Round 5 Blackwood GP

[Scoop]

1st qual sesion: 2 march 21:00 CET
2nd qual sesion: 7 march 21:00 CET
Race time: 9 march 16:00 CET
Server is going to be: LFS-GT
Pw: lfsgt

Post:
car number - Team - car
Driver real name - lfsw name - nationality

Also regarding the balance weight for this race the FZR will get a 15kg balance weight.

GT1
1 #8 - Finnish Automobile Club - XRR - 1:06:64
2 #74 - n1Racing - FZR - 1:07:09
3 #3 - Team Inferno - FZR - 1:07:33
4 #58 - LFSLA - XRR - 1:07:45
5 #33 - Total Power Sliders - FXR - 1:07:92
6 #7 - eXcite-Racing.de - FZR - 1:08:53
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14

GT2
1 #3 - Team Inferno - XFR - 1:15:08
2 #59 - LFSLA - XFR - 1:15:23
3 #99 - AutoMotoTrke.net - XFR - 1:15:45
4 #72 - c4Racing - XFR - 1:16:24
5 #75 - n1Racing - UFR -
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[Michael Leisterer]

eXcite-Racing.de #7 FZR

N.Heiden (Mr.Sing) Ger
M.Leisterer (Michael Leisterer) Ger
M.Mund (Be2k) Ger

[-JaviF-]

LFSLA #59 GT2 (XFR)

Parincho!, Maximiliano Oscar Miraglia , Argentina
-javif-, Javier Fiorotto, Argentina


:thumb:

[baSh0r]

Yo scoop, is it possible to announce a GT2 Team just for this race?

[Scoop]

Considering how full the grid is, yea sure :shrug:

[baSh0r]

#03 - Team Inferno

- Driver Signup -

GT1 - FZR:

- J. Dombrowski (Commander) -- Germany
- M. Krönke (dpalonso) -- Germany
- B. Miklos (mikef1) -- Hungary

GT2 - UFR:

- M. Golombeck (bash0r) -- Germany
- H. Csaba (e2mustang) -- Hungary

[baSh0r]

questioN: should we use 03 - Name aswell as the gt1 cars or can we use 04 instead?

[Scoop]

I personaly don't have a problem with it but it would be best to have a different nr for the GT2 car.

@ Rest of the teams: Aren't you guys going to announce if you're going to race or not, grid is extremly empty :shrug:

[Miki D]

#99 - GT2/XFR - AMT - AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team

[Serbia] Milan Zarić (DJeranFOS)
[Serbia] Miodrag Denić (Miki D)
[Serbia] Saša Stojanović (Zuble)

[baSh0r]

the wave of applying will swap over :) ok so we take 03 too, i forgot the color differences anyway ^^

[J.s.S]

n1Racing will be there. I'll post the driver line up later.

[Profi]

FAC will race, the lineup just isn't decided yet

[Kirill.D]

Scoop, maybe you should do little PM spam before the round, to remind registrants that race is coming. It would be really dissapointing if only 10 cars would show up on track.

Ontopic : c4Racing will show up. Drivers list is not ready yet.

[Profi]

Scoop, maybe you should do little PM spam before the round, to remind registrants that race is coming. It would be really dissapointing if only 10 cars would show up on track.

I think that a team needs a certain amount of commitment to enter a league like this. I'd really expect every serious team to remember and participate the races...

Anyway:

FAC - Finnish Automobile Club - #8

P. Lehto - plehto - FIN
A. Tuokko - Profi - FIN

[Scoop]

I think that a team needs a certain amount of commitment to enter a league like this. I'd really expect every serious team to remember and participate the races...


My thoughts exactly, the race dates have been set a long time ago, and this thread has been here for some time, i expect a team member to check the forum every few days to check for updates. I shouldn't be put in the situation to remind people. :shrug:

[Kirill.D]

#72 - c4Racing - XFR

Main Drivers

1) R.Ziugand - [okijuhans] - Estonia
2) A.Käär - [antskaar] - Estonia
3) K.Dremljuga - [Kirill.D] - Estonia

Reserv Driver

1) R.Laur [kloun] - Estonia

List may change (swap me and R.Laur.

