new logitech wheel for GT5 [Logitech driving force GT]

[Noccy]

There were rumours about a new wheel being released for GT5 and now they seem to be confirmed.

http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2920523#post2920523

Doesnt look like a new wheel at all to me, just a DFP with a reworked centrepart (added buttons).
But i'm sure most GT5 players would be happy to shell out double the price(150€) for a refreshed DFP since it has a working horn!

[Töki (HUN)]

Rofl, working horn:really: Nice, but G25 fairly beats it.

[atlantian]

nice... sounds lame, i hope there is clutch this time around, since GT5 apperently has clutch...

[[RF]-art555]

nice... sounds lame, i hope there is clutch this time around, since GT5 apperently has clutch...
Same pedals as DFP's...

[atlantian]

wow.. that sucks some major ****

[isamu]

best wheel I've ever seen in my life!

[niels1]

Just looks like a DFP. Improved proparly nothing new. Only a horn :scratchch.
ROFL never expected that from logitech. :shrug:

[Niels Heusinkveld]

Indeed seems to be the much hated DFP is back. All this ''pure simulation'' crap is getting a bit annoying, as if GT5 with this poorish wheel is the best.. Wasn't it Bill Hicks who told all Marketing people to kill themselves? He had a point.. :)

[dontsimon]

Well the blurb claims it has anti backlash, which is what keeps the G25 solid, unlike the original DFP which has that slight play around the centre. So it looks like there is some improvement.

11 inch wheel also, which IIRC is bigger than the DFP.

I quite like it it. I assume it will work on the PC?

[sosna]

and looks arcadish....

[teedot]

wow.... is Logitech trying to pull an early April Fools prank or something? That looks like a total piece of crap... i'd rather have the OLD DFP then that fugly thing. And not to mention, since they supposedly designed it with Polyphony Digital.... why is there no clutch? Why is there no H-Shift?...... What a let down by Logitech. :x. I was amazed when I went from my DFP to a G25... it was like night and day...

On the plus side, maybe this means more sales for the Fanatec 911-wheel :D:D (yes, i am in love with my 911-wheel) LOL

[lovretta]

Logitech Driving Force GT Wheel Delivers Powerful Force Feedback, Brake Bias and Traction Control Adjustment

Aren't these just some buttons? Maybe some kind of potentiometer but thats all isn't it :tilt:

Next one "Ultimate screenshot generator" official wheel will probably have adjustable ESP :D ..... :scratchch also maybe "rechargeable" airbag :schwitz:

the Driving Force GT features an illuminated horn button with the official Gran Turismo logo. Using the authentic sounds of the car being driven, racers can quickly alert other cars when they are approaching fast.

Or when playing online, people can simply use the horn to taunt other players as they speed by.

:D :trampolin :slap:

[NiTRo_SvK]

Hey calm down, also it has lower price than G25, i wonder about FF, if it's same as DFP or as G25.

[spookthehamster]

Since when was the DFP "much hated"? For a long time, the DFP was the wheel everyone had. I don't think this looks too bad, especially for the price. I'm guessing internally some of the good things from the G25 have trickled down, the main thing it's missing is a clutch pedal.

[baSh0r]

the red thing around the button looks extremely ugleh

[MR_B]

They're not so much as milking the cash cow, as ringing it dry.

There's absolutely no mention of any improvements inside the wheel, just the novelty buttons they've given it. When will people wake up and realise This Will Not Do!

[sgt.flippy]

I find this part really funny:
“The Gran Turismo series has always been designed for racing enthusiasts,” said Kazunori Yamauchi, President of Polyphony Digital. “The Driving Force GT racing wheel was designed to perfection by our team
Like in the way they perfected the realism in GT4 (and 3-2-1 :D)
That makes me kinda sad.

[dontsimon]

There's absolutely no mention of any improvements inside the wheel

Yes there is. DFP does not have anti-backlash system. Plus as suggested above, there are likely to be whatever improvements have been discovered since after The G25 was released. It's bound to have had at least some design re-jig since the original DFP. Anti-backlash shows this.

