So, we're at the halfway point! [Archive]

J@tko

24th February 2008, 21:28

Well, we've made it to the halfway point of the first season.

I think you'll agree that we've had ups and downs, but we're going upwards and onwards.

Please, in here, post anything you like about the series.

Please be truthful and honest (and blunt, if needs be!). Post what you think the series has been like so far, and what you think needs improving for the second half of the season. We'd like input from everyone if possible. Also, I'll be PMming all those who signed up, and havnt yet turned up :razz:

The second half includes what should be some cracking combos, including the 'endurance' race and the double header at Aston.

evilpimp

24th February 2008, 21:32

Heh well I started the season well but got worst and worst O_O..

Hopefully second half will be better even though I dont really have much experience in GTR's or Single Seaters.

The league seems really good but im still a bit anoyed by some of the bumping/not clean racing. As for the race officials well I still think my first penalty was harsh but its too late now.

Good job on the league and hope you learn from this!

J@tko

24th February 2008, 21:41

GRR Im getting sick of pointless threads :schwitz:

I vote we change this to 'Improvement suggestions for the LFSBC'

I'm getting sick of pointless posts.......

hyntty

24th February 2008, 21:41

Well, despite all the happenings, I think this series might be a succé also in the future. The best thing is probably that there's a lot of competition, so it's not just driving in a queue in the grid order.

Maybe the calendar could be a little more spacious. It is fun to have a race every week, but it is still every single week.

GRR Im getting sick of pointless threads

I vote we change this to 'Improvement suggestions for the LFSBC'

Please don't complain about too many threads in a discussion forum. It's like complaining that there's too much air in the sky.

J@tko

24th February 2008, 21:48

Well, despite all the happenings, I think this series might be a succé also in the future. The best thing is probably that there's a lot of competition, so it's not just driving in a queue in the grid order.

Maybe the calendar could be a little more spacious. It is fun to have a race every week, but it is still every single week.

Thanks for the comments. What does succé mean?

Meh.. :shrug::D

But there is too much air in the sky!! I don't like it :razz::D

Please read my last post.

JO53PHS

24th February 2008, 21:48

Didn't you know I'm the "forum off-topic world champion"?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=36740

Please read my last post.

Sorry :(

TG44

24th February 2008, 21:56

Thanks for the comments. What does succé mean?

It's success in swedish.. lol

i think that this race was much better and more organized than the first three races. i'm happy as long as it doesn't go back down. :thumb:

hyntty

24th February 2008, 21:56

Thanks for the comments. What does succé mean?

It is stupid swedish for succés (french), which is success in english.

Back on the topic (weirdy), the series should't be run by a fellow, who exploits loopholes in the rules, which he himself made... Just a thought

JO53PHS

24th February 2008, 21:58

It is stupid swedish for succés (french), which is success in english.

Back on the topic (weirdy), the series should't be run by a fellow, who exploits loopholes in the rules, which he himself made... Just a thought

Are you talking about Jack or dekojester lol :scratchch

And what loopholes is he exploiting?

hyntty

24th February 2008, 21:59

Are you talking about Jack or dekojester lol :scratchch

And what loopholes is he exploiting?

Jack
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=719932#post719932

J@tko

24th February 2008, 21:59

Back on the topic (weirdy), the series should't be run by a fellow, who exploits loopholes in the rules, which he himself made... Just a thought

I didn't make the rules :schwitz::D

It wasn't a loophole, it was a rule that wasn't written. Technically, I'm merely a competitor that happens to organise the events. Dekojester is the rules man. :thumbsup:

JO53PHS

24th February 2008, 22:06

I didn't make the rules :schwitz::D

It wasn't a loophole, it was a rule that wasn't written. Technically, I'm merely a competitor that happens to organise the events. Dekojester is the rules man. :thumbsup:

I personally think you're an organiser who also wants to compete :D

IMO everything has gone quite well so far.

We need 'safer' combos next year as the main problems we had were

Crappy combo --> Cars crashing --> SC deployed = Crap race :shrug:

I don't want combos to be boring, for example, I think that R3 was a success in terms of the combo chosen :)

But I think we should have shorter or less frequent SC periods :shrug:

dougie-lampkin

24th February 2008, 22:17

The seriers has been great for me. What else would I be doing of a Sunday evening? (CLC no doubt :nod:)

If I may make one criticism: I don't think the rules were explained very well to some people. I mean, in the lag start, when I saw Juuretis and Jack shoot past me with no hesitation, under a red flag, I sighed. A lot. I was especially disappointed that it was those 2, as Jack wrote the bloody rules, and Juuretis already was disqualified for doing that in another race...