[J.s.S]

#74 - n1Racing - FZR

J. Silvo - J.s.S - FIN
M. Mentula - Mntl - FIN


#75 - n1Racing - UFR

T. Lepola - seme - FIN
H. Salmén - Stilo- - FIN

J. Toikka - Psilok - FIN possibly in gt1 or gt2, will be decided later.

[Big.H]

33 - TPS

M.Hoffmann (lfsw: "T-o-D Zoom")
H.Thelen (lfsw: "Big.H")
P.Dreisbach (lfsw: "paXton")

[Kirill.D]

Sorry, i changed to right number, i was tired and automatically wrote #18, the right number of c4Racing in LFS GT is 72 :D. Sorry.

[plehto]

I wonder when the server is going to be announced, tomorrow?

[baSh0r]

i think its related to the moe server problems hm

scoop if there is a problem quote this and answer we can host a server

[plehto]

Scoop is nowhere to be found, so i think he 'forgot' once again.
Looks like we'll have to admin and set this up ourselves. I might be able to get mercury's server.

[baSh0r]

ok guys, we host it, check out i call the server lfsgt, wait i set is up correctly

edit: look for this one

LFS-GT
pw:lfsgt

i will do the admin

[plehto]

Remember the 15kg ballast for fzr :)

[baSh0r]

http://teaminferno.hu/squassell/lfsgt/LFSGTR5_Q1.jpg

Replay - Qualifign 1 (http://teaminferno.hu/squassell/lfsgt/LFS%20GT%20-%20Race%205%20-%20Qualifign.mpr)

Results:

GT1
1 Finnish Automobile Club (#08) - XRR (1.06.64)
2 LFSLA (#58) - XRR (1.07.45)
3 Team Inferno (#03) - FZR (1.07.47)
4 TPS Racing (#33) - FXR (1.07.92)

5 #7 - eXcite-Racing.de - FZR 5 #74 - n1Racing - FZR
___________________________________________

GT2
1 Team Inferno (#03) - UFR (1.15.08)
2 LFSLA (#59) - XFR (1.15.29)
3 AutoMotoTrke.net (#99) - XFR (1.16.53)
4 c4Racing (#72) - XFR (1.16.55)

5 n1Racing (#75) - UFR

c4Racing is number #72

__________________________________________________
no 100% chance of having everything right :D


Qualifign 2 will be on the same Server!

[Scoop]

Unfortunetly for plehto i did not forget about the qual, but it would have been nice to have internet to take part. My whole area was down :shrug:
I'll try to find out from the ISP if it was just this one ocasion, or if it's gona become a habit.

L.E. Thank you baSh0r for the big help and i would like to ask if we can use the server for the next quali and for the race as well, so we can get this out of the way.

[baSh0r]

No Problem, we can use it for this whole race, including the actual race. But after that the server is going to be ended, its just a present from a league :)

[J.s.S]

updated driver line up for n1Racing

#74 - n1Racing - FZR

J. Silvo - J.s.S - FIN
H. Salmén - Stilo- - FIN


#75 - n1Racing - UFR

T. Lepola - seme - FIN
J. Toikka - Psilok - FIN

[baSh0r]

i won't be there on Friday i assume but my mate mustang makes the admin, i upload screens right after qualifign :)

[Scoop]

Server is the same as for the first qual session and it's open.

[baSh0r]

Qualifign 2

[Scoop]

I will update to first post with the grid tomorrow afternoon/evening

[J.s.S]

Our gt2 driver had a connection issue and unluckily couldn't take part in the quali. They'll start at the back of the grid and take part in the race if that's ok.

[Scoop]

Of course it's ok, if he can get the connection fixed and be able to race normaly

[baSh0r]

scoop, admin pw working now, i configure the server for sunday, tomorrow, thanks

[Locovich]

#58 LFSLA
GT1 XRR

francoregattasc, F. Zegatti, Argentina
Diego fr, R. Diego, Argentina
locovich, R. Dario, Argentina

[baSh0r]

Hey guys, Server is running and you can have your training on it. Have Fun

[Viktorhun]

Hi! MUSTANG HAS NO NET,AND HE CAN'T RACE TODAY!!!