No one's forced to buy this, why is everyone so outraged?

[[RF]-art555]

I find this part really funny:

Like in the way they perfected the realism in GT4 (and 3-2-1 :D)
That makes me kinda sad.

I think thats just a japanise way of joking :D

[Mattesa]

No one's forced to buy this, why is everyone so outraged?

:shrug:

The DFP is/was the GT4 wheel, and now this, which I will call the DFP2, is the GT5 real. Makes perfect sense really.

The G25 is their high end wheel.

[StableX]

this is outrageous :razz:

[geeman1]

Quite interesting actually. It would be perfect if it was a G25 inside, with cheaper materials outside and without clutch/h-shifter. Since I already have quality set of pedals and h-shifter so I don't want to buy the whole set (G25), but I am looking for a replacement for my DFP. Also that brake bias dial is a nice addition :)
We'll just have to wait for reviews and see what if this wheel is actually anything special or if it's just a periodical update of the range.

[dontsimon]

If it is a G25 internally then I think that would be a good move. Then as far as the wheel goes (ie apart from the pedals / shifter) the only difference to the G25 then would be the leather. The extra buttons make up for that imo.

[Hyperactive]

Looks very much like a DFP remake.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_2/wheels/devices/4172&cl=us,en

Also check: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ImHiL7_lkJA
(SRT episode)

Decent amount of buttons but it is just a slightly updated DFP. No idea if they have improved the pedals. A pc version is probably coming later as mentioned in the SRT interview...

[Dannz]

This doesnt really look like much of a new wheel from Logitech, just looks like they've slapped a few fancy buttons on the Driving Force Pro, and made it compatible with the PS3. Any information on if it spins the same speed as the DFP, cause I would have thought they would improve that if they were releasing another model of it.

[BlakjeKaas]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=39269

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[Hyperactive]

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=39269

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Doh, didn't see it :tilt:

[deggis]

HAHA! I was right (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=565949#post565949), I guess most of people were expecting updated G25.

[deggis]

Still remember "Goo" from rscnet? Found this from the gtplanet thread:

Hi.

My name's Chris, and I work for Logitech. I'm the product manager for both the Driving Force GT and the G25, as well as the G-series keyboards and some other stuff. I'm the guy in the YouTube video explaining how the DFGT's new realtime adjustment dial feature works. Now that GDC is over and the wheel is actually announced, I'll try and answer some of the questions I've seen about it.

The Driving Force GT (DFGT) is a direct replacement for the Driving Force Pro. It is not intended to address the same customer as the G25.

The pedals base has the same external design, but the internals were modified slightly to improve reliability and precision. Much like the G25 pedals, the DFGT's are set up with two parts - the pedal arm turns a gear that is affixed over the potentiometer shaft rather than turning the pot directly. This means that excessive force (and the subsequent deformation of the plastic) on the pedals can no longer cause the potentiometer to move out of tolerance and produce erratic values. The performance of the DFGT's pedals should be significantly improved over the Driving Force Pro's.

The force feedback transmission is a double-reduction, single-motor system. The gear ratio has been modified such that it is much smoother and quieter than the DFP's. It also features a backlash-reduction main gear similar to the system used in the G25. It does not generate the same amount of torque that the G25 does, as it only has one motor, but it does deliver the same amount of torque as the DFP.

I'll pop in and answer further questions as I can during the week. It's been quite hectic leading up to the announcement, and I think it will only calm down a little now. Hopefully I can get some pics up of the internals as well.

The wheel feels more like the G25 than the DFP. It's a bit "heavier" to steer than the G25, but is much easier than the DFP. The G25 is able to be turned faster than the DFGT, though.

There is currently 6-speed support in the GT5:Prologue US version we demoed at GDC. Obviously, as we do not write the game, I cannot say definitively what the future holds for shifter/clutch support. I do not expect things to change, however.

