Round 3 Pre-Discussion [Archive]

dekojester

11th February 2008, 02:47

Well, after the chaos and carnage of Fern Bay Rallycross, it's time to play with the UF and XF Baby-Rs at Fern Bay Green.

Race length: 14 Laps
Cars: UF-BR; XF-JR

The UF-BR is UFR w/ 45%
The XF-JR is XFR w/ 43%.

The Race Director will be collecting setups post-race to ensure accordance with the rules for this round.

Please PM dekojester with your car choice. You may hold off until the beginning of Free Practice 3. Please check back soon for Free Practice times and dates.

evilpimp

11th February 2008, 04:04

Which ones slightly faster? Ill have to test them both I guess heh

Technique

11th February 2008, 04:15

I believe I'll be dropping out of the next 2 races due to a wedding and long business trip. Please let a reserve fill my spot for those races.

evilpimp

11th February 2008, 04:20

:( awww. Well have fun at the wedding! and if its ur wedding well congrats :P!

TAYLOR-MANIA

11th February 2008, 12:26

J@tko

11th February 2008, 12:36

This should be fun :)
What is the 43-45%...Intake restriction or ballast weight?
Also not that it matters, I'm just being inquisitive... but what does JR mean? Is it JuniorR? And what is the R? Restricted maybe?

Wasn't it Jack & Joe who actually made the base setups for the two cars? They would've done plenty of testing & practice I think, so maybe they'll be the ones to stop MistaTea's winning ways this round! :D

43% + 45% intake restriction

XF-JR= XF Junior R.

and yes, we did create the XF-JR :)

The UF-BR setup is here (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46403&d=1199435046).
The XF-JR setup is here (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46404&d=1199435046).

We didn't test on this combo (FE Green), but I've just had a couple of laps, and they're really close - almost the same time.

dougie-lampkin

11th February 2008, 13:32

43% + 45% intake restriction

XF-JR= XF Junior R.

and yes, we did create the XF-JR :)

The UF-BR setup is here (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46403&d=1199435046).
The XF-JR setup is here (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46404&d=1199435046).

We didn't test on this combo (FE Green), but I've just had a couple of laps, and they're really close - almost the same time.

Do we have to use those setups? I've made my own but it has the correct restrictions.

J@tko

11th February 2008, 13:38

Do we have to use those setups? I've made my own but it has the correct restrictions.

Of course not. They're just our own XF-JR setup and CTRA's base UF-BR setup.

dougie-lampkin

11th February 2008, 13:45

Of course not. They're just our own XF-JR setup and CTRA's base UF-BR setup.

Nice! For the first time ever I spent an hour building a setup last night! :D

evilpimp

11th February 2008, 21:29

@Taylor - by jack and joe u mean Team TG ? J@tko and Joseph?
Nahhhh I dont think im ready to lose to them. But honestly its really possible that jack might win this as im usually not too good on slicks or in FWDs and these cars r both :S.

@Jack - Do we HAVE to use those setups? If so what are we aloud to tweak in them? if not well good I get to mod it so much :)

juurme

11th February 2008, 21:41

So im banned from R3 ? :really:

J@tko

11th February 2008, 21:59

@Jack - Do we HAVE to use those setups? If so what are we aloud to tweak in them? if not well good I get to mod it so much :)

No. They are just basic setups for you to tweak
So im banned from R3 ?

Do you really expect anything else? :really:

juurme

11th February 2008, 22:00

No. They are just basic setups for you to tweak

Do you really expect anything else? :really:
Did u watch the replay correctly ? :scratchch

J@tko

11th February 2008, 22:02

Did u watch the replay correctly ? :scratchch

Yes. And I havn't even seen the replays of the abandoned start and qualifying yet.

evilpimp

11th February 2008, 22:02

No. They are just basic setups for you to tweak

kk good :D and also I heard the track will be changed to FE Green can u come put it on the server plz :P Deko went for dinner.

juurme

11th February 2008, 22:03

Yes. And I havn't even seen the replays of the abandoned start and qualifying yet.
Better dont watch qualifys replays :thumb:

dougie-lampkin

11th February 2008, 22:03

No need, it's been decided by me and my army of plastic green men that the race will indeed be help at SO...:smileypul

Anybody who disagrees will meet "the boys"

dougie-lampkin

11th February 2008, 22:05

Better dont watch qualifys replays :thumb:

Mate, your banned for 3, don't tell him to watch the quali's or you'll be banned from 4!

juurme

11th February 2008, 22:06

Mate, your banned for 3, don't tell him to watch the quali's or you'll be banned from 4!
Not ur business! Shhh you

Technique

11th February 2008, 23:58

I don't know what happened in the first rally race as I've wiped it from my memory (I was driving really bad.... sorry!). But I did watch the race 2 replay several times.