[baSh0r]

thank you very very much for that information, that saved my life :)

New lineup:

Teaminferno GT2 UFR:

M. Golombeck (bash0r)
R. Mooney (bawbag)

[Commander]

Scoop could you please take care of K. Dremljuga? He's driving as if he never drove before, caused hairy situations and almost crashes + position losses for our team and others, stopped counting after 5 occasions.....

[Bawbag]

Why is #59 driving around with the horn blasting? :shrug:

[Kirill.D]

Sorry for the situations i caused. Had serious problems with setup which is totally messed up + wheel started fooling.

I'm appologizyng in front on n1Racing for the collision i caused in S-curve before 2nd sector and also in front of other racers in some blue flag situations.

I'm totally responsible for this and i'm sorry.


Best Regards, Kirill.D.

[Big.H]

Sorry Scoop,

33 - TPS
M.Hoffmann (lfsw: "T-o-D Zoom") has I-net probs and cant drive :(

Hope its not a Prob, we are not sure at the Rules....

Race will be finished by
H.Thelen (lfsw: "Big.H")
P.Dreisbach (lfsw: "paXton")



33 - TPS

[baSh0r]

It should be no problem :)

[Scoop]

No probleme at all

[Scoop]

Race has ended, replay will be posted, i will run the replay later this week to get the standings

ETA on standings: 1 week

[baSh0r]

Schmecksi Screenshotsy and super schmecksy replaysi for recers

http://teaminferno.hu/racers/files/replays/LFSGT%20-%20Race%205%20-%20Race.mpr

[plehto]

thank you very very much for that information, that saved my life :)

New lineup:

Teaminferno GT2 UFR:

M. Golombeck (bash0r)
R. Mooney (bawbag)

Nothing personal to any of the individuals involved, but allowing this is quite absurd. I understand somebody might not be able to race, but it most certainly shouldn't be allowed to replace that person with a ringer from an other team.
Especially as the replacement is one of the fastest drivers around, considerably faster than any driver the team could've fielded from within their own ranks.

If this goes unpunished, we'll just have a bunch of moe drivers driving the last race. Therefore i think disqualifying GT2 car #03 is the right course of action.

Only the drivers signed up for the season should be allowed to race. Exceptions can be made if the team has members who joined after the sign-up.

[J.s.S]

+1

[Kirill.D]

Agree also, it's not fair to others.

[okijuhans]

I felt awe when he passed me. Yes quite fast and unbeatable at that race. It is team race and Bawbag is from Mercury (bunch of fast drivers). So I wait process of this case.

[baSh0r]

you know what, bawbag wasnt my first choice, i saw that i need another driver 15 minutes before the start of the race and i talked to about 15 people in icq, after all those people i saw bawbag coming on like 5 minutes before the start, bawbag had absolutely no training and didnt even got our setup. So i didnt want to make it look like "I drove with Bawbag and noone else stood a chance" This was an emergency Solution and it wasnt on purpose at all.

If you want to punish me, im fine, because we did a guest start and do not want to take away any points. Thanks

[Psilok]

I agree with plehto. We (n1Racing) had issues finding enough drivers in few races before and we had to do some compromises. In my opinion it's the teams weakness if they dont have enough drivers or haven't chosen an backup driver and I see this as an team race so it's obviously unfair for other teams.

[Commander]

I can understand what you think about it, but let me tell you that mustang in the practise session had also been driving at low 16s to mid 15s, a pace which was only slightly topped by bawbag.
What would you do if you get to know 15 minutes before the race starts that the 2nd driver cannot join due to Inet probs? Since there was no one from the team available in that short period Marius could either have driven alone (which would have been seen as unfair by you aswell I guess) or look for a substitute, which he did.
The gap between Inferno GT2 and the next car from the GT2 was like 2 laps behind ? so this wasn't a case of a close finish, even with Marius rolling over in the first laps making an additional pit and losing time.....