As for the SC periods, they are good, but only if they are 1 or 2 laps. After that, it's just ridiculous. IRL a car could be brought back to the pits, fixed, and caught up with the rest of the pack in that time :D

JO53PHS

24th February 2008, 22:21

The seriers has been great for me. What else would I be doing of a Sunday evening? (CLC no doubt :nod:)

If I may make one criticism: I don't think the rules were explained very well to some people. I mean, in the lag start, when I saw Juuretis and Jack shoot past me with no hesitation, under a red flag, I sighed. A lot. I was especially disappointed that it was those 2, as Jack wrote the bloody rules, and Juuretis already was disqualified for doing that in another race...

As for the SC periods, they are good, but only if they are 1/2 laps. After that, it's just ridiculous. IRL a car could be brought back to the pits, fixed, and caught up with the rest of the pack in that time :D

Well at least next year we will have finalised on the rules and we will be able to shove a proper rulebook in front of the racers' noses :)

Hopefully people will take more notice of the rules in future.

TAYLOR-MANIA

24th February 2008, 22:28

...I think you'll agree that we've had ups and downs, but we're going upwards and onwards...

:nod: Yup, that just about sums it up...

There's been some hiccups here & there but for a first-time series/league/cup catering only for beginners, I think it's fulfilling it's aim to serve as an introduction to league racing.

I for one will feel so much more confident should I enter another league in the future...& without participating in this one I probably wouldn't have found that confidence to enter an established league with the all of the veterans out there. It would be too much of a daunting prospect for me!

Sure, there's some dodgy moments in the races amongst the competitors, but for a series aimed solely at beginners that must be expected.

The organisers are doing a mighty fine job for their first ever time running a league. There's not many people who'd sacrifice the effort & time they do/have to make all this possible.
And they can't/don't get everything right the first time. Examples: combo choices like FernBay Rally, some SC decisions have been a bit off & the rules & regulations are always changed for the better when needed which is good.
Should it be run again next year, I think it'll be alot easier for you guys as all the rules would be in place & you'd have a good idea of how everything will go & what needs to be done.

Only suggestion I can think of is that next time (should you do it again) maybe have a mid-season break or two? Every week is a little bit too much. Like at this point, half way, take a week off!

Well, good job so far, keep it up lads.

JO53PHS

24th February 2008, 22:33

:nod: Yup, that just about sums it up...

There's been some hiccups here & there but for a first-time series/league/cup catering only for beginners, I think it's fulfilling it's aim to serve as an introduction to league racing.

I for one will feel so much more confident should I enter another league in the future...& without participating in this one I probably wouldn't have found that confidence to enter an established league with the all of the veterans out there. It would be too much of a daunting prospect for me!

Sure, there's some dodgy moments in the races amongst the competitors, but for a series aimed solely at beginners that must be expected.

The organisers are doing a mighty fine job for their first ever time running a league. There's not many people who'd sacrifice the effort & time they do/have to make all this possible.
And they can't/don't get everything right the first time. Examples: combo choices like FernBay Rally, some SC decisions have been a bit off & the rules & regulations are always changed for the better when needed which is good.
Should it be run again next year, I think it'll be alot easier for you guys as all the rules would be in place & you'd have a good idea of how everything will go & what needs to be done.

Only suggestion I can think of is that next time (should you do it again) maybe have a mid-season break or two? Every week is a little bit too much. Like at this point, half way, take a week off!

Well, good job so far, keep it up lads.

I totally agree

If everything had gone totally smoothly in the first season of the LFSBC, then I would say something was wrong. :)

dougie-lampkin

24th February 2008, 22:50

I totally agree

If everything had gone totally smoothly in the first season of the LFSBC, then I would say something was wrong. :)

lol just look at your sig! That's the sig of an interesting league season :D

JO53PHS

24th February 2008, 22:52

lol just look at your sig! That's the sig of an interesting league season :D

I hope to be able to add to it by the end of Race 5 :D

Hopefully the new acheivement won't be in the form of a massive crash or epic fail :razz:

J@tko

25th February 2008, 13:05

I mean, in the lag start, when I saw Juuretis and Jack shoot past me with no hesitation, under a red flag, I sighed. A lot. I was especially disappointed that it was those 2, as Jack wrote the bloody rules, and Juuretis already was disqualified for doing that in another race...

