once you got all upgrades, it gets
boring for those 'microwave generation' kids.

As for bodykits, i wouldn't mind some simple add-ons like a skirt kit or
a few different rear spoilers, but unless they are balanced and affect
performance in a way, they are useless and risk affecting the graphic
performance for many. Skins are probably as far as LFS will go in visual
customization imo. Then there's the wheels...

[mrodgers]

I'd argue that a large number of the setup options in the road cars should be removed, ...
In the road cars, I totally agree with you here. What "road" car can you change your gear ratios by 0.001 or anything else for that matter. In the road cars you should get an option on spring settings of hard, medium, and soft. Same with the shocks. ARB's you could have a selection of a few different sizes (that's what would be available for road cars in real life). Gear ratios, keep one static ratio for the transmissions and allow for several set rearend differentials like 3.55, 3.83, 4.10, and 4.53 (off the top of my head from what's available for me in my Toy Pickup). Just keep them at a few options like you would have in real life and not almost infinitely variable. For racecars, they would stay the same as they are now because I'm sure that is probably how it is in real life, the variability of the setup for racecars.

[micha1980de]

Then turn off the skin auto-download? Nobody is forcing you to look at them. :shrug:

somehow i'd known this answer would come...
ok, i'll try to re-prhase.

skinning is ok, right? and everyone uses it.
modding, for personal look and feel, but without any other changes to car-phys. isn't... right? besides it's not possible now, and won't ever be i guess.
so why have there 4 diff horn sounds? (like the oldest the most *G*)
then whats the point in having different skins in the first place?

Ahh..... let me guess again, to differ in the "LOOKS" ?
but let's not argue to much about things to come or not, as long this is still alpha (best excuse for errerous software imo):fence3d:

[Eldanor]

so why have there 4 diff horn sounds? (like the oldest the most *G*)then whats the point in having different skins in the first place?


It's not about the options you have, it's about the way you use them. The skins are great for league races, and the different horns are something funny the devs put on.

Every option you have to custom your car is always good, but, the last thing LFS needs is to look appealing to the ricer community, sorry, but I don't want the servers to be full of Christmas-Tree Boeing-Winged XRTs. And if LFS had visual custom options that's whta would happen. And all of them would be Demo Racers LOL

Really, most of you guys instantly think of Ricing when it comes to customization.
Of course. Not every single person that likes customization is automatically a ricer, but 90% of them are. Like I said before, I don't want LFS to be a choice for that people, there are games for them, so the should stick to them. Why should every single racing game have visual customization options anyway?

Man, I hate EA for starting the NFSU thing. NFS Porsche was a great game for his time, what the hell happened to EA? What a waste of talent...

[bbman]

Actually, it was "The Fast and the Furious", that started all this, EA just saw his chance to make loads of money with it and they did... :shrug:

[Eldanor]

Actually, it was "The Fast and the Furious", that started all this, EA just saw his chance to make loads of money with it and they did... :shrug:

Yeah, I meant starting the NFSU-style games . Shitty movie anyways:thumb: , EDIT: If you plan to assault a truck in the midnight, the last thing you need is a green neon.

[mrodgers]

...Of course. Not every single person that likes customization is automatically a ricer, but 90% of them are...
Around my area, it isn't known much for seeing nice cars around. We have a small share of some pretty nice classic American musclecars, but the import scene isn't real big. I'm a big fan of import cars, sure. You can maybe see 20 cars all riced out if they all got together in the same place. Occasionally, you will here a big swarm of bees buzzing your way, only to see a 4 door Civic drive by with 20+ inch wheels and tires with the profile of a few sheets of paper. I just shake my head and laugh as they go buzzing by with their fart can exhaust that does more harm than good to performance. I was sitting at a gas station on the corner a while back and of course, up to the light on the corner pulls an Eclipse that I must say was mostly tastefully done on the lowering, wheel and tire combo, and body skirt. Silver without any graphics, it looked pretty good except for the huge whale tail wing on the back. Again, I started to shake my head and laugh, the light turned green and he drove off. No fart can on this one. I was thoroughly impressed, the sound was right, like he tuned it for true performance. Nice and throaty for a 4 cyl. Only the wing threw it all off. It's the only "done up" import car around here that I've ever seen that I thought, nice ride bud. There is customizing, and there is ricing. If you customize your car, I'll stop by and admire it, let you know, "hey, not a bad ride there." If you rice it, I'll just laugh and shake my head as I smoke by in my bone stock 96 Altima 4 door family car.