[Psilok]

I can understand what you think about it, but let me tell you that mustang in the practise session had also been driving at low 16s to mid 15s, a pace which was only slightly topped by bawbag.
What would you do if you get to know 15 minutes before the race starts that the 2nd driver cannot join due to Inet probs? Since there was no one from the team available in that short period Marius could either have driven alone (which would have been seen as unfair by you aswell I guess) or look for a substitute, which he did.
The gap between Inferno GT2 and the next car from the GT2 was like 2 laps behind ? so this wasn't a case of a close finish, even with Marius rolling over in the first laps making an additional pit and losing time.....

It's not about the speed it's about the princible. I would be against this even if the guy was slow as hell if he's not from the same team. If this is a team race then it is a team race not "who have the fastest friends"-race.

"Since there was no one from the team available in that short period Marius could either have driven alone (which would have been seen as unfair by you aswell I guess) or look for a substitute, which he did."
As I said I see that as a TEAM weakness. In my opinion it's your own fault if you haven't taken this possibility to concideration and chosen possible backup drivers.

And what goes for that "What would you do if you get to know 15 minutes before the race starts that the 2nd driver cannot join due to Inet probs?": We chose few guys before (though not much more than 15min before) the race to be as backups (from OUR team and with zero practice). If I were to disconnect just before the race and not be able reconnect one of the backups would have driven.

[Bawbag]

Well considering Marius was allready over a lap ahead of P2 after being 1 lap down at the beginning of the race, it's not as if me driving had any effect on what the results would have been.

I did him a favour, I got home today just before the start of the race when I had some desperate messages from him so I decided to help.

The LFSGT has been running for quite some time and in the past I used to drive for ITEK in the GT1 car and the GT2 where people had no problems with me racing for a team that i'm not in.

For the MoE 24 hour race we (Mercury) had two extra drivers from two differnt teams in our lineup, IIRC Plehto was one of them and seemed to have no problem helping us with our weakness back then. :really:

Looking at the amount of teams entered today i'm sure you guys would much rather another team not racing to have an even smaller gird than have someone driving for a differnt team.

[Psilok]

I'm not blaming Bawbag in anyway and I doubt anyone is... I just think it should be considered if this matter needed to be included in to the rules in someway. The case that quest driver probably didn't affect the outcome this time is totally irrelevant.

I don't think moe and lfs gt can be compared. Firstly the moe races are way longer than lfs gt races and there is even that 24h event and I do understand that it maybe hard to find enough drivers for those events even from a "good" team. However it should't be that hard to get 2-4 drivers for 3 hours of lfs gt... Secondly in moe it isn't a big problem because almost all of the good drivers is already racing in moe... I can't see someone from Cyber driving for Mercury racing.

The bottom line is that if this IS allowed then it would be pretty unfair if there were a team using few moe "aliens" only and had zero drivers from the team itself also even ONE good driver form another team in the top 3 (GT1) teams could change the outcome of this whole season...

[-JaviF-]

Why is #59 driving around with the horn blasting? :shrug:

what?. :shrug:

[Bawbag]

I can't see someone from Cyber driving for Mercury racing.




Norbi drove for cyber in the 24 hour race and AFAIK he is still part of Thunder racing. Two drivers from Inifinity racing also raced for Cyber in the 24 hour race but I think they are no actually part of cyber.

This is just 1 team as an example, i'm sure there are many more.

Javif, I'm sure it was Parincho or something (Your second driver) who was driving around with the horn constanty blasting. :/

[plehto]

Bawbag, i dont think we can compare the two leagues directly as they are run by different people and a different set of rules.

[Dragonmen]

Official statement by AutoMotoTrke.net Sim Racing Team:

Our team considered this league as a league where the team effort is what is counted. That is the case with all endurance leagues. That is for what standings are made - for teams.

We believe that taking drivers from other teams just to race one-time-only race, and as a very late substitute, is not in the spirit of this league and is not team effort.

Yes, maybe Inferno would be first no matter which team member drove for them, but we will not know that now...

This is just our feeling about this situation, we will not ask or force some punishment to be made, we are here to race, we just wanted to express how we feel. It's up to management of the league to decide what to do and what does it want this league to represent.