I have an excuse!

My computer is seriously rubbish, and so I have LOD turned right down. Therefore, I go past people sometimes without seeing them beforehand. That's what happenned here. I shot past all of you, without really seeing you (bit of a last minute left to miss mistatea!) I would have let you all past again, but seeing as it was a lag start anyway, I didn't bother. Yes, I should have and I'm sorry.

I for one will feel so much more confident should I enter another league in the future...& without participating in this one I probably wouldn't have found that confidence to enter an established league with the all of the veterans out there. It would be too much of a daunting prospect for me!

That's exactly what we wanted. And I think you won't do too badly in any Leagues you enter :thumb:

Sure, there's some dodgy moments in the races amongst the competitors, but for a series aimed solely at beginners that must be expected.

Exactly. There's been a bit more 'contact' than I expected, but never mind.

The organisers are doing a mighty fine job for their first ever time running a league. There's not many people who'd sacrifice the effort & time they do/have to make all this possible.
And they can't/don't get everything right the first time. Examples: combo choices like FernBay Rally, some SC decisions have been a bit off & the rules & regulations are always changed for the better when needed which is good.
Should it be run again next year, I think it'll be alot easier for you guys as all the rules would be in place & you'd have a good idea of how everything will go & what needs to be done.

Exactly. Season 2 will be a breeze :shy: (I hope!)

Only suggestion I can think of is that next time (should you do it again) maybe have a mid-season break or two? Every week is a little bit too much. Like at this point, half way, take a week off!

This seems a popular suggestion, and will almost certainly be implemented for Season 2.

Well, good job so far, keep it up lads.
Thanks :thumb:

dougie-lampkin

25th February 2008, 16:52

Ah that's what I did :D

I was fiddling with the settings yesterday to try and squeeze more power out of my PC, and I turned LOD all the way down. And the cars started looking like building blocks and I was like :really:

But now I have 40FPS on the grid :D

J@tko

25th February 2008, 17:23

Please can I have comments on the length of the races. They're perfect for me, but I'm not sure about anyone else.

dougie-lampkin

25th February 2008, 17:29

I think they're just right. They allow for competitive racing, yet they're not too demanding on beginners. Nice choices IMO :thumb:

Fredthebest

25th February 2008, 20:39

I'm enjoying it.. a few accidents here and there.. which pretty much sucks.. But I've been getting better and I don't come last now so I'm really happy! =]

kABLiuks

26th February 2008, 07:39

dougie-lampkin

26th February 2008, 17:29

Yes, I would like to see a UF1 round in the next season, perhaps on AS1?

J@tko

26th February 2008, 18:28

Why we dont have UF1 round? these cars are all about good setups and track knowledge, no high speeds, just good tactics and stability. We could do some round in FE Club or some other not very fast track

Yes, I would like to see a UF1 round in the next season, perhaps on AS1?

Please try and keep suggestions to this season only. However, I'll take this into account.

Draft Programme for Season 2:
BL1 - XFG/XRG (worked well)
FE1 - UF1 (we can't make a mess of the UF1, surely!)
KY2 - TBO (moved TBO track)
WE1 - FBM (double header)
BL2 - ROAD CARS (moved track :))
AS5 - GTR (enduro - moved track)
either:
SO1 - LRF or
AS3 - FOX

JO53PHS

26th February 2008, 18:32

Please try and keep suggestions to this season only. However, I'll take this into account.

Draft Programme for Season 2:
BL1 - XFG/XRG (worked well)
FE1 - UF1 (we can't make a mess of the UF1, surely!)
KY2 - TBO (moved TBO track)
WE1 - FBM (double header)
BL2 - ROAD CARS (moved track :))
AS5 - GTR (enduro - moved track)
either:
SO1 - LRF or
AS3 - FOX

Sounds great :thumb:

Please not LRFs @ SO - Think about it...