[J.B.]

So has anyone got this wheel yet? I'm not interested in the G25 since the sequential shifter felt pretty poor when I tested it but this seems like the dfgt might be a worthy dfp replacement.

SRT says the new dials don't work. Any news on future drivers?

[okijuhans]

http://www.insidesimracing.tv/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=125&Itemid=184

Already posted, but still great to watch.

[startkapital]

i think the desgin is preaty neat & slick.. i'm a GT4 player and own psone and pstwo have over 25 racing game on ps2 and ps1.. gt4 is best played with the dfp.. sure the g25 works too but doesnt support h shift and clutch...
so the dfp original design is for Console players.. the support for pc is a welcome option i guess..
i had a dfp bought it of eBay used it for about 1,5 years, then the pedal bug occured send it in and got a new boxed unit.. > i sold it on ebay AS NEW.. and bought me with some extra money a g25...

the prize of the dfp (gt5 edt) is fairly to high, but it the competition will bring down the price until the old dfp is completely out of stock

[Ripley]

Hi all.
I never had a wheel before, and yesterday I was going to buy the DFGT, then I refrained. And today I find this thread...doesn't sound like it is a much loved wheel over here...

Anyway, you old-time drivers, do you think that Logitech will support it with nice Windows drivers one day? I heard that it must be used with the DFP drivers, and some buttons and/or dials don't work with the pc.
What is your experience with Logitech/Wingmanteam support over the years?
If I buy one, can I be sure that I'll find correct drivers soon or later?

Thanx

[Toddshooter]

Hi all.
I never had a wheel before, and yesterday I was going to buy the DFGT, then I refrained. And today I find this thread...doesn't sound like it is a much loved wheel over here...

Anyway, you old-time drivers, do you think that Logitech will support it with nice Windows drivers one day? I heard that it must be used with the DFP drivers, and some buttons and/or dials don't work with the pc.
What is your experience with Logitech/Wingmanteam support over the years?
If I buy one, can I be sure that I'll find correct drivers soon or later?

Thanx


I have this wheel and absolutly love it. I bought it a month or so ago to replace my Wingman Formula ForceGT.
Having never owned a G25 I can't say how it compares...but after hearing people moan about the old DFP's lack of responsivness I can assure you this wheel is fast and very responsive.
I picked mine up for $97.00+Tax and it is worth every penny.

Get one M8 you won't regret it. At th emoment your computer and the Wingman drivers only see it as an old DFP but even without all the buttons working it is great.
You still get all the old DFP buttons just not the new ones yet.

[Ripley]

Good to read a positive review !

What I wanted to know, though, when you write "You still get all the old DFP buttons just not the new ones yet", you mean/know/think that it will be fully supported in the future ? I know you're not a Logitech support employee, but what's your guess/experience ?

My fear is that those dials and things are too much PlayStation specific, but maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks anyway for replying Todd.

[Toddshooter]

My fear is that those dials and things are too much PlayStation specific, but maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks anyway for replying Todd.

Sorry can't tell you.

But I will say this. It dosen't matter!, you still get more buttons than any other wheel and it works friggin great.
Way better than the old DFP and not much more money.

[Richie Cahill]

Its Fugly.. and gt5 is terrible.

[Zowy]

I've had several of the DFP wheels and currently am using the DFGT i think that the DFGT is a nice upgrade if you don't already have a functioning wheel. If you currently have a DFP that works, you will not be overwhelmed with the DFGT. The DFGT is a an improved version that is a little nicer and has some features that need Logitech to grow into. Both of these wheels work great with any pc or console that accepts the USB port.
I like lots of different racing games and can use either of these wheels on PC, PS2,PS3 or Xbox 360. The support for the wheels is more a function of the game software than anything else.Personally I like the DFGT better, but then the only reason I got it was that I had worn out my DFP's and needed a new wheel. having said that, I'd not buy another DFP as I feel that the extra money for the DFGT is a small increase for a nice, but not huge improvement in feel and features.