[Bawbag]

When LFSGT was started (I know things have changed a bit now) but it was a feeder league for the MoE, this is why they were both similar formats and still are. (With the exception of the FWD GTRS being used in LFSGT)

I can't see why the both leagues can't be compared toghether, especcially since they are so similar and the LFS GT's forum is part of the MoE's. :/

Anyhow, I found some posts deeper in this forum, here's just one answering your questions.

[Parincho!]

Why is #59 driving around with the horn blasting?

Not hear anything during the race. But in the replay, I could hear it, and it is unbearable.
i dont know what Happened.
i apologize to anyone who has been disturbed for my problem. if anyone knows why it happens and how to solve if it happens to me again, i'll
be thankfull

sorry again:shrug:

[Bawbag]

When you guys changed drivers, was the driver coming out using the horn at all?

I noticed in the MoE if I have my lights on during the driver changeover the lights stay on for the next driver, apart from that I can't see how it would happen. :shrug:

[Parincho!]

se trabo porque cuando aprete la T, no se porque motivo en la pc que estaba la el boton del mouse es al bocina...asi que te fuiste con la bocina andando!!!! ...jajjajja
______
Locked press is because when the T, there is no reason in the computer because it was the mouse button is the horn ... so you left with the horn walk! ... Jajjajja

:shrug:

[Commander]

However it should't be that hard to get 2-4 drivers for 3 hours of lfs gt...

Just to reply to this, we had exactly 4! racers available this weekend which were spread to GT1 and GT2 because we wanted to give Mustang the chance to get experience in the league and he was not able to practice with the FZR in time.
For example, I was an "emergency" solution aswell since I don't like that combo at all. But the way we did it all 4 racers could join in.
And we didn't really expect problems in that dimension since this never happened before.

As stated before I'd say it is better to have 1 more car on the track than being fussy about this specific driver change. And as far as I can see it Inferno GT2 did not crash or block anyone so the outcome did not affect GT2 or GT1 class at all.
There are other teams which I would like to see dismissed or at least watched carefully (GT1)

[-JaviF-]

Lo hago corto y que lo traduzaca el google. (o parincho!)

Me gusto mucho que corriese Bawbag.....lamentablemente tubimos inconvenientes tecnicos y rompimos el auto, de no ser asi, seguramente nos hubiesemos divertido :thumb:, que al fin y al cabo para eso corremos, para divertinos.!!!!



un abrazos!

[Parincho!]

en fin..

we liked racing with Bawbag!


:thumb:

[Scoop]

Ok, i really hate to have to discuss the same thing once every 3-4 races.

1 - It's a team race in the way that the 2-3 driver driving make up the team, based on this 3 drivers from 3 dif teams can come together and form a team to race, i really don't care, what i car is that i have able drivers on the track and a high number of cars.
2 - LFS GT still is a suport series for the MoE, the rules are not 100% identical but if u look closely 80% are, the thing is i try to run it a bit more relaxed.
3 - I will not take any form of action against Inferno for doing something i have been allowing for the past 3 years of running this league.

[traxxion]

Me gusto mucho que corriese Bawbang....
:chairfall

[-JaviF-]

:chairfall

ups :D

[Kirill.D]

And... when will there be any results ?

[Neokiller]

Norbi drove for cyber in the 24 hour race and AFAIK he is still part of Thunder racing. Two drivers from Inifinity racing also raced for Cyber in the 24 hour race but I think they are no actually part of cyber.

This is just 1 team as an example, i'm sure there are many more.

Javif, I'm sure it was Parincho or something (Your second driver) who was driving around with the horn constanty blasting. :/

mooney boy, both infinity drivers joined cyber 3 weeks before the race but your right about norbi... but you still are a little nub to me, you shouldn’t be allowed to drive in any league :nod:

[Bawbag]

Hey hey, just realised that my post had a typo in it, I meant they are 'now' part of cyber. :thumb: :D

I didn't know when they joined but I knew Norbi hadn't anyway, so it was a nais example. ;)

[baSh0r]

your schmouch anyway

[Scoop]

Gentlemen and lady's the results are up and the standings have been updated. :tilt:

Results: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=32475

Standings: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9282