[FallenReaper]

Ok, now adding body kits are rice, adding more power, rice. What isn't? Just taking a stock car and changing some settings without getting any manufactured parts onto your car isn't rice? GT-R's add more power to make their cars fast and they want their cars faster than everybody elses, no? More power is helpful for them but so its the right setup for suspension and tires and such. Racing wouldn't be the way it is if adding more power and different bodies was done to cars. Now I'd like to see sombody go take you're stock car and do whatever you like with it exept buy anything new and go take it to a track to try to beat the same car but with modified parts done correctly. Now 90%, you'll loose, and people take that into account and actually start buying parts to make their own car go faster. Setups isn't everything in today's world of racing, but in the LFSWorld it apprently is. Modifing one's car isn't rice. I've heard alot of different definitions of rice from modifying a car's looks and not the performance to just ugly cars to just personal opinion(which is 78% of the time). How would we have GT-R cars if the stock counterpart wasn't "riced"? How would the FzR be a GT-R if the Fz50 wasn't "riced"? Sombody help me to understand this.

Also, I've realized that many people at automotive related community places like this, half the people are so damned close minded.

[Michel 4AGE]

I think that it's about "the complete package" what makes a car riced, or not. You know, like dropping your car 40mm, adding a Boeing 747 wing on the rear, some lightweight 19" wheels (cough cough) and then drive around town and doing trafficlight GP's with your 95bhp Civic..thats as rice as it can get.

Now if you take that same Civic and do the same mods but also swap the engine or adding an coilover kit, well then it's all for performance?

Not exactly like this of course but it's hard to draw a line between "no rice" and "100% rice". It comes down to the car and the person behind the wheel too, and what that person wants from his car.

[cannonfodder]

Whether something is or isn't rice isn't the issue. The original post was about performance enhancing upgrades, and Fonnybone has already covered the problem with those. Fast drivers will just be faster, and the slow ones will have trouble earning the upgrades necessary to keep up(because everyone will just end up using the same optimum set of upgrades for any given car/track combo).

Most non-enhancing upgrades that aren't skins have issues because if properly simulated they would increase or decrease performance, by small changes to aerodynamics or weight. LFS being a simulator, their effects would have to be included thus creating the problems in the first paragraph anyway.

[Hyperactive]

Well, here are couple of examples where I have tried to make difference between "tasteful tuning" and ricing, couple of 350Z:

Riced: pic1 (http://www.handrcollision.com/imgs/Nissan-350Z-after2.jpg) pic2 (http://www.nopinationals.com/2002/carshow/nissan/350Z%20Green%201.jpg) pic3 (http://www.moto.net.pl/tuning/nissan_350z/nissan_350z04[www.moto.net.pl].jpg) pic4 (http://www.moto.net.pl/tuning/nissan_350z/nissan_350z01[www.moto.net.pl].jpg) pic5 (http://www.newstylemotorsport.com/nissan/350Z/350ZLipkitPU.jpg) pic6 (http://tuningy.com/tuningy.com/Virtual%20by%20Holda/1/Nissan%20350Z%20kopie.jpg) pic7 (http://www.damox.com/cars/wallpaper/Nissan/Nissan_350Z_custom.jpg)

Tastefully tuned: pic1 (down left) (http://www.swisscarsightings.com/archives/pages/variousjapan3.html)

This is just my view (and even that last one isn't really THAT good) and for these pics it was just for the looks. For me riced=overdone, tuned=some mild changes that maybe give the car a different look without adding wings and other shi**y stuff ;) So you couldn't think of a man wearing a suit climbing out of some riced 350Z. (and I could find only one nice looking modded 350Z ;))

Yeah, and almost forgot: :)

[Eldanor]

Ok, now adding body kits are rice, adding more power, rice. What isn't?

No no, maybe I didn't explain well. To be a ricer is a matter of attitude, you can add more power to your car, or put a sport suspension kit, but is the way you drive what makes you a ricer. They want to be the center of attention, that's what makes them so stupid.