In defense of juuretis, his driving on the one green lap he was racing in was fairly clean and he made several good passes.

First, he was hit by TG44. Later, the LFS medical car was driving backwards on the course and hit him head on. He didn't complain about either of those incidents (I would have!). The only thing he did wrong in the race was speed through a caution area (clipping a medical car) and pass under yellow (which other people were doing as well). He asked if his race was over when he flipped the car on its side and race control said "yes". I think people saw him flipped over the entire race and assumed he was causing chaos (based on his pre-race shenanigans :)) but really I don't think he did anything too bad (in that race) compared to the other incidents on the track.

kABLiuks

12th February 2008, 07:10

43% + 45% intake restriction

XF-JR= XF Junior R.

and yes, we did create the XF-JR :)

The UF-BR setup is here (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46403&d=1199435046).
The XF-JR setup is here (http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46404&d=1199435046).

We didn't test on this combo (FE Green), but I've just had a couple of laps, and they're really close - almost the same time.

wow! i mearly jumped out of my chair! why on earth you decided to put such insainly huuuuge restriction? these car a supose to run fast and now they run like UF1... please explain this desision

J@tko

12th February 2008, 08:14

....

It was mainly for his behaviour in the abandoned race start, during quali and before quali started

wow! i mearly jumped out of my chair! why on earth you decided to put such insainly huuuuge restriction? these car a supose to run fast and now they run like UF1... please explain this desision

The UF-BR is a widely used car in LFS (CTRA, UFOC). It's not that slow - has around 100 bhp, but is so light and runs on slicks that it's quick around the bends. We made the XF-JR as fast as it.

moskvich3v1

12th February 2008, 08:34

Which one is faster :really:

J@tko

12th February 2008, 09:03

Which one is faster?

Why do you need to know? :really:

(and BTW, they're basically exactly the same around 1 lap)

TAYLOR-MANIA

12th February 2008, 12:06

@Taylor - by jack and joe u mean Team TG ? J@tko and Joseph?
Nahhhh I dont think im ready to lose to them. But honestly its really possible that jack might win this as im usually not too good on slicks or in FWDs and these cars r both :S.

Ha. Well what do you say now then MrT after the +5 gridspot penalty? :) Think you could win it?
When I first read it [the +5 gridspot penalty] I thought it was kinda harsh, but actually chatting during the race only added to the chaos of R2.
People where typing 'Why did you crash me?', 'When is the safety car in?', 'Thanks for crashing me', 'Restart!?' 'I've got damage to suspension' etc etc.
I dunno about you guys but I can find it very distracting & that's why I sometimes block the messages for 1 flying lap only in qualy so I can concentrate fully without having inane messages pop up.
It just made it even harder to read the Race Control messages & RCM messages (which are indeed the only messages I want to read) whilst trying to navigating the course cleanly.
Hopefully those who like to chat during the race will learn from the penalties & STFU for the race :D

J@tko

12th February 2008, 12:19

....

:) The only messages you should have to read are the RCM ones, and there should be none of them in a race!

I simply adore baby FWD GTR's - they suit my 'powwerr!' driving style perfectly. I love the UF-BR more than the XF-JR, as it has more 'personality'. However, I'll probably be driving the XF-JR in this race, wherever it is.

dougie-lampkin

12th February 2008, 12:33

Well, the XFG is my favourite car, so the XF-JR is even better! It has uber-grip, uber-brakes and looks uber-cool! But it has XFG power! It's perfect!

evilpimp

12th February 2008, 21:40

@Taylor - Well I do find it kind of harsh and I know it can suck away someones concentration but 5 positions for saying is the safety car leaving in this lap because of a 7 lap deployment. I dont think you particularely need to pay THAT much attention during a safety lap O_O.