South city, a tight street circuit where the slightest mistake could stuff you head on into a wall. There is little space on SO tracks as it is, so a crashed car could cause a major pile up :schwitz:

LRFs - High powered RWD cars that are quite difficult to control, therefore, crashes/spinouts are more likely. I also have fears that this could turn into some sort of dorifto round if we're not careful :D

Trust me, we're just asking for trouble.

I take it FE1 is FE Club? If so I pwn at FE Club :D

J@tko

26th February 2008, 18:35

Sounds great :thumb:

Please not LRFs @ SO - Think about it...

South city, a tight street circuit where the slightest mistake could stuff you head on into a wall. There is little space on SO tracks as it is, so a crashed car could cause a major pile up :schwitz:

LRFs - High powered RWD cars that are quite difficult to control, therefore, crashes/spinouts are more likely. I also have fears that this could turn into some sort of dorifto round if we're not careful :D

Trust me, we're just asking for trouble.

I've picked the track carefully.

Even I can't spin an LRF car at Turn 1. Turn 2 will be fine - i barely see any crashes there even on Race 1. The chicane is too tight to fit 2 LRF cars through, so it's one wide. The final corner is wide and fast. I don't see too many accidents. :shrug:

JO53PHS

26th February 2008, 18:36

I've picked the track carefully.

Even I can't spin an LRF car at Turn 1. Turn 2 will be fine - i barely see any crashes there even on Race 1. The chicane is too tight to fit 2 LRF cars through, so it's one wide. The final corner is wide and fast. I don't see too many accidents. :shrug:

I suppose.

It all depends how much skill next year's competitors have... or don't have :razz:

EDIT: Hang on a minute... THAT SUCKS... :( What happened to out XF-JR / UF-BR Round??? That was just the best (at least the cars were anyway) We just need to work on the balancing more and choose a different track (maybe?) and it will be great. :)

If we invite people to a 'test evening' we can be sure that our balancing isn't an epic fail :razz:

pacesetter

26th February 2008, 20:00

Are we allowed do the lfsbc next season? Because we are not going to be beginners. You could make a new championship called the lfs intermediate cup?:thumb:

JO53PHS

26th February 2008, 20:07

J@tko

26th February 2008, 20:14

Are we allowed do the lfsbc next season? Because we are not going to be beginners. You could make a new championship called the lfs intermediate cup?:thumb:

You're not allowed to do the LFSBC next year...

I'm not sure about the Intermediate cup lol

Cos In a few years we will have a whole load of cups for different skill levels :schwitz::razz:

If it's not too far in the future, you might be able to enter again in a 'not quite so beginner' class, alongside the 'rookie' class.

Let's see how it pans out.

JO53PHS

26th February 2008, 20:18

If it's not too far in the future, you might be able to enter again in a 'not quite so beginner' class, alongside the 'rookie' class.

Let's see how it pans out.

Actually that would be a good Idea with different classes :D

Like they have in the BritCar race thingy :)

dougie-lampkin

26th February 2008, 20:47

Maybe give the racers from the previous year a +10 restriction or something?

pacesetter

26th February 2008, 20:51

Maybe give the racers from the previous year a +10 restriction or something?

Yes, icsactly!! We could start at the back of the grid with a delayed start or we could even run at a different time eg. 6pm to 7pm and 7pm to 8pm?

dougie-lampkin

26th February 2008, 20:52

Hmm, I 'd prefer to stay in the same race as the beginners...But we could give them half a lap headstart or something?

J@tko

26th February 2008, 20:55

Maybe give the racers from the previous year a +10 restriction or something?

Hmm, I 'd prefer to stay in the same race as the beginners...But we could give them half a lap headstart or something?

I'll think about this one. It'll probably involve the 'not so beginner's class' having something 'stupid', e.g rallycross tyres on, or 45% restriction, or something like that. The 'rookie' class is the main class.

dougie-lampkin

26th February 2008, 20:57

45% restriction? lol the beginners will lap the others :D

JO53PHS

26th February 2008, 21:05

I'll think about this one. It'll probably involve the 'not so beginner's class' having something 'stupid', e.g rallycross tyres on, or 45% restriction, or something like that. The 'rookie' class is the main class.