There are a tunning group in my neighbour, and one of them just killed himself and a couple of friends when coming back from a karting session, that stupid bastard thought he could drive a Xsara VTS (Tipical) like it was a kart, and he made a straight in a thight curve at 190kmh.

He thought going at 190 made him a man or something like that, great! he was a cool guy and I lost two friends, **** him, **** ricers.

[B2B@300]

:iagree:
A race track is for racing, it has disign features, rules and trackside support to make it a relatively safe sport :scratchch this is obviously not the case for public roads and ricer cars...

[FallenReaper]

They want to be the center of attention, that's what makes them so stupid.

Well what about people with show cars? People modify their cars to their personality and sometimes they dont want it to do 4:32 on the nearest track. Maybe they just wanna have a cool car and just maybe somtimes get a little speed but nothing serious with racing itself.

And sorry about your friends. Maybe they rest in peace...

[bbman]

So, why don't you buy a car with more power in the first place? Instead of getting a complete wreck, worth 200 bucks and throw stuff in it worth 20000 bucks? :pillepall

[geeman1]

Ricing is when you add stuff to your car that it does not need. Like wings, spinners, etc.. Ricing and ricers are generally stupid, they don't care about what they put in their car as longs as it looks "cool". Example: Lowering the car so much it becomes bad to drive or adding a big wing in the back of a FWD car.

Real tuning is tuning the car so that it goes faster or handles better etc.. wings and other aerodynamic parts may be added if they improve the ride, but they are not necessary.

[micha1980de]

ok, to spin your theory on, what about:

(because everyone will just end up using the same setup
for any given car/track combo). <img>

if i'm wrong, correct me thx

So, why don't you buy a car with more power in the first place? Instead of getting a complete wreck, worth 200 bucks and throw stuff in it worth 20000 bucks?

Maybee for certain people it's like a obsession to complete something, just for starting some new project.
or to built something "special" to take care about...
the media in germany had a certain saying for cars and drivers here, roughly meant to say that we germans love our cars more than our women.:scratchch

[Breizh]

So this is about women?
Fun tip: Read this whole forum, susbtituting "women" for "cars", etc.
Gives more meaning to the drift/grip, rice/performance, arcade/realism, devs in no hurry/rabbid "RELEASE NOW!" etc debates.

[Matrixi]

To me, ricing is doing only exterior mods on a car. Or some mods like lowering springs that do more harm than good for the handling.

Bodykits aren't all necessary rice, if they are built correctly and have been tested in a wind tunnel so that they do actually produce more downforce.

I remember a few months back there was a C-West test with a Honda S2k, they did two runs with it. First they ran it 100% stock with a lap time around 1:13.00 or so, then they added the 100% stock car the best C-West bodykit to it and ran the track again, time was around 1:11.50 if I remember correctly. The driver also commented that he did notice a change of better stability up front in mid- to high speed corners.

The thing is, I can see the idea of bodykits and even those horrible looking wings, IF they have been actually made for performance and not just for the looks.

Let's do a example comparison between a riced car and a performance modified car. Let's say:

Riced:
- 40mm lowering springs
- Stock exhaust except a 4" LED-muffler
- Some Veilside styling bodykit
- F&F style aluminum bigass wing
- 20" chromed heavy spinner rims
- Some chameleon paintjob with stickers all over the sucker
- Engine "dress up kit" with LEDs, painted parts etc.
- HUUUUGE subwoofers and speakers in the back of the car

Performance tuned:
- Adjustable Coilovers
- Free flowing titanium exhaust (Usually 2.5-3" diameter from header/downpipe forth)
- C-West aerotested bodykit that actually produces downforce
- C-West carbon fiber adjustable wing
- 16 or 17" RAYS TE-37 lightweight racing wheels
- Engines intake, ECU, possibly injectors changed
- Interior slightly stripped to save weight, possibly roll-bar to add sturdiness to the body too

This is truly my understanding between ricing/performance.