I know I have made a mistake (Wont happen again... hopefully..) but I also find it harsh for such a small thing as I didnt start a whole conversation with someone while racing O_O.

And yeah I think that if I get pole position and Jack is second he has a great chance of winning as I would have to overtake a whole 3-4 cars to get to him which MIGHT slow me down. Jack its ur time to shine xD

heh i never feel the need to block messages :P I just press H so the chat is a bit smaller and I dont pay attention to it. That simple. i guess its easier for some then it is for other :P.

Technique

12th February 2008, 22:11

As much as I want to defeat mistatea in the championship, I think he should just receive a warning.

evilpimp

12th February 2008, 22:38

Do u take T1/the chicane in FE Green full speed? O_O

I was tryin to take it as fast as possible right now and I made it almost full speed but not quite. Fliped about 15/20 times lol.

TAYLOR-MANIA

13th February 2008, 00:32

...I dont think you particularely need to pay THAT much attention during a safety lap O_O
[snip]
heh i never feel the need to block messages :P I just press H so the chat is a bit smaller and I dont pay attention to it. That simple. i guess its easier for some then it is for other :P.

Well okay...let's say your going round a corner with your eyes on the road & checking the mirrors, & you're waiting for the 'SC in this lap' or any other RCM. But then somebody writes something & you're obliged to look up to the top left incase of it being the RCM, even if it is totally meaningless. Only briefly maybe, but when a number of people are doing the same & you're being cautious as possible under the SC & of all the cars around you, the messages do become VERY distracting. Especially when you're checking the History for an RCM that you may of missed due to all the other pointless messages scrolling by. Consequently, accidents & crashes could easily occur. See my point?

And yeah even the slightest things can distract me! When hotlapping I Shift+F it & turn the volume up, that way NOTHING can bug me. With the speedo, split times, tacho etc all gone I can do much better with just the car visable and listening to the engine & tyres :)

...I know I have made a mistake (Wont happen again... hopefully..) but I also find it harsh for such a small thing as I didnt start a whole conversation with someone while racing O_O.
As much as I want to defeat mistatea in the championship, I think he should just receive a warning.

True, in comparison to others it wasn't all that bad :shrug:

Anyway...i'll check the server when i'm around to see if anyone is there to practice with :tilt:

evilpimp

13th February 2008, 00:38

I c ur point. :thumb: and its true that it could cause accidents. Thats why I admited making a mistake.

However, a 5 spot penalty can make you lose 20 points that you couldve won if you started as you were sopose to. Is it really THAT bad O_O.

newaiz ....

dougie-lampkin

13th February 2008, 00:57

a 5 spot penalty can make you lose 20 points that you couldve won if you started as you were sopose to.

Well aren't we the optimist? :tilt:

evilpimp

13th February 2008, 01:00

Well for sure its easier to keep a spot then to take it away from someone O_O
Bleh i dnt wanna talk about this anymore but I find it a bit unfair even though the mistake was made.

newaiz not talkin bout this anymore.

kABLiuks

13th February 2008, 06:01

whaat time you think is good in FE? i mean how fast i should do the track to win:) 1:20 enough?

moskvich3v1

13th February 2008, 06:32

Am i banned from events ? :really::really::really:

J@tko

13th February 2008, 10:01

I know I have made a mistake (Wont happen again... hopefully..) but I also find it harsh for such a small thing as I didnt start a whole conversation with someone while racing O_O.

I'm sorry about your penalty. However, we are putting our foot down with regards certainly towards chatting during races. It's just to show that we won't tolerate non-vital chat during races.

And yeah I think that if I get pole position and Jack is second he has a great chance of winning as I would have to overtake a whole 3-4 cars to get to him which MIGHT slow me down. Jack its ur time to shine xD

Thanks. If I don't win this round, it's because I've rolled it. For some reason, this combo suits my driving style perfectly. :shrug:

I'm really confident about quali, not so sure about the race.

As much as I want to defeat mistatea in the championship, I think he should just receive a warning.

See above

Do u take T1/the chicane in FE Green full speed? O_O

I was tryin to take it as fast as possible right now and I made it almost full speed but not quite. Fliped about 15/20 times lol.