[oqvist]

After running GT5P with the way it handles you won´t get much use of for example the better pedals on the G25... FFB is kind of rubbish in GT5... I don´t like it otherwise either but seeing how hard it´s to get the wheels loose the DFP pedals is more then up to the task for that game.

overkill to go for a G25 (which apart from pedals and H-shifter is very similar in feel) and even more so with the 911 Turbo wheel consequently...

I have only about 15 minutes seat time with the DFP GT but yes it reminded me quite a bit on the G25. Very weak force feedback but may just be the settings I didn´t have time to change that.

If you are also racing on the PC it kind of matters what you prioritize it´s of course never wrong to go for the higher end wheels... What does 100-200$ matters if you use a wheel in two years at least?

[Mille Sabords]

I may be looking for a wheel (not sure yet as it implies doing so while wife and kids are away on holidays - consequenses may help me understand the true meaning of force feedback ;))I would like a little noise as possible - any tips? Is that GT wheel quiet / how does it compare with other wheels?I am willing to compromise a lot for silence as it may be the difference between use / no use of the wheel...Any other suggestion, not too expensive wheels as this may be a waste of money, on the quiet side?Thanks

[Gnomie]

I may be looking for a wheel (not sure yet as it implies doing so while wife and kids are away on holidays - consequenses may help me understand the true meaning of force feedback ;))I would like a little noise as possible - any tips? Is that GT wheel quiet / how does it compare with other wheels?I am willing to compromise a lot for silence as it may be the difference between use / no use of the wheel...Any other suggestion, not too expensive wheels as this may be a waste of money, on the quiet side?Thanks

Yay, finally! :) I was wondering when you'd get one. As they say, it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. ;)

I have no experience with this wheel, but I hear the Fanatec 911 is very silent, at least compared to the G25, due to its belt drive. If that fits within your budget I'd recommend looking into it. IMO a manual shifter and clutch adds a whole ton to the gaming experience and immersion (I'm a G25 user)

[Mille Sabords]

I would not push it too far, time is on my side with LFS developpement speed :)
I'm looking for an off the shelf product to buy in a nearby store, so that I get at least a few days use before retaliation... Being in Switzerland it looks like logitech / PS2, 3 products are more likely to be found.
My budget could be higher but what is important is how much I spend cowardly now.
Fanatec as I read is 300€, too big to sneak in :) even if I will most certainly miss a clutch + shifter. One step at a time... maybe FFB off to start with.
Do these things rumble under use? How loud (never seen one) - dishwasher, fridge or blender?

[Gnomie]

I would not push it too far, time is on my side with LFS developpement speed :)
I'm looking for an off the shelf product to buy in a nearby store, so that I get at least a few days use before retaliation... Being in Switzerland it looks like logitech / PS2, 3 products are more likely to be found.
My budget could be higher but what is important is how much I spend cowardly now.
Fanatec as I read is 300€, too big to sneak in :) even if I will most certainly miss a clutch + shifter. One step at a time... maybe FFB off to start with.
Do these things rumble under use? How loud (never seen one) - dishwasher, fridge or blender?

Here's SRT's review (http://insidesimracing.blip.tv/file/876795?filename=Simracingtonight-LogitechDrivingForceGTWheelReview593.flv) of the Logitech Driving Force GT. Apparently it's not too noisy. :) He says the wheel "loves LFS".

[Mille Sabords]

Thanks for the link. Damn that's noisy...compared to how quiet the flat is at night.
I play 3m away from my wife watching TV and no wall in between so I think it's a no go :(
I can always remove the gear from FFB but then it become little better than my mouse ;)

I'll see tomorrow after work if I can get my hand on one. Although 100€ for a few days make it more costly than IRental :)

Edit:
No DFPGT in store :(
Found a crappy looking logitech formula ex and the same wireless with 200° - approx 75€
Found a momo wheel - €130
and 2 G25 wheel lurking in the end of the shelf... 210€ approx. Is it a good price?
Would it be playable on my limited rig? Enjoyable with a small screen?
Laptop Dell M65 , intel core 2 7600 at 2.33, 2GB ram, nvidia quadro 350M 256Mo (weak point) with a 15.4 screen...