[micha1980de]

:iagree:

[tristancliffe]

Riced:
- 40mm lowering springs
- Stock exhaust except a 4" LED-muffler
- Some Veilside styling bodykit
- F&F style aluminum bigass wing
- 20" chromed heavy spinner rims
- Some chameleon paintjob with stickers all over the sucker
- Engine "dress up kit" with LEDs, painted parts etc.
- HUUUUGE subwoofers and speakers in the back of the car

Performance tuned:
- Adjustable Coilovers
- Free flowing titanium exhaust (Usually 2.5-3" diameter from header/downpipe forth)
- C-West aerotested bodykit that actually produces downforce
- C-West carbon fiber adjustable wing
- 16 or 17" RAYS TE-37 lightweight racing wheels
- Engines intake, ECU, possibly injectors changed
- Interior slightly stripped to save weight, possibly roll-bar to add sturdiness to the body too

This is truly my understanding between ricing/performance.

Mostly about right. But the wing must have been wind tunnel tested ON THAT PARTICULAR MODEL OF CAR. A perfectly good wing bolted onto a random car will NOT do any good. In fact it might make the car dangerously unstable at some speeds.

And big exhaust DOES NOT mean more performance, titanium or not. It's got to be very carefully matched to the car and engine - small is sometimes (and more often than ricers think) the best way.

Finally, if that 'performance' car is EVER driven on the road, then it immediately and irretrevably becomes rice, and the 13 year old behind the wheel forever a gormless chav.

[Matrixi]

Ofcourse the wing/bodykit has to be tested on the car they are fitted in. I think that's why C-West offers them to invidual car models, not the same product just made to fit all cars.

Well, exhaust kind of depends. If you're running with a turbo car with other engine mods (ECU, cams, injectors, intake etc.), the stock 1.25" exhaust won't do you much good in future. AFAIK especially turbo cars have to breathe better when modified. Titanium is just there to save tremendous weight. With small N/A cars the diameter of the exhaust isn't propably that big deal. I've seen most of the rally AE86 Corollas they use over here have no larger than 1.5 or 2" exhaust pipe diameter.

[wheel4hummer]

These carbon fiber bodykits should be allowed:

http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/5292188221921633.JPG?0.10646263250198801
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/corvettec6r05_02_800.jpg

Oh yeah, those air holes on the front are functional!
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/1027136479391225.JPG?0.7654902528330204

[Fonnybone]

Can someone explain the theory behind putting a huge rear spoiler on a
front wheel drive car again ?

[mrodgers]

It's just soooo cool dude! Especially when it's mounted upside down or at the complete opposite angle. Also it must be 2 feet higher than the roofline and have a mass that is more than half the entire car. Oh, and when you install one of these spoilers on FWD, make sure it's a 4 door model as well, like an 86 Ford Tempo and be sure to keep the stock 13 inch wheels and tires. Now that one I saw was way cool!

Actually, they must be mounted upside down to create lift. The extra weigh compresses the rear of the car that you need to lift it to drive it, LOL

[PLAYLIFE]

I rekon it would be good if you could build up the car you want... for example the credits you win wiht racing you can use them to build up the car the way you want to..

Like for example there would not only be turbos but supercharges, and boost will be a great thing aswell and another great thing would be changing the look of your car.. like buying wheels or a body kit or change the interior... or even change the drivers clohtes gloves and helment..

this would be great because everyone then really can be different from each other.... this would be great :smileypul

Tell me what you think about this idea plz:smileypul

Yeah, I remember playing NFS Porsche... First you buy the car and then you buy all the best pieces in one go (searching through a big list of crap). In the end you have 2 options - 1) car with nothing because you had no money, 2) car with all the best add-ons. I must admit it did not enhance my game-playing experience at all:pillepall Rather, it sucked to look for the best parts from the list. and once I had the best parts after a couple of races, that was it!

So how would it work? I play for one day, buy all the best parts, then play for 5years with the best parts? What's the freakin point? Scawen would just waste a whole load of time on coding this... I'd rather he improves the aero model... :)

[cannonfodder]

ok, to spin your theory on, what about:

setup
<img>

if i'm wrong, correct me thx

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[micha1980de]

ok, to spin your theory on, what about:

----
Originally Posted by cannonfodder
(because everyone will just end up using the same
----

"setup" instead of "Parts"

----
Originally Posted by cannonfodder
for any given car/track combo).
----

it all converts to one homogen, more or less identical set.
except for the ones insisting that they can't drive some certain set, caused by their different driving styles.

but if u break it down to physics, then it's all about loosing the smallest possible amount of energy and thus time around your track.
the optimum for a track can be computed, and thus every deviation causes non-optimal-time per lap.

or simple, in general theres one one way to circle a track for best times.