I took it flat out once, with warmed up tyres. What you should do, is dab the brakes, throw it in (maybe downshift) and get on the power as early as possible on the exit.

whaat time you think is good in FE? i mean how fast i should do the track to win:) 1:20 enough?
Current order that I've seen:
Me and JO53PHS: low 1.20s
Dougie and EveningStar: mid to high 1.20s

That'll be quali pace. Pole will be sub 1.20.
Fastest lap in race will be mid to lowish 1.20s.

Am i banned from events ? :really::really::really:

You are from Round 3.

EveningStar

13th February 2008, 10:18

Quote:
Originally Posted by kABLiuks http://www.lfsforum.net/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=706919#post706919)
whaat time you think is good in FE? i mean how fast i should do the track to win:) 1:20 enough?

Current order that I've seen:
Me and JO53PHS: low 1.20s
Dougie and EveningStar: mid to high 1.20s

That'll be quali pace. Pole will be sub 1.20.
Fastest lap in race will be mid to lowish 1.20s.

I have worked on a set for the xf-jr last night which made a laptime of 1:19.94, but i'm sure there 3-4 tenths more to get ;) replay is attached, its the 5th lap... The chicane after start/finish is pretty hard to drive and i would recommend taking it only flat-out in qualy.

Today i will work on a set for the uf-br, but i think its not as fast as the xf-jr but maybe it will handle the tyrewear better.

kABLiuks

13th February 2008, 11:28

will in first chicane be any obsacles? or it will be default layout for all track?

J@tko

13th February 2008, 11:34

will in first chicane be any obsacles? or it will be default layout for all track?

It'll be the default layout for that chicane, although there are bales stopping you from cutting the corner after that. See [DR] Server 1.

moskvich3v1

13th February 2008, 18:56

am i banned?

EveningStar

13th February 2008, 19:47

am i banned?

look 4 posts above, jatko already answered your question.:nod:

moskvich3v1

13th February 2008, 20:05

Why i am banned :really:

dekojester

13th February 2008, 20:15

Why i am banned :really:

Please see this post which cites the reasons for your 1-round suspension.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=704706#post704706

dekojester

13th February 2008, 20:18

Free Practice Schedule for this round !

Free Practice 1: Saturday, 16 February from 19:00-20:00 GMT

FP 2: Saturday, 16 February from 23:00-24:00 GMT

FP3: Sunday, 17 February from 03:00-04:00 GMT

FP 4: Sunday, 17 February from 16:30 - 17:30 GMT

EveningStar will be on hand to help coach you with your driving, and help with setups.

All series rules will be enforced.

d

J@tko

16th February 2008, 15:13

All drivers must have their (proper) name as their numberplate.

Please, as much of your name as you can fit.

E.g if your name is Sun Ji, put all your name on
If your name is John Smith, put J. Smith
If your name is quite long, like mine, just put your surname.

evilpimp

16th February 2008, 15:20

Umm my names really long but my initials are TEA lol can I just keep that?

J@tko

16th February 2008, 15:23

Umm my names really long but my initials are TEA lol can I just keep that?

P.S, can I have ur real name for the video?

Cheers.

And your surname can't be longer than Atkinson, can it?

JO53PHS

16th February 2008, 15:38

P.S, can I have ur real name for the video?

Cheers.

And your surname can't be longer than Atkinson, can it?

You seem to be forgeting Apu Nahasapeemapetilon :)

J@tko

16th February 2008, 15:42

You seem to be forgeting Apu Nahasapeemapetilon :)

If that's his name, then he can put Apu on his numberplate.

TG44

16th February 2008, 18:47

dougie-lampkin

16th February 2008, 19:25

1/7 chance for me to flip in the first chicane.

The only way you could flip in T1 is by going flat out...just ease off a bit and you'll be fine!

1/10 chance to flip in the chicane after the uphill

I really don't see how you can flip there, just drive straight through the middle of the kerbs, you don't need to even touch them.

1/5 chance to NOT flip in the turn after the downhill... (you can't even touch the kerb on that one)

I found that at first, but if you just turn in later, you can make it. There's a large run-off area at the exit, so you should be able to still go flat-out. If you still can't ease off a bit.

I find myself flipping when doing quali laps, but once I'm in the race, I'll calm down a bit and take the corners handier. And then watch everyone flip around me!!!