Well If we're going to go down the stupid route (:razz:) then I suggest that we just attend for fun and to help the beginners. :shrug:

Because we would stand no chance of even having a good race if we had massive restrictions and stupid tyres. As dougie said, we would be lapped :(

J@tko

26th February 2008, 21:11

45% restriction? lol the beginners will lap the others :D

Well If we're going to go down the stupid route (:razz:) then I suggest that we just attend for fun and to help the beginners. :shrug:

Because we would stand no chance of even having a good race if we had massive restrictions and stupid tyres. As dougie said, we would be lapped :(

OK, that was a bit of an exaggeration. At each race, the non-beginner's will have either a restriction/weight penalty/pit stop/whatever to make them slower than the rest. This means they can run their own race and not interfer with the 'rookie' class, whilst still having fun.

JO53PHS

26th February 2008, 21:14

OK, that was a bit of an exaggeration. At each race, the non-beginner's will have either a restriction/weight penalty/pit stop/whatever to make them slower than the rest. This means they can run their own race and not interfer with the 'rookie' class, whilst still having fun.

Lol How about we race with Bottoming out suspension, mad cambers, 50% restriction, rallyx tyres and stupidly slow gear ratios :razz:

Actually, with a car that was in that state we would be a hazard to the beginners:D

J@tko

26th February 2008, 21:20

Draft Calendar with NB's restriction (Non-Beginner's) [just suggestions]

BL1 - XFG/XRG (run with knobblies on driven wheels)
FE1 - UF1 (havn't thought of one!)
KY2 - TBO (ditto)
WE1 - FBM (10% restriction)
BL2 - ROAD CARS (Pit Stop)
AS5 - GTR (GT2 class)
either:
SO1 - LRF or
AS3 - FOX (50kg weight)

pacesetter

26th February 2008, 21:48

Hmm, I 'd prefer to stay in the same race as the beginners...But we could give them half a lap headstart or something?

In some of the real racing classes in ireland they have a headstart system like what Rob said

dougie-lampkin

26th February 2008, 22:06

Yup I was at a RallyX thing in Mondello (which actually has no rally bit, but anyway...) and there were like 3 classes in the one race, group 3 went first, with a 30 second headstart, group 2 went then, with a 10 second headstart over group 1, and then group 1 went...it was really cool, because IIRC laptimes were like 45 seconds :D

mccoll99

27th February 2008, 01:34

Why doesn't the class have a set online distance restriction e.g. 10 000 km? that way there is a line in the sand, cause after one season i'm not going to be comfortable enough to race in the big time yet :thumb:

pacesetter

27th February 2008, 15:28

dougie-lampkin

27th February 2008, 17:14

J@tko

27th February 2008, 18:22

It would be cool if it was Premiership style - the BC being Division 3, and the top 3 get promoted into Division 2, and so on. And the bottom 3 in each season get demoted. If there was enough people it could be super cool :shrug:

Strangely enough, I was thinking of something like this the other day. However, it's far and away beyond my oranising capabilities and relies on long-term commitment from drivers, which is not possible.

TomMK

2nd March 2008, 11:06

Strangely enough, I was thinking of something like this the other day. However, it's far and away beyond my oranising capabilities and relies on long-term commitment from drivers, which is not possible.

Jack is right, a multi-class cup would require a great deal of organisation and, i think, goes against what he started out to achieve in the first place. This is where you cut your teeth at racing. Once you've had a go, you move on. Being the top driver at the beginner cup series after series is not what we should be aspiring to!!

Something we could do - and this is a bit out-of-the-box:tilt: - is form some kind of partnership with a major race series that us beginners "graduate" to after achieving some success here at the LFSBC. That way were not hanging round preventing true beginners from a chance at winning, nor are we cast out after a single season on our own. We get to know people at the LFSBC and it would be nice to carry on racing with them in future. It also takes away the organisational burden as the series we would join is already up and running. In return, they would get a nice constant stream of eager, decent drivers entering their series.

win-win?

JO53PHS

2nd March 2008, 11:26

Something we could do - and this is a bit out-of-the-box:tilt: - is form some kind of partnership with a major race series that us beginners "graduate" to after achieving some success here at the LFSBC. That way were not hanging round preventing true beginners from a chance at winning, nor are we cast out after a single season on our own. We get to know people at the LFSBC and it would be nice to carry on racing with them in future. It also takes away the organisational burden as the series we would join is already up and running. In return, they would get a nice constant stream of eager, decent drivers entering their series.

win-win?

Thats a very good idea :)

We just need to choose a decent league that intermediate/beginners would like :D