I have to talk with my wife sometime, better start furbishing my plea:)

[Mille Sabords]

Forget it...
I got the G25 in the end, and buying this made me feel like a teenager, with a mixed feeling of shame and joy common during this period.
So I can say the first G25 effect is to make me feel 20 odd years younger :)

Second effect is my lap times dropped 2-4 seconds/minute
I'll see the third effect tonight when the wife and kids get back from vacation and find out :arge:

[Gnomie]

Forget it...
I got the G25 in the end, and buying this made me feel like a teenager, with a mixed feeling of shame and joy common during this period.
So I can say the first G25 effect is to make me feel 20 odd years younger :)

Second effect is my lap times dropped 2-4 seconds/minute
I'll see the third effect tonight when the wife and kids get back from vacation and find out :arge:

Wow, you're already that much faster? Impressive! :) I'd have thougth it would take longer to get used to.

I don't really understand why your wife would get angry, though.. what does it matter if you play with a mouse or a wheel? You're playing LFS anyway.. :shrug:

See you on the DmR server tonight..?

[W1ldPort75]

I'll see the third effect tonight when the wife and kids get back from vacation and find out :arge:[/quote]

Hehehehe , if anything happens to you , can i get your G25 for free ? :razz:

[Gnomie]

I'll see the third effect tonight when the wife and kids get back from vacation and find out :arge:

Hehehehe , if anything happens to you , can i get your G25 for free ? :razz:[/QUOTE]

Well he hasn't posted for a while.. maybe his wife threw the G25 out the window and locked Mille in the basement for a week or something.. :razz:

[Mille Sabords]

Vacation week - no time for G25 :)
I will enjoy the lovely weather with my wife and kids, and watch a few movies, some wine, etc...
No basement but neither a warm welcome for the G25, plus I have to disassemble and store it after use because I have no desk, and learn using it with as little noise as possible, paddle shit and slow release of the pedals at the moment, FFB 15-20% at best :)
Might take some time, but I made progress:)
I'll keep the wheel for a while, it cost me 210€ plus nearly the same for a handbag and a purse already, maybe more to come...
Damn that's an expensive wheel.

See you online but probably next week only.

[Gnomie]

I'll keep the wheel for a while, it cost me 210€ plus nearly the same for a handbag and a purse already, maybe more to come...
Damn that's an expensive wheel.

:lol So you had to "buy" peace in the house, I see? :D Well it's worth it, I assure you.

[Toddshooter]

:lol So you had to "buy" peace in the house, I see? :D Well it's worth it, I assure you.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that:D:D

[Ripley]

Sorry can't tell you.

But I will say this. It dosen't matter!, you still get more buttons than any other wheel and it works friggin great.
Way better than the old DFP and not much more money.
Well, I just bought it and installed, the Driving Force GT that is, and wingman team software.
Wow ! Talk about immersion factor !!! The only thing that disappoints me so far is that I have to go out tonight...you know, social life...:nod:

Since I never had a wheel before, and it took me quite a bit to figure out how to make it work in LFS, can someone point me to a setup guide, the do's and dont's, and so on ??

Thanks :thumb:

[[RF]-art555]

Well, I just bought it and installed, the Driving Force GT that is, and wingman team software.
Wow ! Talk about immersion factor !!! The only thing that disappoints me so far is that I have to go out tonight...you know, social life...:nod:

Since I never had a wheel before, and it took me quite a bit to figure out how to make it work in LFS, can someone point me to a setup guide, the do's and dont's, and so on ??

Thanks :thumb:

http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Wheels

lower you'll find recommended settings ;)

[Ripley]

Thanks.
Exactly what I was thinking of !