EveningStar

16th February 2008, 20:20

I think i'm dropping out of this one... i've played for 30mins now and i havent finished one single flying lap... so never two laps in a row.

1/7 chance for me to flip in the first chicane.
1/10 chance to flip in the chicane after the uphill
1/5 chance to NOT flip in the turn after the downhill... (you can't even touch the kerb on that one)

and now... i'm more pissed than in the last race when i span...

dont give up! look a few post above, i have posted a replay of me driving this combo. take a close look and watch my line!
For the second and third problem there is a easy solution, there just no need to touch the curbs... there must be something wrong with ur line.
For the chicane problem, well there are two solutions:
First watch my line i drive, full contact on the curbs to the left and as less contact as possible to the following curbs to the right and with a little luck your trough flat out. but this will flip u a lot.
Second and the safe solution let off the throttle a bit and take the same line as above just without hitting the curbs to left.
And finally as we have seen today the chance of getting flipped in the chicane is for everyone the same when going flat out. So everyone will hopefully try to get trough safe(slower) there in the race.
So if you can drive a steady pace of lets say 1:21-1:22 youre fast enough to fight for the top five.

TG44

16th February 2008, 20:31

Thanks for cheering me up guys :tilt:

i'll think about this...

evilpimp

17th February 2008, 01:10

Thanks for cheering me up guys :tilt:

i'll think about this...

I hope ull be there man :)

Just show up n race if you roll well thats how it is. Most of us roll during practice.. And probably will roll and get pissed and smash our wheels during the race.

I just hope I wont :P but I was practicing earlier and I managed to survive.

Im sure u can make it man.

Either ways if you finish the race and make it like in the top 10 you get quite a bit of points. So just try man :) I'm sure ull do well.

TG44

17th February 2008, 01:28

Yea well I'm not going to win this anyway. So it's useless to make this into a headache. I'll complete the series just for fun no matter how i finish if i finish :thumb:

dougie-lampkin

17th February 2008, 01:42

And probably will roll and get pissed and smash our wheels during the race.

That's the part I'm dreading...when I roll out and end up breaking my G25 I got a few months ago...It already has finger-shaped grooves in it (not the standard ones) from the first race at R2...

evilpimp

17th February 2008, 02:00

Lol I almost hit mine once but then last second I stoped.

Phew..

I have a feeling that this race is gunna have just as much problems as R2 but not the same kind. Mostly everyone rolling lol.

What happens if everyone rolls one by one and the race never finishes. Does Red Flag go ?

dougie-lampkin

17th February 2008, 02:02

Then I presume we wait on the track until Scawen properly codes wind, so that we can make 800mph winds that'll blow along the rolled cars :shrug:

dekojester

17th February 2008, 02:34

If everyone bins it, the race will be declared when the last person bins it.

So the later you crash, the better you finish.

If everyone bins it, then I'm gonna cry.

d

dougie-lampkin

17th February 2008, 02:44

/me chips in to buy Deko a pair of tear-proof googles...

I don't think EVERYONE will roll, but I'm gonna guess that at least 1/4 of the field will...Especially those in the leaders pack, with cars going door to door through the chicanes :D

evilpimp

17th February 2008, 03:33

LOL

bleh anyways new league record I think. I just got it its 1:19.28. Lemme know if someone beat it :D

Btw rob come to server FP3 is right now heh

*Edit* Just got 1:19.29 at FP3. Just 0.01 away from my previous record :)

Marlbro

17th February 2008, 04:34

1:19.30 is my best so far...gonna change that...

Marlbro

17th February 2008, 14:07

Now all we have to do is keep them on their boots for 14 laps...:smileypul

kABLiuks

17th February 2008, 14:18

i will LOL much if those who are so confident and geting faster and faster will roll in first chicane during the race because they wanted to be faster than sound

dougie-lampkin

17th February 2008, 14:26

ahaha lol it's bound to happen! You can't do 14 laps straight of 1.19's without rolling...that's just impossible...

kABLiuks

17th February 2008, 14:44

anyways this track i a bit ridiculus due to T1, wich in real world race woul not be so stupidly to "fly" over, coz now its all about how fast and straight you can cut it while flying/bumping/sliding and etc. it just would damage your car and rubber in real life... but well.....the heads of BC did not thought about putting some extra cones or tyres,just to make it more fair...